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DO PEOPLE GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE? OR WHEN JESUS RETURNS? | |
| SoulWinner User ID: 908525  United States10/03/2013 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47809434 and are very clear without doubt When a soul leaves this world...... [link to godssecret.wordpress.com] I am trying to find answers from outside the Torah and the Bible. these books pertain only to Israel and the jewish people. there are another 6 billion human beings whom the god of the Torah never bothered to address or acknowledge....unless only in the context of denigrating them, and inciting his people of Israel to kill them, rape their women and take them as slaves... you can have this evil blood thirsty god.... and if you have any brains, you would work out for yourself that after all that he says, you are not even his beloved people because history shows that he never lifted a finger to get you out of your disastrous predicaments. true?? and the same goes for our Christian counterparts which Jesus gladly allowed to be fed to the lions and to this days allows unscrupulous priests and pastors to rape children and buy indulgences and take tithes to pay for a ticket to eternal salvation. You misunderstand the sovereignty of God. |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 47784500  Australia10/03/2013 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie. Quoting: Truthhappened see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47811208  Germany10/03/2013 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i think when u dead, u stay dead until judgement day... thats when God send u to hell or heaven, depend how good u are back then in life. Quoting: aqmah uhmm!!! I don't think this is correct either. imagine if you died 5000 years ago in a bush fire and ALL your molecules were cremated destroyed by the fire and nothing is left....no body and no soul...nothing. how will the judgement take place thousands and thousands of years later? imagine being charged of a crime you may have committed thousands of years earlier? how can you defend yourself if you can't possibly remember the details? and how can you remember what you did 10,000 years ago??? it's just not fair and totally implausible. The magnetic field is the best evidence for this all live that is on earth has the same resonance frequency of the brain as the magnet field of earth ~7 herz And i believe this works like a magnetic harddrive where it records all live that were or is on earth right know. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47673742 United States10/03/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since very few people will make it to heaven, I am curious what happens when people die? Quoting: MBECCU 47784500 Are they sent off summarily to hell without a trial to start eternal torment? or are they kept in a state of rest until Jesus comes back? I am not clear what the Christian faith teaches on this subject. some people believe that upon death there is an immediate judgement and immediate sentence. others believe that the sentence has already been pre-determined and either the angels or the demons already make their way towards the moribund person to escort them to their destination? others believe that the dead will be kept totally unconscious (even the cremated ones) until Jesus return, and then all their molecules will miraculously be put back together so the person can attend the judgement? what does the bible think of this very important subject? ***** "People" are hosts only to two spirits 1) they are demon infested and return to the pits of hell, or 2) they are known by the Greatest father in heaven before the foundations of earth they also return home in heaven. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47809434  Israel10/03/2013 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47809434 and are very clear without doubt When a soul leaves this world it will go to what you call Hell, TO BE PURIFIED from the filth you put upon it by your evil thoughts speech and actions, THIS IS ONLY FOR A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME FOR MOST PEOPLE. In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, this place of cleansing is called "Gehenom" In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell, Then the soul will appear before the supernal court and they will decide whether its best for you to return down here in this world or stay "upstairs" In the Bible in its original language, Hebrew, there are 2 main names for what you call Hell, from the hell called "Avadon" the souls descend but because of their wickedness they never rise from there. VERY FEW SOULS GO THAT LOW for most souls , in less then a year in terms of our time in relation to theirs, they leave "Gehenom" (Hell) and Must appear before the Supernal court read all about some real souls and what happened, from my teacher's teachers work He did aiding these souls between world in REAL LIFE [link to godssecret.wordpress.com] You eh, seem to be refering to the torah, the book in which 'god' also permits rabbis to fuck kids. If there is a hell it would be full of the preachers of this kind of shit. The only place "'god' also permits rabbis to fuck kids." is in your mind The rabbis are not the ones fucking kids in mass (large quantity. Rabbis are married and have sex with their wives Its another religion that preaches celibacy, and it they who are regularly fucking kids. What can you expect , its the opposite of the Bible's first command "be fruitful and mutiply" it aint the rabbis to fucking the kids. You are very confused |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47809434 Israel10/03/2013 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The answers to the questions that you seek are known matters Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47809434 and are very clear without doubt When a soul leaves this world...... [link to godssecret.wordpress.com] I am trying to find answers from outside the Torah and the Bible. these books pertain only to Israel and the jewish people. there are another 6 billion human beings whom the god of the Torah never bothered to address or acknowledge....unless only in the context of denigrating them, and inciting his people of Israel to kill them, rape their women and take them as slaves... you can have this evil blood thirsty god.... and if you have any brains, you would work out for yourself that after all that he says, you are not even his beloved people because history shows that he never lifted a finger to get you out of your disastrous predicaments. true?? and the same goes for our Christian counterparts which Jesus gladly allowed to be fed to the lions and to this days allows unscrupulous priests and pastors to rape children and buy indulgences and take tithes to pay for a ticket to eternal salvation. You misunderstand the sovereignty of God. The Bible addresses the issues of all Human beings and the nation of Isreal in particular " he never lifted a finger" 6 million Hebrews now in the land gathered from Ethiopia to China "get you out of your disastrous predicaments" Why should he all they work for they get WHAT YOU AND MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND AS ITS NOT ABOUT "PHYSICAL" BODIES IF THAT ALL YOU LOOK AT THEN YOU MISS THE "BIG PICTURE" Go to the link and learn ALOT |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 47784500 Australia10/03/2013 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5946094 and this was said 2000 years ago..... when Jesus declared that the world was flat and had 4 corners... and it is perplexing that today, with all the knowledge we have acquired despite the misinformation of the bible, people still believe that it is possible and plausible that a person appearing in New York could possibly be visible in Sydney at the same moment??? just think about it?? doesn't it sound stupid to you? and don't you feel silly for even repeating this nonsense withought any thought? |
Truthhappened  User ID: 37526805 United States10/03/2013 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie. Quoting: Truthhappened see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos But then again, you're just a troll... |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 47784500 Australia10/03/2013 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible addresses the issues of all Human beings and the nation of Isreal in particular " he never lifted a finger" WHAT YOU AND MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND AS ITS NOT ABOUT "PHYSICAL" BODIES IF THAT ALL YOU LOOK AT THEN YOU MISS THE "BIG PICTURE" Go to the link and learn ALOT and just what is the big picture? just imagine that I am a native of the island of Bantam in Indonesia. and my ancestors have lived here for the last 40,000 years....and never ever heard or seen this jewish god Yahweeh of the bible. can you tell me were and how this god of yours has ever shown any concern about the people native of this Indonesian archipelago? and why he sent so many prophets to Israel but NOT ONE to any other lands? |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 47784500 Australia10/03/2013 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie. Quoting: Truthhappened see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos But then again, you're just a troll... I have done my own study and my own research and I am confused. you state with certainty that the bible says that a dead person remains dead until resurrection. yet other Christians have read the same bible and are adamant that it says that when they die they go straight to heaven. even Jesus told the thief on the cross that "verily verily this day you shall be with me in paradise" so are you still adamant that your interpretation is correct? and Jesus was wrong? |
| Truthhappened User ID: 37526805 United States10/03/2013 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie. Quoting: Truthhappened see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos But then again, you're just a troll... I have done my own study and my own research and I am confused. you state with certainty that the bible says that a dead person remains dead until resurrection. yet other Christians have read the same bible and are adamant that it says that when they die they go straight to heaven. even Jesus told the thief on the cross that "verily verily this day you shall be with me in paradise" so are you still adamant that your interpretation is correct? and Jesus was wrong? Because that would contradict so many other scriptures. Maybe it's intentionally misleading by the leaders of the corrupt church... The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes: “Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ” Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples. Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23801109 United States10/03/2013 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you die now, you're dead until resurrection. After resurrection you have a second chance. If you fail that, you suffer the 2nd death, which is permanent. Hell is a lie. Quoting: Truthhappened see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos But then again, you're just a troll... I have done my own study and my own research and I am confused. you state with certainty that the bible says that a dead person remains dead until resurrection. yet other Christians have read the same bible and are adamant that it says that when they die they go straight to heaven. even Jesus told the thief on the cross that "verily verily this day you shall be with me in paradise" so are you still adamant that your interpretation is correct? and Jesus was wrong? OP.. What's made all of this very confusing is the false teaching of the "immortal soul" (which has Babylonish beginnings). Let that sink in for just a second and it'll hopefully become clearer... there is no such thing as a soul that keeps living after death. The Bible teaches that when we die we go back to the dust from where we came... that's what the Creator warned Adam that would happen if he disobeyed by eating from the fruit: "‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die." (Gen 3:3) Now, wouldn't it be unfair (unjust) and unloving and outright wicked for the Creator to inflict a punishment on Adam other than what he had stated? Gen 3:17-19 "Because you listened to your wife's voice.. until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return." Note that if there is no immortal soul (the bridge) others teachings based on this suddenly fall flat and make no sense... hellfire, reincarnation, talking to "the dead", etc. Resurrection = bringing somebody who has died back to life... they will be resurrected back to paradise earth as you mentioned. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47811208 Germany10/03/2013 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47809434 Israel10/03/2013 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible addresses the issues of all Human beings and the nation of Isreal in particular " he never lifted a finger" WHAT YOU AND MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND AS ITS NOT ABOUT "PHYSICAL" BODIES IF THAT ALL YOU LOOK AT THEN YOU MISS THE "BIG PICTURE" Go to the link and learn ALOT and just what is the big picture? just imagine that I am a native of the island of Bantam in Indonesia. and my ancestors have lived here for the last 40,000 years....and never ever heard or seen this jewish god Yahweeh of the bible. can you tell me were and how this god of yours has ever shown any concern about the people native of this Indonesian archipelago? and why he sent so many prophets to Israel but NOT ONE to any other lands? There is only one God It is my God your God The God Has many names and has had many prophet THERE ARE RELIGIONS THAT SAY THEIR WAY IS THE ONLY WAY The Torah teaches that there are many ways to God There have been revelations of prophesy in many traditions all around the world Unlike what is taught by Christians and Moslems : It was revealed to Moses at Mount Sinai that Judaism is not the only true way to God. It is not for every person. The God has revealed different ways to other people. You can have “your own path” Gentiles are not responsible to observe the commandments of the Sinai covenant, as are the Jews. Elijah the Prophet teaches in Tana D’vei Eliyahu, (Eliyahu Rabbah 9) that a Gentile like a Jew can receive Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) in accordance to his/her actions. THIS IS THE TORAH TRADITION CONCERNING THE SPIRITUALITY OF OTHER NATIONS ! many spiritual paths fit what the Torah requires for paths out side of the covenant advising 613 commandments given to the nation of Isreal read more about this [link to godssecret.wordpress.com] |
| SoulWinner User ID: 3648174 United States10/03/2013 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5946094 and this was said 2000 years ago..... when Jesus declared that the world was flat and had 4 corners... and it is perplexing that today, with all the knowledge we have acquired despite the misinformation of the bible, people still believe that it is possible and plausible that a person appearing in New York could possibly be visible in Sydney at the same moment??? just think about it?? doesn't it sound stupid to you? and don't you feel silly for even repeating this nonsense withought any thought? Nobody can convince you against your will. None of your questions or insults are new. If you want the truth, you will find it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24040993 Australia10/03/2013 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MBECCU 47784500 see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos up. This is a cop out answer trying to excuse a lie in the bible But then again, you're just a troll... I have done my own study and my own research and I am confused. you state with certainty that the bible says that a dead person remains dead until resurrection. yet other Christians have read the same bible and are adamant that it says that when they die they go straight to heaven. even Jesus told the thief on the cross that "verily verily this day you shall be with me in paradise" so are you still adamant that your interpretation is correct? and Jesus was wrong? Because that would contradict so many other scriptures. Maybe it's intentionally misleading by the leaders of the corrupt church... The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes: “Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ” Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples. Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26366336 Australia10/04/2013 01:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thief was tricked by Jesus. Just as all the other jewish people were tricked by YHWH.. Jesus said to the thief : this day ye shall be with me in paradise. But...on the same day the bible says that Jesus descended into hell were he stayed for 3 days. So he tricked the thief and took him to hell instead Typical Jesus who cursed the fig tree and killed it for no reason. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 47830051 Australia10/04/2013 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MBECCU 47784500 see? that's what I mean : another different Christian interpretation of the very same bible. whoever wrote that book is a master of confusion and chaos But then again, you're just a troll... I have done my own study and my own research and I am confused. you state with certainty that the bible says that a dead person remains dead until resurrection. yet other Christians have read the same bible and are adamant that it says that when they die they go straight to heaven. even Jesus told the thief on the cross that "verily verily this day you shall be with me in paradise" so are you still adamant that your interpretation is correct? and Jesus was wrong? Because that would contradict so many other scriptures. Maybe it's intentionally misleading by the leaders of the corrupt church... The problem actually lies with the placement of the comma. As it reads, the text says both men would be in heaven on Friday. We’ve seen from the Bible that this cannot be true. But if you move the comma one word to the right, it becomes: “Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.’ ” Indeed, Jesus did tell the thief on that day that paradise awaited him. God commonly uses phrases like “I tell you this day…” in the Bible. See Deuteronomy 7:11, 8:1, 9:3, 10:13, 13:18, and 15:5 for some examples. Is it wrong to “change” the Bible in this way? In fact, the original Greek manuscript contained no punctuation at all! If we were to read the passage in Luke according to the manner in which it was originally written And thus a misplaced comma..and the direct mistranslated words Aionos..has created a death cult populated with arragnt hate filled angry torture loving arrogant proud death worshippers. Simple isnt it? Thread: All HAIL the GOD OF DEATH..cuz he loves you..I think... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26366336 Australia10/04/2013 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or maybe god had nothing to do with writing this bizzarre confusing bible? Maybe it s a jewish invention to control gullible mankind thru religion? |
