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Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?

 
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Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
The flailing about to create the character, "Adam Lanza - violent, nonexistent Aspberger's boy" looks pretty desperate, as a motive, compared to what we now know from a local resident of Newtown:

The woman meeting with staff 12/14 about a dispute over her troubled child, as first shots were fired, is the wife of the man who came to the school the day before and fought with staff.

During the meeting with the mother, two of the staff who fought with the father the day before were killed, one seriously injured, and another saved by staying home sick.

Truth always makes more sense than fiction.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
Instant one-star.

Always a good sign.

Kris Feda is the source of the information that the meeting was about a "struggling" child. She said it was the mother who was attending the meeting, long with seven or eight other staff members.

Out of 100 teachers/staff at SHS, four were involved in 1) the altercation 12/13, 2) the meeting 12/14, and 3) met their deaths (or serious injury, or narrowly escaped) 12/14. It seems quite clear the killer(s) went after these people, specifically. The same people altercating with parents the day before, and the same people meeting with one parent the next day.

Who is the father who fought with these now-deceased or injured staff members on 12/13?
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
PlasMan said a mom tried to pick her child up on 12/13 but was refused custody by SHS staff (a very big deal).

I still think the list of staff meeting with the mom the next day is indicative of a "struggling child" meeting, rather than a "drunk parent" meeting. In addition to the principle, the psychologist and counselor were present.

But I suppose they could have also been present if a drunk dad (or mom) had tried to pick up the child; they may have been counseling the mom about her behavior, or advising her about the husband's behavior.

That doesn't explain the presence of the reading specialist, though.

I really don't think the inebriated/drugged-out parent theory holds water, because police weren't called. I think this family was having a dispute with the school over their child's education and/or behavior; the mother was meeting with staff, after the father had likely fought with staff the day prior. I think the father, while not invited to the meeting, decided to come anyway.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
And I believe the one-star is proof positive that Sedensky's people are here, trying to guide the flow of conversation.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
Another thing that has been totally overlooked is any complicity on Sandy Hook staff's part.

What if, in reaction to a struggling-child issue which parents refused to address, a staff member, on a whim, refused to turn the child over at the end of the day unless parents agreed to meet and discuss their child's behavior? School staff can be under immense pressure both from a child's behavior, and from the complaints of other school families about a child's behavior. One of the single, hottest-button issues in ANY school.

What if, on a bad whim, a staff member was pressuring the parent(s) to come inside on Thursday to discuss their child, the parent refused, and the staff member refused to turn over the child, citing suspicion of drug or alcohol use (about the only reason a school could actually refuse to turn a child over to its parents)?

The parent would be absolutely and totally outraged.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
All it would take is ONE police officer who had a friendship or relationship with a SHS staff member, and he/she could be pressured into silence or coverup (especially if the real shooter got away, which he almost certainly did).
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
An even more horrifying thought: what if, in order to cover up what was essentially two murder counts and several attempted murder counts, someone decided to make it look like a "mass shooting by a crazy guy?"
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
The issue of assault weapons is very, very in the fore of our national consciousness.

Police Chief Kehoe himself is out lobbying against AR-15s.

Would it really take that much time to go from, "Holy s***, my friend just murdered several staff members," to "Make this look like a Columbine--blame it on a student, and get guns banned, too?"

One of the police officers (Flynn I think?) said he was first told a high schooler had done it, and when he was called in to identify the "perp," was surprised it wasn't anyone he knew.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
So who was the father?

Was he buddies with ANYONE in Newtown PD?

Is there actually, possibly, a logical reason CT State Police are interviewing Newtown PD about a delay? Some Newtown PD have been called in for third interviews, as of several weeks ago.

Was the father inside the school when Newtown arrived, and did he beg and plead with a friend on the force to help him in his time of greatest need--having just murdered several adults, and with his wife present?
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
Were ANY of the Newtown PD involved on 12 14 2012 aware of and/or involved in Richard Novia's past patsying of high school students?

Once the perpetrator was known to be a friend (or known to have got away), could someone in a panic have called Novia looking for a "bad guy?"

Would it really be that hard--especially considering Novia had already used high schoolers for patsies in the past (back when he was trying to pressure the schools to put in security systems)? Newtown is very, very small. How long would it take to call Novia, drive to 36 Yogananda, and drive back?
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Were ANY of the Newtown PD involved on 12 14 2012 aware of and/or involved in Richard Novia's past patsying of high school students?

Once the perpetrator was known to be a friend (or known to have got away), could someone in a panic have called Novia looking for a "bad guy?"

Would it really be that hard--especially considering Novia had already used high schoolers for patsies in the past (back when he was trying to pressure the schools to put in security systems)? Newtown is very, very small. How long would it take to call Novia, drive to 36 Yogananda, and drive back?
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I mean, if your entire career was on the line for losing a mass-murderer, or if your friend's life was on the line for BEING a mass-murderer--are we saying it's outside the realm of possibility for fast-thinking cops who know the locals and know the neighborhood to do what it took to cover this up quickly?
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
It's really getting harder and harder to overlook Manfredonia.

He was a father, and was AT the school.

His wife was at the school (why...in a meeting?)

He was RUNNING from the school.

Cops let him go.

A Robert Manfredonia lives on Yogananda.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
Still waiting for a first-hand description from anyone who actually knows/knew one of the Lanza males, Peter, Adam, or Ryan (not canned or second/third-hand stuff from hand-picked interviews). Maybe a contemporary from Newtown HS or Westconn Univ., where Adam alleged attended briefly? Somebody out there must have physically interacted and conversed with at least one of these people. Ryan must have interacted with someone, after all he is a working professional with at least some social capacity. Peter is a top-level exec, but nobody in Newtown or Stamford seems to know him. Nothing from the living Lanzas. Too strange for words.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
If two guys ran from the school, one was handcuffed and one got away but was then pulled out of the woods, who's the second guy?

A female sergeant at Newtown PD said he was an "uncle" of one of the students.

An uncle and father of one of the students were both fleeing the school--running together--were they in the same family?

Were they brothers?
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Or brothers-in-law?
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"On May 8, Robert Manfredonia, 46, Turkey Hill Terrace turned himself into the Newtown Police Department on an outstanding arrest warrant for breach of peace and harassment. The charges stem from a dispute that took place in mid-January at the Newtown Youth Academy, and from text messages that were sent by Manfredonia on February 17, 2012."

[link to newtown.patch.com]

Same Robert Manfredonia?
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From the Newtown Bee, 1999:

"The underlying message of the evening was that there are many lonely teenagers

out there -- many of whom are begging for adult attention. NHS Principal Bill Manfredonia sees it all the time.

"I have never seen people who are more lonely than the teenagers of today....Mr Manfredonia acknowledged that there have been a handful of incidents since

the Littleton shooting.

"Since the incident in Colorado, three students have been brought to our

attention that we are concerned about," Mr Manfredonia said.

One student wrote some strange "stuff" on the Internet.

"I don't take strange stuff for granted anymore," he said. After all, things

that may not have concerned us three weeks ago suddenly have become very

serious. Take, for example, the anonymous caller who phoned the high school

last week to inform school officials that the neighborhood boy was spending a

lot of time in the garage. The story drew a chuckles from the audience, but Mr

Manfredonia was not laughing.

"What would have happened if they were right?" he asked."

[link to webcache.googleusercontent.com]
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
I want to add the caveat that proximity to children does not imply threat to children. A lot of great people work with children, and by definition are in proximity to them, so when there's a problem, these people can be unfairly suspected.

However, there are enough pieces of the Manfredonia puzzle to justify the need to dig deeper.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
It was very likely Chris Manfredonia. He lives right behind Lanza and just happened to be running away at the exact time of the incident? Whoever was identified as being in the altercation could very likely been a participant in the shooting and the story was sanitized the next day.

I am finding that the initial reports were likely the most accurate. The "official story" had to be added in after the fact - like adding the AR-15 which was totally excluded on the initial reports. But since they want to ban and confiscate AR-15s that had to be found with Lanza.

Instant 1 star internet trolls means you are likely over the target. If you post a good link on Sandy Hook cover up on xxxxx.com you will instantly get 3 down votes within 30 seconds. The trolls are out there to protect the story and distort the facts- like all the Greenberg bullshit.

Plasman drinking Kool Aid and serving it too. Like the Armed SWAT guy caught in the woods. If he was legitimate they would have made him a hero and he would be interviewed on 60 minutes like Sally Cox. Instead he remains a mystery and they are hiding his whole story. He most certainly was involved.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
It was very likely Chris Manfredonia. He lives right behind Lanza and just happened to be running away at the exact time of the incident? Whoever was identified as being in the altercation could very likely been a participant in the shooting and the story was sanitized the next day.

I am finding that the initial reports were likely the most accurate. The "official story" had to be added in after the fact - like adding the AR-15 which was totally excluded on the initial reports. But since they want to ban and confiscate AR-15s that had to be found with Lanza.

Instant 1 star internet trolls means you are likely over the target. If you post a good link on Sandy Hook cover up on xxxxx.com you will instantly get 3 down votes within 30 seconds. The trolls are out there to protect the story and distort the facts- like all the Greenberg bullshit.

Plasman drinking Kool Aid and serving it too. Like the Armed SWAT guy caught in the woods. If he was legitimate they would have made him a hero and he would be interviewed on 60 minutes like Sally Cox. Instead he remains a mystery and they are hiding his whole story. He most certainly was involved.
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Need to find out what Chris's brother (in law) does for a living. If he's SWAT, that would really be something.
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I did the one star - no particular reason, as I was just felt like being an asshole. Sorry - was having a bad morning at the time :-)
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source?
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I'd appreciate seeing that too.
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I'd appreciate seeing that too.
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Source for which part?
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source?
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I'd appreciate seeing that too.
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Source for which part?
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The woman meeting with staff 12/14 about a dispute over her troubled child, as first shots were fired, is the wife of the man who came to the school the day before and fought with staff.
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source?
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I'd appreciate seeing that too.
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Source for which part?
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The woman meeting with staff 12/14 about a dispute over her troubled child, as first shots were fired, is the wife of the man who came to the school the day before and fought with staff.
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All we have is PlasMan saying 1) he is from Newtown and 2) the family fighting with staff 12/13 is the same as the family meeting with staff 12/14.

However--the circumstantial evidence is strong and troubling. Three of the four staff members fighting on 12/13 with this parent were killed or injured 12/14; a fourth staff member stayed home.

It is not proof--but it's a helluva stronger working theory than the official one.

We know law enforcement was aware of the altercation and that state and federal investigators went to speak with Janet DiDonato about what happened 12/13:

[link to www.youtube.com]

From the above interview, which cites law enforcement sources, we know (or theorize) that Hochsprung, Sherlach, and Hammond were involved in the altercation the day prior--and that they were killed and/or injured the next day. DiDonato stayed home.

This is an investigator's first-class ticket. Motive, specific targets, and a 24-hour period encapsulating Incident 1 and Incident 2.
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I did the one star - no particular reason, as I was just felt like being an asshole. Sorry - was having a bad morning at the time :-)
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Nice try - no cigar.

Instant one-star is dead giveaway on glp - always has been.
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"We were holding a parent meeting," school staffer Kris Feda explained. "Many of the leaders of the building were around the table, and we heard the first gun shots. We knew exactly they were gun shots."

[link to www.today.com]

Many leaders of the building?

This was a serious meeting. This meeting involved the many leaders who were present for the previous day's altercation, too.

Coincidences usually...aren't.
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Re: Who is the father who fought with Sandy Hook staff 12/13 and whose wife was in a meeting with staff 12/14 when shots were fired?
So, which father of a Sandy Hook student fought with staff December 13th?

Who was his wife, who met with Sandy Hook staff about the incident, and about her child, December 14th?

Which father was buzzed in or shot his way into the school as his wife was meeting with staff, and began shooting?

The very first reports of the Sandy Hook shooting told of a father of one of the students being the shooter.
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So, which father of a Sandy Hook student fought with staff December 13th?

Who was his wife, who met with Sandy Hook staff about the incident, and about her child, December 14th?

Which father was buzzed in or shot his way into the school as his wife was meeting with staff, and began shooting?

The very first reports of the Sandy Hook shooting told of a father of one of the students being the shooter.
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I was in Boston at the time of the shooting, and the first thing I heard, word of mouth, was that the shooter was a father of one of the students at Sandy Hook School.

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