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There REALLY IS something strange in western sky around sunset...!!!

 
3rdEyeE

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Third eye getting you lot all flustered. He's getting to you.. crawling under your skin. Making you really have to work.

I like it. ;)
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Right?! And good on you for speaking your mind.
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Actually, he is making the people who were posting genuine sightings look foolish by association.
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Nope, as my sightings AND photos are irrelevant to what ANYONE else sees. Also, independent of what everyone sees. That is the very proof, everyone (minus 7) are seeing the same thing for the 1st time ever...Not my words, theirs over and over, hence the now EPIC thread. Do you think 1 illustration and 5 bogus pictures could cause this. Abject Failure. And because you chose to be "cryptic" (your girl's word not mine), I will use my $10 worth of cussing you:

You are such a pathetic fucking shill, I have to ask. Do you look foolish, for secretly soliciting my pics to get a sneak preview? Or do you look dishonest, desperate, afraid, paranoid, out-witted, out-classed? Best part, you had the pics and didn't post and de-bunk...why not? Didn't want to blow your cover? Are you the cop from NYC biker attack? Funniest part, I MADE you reveal you level of snake-like behavior. Why don't you post our "email thread"? Huh, FUCKBOY? Too bad, I knew you were CUMMING and didn't compromise the "Progressive Picture Release Party". Greatest compliment you gave me (check my thread history, no trolling, barely ever speak on here)...the need to infiltrate my ONE MAN ARMY.

Curious...have you ever been in the military? Don't lie, Chief Rambali has access to the information.
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tofino bc canada here.

... we face japan.

we have seen this in the west sky at sunset for the past 2 years. we are sea level. it is an absolute beautiful thing to see.

there ae no planes here. we are quite remote.

we are on the far most west side side of vancouver island, the pacific ocean.

i have no pics, but i have nothing to prove to anyone.

... i have front row seats.
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Thanks for that account, AC! Now brace yourself for the inevitable retorts from the usual suspects. Because if you don't have a picture, you didn't see anything. And just because you don't see any planes in the sky doesn't mean they aren't there ;-) j/k

I like that you have nothing to prove to anyone. Rock on.
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


Correction: He/She will not be attacked, I have sufficiently de-coded the shill playbook:

1) Ignore all sightings from people who are not pesky or persistent

2) Tell the pesky ones, it's a plane and contrails--Make them produce flight charts as proof it's not a plane. When they can't/don't/won't say, "Where's the Proof" (think Wendy's ad campaign from 80's)

3) Dismiss all video footage as "planes/contrail"

4) Dismiss all photo evidence as "lens/filter" flare

5) Try to trick poster of pics into leaking their pics to you before they post on firm, so you can PREPARE and CROP and MANIPULATE their photo so much that the PHOTOGRAPHER can't recognize.

6) Call somebody a name

7) Ignore questions that expose you

8) Find an irrelevant FINGER video (Declare it as a scientific "TEST" and not a "game"

9) Call somebody some more names

10) Deny, Deny, Deny

11) Call the boss for some AC back-up and tell him that you are GETTING DESTROYED by some nobody and NOBODY cares/believes you and your 3 - 5 KNOWN trolls

12) If all else fails, ask to be re-ASSigned to a thread/poster you can handle.
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I just took this video tonight


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Gonna have a look on this tomorrow.
Have a good one.
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yes, I show on SkEye how it's clearly NOT Venus, Arcturus, Mercury, Mars or Jupiter
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bump

Welcome, a NEW independent thinker. I will upgrade you b/c you will be banned soon. I have been to where you come from, seen and read the EVIDENCE. Welcome.

FYI,

Astro, Sethy, Boxer are believed by many to be PAID GOVERNMENT DIS-INFORMATION agents. Simply ignore them. You don't need to interact or respond to them at all. I now OWN these BITCHES, because they cannot leave this thread UNTIL I say so. You see I have the GOODS and am willing to take the hits for the team. If they leave, I open the "lens flare" vault and the house of cards come tumbling down. To date, I have been nursing them like little blind pigs. The shit has been masterful to be honest.

Even made Sethy confess that he solicited pics under false pretense...Really, check the thread.
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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


Dumb ass, not the SAME physical vessel...Even more ludicrous, Fed Ex pilot, Cpt. Astro, is joy-riding and everyone around the world can seem him in the same location for MONTHS/YEARS. Don't you have the FED EX flight charts?
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yes, I show on SkEye how it's clearly NOT Venus, Arcturus, Mercury, Mars or Jupiter
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bump

Welcome, a NEW independent thinker. I will upgrade you b/c you will be banned soon. I have been to where you come from, seen and read the EVIDENCE. Welcome.

FYI,

Astro, Sethy, Boxer are believed by many to be PAID GOVERNMENT DIS-INFORMATION agents. Simply ignore them. You don't need to interact or respond to them at all. I now OWN these BITCHES, because they cannot leave this thread UNTIL I say so. You see I have the GOODS and am willing to take the hits for the team. If they leave, I open the "lens flare" vault and the house of cards come tumbling down. To date, I have been nursing them like little blind pigs. The shit has been masterful to be honest.

Even made Sethy confess that he solicited pics under false pretense...Really, check the thread.
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we see it here in iowa to so bright what is it a ufo or what?
 Quoting: sotsun 03 18759514


According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.
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bump
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According to the Astronomy Masters on this thread, you and 150 other people have either seen (a) the same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world, leaving a contrail that takes 39 minutes or more to disappear or (b) Venus.

Nothing to worry your pretty little head over, just move along now. And don't bother looking up at the skies again until you have a Phd in astronomy, okay?
 Quoting: Cassandra's Echo


No one has ever said it was the same plane. No one has ever said to not look at the skies. Why do these same untruths keep getting posted in this thread?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17989851


The idea it is a contrail is so stupid as to defy logic. By "same" it is meant same position in the sky in geographically and atmospherically varied locations. The concept that people in Maine, Montana, Oregon and Texas could all be seeing different planes that appear to be in the same position in the sky and appearing basically the same is a ridiculous proposition.
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Cassandra specifically said "The same busy plane scurrying across the western horizon at sunset all over the world", meaning just one plane doing it.
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I know her, she is brighter than Astro, Boxer, SetHO COMBINED...She was being sarcastic, facetious or speaking figuratively. Trust me.
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3rd eye. Firstly kudos for making them squirm. I have so enjoyed watching you and your tactics. Funny how you are being called a troll for playing them at their game.. :D

I asked earlier but you must have missed it. Could I please have your email so I can see your pics?


Thanks in advance.
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Great job folks, almost 200 hundred pages because EVERYONE (MINUS 5) are seeing the "new" venus, remote-controlled planes flying the same worldwide routes, etc. This thread has NOTHING to do with my 1 illustrated pic and 5 pictures (released to date). But we need to tighten up, so here is where we are going now:

1) No more email pics--Dishonest folks lied to get pics, didn't even post them. Need I say more

2) We are going to continue with pic review...starting with pic #6. It has been posted, the aforementioned "planet" and "moon" are STILL there. No wire, no nothing...just the same TWO "versions" of lens flare. Same distance and orientation to each other.

Now consider this, knowing the "conditions" which will cause lens flare...VERY EASY. To take dozens of pictures over SEVERAL months, from varying locations, times of day/night, angles, vantage points and have said pictures produce NEARLY IDENTICAL "two version" lens flare is IMPOSSIBLE, even if we knew what the fuck that was--"two version". Anybody got a quad venti double pump Lens Flare to go? ROTFLMFAO.

3) We are going to simultaneously begin a THEORY debate on this same thread. I will take one for the team and put MY theory out there. We will go point by point, blow for blow. Point is the pics and theories are related, but different.

My posts from now on will be a PICTURE (numbered by order of release) or dialogue to support my theory or challenge those that I don't believe (subjective of course) to be plausible.

Feel free to add your pics or theories. I am dying to see the 230 pm naked eye pic of Venus, but "they" don't have ANY.
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Yep - fair enough.
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3rd eye. Firstly kudos for making them squirm. I have so enjoyed watching you and your tactics. Funny how you are being called a troll for playing them at their game.. :D

I asked earlier but you must have missed it. Could I please have your email so I can see your pics?


Thanks in advance.
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Sorry yes...erikb06@yahoo.com You will have to reference the post AND give your handle due to the tactics of the Lens Flare Contrail All-Star Team. Apologies, however, I want and seek nothing in return...not even confirmation. I send the pics and "keep it moving". So I will NEVER compromise you here or else where. Others can attest to that. I have been inundated with pic request of "filter flares" for some reason, so I am a little behind. Apologies again.
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3rd eye. Firstly kudos for making them squirm. I have so enjoyed watching you and your tactics. Funny how you are being called a troll for playing them at their game.. :D

I asked earlier but you must have missed it. Could I please have your email so I can see your pics?


Thanks in advance.
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Sorry yes...erikb06@yahoo.com You will have to reference the post AND give your handle due to the tactics of the Lens Flare Contrail All-Star Team. Apologies, however, I want and seek nothing in return...not even confirmation. I send the pics and "keep it moving". So I will NEVER compromise you here or else where. Others can attest to that. I have been inundated with pic request of "filter flares" for some reason, so I am a little behind. Apologies again.
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Thank you, email sent.
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Need Astro's help on pic #3.

The one with NO VISIBLE object, until you zoom over the goalposts. Can we get you to zoom on that for us? Or do you only crop/chop/magnify/alter what you want?

By the way, your girl Sethy, has already declared "NO LENS FLARE" so don't contradict him.

Also, anybody remember my "eyewitness" account about the football field viewing over 2 months? Well, when I mentioned "over the football field", either Geo or Boxer (doesn't matter which one b/c they are the same") tried to ridicule me as a doomtard...somehting akin to "better run, something gonna hit the football field". It was clever and cute, until picture 3 was released with "unknown object" over goalposts of said field. Amazingly, SetHO admitted he didn't know what it was. Don't you get it folks? If the object was visible in the picture "it would be lens flare", but since it wasn't without zooming, they were stumped. Yes, I tricked them, but honestly...Remember, I know what EVERY picture is b/c I am taking them. Translation, I knew the object was there b/c I was looking at it with my own eyes.
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Need Astro-Zoom on pic #6...

The picture shows your team's "double version" lens flare, but to me it shows the SAME "planet" AND "moon" that I have seen on MULTIPLE naked-eye observations. In EITHER case, the "moon" and "planet" have the same distance and orientation to each other. Can we get you to "magnify" those objects please? Thanks in advance and sorry for calling you a government shill, I had no right to tell people what you do for a living.

By the way, any truth to the rumor that you are a "War on Terror" vet, who stepped on an IED, lost your legs, and are stuck behind the computer fulfilling your patriotic duty?

Seems plausible, but you can NOT trust these konspiracy site kooks, right?

Btw, why do you spend so much time on a site you don't agree with? Just curious.

Truce Time? Let's move forward to pics 7 - 70 and also theory comparison. What say you, pal?
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I just took this video tonight


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Thank you for posting the video. I think you did a great job! hf


I have been here since page one, even greened pinned it at one point. So glad several of you, including 3rdEye's impressive techniques, are putting this thread back on track.

Edit: I mean "green karma pinned"

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I just took this video tonight


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Thank you for posting the video. I think you did a great job! hf


I have been here since page one, even greened pinned it at one point. So glad several of you, including 3rdEye's impressive techniques, are putting this thread back on track.
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Yes he is impressive eh. I am so enjoying watching him play.
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I just took this video tonight


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Thank you for posting the video. I think you did a great job! hf


I have been here since page one, even greened pinned it at one point. So glad several of you, including 3rdEye's impressive techniques, are putting this thread back on track.
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Yes he is impressive eh. I am so enjoying watching him play.
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Lol, yep, it has been fun. Not many people can turn the tables on Axis II personality types. :)
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I just took this video tonight


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Your a sick cunt bro!!
Cheers for that vid, its like a can of troll-repelent
:)
Green karma for you!
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Lol, yep, it has been fun. Not many people can turn the tables on Axis II personality types. :)
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Indeed!
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Theory Post #1

3rd Eye E's theory--I believe the 1983 article. Something Big, In-bound, captured with IRAS telescope.

I believe the object(s) are 30 years closer
I have not seen any de-bunking of the article
I have not seen any published article updating NOR recanting
I believe the LUCIFER telescope is on this thing
I believe the Mayan data was promoted and propagandized as a decoy
I believe ISON is "codeword" for "In Search Of Nibiru"
I believe the object(s) are dark and difficult to photograph

So far on this thread, Seth indicated he thought the 1983 article was some (paraphrase--small, baby, un-developed system that didn't eat it's veggies and therefore is gone).

I don't believe SetHO's theory b/c NOTHING supports it.

Your team's at-bat, now. Who's your lead-off hitter b/c I might pitch him "high and tight" to send a message. Don't worry, sports analogy and obviously you all don't know sports, right?
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Intermission Joke...Waiting on Zoom of pic 3 and 6 AND Theory post 1 rebuttal or Counter Theory.

While we wait, it will be awhile, they are ALL in a strategy meeting aka "Operation Circle The Wagons" aka "Operation Who the Fuck Does this 3rd Eye Bitch Think He is"

Please help me find my lizard and kitty...

Lost my BIG, lizard...looks like Godzilla doing a face-palm and lost my Bitch Kitty. Anybody seen them?

ROTFLMFAO!!! Usually works, but usually I am not here--check my stats.
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3rd eye did you get my email?
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3rd eye did you get my email?
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Check your email. Just sent.
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Got it! cheers!
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That is the very proof, everyone (minus 7) are seeing the same thing for the 1st time ever...Not my words, theirs over and over, hence the now EPIC thread. Do you think 1 illustration and 5 bogus pictures could cause this. Abject Failure. And because you chose to be "cryptic" (your girl's word not mine), I will use my $10 worth of cussing you:

You are such a pathetic fucking shill, I have to ask. Do you look foolish, for secretly soliciting my pics to get a sneak preview? Or do you look dishonest, desperate, afraid, paranoid, out-witted, out-classed? Best part, you had the pics and didn't post and de-bunk...why not? Didn't want to blow your cover? Are you the cop from NYC biker attack? Funniest part, I MADE you reveal you level of snake-like behavior. Why don't you post our "email thread"? Huh, FUCKBOY? Too bad, I knew you were CUMMING and didn't compromise the "Progressive Picture Release Party". Greatest compliment you gave me (check my thread history, no trolling, barely ever speak on here)...the need to infiltrate my ONE MAN ARMY.

Curious...have you ever been in the military? Don't lie, Chief Rambali has access to the information.
 Quoting: 3rdEyeE


Was that even real?

What the hell did you just say?

Biker attacks?

$10 worth of cussing you?

Chief Rambali?

Seriously, that was crazy talk. What are you even saying?

The fact that I know you have a wife and child frightens me.

You are posting lens flairs and you actually think they are a winged planet and a moon.

You seriously need help.
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Don't miss the contrails in pic #6, might be the ones the whole world has been seeing. Unfortunately for some, they don't obstruct the view of the "DVF" (Double Version Flare) in this picture. By the way, ATF means All-Time Favorite (e.g. My ATF made up shill bullshit from this thread is "two versions" of lens flare).

By the way, if you have a pic request, just ask. I may have it and will post it.

And check pic 6...Sun, multiple contrails, skyline with REAL trees, clouds and of course the omni-present "Double Version Flare".

Can somebody do the Finger test on pic #6 and let us know if the DVF "disappears?
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That is the very proof, everyone (minus 7) are seeing the same thing for the 1st time ever...Not my words, theirs over and over, hence the now EPIC thread. Do you think 1 illustration and 5 bogus pictures could cause this. Abject Failure. And because you chose to be "cryptic" (your girl's word not mine), I will use my $10 worth of cussing you:

You are such a pathetic fucking shill, I have to ask. Do you look foolish, for secretly soliciting my pics to get a sneak preview? Or do you look dishonest, desperate, afraid, paranoid, out-witted, out-classed? Best part, you had the pics and didn't post and de-bunk...why not? Didn't want to blow your cover? Are you the cop from NYC biker attack? Funniest part, I MADE you reveal you level of snake-like behavior. Why don't you post our "email thread"? Huh, FUCKBOY? Too bad, I knew you were CUMMING and didn't compromise the "Progressive Picture Release Party". Greatest compliment you gave me (check my thread history, no trolling, barely ever speak on here)...the need to infiltrate my ONE MAN ARMY.

Curious...have you ever been in the military? Don't lie, Chief Rambali has access to the information.
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Was that even real?

What the hell did you just say?

Biker attacks?

$10 worth of cussing you?

Chief Rambali?

Seriously, that was crazy talk. What are you even saying?

The fact that I know you have a wife and child frightens me.

You are posting lens flairs and you actually think they are a winged planet and a moon.

You seriously need help.

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Is what real?

Read what I said, if you don't get it, that's your problem. Where are your kudos, I keep getting them.

Biker Attack was a joke reference to a real BIG U.S. news story, sorry you missed it.

$10 was a joke b/c I had to pay to get un-banned so I joked I would cuss to make it worthwhile.

Chief Rambali? What...he and his credentials regarding things in the sky that you and I can't see and will never see is well documented. Try Google, trades for $1000 a share for a GOOD reason.

What are lens "flairs"? Rick Flair, yes I know the Nature Boy, but not familiar with lens "flairs". Can you tell all of us how one takes a still photograph and discerns what is lens "flair" and what is not? Why is object in pic 3 NOT "flair" according to you, but pictures 5 and 6 are? Since I took all three pictures of the SAME object visible to the naked eye, I know that NONE of them are lens flare. Can you PROVE me wrong? The PROOF of a negative is your boyfriend's standard, not mine. What's wrong can't play by your own rules, fucking pathetic bum? No offense to regular bums.

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