MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed

I mean, perhaps. In the macroscopic world, a particle is a particle, without much wave behavior at all. Standing waves are wave phenomena, something that average particles hardly know.

Could it be an effect of the instrument you use to observe it?
That what you observe does not behave as your theory assummes?

I don't know if those are possibilities.

Could the silumation and conscious zooming (saving computing power) in hypothesis explain it? Brain in a vat in these real of existence?

exactly- no difference - which is why i made that example. Mater is matter is matter. And as i said i knew you would come back with the other senses argument. I was hoping you had more than that to offer me, haha.
How about this. A person with absolutely no senses whatsoever. Assuming one could function as such. Say this senselss person gets up and begins walking. Will they bump into things? Or does their universe cease to exist for them, allowing them to pass through solid objects.

Could it be an effect of the instrument you use to observe it?
That what you observe does not behave as your theory assummes?

I don't know if those are possibilities.

Could the silumation and conscious zooming (saving computing power) in hypothesis explain it? Brain in a vat in these real of existence?

No mention of the testing methods, or their possible effects on the observed results? Interesting.

No mention of the testing methods, or their possible effects on the observed results? Interesting.

Finally , someone who gets it.

Quantum theory says that atoms know when they are being watched by a conscious being, and they change their behavior when you watch them, then revert back to normal behavaior when your eyes are closed ITS COMPLICATED. WATCH WATCH WATCH the whole thing if you want to know the secrets of the universe:

yes.. you're pretty much wrong.. not even close.

You have a lot to learn. :)

Without a Conscious observer, all particles ONLY exist in an UNDETERMINED state of Probability.
Consciousness creates life, because without it, life cannot exist. The double slit experiment as well as other quantum physics experiments proves this. Quantum entanglement, shows us that time and space are not very relevant in the quantum world, when two particles on opposite sides of the galaxy can instantaneously communicate with one another and are tied together.
Bottom line is WE as conscious beings are central to this universe and the universe is dependent on us.. not the other way around as some mainstream scientists or atheists like to believe.

In the Picture below, your consciousness springs out of an eternal nothing..lives.. then back to that eternal nothing.. forever?
So it happened once.. who on this earth is to say it cannot happen over and over again .. infinitely.. in an infinite universe?
Can we really be so sure of a finite principle.. in an infinite universe?

Concsiousness cannot come from Nothingess.. it has to come from SOMETHING..
Hence it comes from more Concsiousness.
So consciousness is NOT created by the brain.. the brain is created by Concsiousness.
You can be AWARE that you exist..or UNaware that you exist..
But ..
Can you be AWare that you do NOT exist.. no
Can you be Unaware that you do NOT exist.. no
because both of these notions imply that there is something .. to be aware or unaware.
It's paradoxical. Cannot happen. Think.. An irresistable force meets an unmovable object.

You can have light without dark, good without evil, or full without empty..
You cannot have nothingness without somethingness.

Hence.. you will ALWAYS exist..because it's the only way to exist.
Essentially, if there is 100% nothing (no consciousness therefore no form) then it is impossible for some-thing to happen. What would there be to make it happen? That is eternal death. Therefore, such a no-thing has never existed because if it did, we wouldn't be here now. And conversely because we are here now, that in itself is proof that we have been alive infinitely backwards.
It's impossible for the brain to give rise to consciousness, because the brain can only exist if there is a witness. The brain (and all form) can only exist if it was created. Only "aliveness" can create. How can death (non-existence) create? Here, we have forms. We have our bodies, our brain, our minds, and the universe. Where did it come from? Did it come from non-existence? How can forms come out of something which doesn't exist? If non-existence is the case, then non-existence would be the case forever and we and all forms wouldn't be here, period. But because we are here, then that imples an aliveness, something which is intelligent and can create. There is no in between. There is either infinite non-existence, or there is infinite existence, and the later is obvously the truth because we are alive now. Because how can non-existence create form? How can non-existence create the multiverse? No matter how you cut it, the foundation of form can only be consciousness. Consciousness (life, intelligence) is the prerequisite for anything to exist.

Infinite life is STILL the case. Go look at the monty python quote above.

If at the deepest level it makes no sense, then the small parts will not fit.
I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing!

Death certainly cannot exist.
The universe is consciousness made manifest (existence)
therefore there cannot exist within it a state
of unconsciousness (nonexistence).
There might be a universe somewhere which is
made of unconsciousness, but of course it wouldn't
exist, because if it did, that would mean there was
something to be conscious of it existing which would
bring it into conscious existence...
Death cannot exist because death implies unconsciousness,
and unless consciousness is present, there is no existence.


What if an individual is born out of the "no-thingness" only once? Does this undermine the proposal??
NO.. you cant be born out of it only once otherwise you would have to logically conclude you were born out of nothing(once) which turns the atheist argument on its head. once you grasp it, it means you were never born and you never die because the middle section with the line is the only section that exists.

feel it out
Something must be eternal
If nothing is eternal then all is temporal
If all is temporal then all had a beginning
If all had a beginning then being(existence) came into being from non-being(nothingness)
Being from non-being(existence from nothingness) is absurd. It is logically impossible.
This is sufficient to prove that something must be eternal.

If the temporal exists then it logically must derive its existence from the eternal(logically prior)
Therefore the eternal created the temporal.
What is eternal is outside of time by definition, immaterial(as the qualities of matter cannot contain the qualities of the infinite, i.e. infinite size can not exist , etc) and created time and the temporal world.

Conclusion: God defined as an eternal creator spirit must exist..

Either you have infinite consciousness, or you have infinite no-consciousness. An in-between is impossible. And therefore because we are conscious HERE AND NOW, it is impossible to no longer be conscious. It was never born nor will it ever die. What would be it's threat? No-consciousness doesn't exist to threaten it. And if no-conscousness were possible, it would already be the case right now. This wouldn't be happening right now.
When we are born we come from "no place", and yet we exist. There is really no reason to expect that cant happen again.

Space and time are tools of our mind.. they are useful tools, but they do not actually exist.
You cannot put time in a bottle.
Analogies for time would be ... Perceiving the world as flat..
In an all encompassing universe.. time means very little. All may exist as once..and your concsiousness is like a surfer riding a wave.. the other waves in the ocean exist simultaneously, but the surfer is experiencing only one wave that he chooses to ride.
Like songs on a record.. wherever the needle is placed.. is what one will hear.. but the other songs are still there.
Double slit experiment fits in with this.
The idea that we are standing right on top of all of time is a silly idea.

The idea of no birth and no death, the idea of only present manifestation and the continuation of life, can be explained using Thich Nhat Hanh's analogy of a cloud. When one looks at a cloud he or she might respond, "It is there," or it is being. Later, after it has rained, one might see the cloud dissipate, and say "there is not a cloud", or it is nonbeing. Yet if one looks deeply he sees the cloud is still present. A cloud is simply condensed water vapor, and therefore it is impossible for it to die in essence. It can become rain, snow, or gas, or it simply changes in its state of matter. It is impossible for it to be nothing. This is why the something cannot become nothing. This is why the notion or assumption of death cannot be applied to reality.

Read more from a Harvard Neuroscientist, Robert Lanza who is pioneering new ideas on this subject..and challenging the mainstream views here:
[link to www.robertlanza.com]

I hate being so smart that I can't even explain it.

Actually he has most of it right or at least close, and you are a soft headed twit to have criticized so acerbically.

If they had no senses intact.. then NO.. they wouldn't bump into something in the room..because they wouldn't KNOW they even bumped into it without feeling, or hearing or seeing the bump.

Only if some other Conscious being in the room, observed them bumping into a table.. would it happen.

You're looking at this all wrong. Read up on biocentrism.

I agree with you, AC. You want proof. Put the cat in the box and leave it for a good long time. When you open it to find a maggoty corpse you will know that the cat wasnt both alove and dead the whole time, lol. It will have clearly died in the past, and science can measure the time of death and find out that it happened not when the cat was observed. Quantum physics wants me to believe that the "universe" not only is aware that we are opening the box, but will also decide to pick a random time in the past to pretend the cat died in order to show us decay.

its not that "nothing exists" without a conscious observer, its that "all potential paths exit within a cloud of probability" and once an observer comes, the atom is forced to choose one of those paths only, rather than be in two places at one time, etc.

its not that "nothing exists" without a conscious observer, its that "all potential paths exit within a cloud of probability" and once an observer comes, the atom is forced to choose one of those paths only, rather than be in two places at one time, etc.

So allow me to reiterate the previous question, if conscious beings create reality by observing it and without that happening nothing exists, then how did conscious being come to exist in the first place? Honest question, I'd like to see your perspective.

its not that "nothing exists" without a conscious observer, its that "all potential paths exit within a cloud of probability" and once an observer comes, the atom is forced to choose one of those paths only, rather than be in two places at one time, etc.