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Sol Neman

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Due to events taking place in our country I am frustrated as are many other people. Below you will find my thoughts on the situation. You may not agree with everything I have to say. That is ok; we do not have to agree on every issue. I am not attempting to have you agree with everything I say. My intention here is introspection and civil discourse.

The preamble of our constitution starts with We the People, not We the Democrats or We the Republicans. Instead of saying Republicans are stupid and need to be stopped or Democrats are ignorant and too emotional, all of us need to make an attempt to understand our differences and work on compromise. Stop the blame game. Neither side is faultless; all involved are complicit in the continuation of the downward spiral we are on as a country. All political parties and news media outlets are master manipulators that say what you want to hear, not what truly is and all of them have contributed to the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in. Our emotions are being toyed with and used against us and we are being divided as much or more now than any other time in our country’s history. These politicians, with help from the news media, want you to detest or hate someone that holds a different opinion than yourself. In this way it takes our focus off of an out of control central government that does not care about We the People. They do not care if the problems are fixed, if they did their egos would be put aside and real solutions would be created.

Our country was founded on some basic principles that all humans have unalienable rights and that we are all equal. That does not mean we all think, act and live the same way. Solutions to problems in one part of the country may not work or make any sense in another part of the country. The attempts by the political parties and their affiliates forcing their ideologies, without compromise, down the throats of people that do not agree are atrocious. We are a country full of diverse cultures and ideals that is spread over a vast geographic area. Trying to make 300+ million people over a 3 million square mile area all accept the same thoughts, concepts, and ideals, while pretending there are no differences between regions, cultures, and States is asinine. That utopia will never exist, cultural and geographical differences will not allow it. Some issues must be left for the individual regions or States to decide. Those individual regions or States know their area and culture best and what issues they need to deal with. The writers of our Constitution understood that otherwise they would not have written the tenth amendment.

It sickens me to see this great nation get torn apart over differences of opinion and ideals. Nobody is 100% correct about anything and we all have our faults. We all have ideas and opinions, some you will agree with and some you will not. These differences of opinion are what lead to great ideas, innovation, and solutions, when we work together and are willing to compromise. However, there are certain issues that we will never reach a compromise on due to the fact that it undermines deep seated cultural values and forces someone to change their way of life. No person or entity has the right to force their ideas or opinions on anyone else’s life, liberty or pursuit of happiness when it does not directly infringe on their life, no matter how much you may disagree with that person’s life choices. Your only option is to offer your advice and agree to disagree. In addition, we all need to understand there are certain issues that no amount of legislation will change. These are the issues that can only be fixed by proper education and must be left to personal choice, with no government oversight.

If We the People cannot figure out how to do this we will degrade from a civil society into chaos and ultimately civil war.

Thank you for your time.

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A most thoughtful and honorable post, my friend. As your signature says, knowledge is the key. I look for opportunities to inform my fellow Americans every day. You never know what a simple spoken thought may provoke in someone.

5 stars for an excellent post
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A most thoughtful and honorable post, my friend. As your signature says, knowledge is the key. I look for opportunities to inform my fellow Americans every day. You never know what a simple spoken thought may provoke in someone.

5 stars for an excellent post
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Thank you!

Yes, many problems are fixed with education and some can only be fixed that way.

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You're most welcome! Knowledge is power. Critical thinking is a must.

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PREAMBLE

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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BILL OF RIGHTS

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


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Unalienable

(not to be confused with inalienable)

un·alien·able - impossible to take away or give up
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incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.

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Common Sense by Thomas Paine (1776)

INTRODUCTION

Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour; a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.

As a long and violent abuse of power, is generally the Means of calling the right of it in question (and in Matters too which might never have been thought of, had not the Sufferers been aggravated into the inquiry) and as the King of England hath undertaken in his OWN RIGHT, to support the Parliament in what he calls THEIRS, and as the good people of this country are grievously oppressed by the combination, they have an undoubted privilege to inquire into the pretensions of both, and equally to reject the usurpation of either.

In the following sheets, the author hath studiously avoided every thing which is personal among ourselves. Compliments as well as censure to individuals make no part thereof. The wise, and the worthy, need not the triumph of a pamphlet; and those whose sentiments are injudicious, or unfriendly, will cease of themselves unless too much pains are bestowed upon their conversion.

The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Many circumstances hath, and will arise, which are not local, but universal, and through which the principles of all Lovers of Mankind are affected, and in the Event of which, their Affections are interested. The laying a Country desolate with Fire and Sword, declaring War against the natural rights of all Mankind, and extirpating the Defenders thereof from the Face of the Earth, is the Concern of every Man to whom Nature hath given the Power of feeling; of which Class, regardless of Party Censure, is the AUTHOR.

P.S. The Publication of this new Edition hath been delayed, with a View of taking notice (had it been necessary) of any Attempt to refute the Doctrine of Independance: As no Answer hath yet appeared, it is now presumed that none will, the Time needful for getting such a Performance ready for the Public being considerably past.

Who the Author of this Production is, is wholly unnecessary to the Public, as the Object for Attention is the DOCTRINE ITSELF, not the MAN. Yet it may not be unnecessary to say, That he is unconnected with any Party, and under no sort of Influence public or private, but the influence of reason and principle.

Philadelphia, February 14, 1776


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Awesome thread, OP! Greenage and 5 stars!

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The sad truth, is that the average person you pass on the street is flat clueless of the nefarious goings-on of their government.

Most don't even know what comprises the BoR, yet believe it is the government that grants their "rights" - and this is a product of design.

Why would one proclaim a trampling of their "rights" if they were clueless that the purpose of the US Constitution is to lay out the Structure, Guidance, Direction, and Restriction of Government, much-less of from where their "rights" are granted.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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That's exactly where it all goes wrong, it shouldn't say "We the People", it should say "I The Chosen One"
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The sad truth, is that the average person you pass on the street is flat clueless of the nefarious goings-on of their government.

Most don't even know what comprises the BoR, yet believe it is the government that grants their "rights" - and this is a product of design.

Why would one proclaim a trampling of their "rights" if they were clueless that the purpose of the US Constitution is to lay out the Structure, Guidance, Direction, and Restriction of Government, much-less of from where their "rights" are granted.
 Quoting: ClydeX


Yes, that is the sad truth. The average person is ignorant to most if not all of what is going on. It's not completely their fault. The education system in this country is a joke and has only contributed to the ignorance. Plus, they've been distracted with TV, Social Media and Professional Sports, to name a few. When a person attempts to inform the ignorant, many times they are ignored due to apathy, normalcy bias or simple lack of understanding.

Critical thinking and common sense has essentially disappeared from modern society. Many of the ignorant will not realize what is happening until it hits them personally or very close to home. I hoped with the latest escapades of our government that more people would wake up and see what is truly happening, but all I've seen is further division. It's a sad state of affairs to say the least and our options for recourse are dwindling by the day if not the hour.
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A most thoughtful and honorable post, my friend. As your signature says, knowledge is the key. I look for opportunities to inform my fellow Americans every day. You never know what a simple spoken thought may provoke in someone.

5 stars for an excellent post
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2822082


Thank you!

Yes, many problems are fixed with education and some can only be fixed that way.
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Problem is all of the union, brown shirt teachers are teaching the communist manifesto disguised as a teaching curriculum.
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A most thoughtful and honorable post, my friend. As your signature says, knowledge is the key. I look for opportunities to inform my fellow Americans every day. You never know what a simple spoken thought may provoke in someone.

5 stars for an excellent post
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2822082


Thank you!

Yes, many problems are fixed with education and some can only be fixed that way.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Problem is all of the union, brown shirt teachers are teaching the communist manifesto disguised as a teaching curriculum.
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I should have stated "proper or real education." I wasn't referring to the watered down re-written history or propaganda spewed at our so called educational institutions of this country.
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Until those who govern "we the people" understand that the Union can only be preserved on the basis of concessions and negotiations on the part of all of its parties, nothing can or will ever be resolved. The goal has to be to focus on providing for what is best to the whole while still affording consideration to members of the few. It is best to seek a win/win situation rather than I win, you lose.

Mark 3:24-25
"If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25"If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."
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Until those who govern "we the people" understand that the Union can only be preserved on the basis of concessions and negotiations on the part of all of its parties, nothing can or will ever be resolved. The goal has to be to focus on providing for what is best to the whole while still affording consideration to members of the few. It is best to seek a win/win situation rather than I win, you lose.

Mark 3:24-25
"If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25"If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand."

 Quoting: Marisol


Well said. At this point I don't think those that govern are willing to budge one little bit, apparently they consider negotiation as a sign of weakness and are more concerned about losing support from their parties than actually representing all of their constituents, specifically those that didn't vote for them.

Don't get me wrong here. There are times when you must take a stand and hold your ground, however if you are never willing to look at something from a different perspective or entertain a different way of doing things you will go nowhere. Life is full of compromise and there is nothing that can only be accomplished in one way. Stand for what you believe in but don't completely shut out the option of changing your mind when new information or a different perspective is offered. Nothing in life is absolute except death.
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Due to events taking place in our country I am frustrated as are many other people. Below you will find my thoughts on the situation. You may not agree with everything I have to say. That is ok; we do not have to agree on every issue. I am not attempting to have you agree with everything I say. My intention here is introspection and civil discourse.

The preamble of our constitution starts with We the People, not We the Democrats or We the Republicans. Instead of saying Republicans are stupid and need to be stopped or Democrats are ignorant and too emotional, all of us need to make an attempt to understand our differences and work on compromise. Stop the blame game. Neither side is faultless; all involved are complicit in the continuation of the downward spiral we are on as a country. All political parties and news media outlets are master manipulators that say what you want to hear, not what truly is and all of them have contributed to the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in. Our emotions are being toyed with and used against us and we are being divided as much or more now than any other time in our country’s history. These politicians, with help from the news media, want you to detest or hate someone that holds a different opinion than yourself. In this way it takes our focus off of an out of control central government that does not care about We the People. They do not care if the problems are fixed, if they did their egos would be put aside and real solutions would be created.

Our country was founded on some basic principles that all humans have unalienable rights and that we are all equal. That does not mean we all think, act and live the same way. Solutions to problems in one part of the country may not work or make any sense in another part of the country. The attempts by the political parties and their affiliates forcing their ideologies, without compromise, down the throats of people that do not agree are atrocious. We are a country full of diverse cultures and ideals that is spread over a vast geographic area. Trying to make 300+ million people over a 3 million square mile area all accept the same thoughts, concepts, and ideals, while pretending there are no differences between regions, cultures, and States is asinine. That utopia will never exist, cultural and geographical differences will not allow it. Some issues must be left for the individual regions or States to decide. Those individual regions or States know their area and culture best and what issues they need to deal with. The writers of our Constitution understood that otherwise they would not have written the tenth amendment.

It sickens me to see this great nation get torn apart over differences of opinion and ideals. Nobody is 100% correct about anything and we all have our faults. We all have ideas and opinions, some you will agree with and some you will not. These differences of opinion are what lead to great ideas, innovation, and solutions, when we work together and are willing to compromise. However, there are certain issues that we will never reach a compromise on due to the fact that it undermines deep seated cultural values and forces someone to change their way of life. No person or entity has the right to force their ideas or opinions on anyone else’s life, liberty or pursuit of happiness when it does not directly infringe on their life, no matter how much you may disagree with that person’s life choices. Your only option is to offer your advice and agree to disagree. In addition, we all need to understand there are certain issues that no amount of legislation will change. These are the issues that can only be fixed by proper education and must be left to personal choice, with no government oversight.

If We the People cannot figure out how to do this we will degrade from a civil society into chaos and ultimately civil war.

Thank you for your time.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Way back in the '50s people warned us about the United Nations and to get it out of this country. We should have listened. We should have listened to those back then who wanted to close our borders down. We should have listened to those who warned about closing down our steel industry and our oil industry. THEY WERE ALL RIGHT! Too late now. Our beloved country has been invaded by outsiders, by people whose only goal is to bring it down. I am heartbroken that my country has been brought to its knees by traitors within it.

verysad
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The biggest political problem right now is that people love their party more than their country. Noone will give in and reach compromise and do what is really in the best interest of the USA.
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I agree, many people I meet day to day are very self absorbed and truly do not understand what, "in the best interest of the greater good" really means.

The more concerning part is that many think we can legislate away every problem we are faced with, and when someone disagrees with them, they're not willing to even give consideration that there may be an alternative to passing a law or regulation.

There are some issues that have been around since humans started forming societies and they will never go away no matter how many laws or regulations you try and throw at the problem. The issue may be lessened through proper education or it may just be one of things that cannot be controlled and the only thing you can do is accept that it happens and deal with it when it does. Restricting everyone, because something could happen only leads to bigger issues, not to mention anger and dissent.

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bump 5 stars! Sounds great to me!

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Due to events taking place in our country I am frustrated as are many other people. Below you will find my thoughts on the situation. You may not agree with everything I have to say. That is ok; we do not have to agree on every issue. I am not attempting to have you agree with everything I say. My intention here is introspection and civil discourse.

The preamble of our constitution starts with We the People, not We the Democrats or We the Republicans. Instead of saying Republicans are stupid and need to be stopped or Democrats are ignorant and too emotional, all of us need to make an attempt to understand our differences and work on compromise. Stop the blame game. Neither side is faultless; all involved are complicit in the continuation of the downward spiral we are on as a country. All political parties and news media outlets are master manipulators that say what you want to hear, not what truly is and all of them have contributed to the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in. Our emotions are being toyed with and used against us and we are being divided as much or more now than any other time in our country’s history. These politicians, with help from the news media, want you to detest or hate someone that holds a different opinion than yourself. In this way it takes our focus off of an out of control central government that does not care about We the People. They do not care if the problems are fixed, if they did their egos would be put aside and real solutions would be created.

Our country was founded on some basic principles that all humans have unalienable rights and that we are all equal. That does not mean we all think, act and live the same way. Solutions to problems in one part of the country may not work or make any sense in another part of the country. The attempts by the political parties and their affiliates forcing their ideologies, without compromise, down the throats of people that do not agree are atrocious. We are a country full of diverse cultures and ideals that is spread over a vast geographic area. Trying to make 300+ million people over a 3 million square mile area all accept the same thoughts, concepts, and ideals, while pretending there are no differences between regions, cultures, and States is asinine. That utopia will never exist, cultural and geographical differences will not allow it. Some issues must be left for the individual regions or States to decide. Those individual regions or States know their area and culture best and what issues they need to deal with. The writers of our Constitution understood that otherwise they would not have written the tenth amendment.

It sickens me to see this great nation get torn apart over differences of opinion and ideals. Nobody is 100% correct about anything and we all have our faults. We all have ideas and opinions, some you will agree with and some you will not. These differences of opinion are what lead to great ideas, innovation, and solutions, when we work together and are willing to compromise. However, there are certain issues that we will never reach a compromise on due to the fact that it undermines deep seated cultural values and forces someone to change their way of life. No person or entity has the right to force their ideas or opinions on anyone else’s life, liberty or pursuit of happiness when it does not directly infringe on their life, no matter how much you may disagree with that person’s life choices. Your only option is to offer your advice and agree to disagree. In addition, we all need to understand there are certain issues that no amount of legislation will change. These are the issues that can only be fixed by proper education and must be left to personal choice, with no government oversight.

If We the People cannot figure out how to do this we will degrade from a civil society into chaos and ultimately civil war.

Thank you for your time.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Way back in the '50s people warned us about the United Nations and to get it out of this country. We should have listened. We should have listened to those back then who wanted to close our borders down. We should have listened to those who warned about closing down our steel industry and our oil industry. THEY WERE ALL RIGHT! Too late now. Our beloved country has been invaded by outsiders, by people whose only goal is to bring it down. I am heartbroken that my country has been brought to its knees by traitors within it.

verysad
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You're not kidding! They don't appear to be so crazy now. I may not completely agree with their methods and tactics but what they were saying is making more sense every day. It is very sad that they saw the writing on the wall that far back but we are only now starting to realize this.

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Events are getting worse by the day. Federal employees have allegedly been given directive to "make life difficult." Do these employees not realize what they're doing? Are they so afraid of losing their jobs that they will contribute to the downfall of our country? Why don't any of them stand up and say I refuse to treat the citizens of our country in this fashion?

It appears more and more everyday that the Feds have no plans whatsoever to stop this impasse and are pushing for the absolute worst to happen. It's very alarming when foreigners think they are under arrest when visiting national parks! We are becoming more polarized by the second. My only hope is that people will start waking up to what is really going on, which is nothing less than the classic tactic of divide and conquer. If something drastic doesn't happen soon I'm afraid the tinder box we are sitting on will go up in flames.

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Good thread, very well put patriot!

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Events are getting worse by the day. Federal employees have allegedly been given directive to "make life difficult." Do these employees not realize what they're doing? Are they so afraid of losing their jobs that they will contribute to the downfall of our country? Why don't any of them stand up and say I refuse to treat the citizens of our country in this fashion?

It appears more and more everyday that the Feds have no plans whatsoever to stop this impasse and are pushing for the absolute worst to happen. It's very alarming when foreigners think they are under arrest when visiting national parks! We are becoming more polarized by the second. My only hope is that people will start waking up to what is really going on, which is nothing less than the classic tactic of divide and conquer. If something drastic doesn't happen soon I'm afraid the tinder box we are sitting on will go up in flames.

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It's not a tinder box my friend, it's a powder keg with the fuse already lit- you're right, the Feds have no plans except to fan the flame- that's why the keep pushing and pushing the American people. I never thought I would see this happen. Before and viable education can be implemented- there is a huge house to be cleaned...thoroughly.
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Events are getting worse by the day. Federal employees have allegedly been given directive to "make life difficult." Do these employees not realize what they're doing? Are they so afraid of losing their jobs that they will contribute to the downfall of our country? Why don't any of them stand up and say I refuse to treat the citizens of our country in this fashion?

It appears more and more everyday that the Feds have no plans whatsoever to stop this impasse and are pushing for the absolute worst to happen. It's very alarming when foreigners think they are under arrest when visiting national parks! We are becoming more polarized by the second. My only hope is that people will start waking up to what is really going on, which is nothing less than the classic tactic of divide and conquer. If something drastic doesn't happen soon I'm afraid the tinder box we are sitting on will go up in flames.

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 Quoting: Sol Neman


It's not a tinder box my friend, it's a powder keg with the fuse already lit- you're right, the Feds have no plans except to fan the flame- that's why the keep pushing and pushing the American people. I never thought I would see this happen. Before and viable education can be implemented- there is a huge house to be cleaned...thoroughly.
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Unfortunately, I think you may be right. It's an incredibly sad state of affairs to say the least....
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Events are getting worse by the day. Federal employees have allegedly been given directive to "make life difficult." Do these employees not realize what they're doing? Are they so afraid of losing their jobs that they will contribute to the downfall of our country? Why don't any of them stand up and say I refuse to treat the citizens of our country in this fashion?

It appears more and more everyday that the Feds have no plans whatsoever to stop this impasse and are pushing for the absolute worst to happen. It's very alarming when foreigners think they are under arrest when visiting national parks! We are becoming more polarized by the second. My only hope is that people will start waking up to what is really going on, which is nothing less than the classic tactic of divide and conquer. If something drastic doesn't happen soon I'm afraid the tinder box we are sitting on will go up in flames.

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 Quoting: Sol Neman


It's not a tinder box my friend, it's a powder keg with the fuse already lit- you're right, the Feds have no plans except to fan the flame- that's why the keep pushing and pushing the American people. I never thought I would see this happen. Before and viable education can be implemented- there is a huge house to be cleaned...thoroughly.
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I second that motion.
ALL elected officials placed their left hand on the Holy Bible and SWORE upon the Word of God to perform their duties in accordance . If they did not falter from that action, we would be fine. This simple action defines who We The People really are..We must hold them ALL accountable.
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The "sides" are purposeful to keep the sheep from all standing under one banner called the constitution.IF THAT HAPPENED, THERE WOULD BE THOUSANDS HANGING FROM TREES OVERNIGHT.

IT IS WORKING FLAWLESSLY.
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These are my original thoughts and though you may not agree with everything I say, I do hope it will get you to think and perhaps lead to civilized discussion. I am not claiming to have all the answers, as I certainly do not, but there are some serious issues in our country and the world right now and we need to change course drastically to avoid ending up where we are headed. What we see occurring, in this time, has all happened before. We are simply repeating the same cycle that has gone on for millennia. If we do not do something different we will end up where we started.

Government should not be involved in every little aspect of our lives. They should not be regulating, mandating, banning or advocating, any action we want to make if that action harms no one but the person that performs it, if it harms them at all.

Government should not be involved in marriage. That is a religious doctrine. Yet we sit here and argue amongst ourselves who has the right to marry whom and what rights you as an individual or pair has when you are married.

Government should not be involved in what you choose to do with your body. Your body is your responsibility. Yet we argue over what you can put into your body or take out of your body. If you choose to poison your body or have a medical procedure performed it matters not to anyone but yourself. Simply because you do not agree with another person’s choice does not give you or the government the right to make the choices for anyone without their consent.

Government should not be involved in what you spend your money on, unless it is absolutely necessary for defense of our nation or true and actual needs of a peaceable society such as infrastructure, law enforcement and public works. It is your money; do with it as you please. Yet we are forced to pay for services, projects and public assistance that are only a perceived need and unwanted by many. On the other side of that, banning the purchase of something is not the responsibility of government or under the purview of anyone but yourself when it does no actual harm to any other person.

Government should not be involved in who you choose to business with or employ. It is your business and it is your choice to succeed or fail in your business choices. If you choose to withhold services or employment from certain individuals that is your prerogative. If you choose to treat your employees or customers badly, that is your choice and they have a choice not to do business with or work for you. Your reputation will precede you and by that alone you will succeed or fail.

Government should not be involved in education. It is your choice to educate yourself and your progeny as you so desire. Whether that be at home or institutionalized is not a responsibility of government. If you choose to remain ignorant on any particular subject that is your choice.

Government should not be involved in many other aspects of our lives and I could fill an entire book on all of those things, but I think you get the idea. Why argue about the choices other people make when it does no harm to anybody but themselves? The perceived harm or needs that we are distracted by daily take our focus off the main issue which is that the government should not be involved in these issues in the first place. These issues are used to manipulate us into thinking government mandates, laws and regulations are absolutely needed or there will be chaos in the streets and to keep us fighting amongst each other, which keeps us distracted from the slow demise of personal liberty and freedom.
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