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There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!!

 
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And to be clear, the object in pics 3, 4 and 5 (WERE NEVER VISIBLE THROUGH MY CAMERA VIEWER).


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If by object, you mean what appears to be the planet/star in image 3 and the lens/filter flares in image 3 & 4, then that is not surprising.
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Ok, thanks...So how then does your cubicle buddy's "Finger Test" (not a game) apply to this thread or these pics?
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I don’t see any flares in image 3, so it is not relevant.

Images 3 & 4 are clearly lens/filter flares, so I wouldn’t even bother doing a “finger test” on those. When I worked at a photo studio, we often got assigned to shoot HS football games and swim meets. We would always set our shots with the sun at our backs because if we did not, we ended up getting a good amount of images with flaring just like your examples. I’ve processed more than my fair share of these.
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How about an apology to Boxer first. You called him a fraud due to your "lack of understanding". (I'm being nice)

You seem to just skip over all your mistakes as if nothing happened. Why is that?
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bump
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Still waiting for that apology.
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You gonna get the apology as soon as you answer this questions:

Did you drop those trees in? Or was it Default?

This is EXTREMELY relevant, but NO ANSWER, makes me suspicious. The poster's picture had REAL TREES, what about yours? Did you select "nightime trees" or NOT?

Your continued abstinence from answering this is speaking volumes.

By the way, thanks for the ban, it cost me $10 that I will take from your pride, integrity and creditability. Now what about those trees?
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE




No I didn't drop the tress in. That is just a generic ground image in Stellarium. You can pick other ground images (ocean view, etc.) but I like that one because it matches the view from my location better than the others.

Of course the poster had real trees in his pic....it's a real picture from his yard. Already answered that.

No I didn't select "nighttime trees". You don't seem to understand how Stellarium works. Why don't you download it and try it out for yourself.

What ban? I didn't ban you. I'm not the OP of the thread, nor am I a MOD. So how could I have banned you. LOL.



Still waiting for that apology....

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And to be clear, the object in pics 3, 4 and 5 (WERE NEVER VISIBLE THROUGH MY CAMERA VIEWER).


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If by object, you mean what appears to be the planet/star in image 3 and the lens/filter flares in image 3 & 4, then that is not surprising.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062


Ok, thanks...So how then does your cubicle buddy's "Finger Test" (not a game) apply to this thread or these pics?
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


I don’t see any flares in image 3, so it is not relevant.

Images 3 & 4 are clearly lens/filter flares, so I wouldn’t even bother doing a “finger test” on those. When I worked at a photo studio, we often got assigned to shoot HS football games and swim meets. We would always set our shots with the sun at our backs because if we did not, we ended up getting a good amount of images with flaring just like your examples. I’ve processed more than my fair share of these.
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That is insufficient, anecdotal BS, please refer to my posts of un-answered questions. With all due respect, if you don't have said pics from your Kinko's days, I don't care what you saw. I asked how can you PROVE it? Saying, "I saw something similar, is anecdotal/heresay at best, this is a PROOF society. Take some NEW ones or go call Bob, your old Kinkos boss. But thanks for sharing the tip "don't aim at the sun" unless you need to photograph something that is close to it. Hear from Boxer about how he "chose" evening trees? IJS.
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And to be clear, the object in pics 3, 4 and 5 (WERE NEVER VISIBLE THROUGH MY CAMERA VIEWER).


 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


If by object, you mean what appears to be the planet/star in image 3 and the lens/filter flares in image 3 & 4, then that is not surprising.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062


Ok, thanks...So how then does your cubicle buddy's "Finger Test" (not a game) apply to this thread or these pics?
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


I don’t see any flares in image 3, so it is not relevant.

Images 3 & 4 are clearly lens/filter flares, so I wouldn’t even bother doing a “finger test” on those. When I worked at a photo studio, we often got assigned to shoot HS football games and swim meets. We would always set our shots with the sun at our backs because if we did not, we ended up getting a good amount of images with flaring just like your examples. I’ve processed more than my fair share of these.
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I really enjoy this discussion but have been back and forth today at work so please excuse my ignorance. But if photo 4(going by my email) is lens flair then Erik is COMPLETELY lieing about this whole thing and sent emails to me and others and spending time here just screwing around with all of us...is that correct? Thanks.

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Items in Question:

Picture 1--We agree it is an illustration (even though Sethy could only say "it appears to be an illustration"). Don't know about you all, but to me that suggests it could be an actual photography.

Does ANYONE agree with Sethy on this bullshit? If so, state your Name.

Picture 2--We agree, NOTHING but clear blue skies. No planes, contrails, chemtrails, lens flare, clouds, nothing (hint, hint this is OBVIOUSLY not the SW sky)

Picture 3--Waiting on "their" answer

Picture 4--We disagree. At least 5 - 10 said "lens flare" b/c of the wire, but actually the wire had nothing to do with it b/c there is some other UN-STATED proof in picture 3 that not 1, but 2 objects are flare or flare-related. What proof you ask, Astro said so and posted a finger test video. Astro has NOT responded to the black thread/sun simulation which is FAR more analogous and easier to produce than responding to my messages. He said the finger was a test, but the thread was a "game". Good thing he gets to play Dick Webster, right?

And to be clear, the object in pics 3, 4 and 5 (WERE NEVER VISIBLE THROUGH MY CAMERA VIEWER).

Picture 5--We disagree. At least 2 people said "lens flare"/"filter flare". There proof/evidence = they said so. Supporting evidence: Shill logic if there is a picture of the sun and ANYTHING else, ALL OTHER SAID things EXCEPT animals are "flares". Get it, right? Nevermind, the REAL flares in the pic (the reddish, circular, translucent flares at or around the bright object). Nope, the two flares that look like a planet AND a moon in photos and with my naked eyes, and the moon (less prominent) than the planet maintains the same DISTANCE and ORIENTATION to the planet...That's that new lens flare, right? How do they know it's a flare and not "the contrail" that everybody has been seeing? Funny, thing my pictures will take it from:

invisible to naked eye
Double lens flare on wire
Double lens flare off wire
Contrail
Venus
NEARLY identical to the DOCUMENTED --descriptions/illustrations of the "winged planet"

And then I am done, so consider us to be at stage 3 of 6.
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


Not sure if I understood you correctly. In your picture #5 I see both versions. 1. A reflection of light between the lense and the glass of your camera (at the ~1100 position) and also you have lense flares which appear reddish (at the bottom) in your picture.



Are you saying that the reddish flares are coming from Planet X?

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Nope, just the opposite...Orange flares at the bottom, TWO OBJECTS at 10 o'clock NOT flares. I have NAKED eye proof and more pictures. Your "illustrated" explanation looks like it came from my son's 5th grade science book. And oh by the way, why not use a real picture WITH EXACTLY 2 "versions" of lens flare instead of an illustration with 3 "versions". Gotta say, that's my new ATF (2 versions of lens flare)

How do I get 3 versions, can I get 4 or 5....Because I ONLY get 2. How do I get more, help me.
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Nope, just the opposite...Orange flares at the bottom, TWO OBJECTS at 10 o'clock NOT flares. I have NAKED eye proof and more pictures.
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So you saw those two objects at 1000 naked eye?

Your "illustrated" explanation looks like it came from my son's 5th grade science book.
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


Ok.

And oh by the way, why not use a real picture WITH EXACTLY 2 "versions" of lens flare instead of an illustration with 3 "versions".
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


Why only two versions when there are three? There are many different kind of flares, lense flares and the like. Your cam (is it a smartphone?) contains several group of lenses which react differently depending on the angle of light entering into the cam lense(s).

Gotta say, that's my new ATF (2 versions of lens flare)
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What does ATF stands for?

To be absolutely sure that I understand what you are talking about: You are focusing on the three objects at the 1100 & 1000 position, right? This is what you have seen naked eye and these are the objects we should all see?
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5) How can I get more "versions" of lens flare...not the big, translucent ones, just the ones like the "moon" and "planet"?

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The ones you call "planet" and "moon" look to me like the result of internal reflections in the camera (especially from the brightest light source in view, the Sun). When light passes from one medium to another, some fraction of it is reflected. In the case of the camera lens, most of the light is transmitted (due to special non-reflective coatings that cut down on the amount that is reflected). Once past the first lens surface, a small amount of light would be reflected at the next surface, and of that, a small amount is reflected at the next surface. What you see in the picture is a radically reduced (in intensity) image of the sun, displaced from the primary image of the sun.

Try taking another picture with the Sun in the view, and adjusted your line of sight to get the "Planet" in front of some trees or a building.
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Pic #6...Identify ALL that you can.

New questions:

Is it possible to take a picture in the direction of the sun and capture any other OBJECTS in the pic?

Do you always get the same "2 versions" of lens flare no matter what?

Is it possible to look in the night sky (no sun, no street lights) and see "2 versions" of lens flare even if you are not looking through any lens/camera/glass/etc.?

No more pics till ALL MY OPEN QUESTIONS are answered.

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Gotta go buy a kicking block for the football team. Directly answer the questions in my absence.

Thanks for answering the question about the trees. No apology b/c I don't believe Boxer picked trees b/c he likes them. I think he did it to make the pictures seem "identical" and then he never responded to the poster who simply questioned the tree-line variance. You all think people are lying about their sky apps, cool...I think Boxer tried to mis-lead and obfuscate the issue/image.
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How do I get 3 versions, can I get 4 or 5....Because I ONLY get 2. How do I get more, help me.

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What is this "versions" you are talking about?
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5) How can I get more "versions" of lens flare...not the big, translucent ones, just the ones like the "moon" and "planet"?

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The ones you call "planet" and "moon" look to me like the result of internal reflections in the camera (especially from the brightest light source in view, the Sun). When light passes from one medium to another, some fraction of it is reflected. In the case of the camera lens, most of the light is transmitted (due to special non-reflective coatings that cut down on the amount that is reflected). Once past the first lens surface, a small amount of light would be reflected at the next surface, and of that, a small amount is reflected at the next surface. What you see in the picture is a radically reduced (in intensity) image of the sun, displaced from the primary image of the sun.

Try taking another picture with the Sun in the view, and adjusted your line of sight to get the "Planet" in front of some trees or a building.
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already got that, coming soon.
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How about an apology to Boxer first. You called him a fraud due to your "lack of understanding". (I'm being nice)

You seem to just skip over all your mistakes as if nothing happened. Why is that?
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bump
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Still waiting for that apology.
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You gonna get the apology as soon as you answer this questions:

 Quoting: 3rdEyeE



Questions answered.


Thanks for answering the question about the trees. No apology b/c I don't believe Boxer picked trees b/c he likes them.
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Thanks for proving what a lying piece of shit you are. I'm not really surprised though, you lying kooks never apologize when proven wrong.
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If by object, you mean what appears to be the planet/star in image 3 and the lens/filter flares in image 3 & 4, then that is not surprising.
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Ok, thanks...So how then does your cubicle buddy's "Finger Test" (not a game) apply to this thread or these pics?
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


I don’t see any flares in image 3, so it is not relevant.

Images 3 & 4 are clearly lens/filter flares, so I wouldn’t even bother doing a “finger test” on those. When I worked at a photo studio, we often got assigned to shoot HS football games and swim meets. We would always set our shots with the sun at our backs because if we did not, we ended up getting a good amount of images with flaring just like your examples. I’ve processed more than my fair share of these.
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I really enjoy this discussion but have been back and forth today at work so please excuse my ignorance. But if photo 4(going by my email) is lens flair then Erik is COMPLETELY lieing about this whole thing and sent emails to me and others and spending time here just screwing around with all of us...is that correct? Thanks.
 Quoting: Bluepill


It looks that way.

However, it may be that he actually believes his lens flairs are a "planet" and a "moon". I have seen crazier things.
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Thanks for answering the question about the trees. No apology b/c I don't believe Boxer picked trees b/c he likes them. I think he did it to make the pictures seem "identical" and then he never responded to the poster who simply questioned the tree-line variance. You all think people are lying about their sky apps, cool...I think Boxer tried to mis-lead and obfuscate the issue/image.

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Why am I not surprised?

My guess is that he has probably posted an image from Stellarium before on this site and it has the same "tree-line".
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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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Actually, he is making the people who were posting genuine sightings look foolish by association.
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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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How did the observation go last night Cassandra?

When will you be posting the photos?
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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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How did the observation go last night Cassandra?

When will you be posting the photos?
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Thanks for checking in. The skies were clear for most of the day. I packed up my gear and headed to the top of the valley to my friend's house around 5:30. About 45 minutes before sunset clouds started rolling in. By nightfall, we couldn't see anything. Rain this morning, and it hasn't let up. My viewing opportunities really suck.

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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 30 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?

;-)

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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
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It's what she does.
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
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Because if she were honest she wouldn't be able to make condescending dishonest posts like that.
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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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How did the observation go last night Cassandra?

When will you be posting the photos?
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Thanks for checking in. The skies we clear for most of the day. I packed up my gear and headed to the top of the valley to my friend's house around 5:30. About 45 minutes before sunset clouds started rolling in. By nightfall, we couldn't see anything. Rain this morning, and it hasn't let up. My viewing opportunities really suck.
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I see.

What do you think of 3rdEye's photos?

Is this what people are seeing?
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If by object, you mean what appears to be the planet/star in image 3 and the lens/filter flares in image 3 & 4, then that is not surprising.
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Ok, thanks...So how then does your cubicle buddy's "Finger Test" (not a game) apply to this thread or these pics?
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I don’t see any flares in image 3, so it is not relevant.

Images 3 & 4 are clearly lens/filter flares, so I wouldn’t even bother doing a “finger test” on those. When I worked at a photo studio, we often got assigned to shoot HS football games and swim meets. We would always set our shots with the sun at our backs because if we did not, we ended up getting a good amount of images with flaring just like your examples. I’ve processed more than my fair share of these.
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I really enjoy this discussion but have been back and forth today at work so please excuse my ignorance. But if photo 4(going by my email) is lens flair then Erik is COMPLETELY lieing about this whole thing and sent emails to me and others and spending time here just screwing around with all of us...is that correct? Thanks.
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That's par for the course for him:
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It's Venus you tards...

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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
 Quoting: sotsun 03 18759514


According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
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The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
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The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.
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Cassandra specifically said "The same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world", meaning just one plane doing it.
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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


In all fairness, did my sarcasm really escape you? I suppose I should have written j/k or inserted a goofy smiley.

In any event, I shall re-phrase my statement for the more serious-minded among us (who are surely in short supply at this point in the thread);

(a) contrails left by a plane or planes in approximately the same location (western horizon), shortly before sunset. And this is the kicker: the contrail just sits there and doesn't dissipate until the sun sets.

No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


Okay, once again: it's called humor. Of course no one was instructed to not look at the skies. However, we have been repeatedly informed that when we do look at the skies we are usually mis-identifying objects, taking pictures of street lights and such, and we don't even know how to use calibrate and correctly use the astronomy apps on our devices. So no, we can still look at the skies, but if we report back on this thread about what we are seeing we are frequently made to feel like idiots, liars, trolls and low-lives because we lack the "requisite" astronomical expertise and expensive optics.

With all due respect, this is not an "untruth". This is my personal observation and opinion.
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Re: There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!!
Thanks for answering the question about the trees. No apology b/c I don't believe Boxer picked trees b/c he likes them. I think he did it to make the pictures seem "identical" and then he never responded to the poster who simply questioned the tree-line variance. You all think people are lying about their sky apps, cool...I think Boxer tried to mis-lead and obfuscate the issue/image.

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Why am I not surprised?

My guess is that he has probably posted an image from Stellarium before on this site and it has the same "tree-line".
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Yup. Here's one I posted on 10/05/2013 - Thread: There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!! (Page 18) 2 days before the other one. Same ground scenery just a wider FOV. His entire argument is silly. Stellarium shows a simulated view of the SKY, not what your yard looks like...LOL. The object in question was shown to be Venus. He didn't like that so he claimed I faked the photo. I didn't. He has been caught in a lie.


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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
 Quoting: sotsun 03 18759514


According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


Because if she were honest she wouldn't be able to make condescending dishonest posts like that.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Oh, please...have you ever taken the time to review the tone of your responses to anyone who repeatedly disagrees with you?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Sheesh.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Astro!
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 Quoting: sotsun 03 18759514


According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
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No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45548234


You may be wasting your time here. This person takes themselves waaaaay to seriously to be on a conspiracy website...

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