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DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?

 
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DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?
Since very few people will make it to heaven, I am curious what happens when people die?
Are they sent off summarily to hell without a trial to start eternal torment? or are they kept in a state of rest until Jesus comes back?
I am not clear what the Christian faith teaches on this subject.

some people believe that upon death there is an immediate judgement and immediate sentence.

others believe that the sentence has already been pre-determined and either the angels or the demons already make their way towards the moribund person to escort them to their destination?

others believe that the dead will be kept totally unconscious (even the cremated ones) until Jesus return, and then all their molecules will miraculously be put back together so the person can attend the judgement?

what does the bible think of this very important subject?
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don't worry about it, when your dead your dead
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don't worry about it, when your dead your dead
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What??? no eternal life??
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ifyou are saved you go str8 to heaven..

[2Cr 5:8 KJV] 8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


if your not saved you go str8 to hell.

[Luk 16:22-23 KJV] 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.




so get saved its easy and its free.

Bible way to Heaven
Know your a sinner
Rom 3:23 KJV - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
realize the penalty for Sin..hell
Rev 21:7 KJV - He that overcometh, shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my sonne.
Rev 21:8 KJV - But the feareful, and unbeleeving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone , which is the second death.
Who is he that overcometh?
1Jo 5:5 KJV - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jesus was born of a virgin lived a sinless life, the life that none of us could live, was crucified by hes own people he died and went to hell, rose again on the third day so you do not have to go there...
Rom 5:8 KJV - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Jesus wants to give us the Gift of eternal Life for free!!
Rom 6:23 KJV - For the wages of sin [is] death: but the gift of God [is] eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So call upon him and make him your saviour. its a free gift and once your saved you have passed from death to life... you will live forever..
Jhn 5:24 KJV - Verily, verily I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 KJV - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 KJV - For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him, shall not be ashamed.
Heres a simple prayer which if you mean it with your heart will see you saved and on your way to heaven..
Dear Jesus I know im a sinner , I know i deserve to goto Hell, but I realize you died and rose again please save me and take me to heaven when i die.. im only trusting you Jesus Amen..
Salvation is easy and Free.
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ifyou are saved you go str8 to heaven..

[2Cr 5:8 KJV] 8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


if your not saved you go str8 to hell.

[Luk 16:22-23 KJV] 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.




so get saved its easy and its free.

Bible way to Heaven
Know your a sinner
Rom 3:23 KJV - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
realize the penalty for Sin..hell
Rev 21:7 KJV - He that overcometh, shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my sonne.
Rev 21:8 KJV - But the feareful, and unbeleeving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone , which is the second death.
Who is he that overcometh?
1Jo 5:5 KJV - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jesus was born of a virgin lived a sinless life, the life that none of us could live, was crucified by hes own people he died and went to hell, rose again on the third day so you do not have to go there...
Rom 5:8 KJV - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Jesus wants to give us the Gift of eternal Life for free!!
Rom 6:23 KJV - For the wages of sin [is] death: but the gift of God [is] eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So call upon him and make him your saviour. its a free gift and once your saved you have passed from death to life... you will live forever..
Jhn 5:24 KJV - Verily, verily I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 KJV - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 KJV - For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him, shall not be ashamed.
Heres a simple prayer which if you mean it with your heart will see you saved and on your way to heaven..
Dear Jesus I know im a sinner , I know i deserve to goto Hell, but I realize you died and rose again please save me and take me to heaven when i die.. im only trusting you Jesus Amen..
Salvation is easy and Free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47710272


so what about the Judgement??
if people are immediately despatched to their eternal destination at the point of death, what is the point of God's judgement day??
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i think when u dead, u stay dead until judgement day... thats when God send u to hell or heaven, depend how good u are back then in life.
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i think when u dead, u stay dead until judgement day... thats when God send u to hell or heaven, depend how good u are back then in life.
 Quoting: aqmah


uhmm!!! I don't think this is correct either.
imagine if you died 5000 years ago in a bush fire and ALL your molecules were cremated destroyed by the fire and nothing is left....no body and no soul...nothing.
how will the judgement take place thousands and thousands of years later?
imagine being charged of a crime you may have committed thousands of years earlier? how can you defend yourself if you can't possibly remember the details?

and how can you remember what you did 10,000 years ago???
it's just not fair and totally implausible.
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The Bible states that when one dies they "sleep" awaiting the resurrection(s). No one is yet judged or in heaven or the lake of fire. The Bible is very explicit on this!
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Do you not believe that God the Creator can NOT re create the one He created AGAIN? Do you think you can put limitations on God!
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You go straight to hell. Think of it like jail before sentencing. Then comes the Judgment. At this point you will stand before God to give a personal account of every sin you have ever committed, which you will be accountable for, to then be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity.
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i think when u dead, u stay dead until judgement day... thats when God send u to hell or heaven, depend how good u are back then in life.
 Quoting: aqmah


uhmm!!! I don't think this is correct either.
imagine if you died 5000 years ago in a bush fire and ALL your molecules were cremated destroyed by the fire and nothing is left....no body and no soul...nothing.
how will the judgement take place thousands and thousands of years later?
imagine being charged of a crime you may have committed thousands of years earlier? how can you defend yourself if you can't possibly remember the details?

and how can you remember what you did 10,000 years ago???
it's just not fair and totally implausible.
 Quoting: MBECCU 47784500


no no... you will remember your sins, death is like sleeping, your soul will wake up when judgement day starts... people at that time are all souls, because physical body of all humans will gone and their souls will go up to God Court in heavens to face their judgement. no more earth no more physical bodies.
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Whats funny is the hell passage comment doesnt
make no sense what so ever.

What makes you think god wants you to go to heaven anyway?
It says in the bible we were mistakes, he would
even destroy us? Just because someone claim they
were jesus/god means we all get into heaven free card?

Why would he go through all that trouble to send
us to hell, why not just blink us out of existence?
whats the point of him carrying out this trouble
to torture us?

If hell/jesus/heaven was soo important, why
didnt they devote the entire book to that only?
instead of rape/violence/incest?
In the book they rarely speak of "heaven", was that
cough* cough*ahem edited in to book later on, so they
can bring in more believers?
Its like hell, they rarely speak of it either,
unlike christians took advantage of it to gain
more followers, they were the ones that demonized
teh bible the way it is now.

Can someone actually answer my question without
actually blaming or cause of god or twisting
the words of the bible? Use some logic of some sort?
maybe your brains?
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Since very few people will make it to heaven, I am curious what happens when people die?
Are they sent off summarily to hell without a trial to start eternal torment? or are they kept in a state of rest until Jesus comes back?
I am not clear what the Christian faith teaches on this subject.

some people believe that upon death there is an immediate judgement and immediate sentence.

others believe that the sentence has already been pre-determined and either the angels or the demons already make their way towards the moribund person to escort them to their destination?

others believe that the dead will be kept totally unconscious (even the cremated ones) until Jesus return, and then all their molecules will miraculously be put back together so the person can attend the judgement?

what does the bible think of this very important subject?
 Quoting: MBECCU 47784500


Its like this...

God is omnipotent..

all knowing and all seeing.

He knew long before he created anyone that billions of beings he was about to create were destined to be tortured by being burnt alive forever by him in a place he created JUST for that purpose.

GOD PLANNED hell.

If He did not he is not all knowing.

He is also a TORTURE expert and has seen to it that the people in hell suffer to the UTMOST every second of their eternity..

being so compassionate and merciful God also saw to it that there would be NO correction there..

NO rehab..

and NO WAY OUT..

a Just and fair "Punishment of eternal duration for the mere sin of being created and born into a world where life generally sux..

followed by an even more suckful eternity.

But Jesus DIED to save us from this place he INTENDED us to go to..

the place HE created to roast the vast majority of people alive in unbearable agony forever.

He died to save us from HIS JUSTICE..

to save us from HIMSELF really..

after all..

HE RUNS and MAINTAINS HELL..

PLUS..

he created every torture device there..

HE creates the flames by the word of his mouth..

HE knows every bit of agony that goes on there..

and all those there DESERVE it..f

or being born HUMAN..

in a fucked up crazy loveless world with about 20 million religions to choose and confuse..

But if we choose wrong..with our very LIMITED understanding of life or eternity..

sorry..

but you have to BURN.

Also..

if you are born into a religion like islam or Bhuddism or some such..

YOU WILL BURN as well..

for DARING to be born to the wrong culture..

wrong parents..

and wrong religion..

even though GOD chooses who gets born to who and where..

cause if he did NOT choose..

and you are born by MISTAKE into the wrong religion..then God is not all KNOWING and NOT in control at all.

This worlds justice system..

while unfair in a lot of cases usually fits the punishment to the crime.

You speed..

you get a fine..

you steal..

you get a bigger fine and locked away for a bit..

you kill..

you get locked away for a fair while..

But Gods justice system is the opposite..

You steal..

you get tortured forever without mercy..

You swear even..

same result..

you do anything wrong no matter how big or small..

and its TORTURE TIME!!!!

God has one punishment for all..

ETERNAL TORTURE with NO PAROLE..

MERCY..

SYMPATHY..

COMPASSION..

REHABILITATION..

OR LET UP...

And HIS ways are supposed to above OURS?

How many fathers on earth would torture their kids for the rest of their lives for stealing a cookie from the cookie jar?

NONE..

except the really fucked up ones who DO get locked awy for doing it..

But when GOD does it..

we honor him and build churches in his name...

But THIS is what is taught...let me break it down some more to its ILLOGICAL conclusion...



God created satan..

and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin into being..

so GOD..

being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..

MUST HAVE PLANNED it..

cause if he did NOT..

he is not all KNOWING..

and if he is not all KNOWING..

he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..

just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE and could NOT see the future..

didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..making a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake..

which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..

the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..

and this plan..

according to MOST CHRISTIANS..

included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..

especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE..

by creating a being that would BRING it to be..

and who ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL...be called LOVE and ALL KNOWING and have things said about him like "HIS MERCY endrues FOREVER...

WHEN ITS CLEAR IT DOES NOT?

Besides..

he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..

NO MORE CRYING..

that ALL those things..

pain..

sorrow..

death..

agony..

will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..AND he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Have you ever stopped..and wondered... what dark sadistic thoughts of dark sinister glee and joy passed through gods mind as he thought up and invented every torture device in hell(It would take a VERY dark and evil mind to even think of those things,,let alone IMPLEMENT THEM)..and then, looking forward through time, saw his ghastly creation in full effect on trillions of helplessly screaming beings he was just about to bring into being KNOWING they were all headed for the plce HE created for them to BURN IN.

Nice plan eh?..and thats not good news..its pure EVIL.

But its FREE WILL you say..

Whats FREE about it?

If I was to hold a gun to your head and tell you to be my friend and love me...would that be a FREE choice..seeing as the penalty for saying NO to my wonderful offer is to have your brains blown out?

Thats what they SAY that God says to us..but worse..take his offer or be satanically and sadistically tortured without mercy, pity, compassion or letup forver and ever.

So much for free will.


But then you might say people are only angry at god because they know deep down whats coming to them...

How can anyone KNOW whats coming to them?

Has God showed everyone on earth whats on the other side?

NO he hasnt..and he never will.

What we DO have is about 50,000 + religions all saying something different and all contradicting eachother and all with a different ending..so how is THAT God showing everyone whats coming to them?

Just like God I have children myself and they love me, not because I threaten to beat the shit outta them when they stuff up..but because I am fair and loving and never let a moment pass without thinking of their wellbeing and loving them.

Our father in heaven, being the perfect parent, MUST be by defenition WAY more caring and thoughtful and loving and fair and compassionate than I could ever be.

Now..if I was to be JUST LIKE the God that the vast majority of christians preach.....I would always be yelling at my children..always be criticizing every mistake they make and flogging the absolute CRAP outta them when they fail.

And when they rebell..as kids under those circumstances WOULD do..I would capture them and begin to skin them alive real slow..and turn a deaf ear to their screams for mercy as I pour boiling sulphur all over them.

THATS what the God currently taught in christianity is PORTRAYED as...a harsh torture loving unfair beast with zero compassion and bugger all mercy.

So lets get something straight about god ONCE and for all and STOP THIS EVIL SATANIC SLANDER of LOVE ITSELF.

God IS LOVE and IN HIM there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL..NONE!!!...he is NOT an unfair sadistic BLACKMAILING TORTURE LOVING TYRANT..nor DOES HE HAVE ANY DARKNESS IN HIM AT ALL..AND FOR HIM TO CREATE HELL WITH ALL ITS AGONY AND MERCILESSLY RUTHLESS TORTURE, WOULD TAKE A REAL BLACK MERCILESS HEART TO NOT ONLY CREATE IT..BUT TO RUN IT AND TURN A BLIND EYE TO THE AGONISING SCREAMS OF BILLIONS..BILLIONS THAT INCLUDE OUR PARENTS..OUR SIBLINGS..OUR GRANDPARENTS..OUR CHILDREN..all OUR LOVED ONES TORTURED WITHOUT MERCY, LETUP, COMPASSION, PITY, OR REMORE.

And last I heard he said his mercy endures forever..

Where oh where is the MERCY in burning BILLONS of his beings..beings HE KNEW WELL IN ADVANCE would be going there?

YET STILL..you say he brought them into being..ONLY TO TORTURE THEM FOREVER.??

THATS THE LIE..he is NOT A MERCILESS BASTARD.

THE TRUTH..is that he is WHAT he SAYS he is..which is LOVE.

Yes..he does have justice..but its FAIR..and people DO reap what they sow to the MEASURE they sowed it...not a stipe more.

It said in the bible that those who KNEW the truth but didnt do it..will receive many blows..NOT INFINITE blows..and those who did NOT know the truth and did wrong..would recieve FEW blows.(But they STILL get blows)..ALL reap what they sow..IN JUSTICE and fairness.

ALL get judged ACCORDING to their works..NOWHERE in the bible does it say we are judged according to whether we are christians or not.
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Theres a interesting passage in their
where everyone is judged. Did people
forget that one?
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Since very few people will make it to heaven, I am curious what happens when people die?
Are they sent off summarily to hell without a trial to start eternal torment? or are they kept in a state of rest until Jesus comes back?
I am not clear what the Christian faith teaches on this subject.

some people believe that upon death there is an immediate judgement and immediate sentence.

others believe that the sentence has already been pre-determined and either the angels or the demons already make their way towards the moribund person to escort them to their destination?

others believe that the dead will be kept totally unconscious (even the cremated ones) until Jesus return, and then all their molecules will miraculously be put back together so the person can attend the judgement?

what does the bible think of this very important subject?
 Quoting: MBECCU 47784500


Its like this...

God is omnipotent..

all knowing and all seeing.

He knew long before he created anyone that billions of beings he was about to create were destined to be tortured by being burnt alive forever by him in a place he created JUST for that purpose.

GOD PLANNED hell.

If He did not he is not all knowing.

He is also a TORTURE expert and has seen to it that the people in hell suffer to the UTMOST every second of their eternity..

being so compassionate and merciful God also saw to it that there would be NO correction there..

NO rehab..

and NO WAY OUT..

a Just and fair "Punishment of eternal duration for the mere sin of being created and born into a world where life generally sux..

followed by an even more suckful eternity.

But Jesus DIED to save us from this place he INTENDED us to go to..

the place HE created to roast the vast majority of people alive in unbearable agony forever.

He died to save us from HIS JUSTICE..

to save us from HIMSELF really..

after all..

HE RUNS and MAINTAINS HELL..

PLUS..

he created every torture device there..

HE creates the flames by the word of his mouth..

HE knows every bit of agony that goes on there..

and all those there DESERVE it..f

or being born HUMAN..

in a fucked up crazy loveless world with about 20 million religions to choose and confuse..

But if we choose wrong..with our very LIMITED understanding of life or eternity..

sorry..

but you have to BURN.

Also..

if you are born into a religion like islam or Bhuddism or some such..

YOU WILL BURN as well..

for DARING to be born to the wrong culture..

wrong parents..

and wrong religion..

even though GOD chooses who gets born to who and where..

cause if he did NOT choose..

and you are born by MISTAKE into the wrong religion..then God is not all KNOWING and NOT in control at all.

This worlds justice system..

while unfair in a lot of cases usually fits the punishment to the crime.

You speed..

you get a fine..

you steal..

you get a bigger fine and locked away for a bit..

you kill..

you get locked away for a fair while..

But Gods justice system is the opposite..

You steal..

you get tortured forever without mercy..

You swear even..

same result..

you do anything wrong no matter how big or small..

and its TORTURE TIME!!!!

God has one punishment for all..

ETERNAL TORTURE with NO PAROLE..

MERCY..

SYMPATHY..

COMPASSION..

REHABILITATION..

OR LET UP...

And HIS ways are supposed to above OURS?

How many fathers on earth would torture their kids for the rest of their lives for stealing a cookie from the cookie jar?

NONE..

except the really fucked up ones who DO get locked awy for doing it..

But when GOD does it..

we honor him and build churches in his name...

But THIS is what is taught...let me break it down some more to its ILLOGICAL conclusion...



God created satan..

and he KNEW BEFORE he created satan that satan WOULD bring sin into being..

so GOD..

being in ULTIMATE CONTROL of everything..

MUST HAVE PLANNED it..

cause if he did NOT..

he is not all KNOWING..

and if he is not all KNOWING..

he is NOT GOD ALMIGHTY..

just god..a LITTLE bit mighty..

Plus IF God created satan and DIDNT KNOW satan would create sin..then GOD MADE A MISTAKE and could NOT see the future..

didnt he?

But who ever heard of a being who knows EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE..making a MISTAKE?

So if he DIDNT MAKE a mistake..

which is IMPOSSIBLE for an ALL KNOWING BEING to do..

the he MUST have PLANNED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT FROM THE START..

and this plan..

according to MOST CHRISTIANS..

included creating a place to torture TRILLIONS of BEINGS he KNEW IN ADVANCE would reject him...

SO ITS PLANNED SADISM...

But we all know that TORTURE is EVIL..

especially torture without end..

So how can GOD who is ALL KNOWING and ALMIGHTY who PLANNED SIN to BE..

by creating a being that would BRING it to be..

and who ALSO have planned the ULTIMATE EVIL...be called LOVE and ALL KNOWING and have things said about him like "HIS MERCY endrues FOREVER...

WHEN ITS CLEAR IT DOES NOT?

Besides..

he says there will be NO MORE TEARS..

NO MORE CRYING..

that ALL those things..

pain..

sorrow..

death..

agony..

will BE NO MORE..

SO HOW can this be TRUE if TRILLIONS OF BEINGS are going to be spending ETERNITY DOING JUST THAT?

So this being who is LOVE>.who CANT LIE..TOLD A LIE??

GET your FACTS straight chritians..either GOD makes mistakes..AND he is a liar..and THUS the most evil SADIST in history..

OR YOU ARE ALL WRONG ABOUT HIM!
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Jesus mate!
you put it better than I ever could.hesright

and I won't even mention the earthly life time torment of a nagging wife he chose for me personally, since all marriages are made in heaven.
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Either way if they love evil.


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MBECCU (OP)
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10/03/2013 07:22 AM
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Things that have puzzled me are :

1. this creator god of the Torah and of the Bible, Yahweh/Jesus....claims that he is pure love and loves us so much that he even incarnated himself as a human man so he can die as an expiation for our sins.

2. but why has he created us and kept us in such a primitive state , just like animals??? I mean, he never showed us anything....he never showed us how to build a simple house, or how to make electricity, or teach us any skills, or how to cure cancers or diseases, or how to heal a sick child or even just simply tell us about DNA, or how the genes work? absolutely nothing....
we received no knowledge whatsoever on any subjects...
and yet the first sign of love towards someone or a baby is teaching him what we know so that their lives will be improved by our knowledge..
that's why us humans have devised the school system so that we can pass on our knowledge to our children.

yet God purposely set out to keep us ignorant and in extreme life hardship (sadistically??)

3. he NEVER made contact with us.....why not???
our intelligence is insulted by those who claim that he speaks to us via prophets.... Why prophets?? they are just humans like us....so if god can speak to prophets why not speak to each of us individually so we can know him and love him according to our experience of our personal relationship?
why do we have to accept the concocted stories of "prophets" as being from god?
this system of communication thru prophets is the very sole cause of the confusion of religions and belief systems in the world.
why would god create such confusion if he was indeed real??
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10/03/2013 07:26 AM
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Either way if they love evil.


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 Quoting: Once4All


If jesus said this......

"Come to me I love you I want to be your friend, and there is NO pressure from me about all this..you dont have to be my friend if you dont want to be, and there will be no penalty if you choose not to be..I will understand..I am a gentleman and compassionate and understand your nature and what hurts you and drives you..I will wait patiently for you if you like..I have so much to show you and just want to give you a big hug and tell you how much I love you"

Id be there in a moment..WHO could restst love and frienship like that?


But its sadly not like that..(According to christians and catholics)

What he says instead is...

"Come to me, I love you, I want to be your friend and there is HEAPS of pressure from me about all this..you HAVE to be my friend, cause if you dont want to be there will torture and screaming and agony and pain for you without mercy or compassion or letup FOREVER.. if you choose not to be..I will understand and will simply have you burnt alive..I am a gentleman and compassionate and understand your nature and what hurts you and drives you, and thats why I created HELL to torture you in if you dont want to be my friend...I made sure it HURTS really bad and that it drags on forever and I will never hear your screams of untold agony.....so I will wait patiently for you if you like..I have so much to show you and just want to give you a big hug and tell you how much I love you...BUT IF YOU DONT HURRY UP ABOUT IT its BURN YOU ALIVE FOREVER TIME..no pressure..really..."
fhlc nli
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10/03/2013 07:35 AM
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Re: DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?
Oh i see the lying deciver and rewriter of the bible is posting here, no surprise. OP if you want an answer to some of your question look up my latest quotes to the obsessed man from oz.
To the liar and thief, and murderer, for if you hate your brother, that is what you are , so sad, but you are a text book case for obsession beyond the norm, possesed is an accurate description.
Blessings in YAHshua/Jesus.
The Golden Man in the Moon
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10/03/2013 07:35 AM
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Re: DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?
Since very few people will make it to heaven, I am curious what happens when people die?
Are they sent off summarily to hell without a trial to start eternal torment? or are they kept in a state of rest until Jesus comes back?
I am not clear what the Christian faith teaches on this subject.

some people believe that upon death there is an immediate judgement and immediate sentence.

others believe that the sentence has already been pre-determined and either the angels or the demons already make their way towards the moribund person to escort them to their destination?

others believe that the dead will be kept totally unconscious (even the cremated ones) until Jesus return, and then all their molecules will miraculously be put back together so the person can attend the judgement?

what does the bible think of this very important subject?
 Quoting: MBECCU 47784500


Hell is after judgment day, when "Jesus" is here... all who's name isn't found in the Lambs book of life, finish in hell, walking the plank into the lake of fire where they are consumed by eternal fire...

And those who's name was written in the book of life may drink of the fountain of youth... the fountain of destiny.



Coming soon...
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10/03/2013 07:40 AM
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Oh i see the lying deciver and rewriter of the bible is posting here, no surprise. OP if you want an answer to some of your question look up my latest quotes to the obsessed man from oz.
To the liar and thief, and murderer, for if you hate your brother, that is what you are , so sad, but you are a text book case for obsession beyond the norm, possesed is an accurate description.
Blessings in YAHshua/Jesus.
 Quoting: fhlc nli 47801306


There is nothing evil about being passionate for the truth and being concernedfor thsheep the wolves love to savage and kill.

Nor do I HATE people.

But HYPOCRISY is what I DO hate,,espcially evil hypocrisy.

Soon..the false chruch falls.

Mystery babylon crumbles.

This is just the beginning.

You have NO idea who I am..waht my purpose is..of which side you are truly on.

BE on the side of LOVE..because the harvest is upon you.

The tares and the wheat..will shortly be gathered..together.
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10/03/2013 07:46 AM
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Oh i see the lying deciver and rewriter of the bible is posting here, no surprise. OP if you want an answer to some of your question look up my latest quotes to the obsessed man from oz.
To the liar and thief, and murderer, for if you hate your brother, that is what you are , so sad, but you are a text book case for obsession beyond the norm, possesed is an accurate description.
Blessings in YAHshua/Jesus.
 Quoting: fhlc nli 47801306


There is nothing evil about being passionate for the truth and being concernedfor thsheep the wolves love to savage and kill.

Nor do I HATE people.

But HYPOCRISY is what I DO hate,,espcially evil hypocrisy.

Soon..the false chruch falls.

Mystery babylon crumbles.

This is just the beginning.

You have NO idea who I am..waht my purpose is..of which side you are truly on.

BE on the side of LOVE..because the harvest is upon you.

The tares and the wheat..will shortly be gathered..together.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47799228


O yes i do, your own words, attitudes and behaviour tell me what and who you are. as to your statement, it sounds like it applies to others not yourself.
MBECCU (OP)
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Oh i see the lying deciver and rewriter of the bible is posting here, no surprise. OP if you want an answer to some of your question look up my latest quotes to the obsessed man from oz.
To the liar and thief, and murderer, for if you hate your brother, that is what you are , so sad, but you are a text book case for obsession beyond the norm, possesed is an accurate description.
Blessings in YAHshua/Jesus.
 Quoting: fhlc nli 47801306


There is nothing evil about being passionate for the truth and being concernedfor thsheep the wolves love to savage and kill.

Nor do I HATE people.

But HYPOCRISY is what I DO hate,,espcially evil hypocrisy.

Soon..the false chruch falls.

Mystery babylon crumbles.

This is just the beginning.

You have NO idea who I am..waht my purpose is..of which side you are truly on.

BE on the side of LOVE..because the harvest is upon you.

The tares and the wheat..will shortly be gathered..together.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47799228


O yes i do, your own words, attitudes and behaviour tell me what and who you are. as to your statement, it sounds like it applies to others not yourself.
 Quoting: fhlc nli 47801306


I also believe that is nothing wrong in questioning the veracity and plausibility of Christian churches doctrines that has been shoved down people's throats for the past 2000 years. and the old testaments Torah books that also have kept the jewish people in bondage.

we have a peculiar situation where this Yahweeh/Jesus god claims to be the god of creation.

he claims to be the ONLY true god of the universe and yet he is only concerned with a very tiny tiny segment of humanity, Israel...

He has NEVER shown any interest in the rest of humanity or all the other races of people on the face of the Earth...the blacks, the chinese, the Indians, the aborigines....they are totally irrelevant to him.

the only times he mentions any other nations in the Torah, is only in the context of contempt and hate for them and only to exort his people of Israel to go and kill them conquer them, rape their women and take then as slaves.

I wonder to myself what kind of evil god is this that we are dealing with??

and what are the Christian sects doing getting involved in adopting this evil god as their own? when it clearly is not.
and what are they doing usurping the old testament books ( the Torah) which has nothing to do with them?

if these books and this doctrine is totally false, as I think it is, then the christians have done a tremendous amount of irreparable damage to the millions of people who have been forcibly converted to this evil religion (conquistadores, inquisition, evangelical proselytizing of natives etc).
and the leaders of this church have used these false doctrines and shear fear of going to an eternal hell as the tool to keep them scared, afraid and oppressed and totally dependent on the church for salvation.
Anonymous Coward
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10/03/2013 09:13 AM
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Re: DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?
The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters

and are very clear without doubt

When a soul leaves this world

it will go to what you call Hell, TO BE PURIFIED from the filth you put upon it by your evil thoughts speech and actions, THIS IS ONLY FOR A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FOR MOST PEOPLE.



In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, this place of cleansing is called "Gehenom"


In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell,

Then the soul will appear before the supernal court and they will decide whether its best for you to return down here in this world

or stay "upstairs"



In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell, from the hell called "Avadon" the souls descend but because of their wickedness
they never rise from there.

VERY FEW SOULS GO THAT LOW

for most souls , in less then a year in terms of our time
in relation to theirs, they leave "Gehenom" (Hell)

and Must appear before the Supernal court


read all about some real souls and what happened,

from my teacher's teachers work

He did aiding these souls between world in

REAL LIFE

[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]
Anonymous Coward
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10/03/2013 09:37 AM
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Re: DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS?
The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters

and are very clear without doubt

When a soul leaves this world

it will go to what you call Hell, TO BE PURIFIED from the filth you put upon it by your evil thoughts speech and actions, THIS IS ONLY FOR A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FOR MOST PEOPLE.



In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, this place of cleansing is called "Gehenom"


In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell,

Then the soul will appear before the supernal court and they will decide whether its best for you to return down here in this world

or stay "upstairs"



In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell, from the hell called "Avadon" the souls descend but because of their wickedness
they never rise from there.

VERY FEW SOULS GO THAT LOW

for most souls , in less then a year in terms of our time
in relation to theirs, they leave "Gehenom" (Hell)

and Must appear before the Supernal court


read all about some real souls and what happened,

from my teacher's teachers work

He did aiding these souls between world in

REAL LIFE

[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47809434


You eh, seem to be refering to the torah, the book in which 'god' also permits rabbis to fuck kids. If there is a hell it would be full of the preachers of this kind of shit.
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The Bible states that when one dies they "sleep" awaiting the resurrection(s). No one is yet judged or in heaven or the lake of fire. The Bible is very explicit on this!
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hahahaha tell that to all the people that claim they had NDEs and went to heaven and saw their dead loved ones and jesus

God i love the stupidity of christians.
Debunking "Evolution Vs God"
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MBECCU (OP)
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10/03/2013 10:15 AM
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The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters

and are very clear without doubt


When a soul leaves this world......

[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47809434


I am trying to find answers from outside the Torah and the Bible.
these books pertain only to Israel and the jewish people.
there are another 6 billion human beings whom the god of the Torah never bothered to address or acknowledge....unless only in the context of denigrating them, and inciting his people of Israel to kill them, rape their women and take them as slaves...

you can have this evil blood thirsty god....
and if you have any brains, you would work out for yourself that after all that he says, you are not even his beloved people because history shows that he never lifted a finger to get you out of your disastrous predicaments.
true??
and the same goes for our Christian counterparts which Jesus gladly allowed to be fed to the lions and to this days allows unscrupulous priests and pastors to rape children and buy indulgences and take tithes to pay for a ticket to eternal salvation.
the truth B known
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Wrong and wrong again. The people hang out in the penalty box with the dinosaurs until the final Groundhog's Day.
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If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie.
MBECCU (OP)
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Wrong and wrong again. The people hang out in the penalty box with the dinosaurs until the final Groundhog's Day.
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:) :) I was curious to see which contradicting version of the bible Christians prefer to adopt.
Typical of the bible, it always contradicts itself that's why all these doctrinal arguments and confusion/

on one hand the bible says that the souls of the dead sleep until the resurrection and judgement day,
then on another hand Jesus tells the thief on the cross : verily verily I promise you that this day you shall be with me in paradise....this statement means that the business of paradise was already up and running in order for the thief to be admitted on that same day??

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