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What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?

 
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
what if time since the big bang is less than a millisecond the other side of the singularity that was the big bang?

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What if "what if"s were "Who knew"s?
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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Bullshit.

I'm not saying you're wrong but you definitely don't know.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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Bullshit.

I'm not saying you're wrong but you definitely don't know.
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No its logical that you cant go from one place to another place without the passage of time.


So the Spatial Dimensions cant be first.
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In a Universe without Time, there would be no Movement.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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Bullshit.

I'm not saying you're wrong but you definitely don't know.
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No its logical that you cant go from one place to another place without the passage of time.


So the Spatial Dimensions cant be first.
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Oh, it's logical? So, you've tried this? In the emptiness of space? Before the BB?

Because if you haven't, then your "logic" is only "theory". Time can change, you know. Earth logic isn't the same as "before reality" logic.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
that is not possible, if there is empty/filled 'space', it exists. and anything exists at a particular time, particular period.

even just empty space, just imagine, you can definitely say it as that first space existed xxx billion years ago, theres no way you cannot say that.

for only thing that you cannot give a reference to time is 'nothing' that is the 'nothingness' before space existed.

if there is 'nothing' how can it exist at some period? you cannot describe 'nothing' as "nothing came to existence xxx billion years ago'

that is not true, since nothing is really nothing.

for example, how can you say something happened 10 minutes ago, when nothing happened?
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
what if time since the big bang is less than a millisecond the other side of the singularity that was the big bang?

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that can be true if somehow our planet/solar system/galaxy/universe is 'moving'(anywhere) at the speed of light. Time STOPS when a mass travels at the speed of light. but it is not possible for a mass to travel at the speed of light, hence, our planet/solar system/galaxy/universe may be travelling at just below the speed of light, hence the time slowed down so much.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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a measure of space will always exist at some particular point of time, and as you said You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.

so space and time are glued together permanently, space has 3 dimensions and time has 1 so 4 dimensions always exist in physical world(quantum world has more dimensions)
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
that is not possible, if there is empty/filled 'space', it exists. and anything exists at a particular time, particular period.

even just empty space, just imagine, you can definitely say it as that first space existed xxx billion years ago, theres no way you cannot say that.

for only thing that you cannot give a reference to time is 'nothing' that is the 'nothingness' before space existed.

if there is 'nothing' how can it exist at some period? you cannot describe 'nothing' as "nothing came to existence xxx billion years ago'

that is not true, since nothing is really nothing.

for example, how can you say something happened 10 minutes ago, when nothing happened?
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It is certainly possible. Whether it's like that or not idk, but in terms of possibility, it's is possible.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
no it not. space and time came from nothing, 'nothing' became into matter and anti-matter.

matter is us, no one knows where all the anti-matter is, matter and anti-matter annihilate leaving only energy.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
it is possible only in the case when we assume that universe has always existed, and there was no big bang.

but then, the concept of matter and anti matter has to be ignored too.

ill explain more when i complete my physics major 2-3 years later 5a
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
no it not. space and time came from nothing, 'nothing' became into matter and anti-matter.

matter is us, no one knows where all the anti-matter is, matter and anti-matter annihilate leaving only energy.
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Haha I'm not saying it is factually like that. I'm just saying there's no way you can KNOW when all of your research has been done on earth in our current time.

How do you explain time going backwards for some people on psychedelic drugs. Sometimes time freezes. It's not like a "i think I just went back in time" it's a "5 minutes ago, it was 10 minutes in the future". It's an illusion made up from the brain and the mind. Time is not physical matter and earthly physics can not correctly explain time. There's so much we know and all physics can do is get us a little closer.

And it's "theoretical" physics. Not factual. You could be right but there's no way to KNOW if you are right therefore it is not fact but merely a theory.

Time could exist before space, before anything. Or time could not even exist at all. Our brains just interpret time a certain way that seems as though it is a linear, seemingly infinite concept when we just don't know.

You don't know. It's very possible the OP is correct. But we don't know for sure. Until then, it's all theories.
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time is simply how much information you can cram into a moment. the first moments were Billions of years in duration. As you approach the present MORE AND MORE complexity and information is being crammed into each moment until you reach EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN EVERY Moment. Time is not only speeding up but more information takes place in every moment NOW then ever did billions of years ago. Do you see how this process is Non stop acceleration into singularity ?
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time is simply how much information you can cram into a moment. the first moments were Billions of years in duration. As you approach the present MORE AND MORE complexity and information is being crammed into each moment until you reach EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN EVERY Moment. Time is not only speeding up but more information takes place in every moment NOW then ever did billions of years ago. Do you see how this process is Non stop acceleration into singularity ?
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Idk, we have to check with the pre-physics major guy. He knows for fact what time is. He can't prove it but it's fact.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
time is simply how much information you can cram into a moment. the first moments were Billions of years in duration. As you approach the present MORE AND MORE complexity and information is being crammed into each moment until you reach EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN EVERY Moment. Time is not only speeding up but more information takes place in every moment NOW then ever did billions of years ago. Do you see how this process is Non stop acceleration into singularity ?
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Idk, we have to check with the pre-physics major guy. He knows for fact what time is. He can't prove it but it's fact.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
Time has never not existed, regardless of matter's relation to it.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
time is simply how much information you can cram into a moment. the first moments were Billions of years in duration. As you approach the present MORE AND MORE complexity and information is being crammed into each moment until you reach EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN EVERY Moment. Time is not only speeding up but more information takes place in every moment NOW then ever did billions of years ago. Do you see how this process is Non stop acceleration into singularity ?
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Idk, we have to check with the pre-physics major guy. He knows for fact what time is. He can't prove it but it's fact.
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putin
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'twas sarcasm.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
Since science says that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, that it can only change form - my question is how did the big bang theory happen from a single point of energy to create the massive universe we know today ?

I have a theory that is way outside "the box" and not only is it plausible, it's downright creepy - but I have no intention of revealing it since I'm not a "scientist", but it could make a great novel ...
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
if there is no movement without time, how could anything be created without time?

therefore time did exist before the universe was created.
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Time IS space that exists in the form absolute kinetic.

Space IS time that exists in the form of absolute static.

We exist in the region where space (infinite expanse) is imploding down and inward from everywhere, towards everywhere, where it is coverting into pure time (as all the past "located" at the infinitely kinetic and infinitely diverse angular presentation, ONE Singularity that IS all the past)
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
You cant have motion through space without a measure of time.


So Time is the first Dimension.
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Bullshit.

I'm not saying you're wrong but you definitely don't know.
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No its logical that you cant go from one place to another place without the passage of time.


So the Spatial Dimensions cant be first.
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If all matter was condensed into one point then all motion between points would be instantaneous (as only one point exists). So technically no time would exist until the expansion of matter, and time would be defined by the space between matter as it expands.

I have no idea what I'm talking about however.
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Re: What if time existed BEFORE space after the universe got created?
Time - by itself - does not exist.
Man named "TIME" his understanding on the process of transformation.
Is a quality concept on the Universe man can observe.
Is "something" in the world of ideas, only.
That's why the transformation is non-linear, meaning the time does not pass constantly, as having ... let's say - same speed.
[link to io9.com]
In the fantasy world of idea you can play either way with anything.
To imagine that "is a possibility" shows you cannot distinguish between physical world (very little -in fact - explained and known) and fantasy = ideas world of concepts, principle, theories.
Is impossible based on the actual "written" knowledge (I mean Science) to relate and explain all can a man perceive.
However, is a common reality that we are (mistakenly) talking about time with a touchable, solid fantasy of the concept, false sense coming from false, atheist education and indoctrination.

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