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The record-keeping section in the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) encourages members to "maintain records of conventional arms covered under Article 2," which include battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, warships and small arms and light weapons.

Further, those records should be kept for a minimum of 10 years, the treaty states -- which NRA leader Wayne LaPierre has referred to as "nothing more than gun registration by a different name."

Because the treaty's language is so broad, LaPierre has said that "manufacturers of civilian shotguns would have to comply with the same regulatory process as a manufacturer of military attack helicopters."
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This is the real fear.
I don't put much stock into the UN just waltzing in and confiscating guns. This stuff never works like that.

Everything is incremental.. The old boiling a frog analogy.

Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".
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This is the real fear.
I don't put much stock into the UN just waltzing in and confiscating guns. This stuff never works like that.

Everything is incremental.. The old boiling a frog analogy.

Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Yep...the Devil is in the details!
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The only thing this does is takes the legal gun sales and shifts them to black market.
The gun makers will fight this tooth and nail... and lose, no doubt.
This introduces exponentially more violence into our society.
That can't be the plan?

These fuckers are truly evil
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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
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HIGH TREASON-John Kerry Signs Arms Treaty Today 9-25-13


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Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".

 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

Yeah, with this bunch of lying sacks, it's always "for the children"... And unfortunately, playing this line has gotten them quite a ways.

We need to shut this bullshit down, entirely; pull the weed out by the root, damn it. And I don't want to leave that job for my kids...
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The treaty says that all the provisions of the last treaty would be included in this one. We wouldn't ratify that one because it is unconstitutional, so why would we approve this one? King Barry and his butt buddy Kerry don't want this one anyway. They can't resist any gun control plan, but this one is aimed at them. I don't see them ever stopping the gun trade with the terrorists of the middle east.
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I ain't registering nothin'!

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The treaty says that all the provisions of the last treaty would be included in this one. We wouldn't ratify that one because it is unconstitutional, so why would we approve this one? King Barry and his butt buddy Kerry don't want this one anyway. They can't resist any gun control plan, but this one is aimed at them. I don't see them ever stopping the gun trade with the terrorists of the middle east.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy



You may be correct, but there seems to be an underlining aspect that Obama can't get around. He wants this treaty so bad he can taste it, but he knows it will mean the end of his gun running to Al Qaida and the Mexican Cartels since both have been labelled as terrorist or criminal suspects and therefore it become illegal to trade, give, or sell guns to them.

This all becomes moot anyway because the treaty can not be accepted. First the Senate must accept it. Then in order to rewrite the Constitution, it must be passed by the House which it would never do, then it must be passed by a minimum of thirty four states before it can be considered. Since it is very unlikely that it can even get passed the Senate, it is basically dead upon arrival.

Since it is a treaty, it is not something that the President can just issue another Executive Order and place the American people under it's control.
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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46334479


1911 for 350? bullshit, unless it's a cheapass knockoff.

p226 for 350? bullshit.

cz75 for 350? sounds legit.

m14 for 450? bullshit, maybe a heavily used mini 14.

m4 for 700? you mean ar15.

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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46334479


In N TX the CZ75 goes for $600 now. They were $400 before obongo. Great pistol BTW and a personal fav.
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This is the real fear.
I don't put much stock into the UN just waltzing in and confiscating guns. This stuff never works like that.

Everything is incremental.. The old boiling a frog analogy.

Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


The visit would end abruptly...
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The treaty says that all the provisions of the last treaty would be included in this one. We wouldn't ratify that one because it is unconstitutional, so why would we approve this one? King Barry and his butt buddy Kerry don't want this one anyway. They can't resist any gun control plan, but this one is aimed at them. I don't see them ever stopping the gun trade with the terrorists of the middle east.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy



You may be correct, but there seems to be an underlining aspect that Obama can't get around. He wants this treaty so bad he can taste it, but he knows it will mean the end of his gun running to Al Qaida and the Mexican Cartels since both have been labelled as terrorist or criminal suspects and therefore it become illegal to trade, give, or sell guns to them.

This all becomes moot anyway because the treaty can not be accepted. First the Senate must accept it. Then in order to rewrite the Constitution, it must be passed by the House which it would never do, then it must be passed by a minimum of thirty four states before it can be considered. Since it is very unlikely that it can even get passed the Senate, it is basically dead upon arrival.

Since it is a treaty, it is not something that the President can just issue another Executive Order and place the American people under it's control.
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Barry had already made it "legal" for him to send arms to AQ:

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This is the real fear.
I don't put much stock into the UN just waltzing in and confiscating guns. This stuff never works like that.

Everything is incremental.. The old boiling a frog analogy.

Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Agreed...however I am skeptical of the frog analogy. Last evening while me and the family were around a large campfire, and tree frog leaped in front of me several times then, with pure grace and whispering, "Viva La France," jumped right in.

Yeah...I know it has absolutely nothing to do with your post directly...it just stunned me about the frog and your comment reminded me of it. tounge

Yes...registry, because it is all for the CHILDREN!
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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46334479


1911 for 350? bullshit, unless it's a cheapass knockoff.

p226 for 350? bullshit.

cz75 for 350? sounds legit.

m14 for 450? bullshit, maybe a heavily used mini 14.

m4 for 700? you mean ar15.
 Quoting: gheylos


Price list from my dealer
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This is the real fear.
I don't put much stock into the UN just waltzing in and confiscating guns. This stuff never works like that.

Everything is incremental.. The old boiling a frog analogy.

Registration is the first step and then opens the door to all kinds of privacy horrors.

Have kids? Own a gun?
If it's registered you can bet on a visit to ensure "Safety".
 Quoting: RelentlessDespot


Agreed...however I am skeptical of the frog analogy. Last evening while me and the family were around a large campfire, and tree frog leaped in front of me several times then, with pure grace and whispering, "Viva La France," jumped right in.

Yeah...I know it has absolutely nothing to do with your post directly...it just stunned me about the frog and your comment reminded me of it. tounge

Yes...registry, because it is all for the CHILDREN!
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What children? Most regular folks aren't having them anymore. Only the illegal aliens and welfare crowd seem to have uncontrolled pregnancies and births.
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How does the price of these compare to US Prices?

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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46334479


1911 for 350? bullshit, unless it's a cheapass knockoff.

p226 for 350? bullshit.

cz75 for 350? sounds legit.

m14 for 450? bullshit, maybe a heavily used mini 14.

m4 for 700? you mean ar15.
 Quoting: gheylos


Price list from my dealer
[link to www.thegundealer.net]

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Picture at the link brought a tear to my eye. That's more inventory than my Cabela's, Bass Pro, Ganders and 5 local gun shops COMBINED!
Truly a thing of beauty!!!
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The record-keeping section in the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) encourages members to "maintain records of conventional arms covered under Article 2," which include battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, warships and small arms and light weapons.

Further, those records should be kept for a minimum of 10 years, the treaty states -- which NRA leader Wayne LaPierre has referred to as "nothing more than gun registration by a different name."

Because the treaty's language is so broad, LaPierre has said that "manufacturers of civilian shotguns would have to comply with the same regulatory process as a manufacturer of military attack helicopters."
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HUH? congress made no concession of our 2nd Amendment to the UN....remember the sodomite muslim in our oval office is a FRAUD...he can't sign away ANYTHING IN MY COUNTRY...HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT...ANYTHING HE SIGNS...IS TOLEIT PAPER...VOID, TRASH....UNENFORCEABLE! :)
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Just look at Canada... they registered all the guns (yeah right) and then confiscated many and demonized private firearms ownership and then here we are today... Everyone got so pissed off that Harper can't sign the treaty without throwing his next election out the window.

I'm glad he didn't sign or else there would be no cheap Norinco firearms flooding the market keeping the domestically produced firearms prices in check.

1911 - $350
P226/9 - $350
CZ75 - $350
M14 - $450
M4 - $700
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46334479


1911 for 350? bullshit, unless it's a cheapass knockoff.

p226 for 350? bullshit.

cz75 for 350? sounds legit.

m14 for 450? bullshit, maybe a heavily used mini 14.

m4 for 700? you mean ar15.
 Quoting: gheylos


Price list from my dealer
[link to www.thegundealer.net]

 Quoting: Bear Drinker

Picture at the link brought a tear to my eye. That's more inventory than my Cabela's, Bass Pro, Ganders and 5 local gun shops COMBINED!
Truly a thing of beauty!!!
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Someone tried to bitch slap me yesterday that Canada does not have these kinds of guns for sale. I couldn't have been bothered trying to de-moranize him.

The only bad thing about it is that the RCMP station is across the street.
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I bought this for $100 LESS last year:

CZ 75 P07 DUTY DOUBLE ACTION HANDGUN, BLACK POLYMER FRAME WITH RAIL, STEEL TOP SLIDE WITH WHITE BLOCK SIGHTS, OVER SIZED TRIGGER GUARD, DETACHABLE MAGAZINE (2), CZ HARD CASE. 9MM $649.99
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I bought this for $100 LESS last year:

CZ 75 P07 DUTY DOUBLE ACTION HANDGUN, BLACK POLYMER FRAME WITH RAIL, STEEL TOP SLIDE WITH WHITE BLOCK SIGHTS, OVER SIZED TRIGGER GUARD, DETACHABLE MAGAZINE (2), CZ HARD CASE. 9MM $649.99
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Before of after the Obama-caused buying frenzy?
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I bought this for $100 LESS last year:

CZ 75 P07 DUTY DOUBLE ACTION HANDGUN, BLACK POLYMER FRAME WITH RAIL, STEEL TOP SLIDE WITH WHITE BLOCK SIGHTS, OVER SIZED TRIGGER GUARD, DETACHABLE MAGAZINE (2), CZ HARD CASE. 9MM $649.99
 Quoting: Hard Eight


Before of after the Obama-caused buying frenzy?
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Before. May before the Nov. tragedy.
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I think to celebrate Kerry's signing that piece of NWO garbage, I'll go to the gun show tomorrow and buy another gun and some ammo. I need to diversify a bit. Maybe a nice mini-14. And some ammo for my dads M-1 carbine. And maybe a nice after market stock for my pre-norinco SKS.
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you need to campaign to get that sack of shit UN out of your country.

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