Why are people so insecure in their faith as to be threatened by fiction?

I read the book, wasn't thrilled. But I can see how it might unhinge the fundies.

It's all about controlling the

Obviously they haven't read this one.

"The Jesus Dynasty"

based on historical research of James Tabor.


It's not fiction.
[link to www.jesusdynasty.com]

It is not a case of my faith being so inscure that anyone who dares to question it will send me up thae wall. What it wrong is that it is an out and out lie.

QED lol.

I have never really like Ron Howard all that much, but some of his work has been good.

I have to applaud him, though in this case. While in the beginnings of shooting this film the "church" came to him and asked him to put a disclaimer in the beginning of the movie (basically denouncing it all as blasphemy!).

He shot them the big "Opie" and went on about his business.

Here's to Ron:
:5:

It's that way with a lot of ideas.

If your kids see slaughter and murder on TV, they'll grow up to be Ted Bundy.

If you see gay people in the movies, it'll turn you gay.

If you see "The DaVinci Code", you'll become an atheist.

It's black and white for those types of people. Critical thinking only confuses them.

"You're either with us, or with the terrorists."

to

Because as citizens and voters we are supposed to be able to trust the President to tell the truth.

It's fiction but based on actual research done. It is bringing this research to many who would not have known about it except by reading about it in a best-seller mystery novel. It is making people think, and that is very scary for the Catholic Church and religious fundamentalists.

Those who won't read the book or see the movie because their pastor told them not to are what amaze me. There is this quote in the morning paper: "Harvey hasn't read the book and won't see the movie, but she listened to her pastor Jeff Gibson at Cornerstone Church tell her about it. Gibson warned his congregation that Brown's story is a 'deception' that the Bible warns will come at the 'end times'..." So the pastor read the book and will see the movie and his soul is still safe, but his congregation are at risk of falling for deception.

I worked with a Pentecostal fundamentalist who would not buy a computer or get on the internet because the pastor of their church was on the internet and would tell them all the horrible things he found and that it was not suited for them as Christians to be on the internet.

Many Christians are told that thinking and doubting will make them lose their salvation and go to Hell. That is why they are upset about a book, even fiction, that will make them think.

There are 18 missing years of Jesus life.

Why do people have a problem thinking he was married

Really marriage was the first Commandment that Hashem gave.

He made the two one again.

Jesus was also called "rabbi"
Rabbi's were required by Jewish law to be married.

Most men who were not married were frowned upon by the Jewish faith.


If Jesus were as the scripture states "tested and tried" in every way human...how can you leave relationship and marriage out of that equation.

don't you believe that personal love and relationship is one of the biggest test in life?

I don't understand where being in a married relationship makes him less a human but just the opposite more like us.

and if people realized that we can become "sons of God" .

I think many people are confused as to exactly what his mission was and how he achieved it. He did it as a human who achieved God consciousness and served as the prototype for all of humanity to have the same opportunity.

People might start to think for themselfes instead of believing the religious shit the have been fed with...

"make them think"?????????????

The danger in the Davinci Code is that our dumbed down society will go see this movie and think "wow I never knew all dat was true".....when anyone could debunk the major points in the film by doing 10 minutes of research.

The reality is that people are going to believe what they want to believe. For example, many people are still blindly supporting Bush when it is clear he is one of the worst presidents in history. In like manner, many are grasping onto the straws in the Davinci Code because it is what they WANT to believe.

An honest examination of the evidence will lead the honest investigator to the conclusion that Christianity is true.

However, we have very few people interested in the truth anymore.

Mary Magdalene was present at the annointing of the body after death usually a ceremony reserved only for close family (and the Jewish people are quite stern on women and ritual)

She was also the first to see the risen Christ and He said to her "don't cling to me" very similiar to the statement in the old testament

"A man shall leave his father and mother and "cling" to his wife".

She was quite overwhelmed by his death and annointed his feet with perfume which is also a ritual of marriage.

The Nag Hammadi states that Jesus loved her and kissed her often.

I really don't see why it's such a big deal..it's just that people have this hang up about sex and cannot allow Jesus to be the true human he was and see what he was showing them when he said "follow me"...do what I've done and you will do greater things than these. He became the God/Man and he could then say I and my Father are one.


So can we.

Believe it or not that's what the scriptures say.

“Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing.

He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father

If Ron Howard had put in a character to play Mohammed, this thread wouldn't exist.

The Gospel of John tells us that there were many other things which Jesus did which have not been recorded. Given the cultural milieu in which Jesus lived and the supporting Biblical evidence, the burden of proof lies with those who do not believe Jesus was married. They must show why Jesus and His parents would have been derelict in their civic responsibilities and not contracted a marriage.

According to Josephus, descendants of the House of David felt a moral obligation to perpetuate their line, never knowing which one among their descendants would be the chosen Messiah. Jesus may or may not have known who He was, but regardless, He lived as a normal person until called by the ministry of John the Baptist.



At the Resurrection, when Mary meets Jesus in the Garden, there is a degree of intimacy which one would expect between lovers, not friends. The Greek word for "woman" and "wife" is the same. Translators must rely upon the context in deciding how to translate it. Sometimes, the translation is arbitrary. When Mary is referred to as a "woman" who followed Jesus, it can just as easily be translated as "wife".

The story of Mary with the alabaster jar anointing the feet of Jesus is cited by some scholars as the most direct witness to their marriage. It is in all four Gospels and was a story in which Jesus gave express command that it be preserved. This ceremony was an ancient one among many royal houses in the ancient world, which sealed the marital union between the king and his priestess spouse. We find it mentioned briefly in the Song of Solomon. Although we may not understand its significance, Jesus and Mary knew exactly what they were doing. To be the valid Messiah, He had to be anointed first by the Bride.

They were by-passing the corrupt Jewish establishment. It was the custom among the Jews for their young men to marry at an early age, generally between the years of sixteen and eighteen. "Men married at sixteen or seventeen years of age, almost never later than twenty: and women at a somewhat younger age, often when not older than fourteen. The Bible teaches that the enemies of Christ spent their time: "Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him" (Luke 11:54).

It is almost universally agreed among all scholars and denominations that Jesus Christ did not begin his ministry until his early 30's. If Christ were unmarried at this age, then his enemies could have proven that he did not obey the laws and customs of his day.

It is written that Mary went to the tomb to anoint Jesus with aloes and spices, this very act was a traditional custom assigned only to mothers, or wives, it was never allowed in those days, indeed, even today in that same part of the world, it is still not allowed, and women today die from honour killing, for talking with a man who is not a relative, so in those days, she would not have been allowed to be part of Jesus' entourage, only wives, and relatives or the wives and relatives of the other apostles.



Then there's this. .


This is called the unspeakable and holy TETRAGRAMMATON, which could only be spoken out loud by the High Priest once a year inside the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement, for the hoped for remssion of all sins of the people for the whole year.


Y - God the Father (Supreme YHWH:Creator Gen 1:1, Ex 13:21)
H - Goddess the Mother (Supreme Shekinah-Sophia:Creatrix Pro 8:30-31)
W - Lord the Son (The Christ:Savior/Messiah/Jesus Jn 1:34)
H - Lady the Daughter (The Holy Spirit:Lover/Spouse/Counselor-Pro 5:17,8:1, Jn 14:26)

"It is not a case of my faith being so inscure that anyone who dares to question it will send me up thae wall. What it wrong is that it is an out and out lie.

fic·tion

NOUN:
1. An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented.

Yod-He-Vau-He,

the First Yod was masculine meaning God the Father, .
The second He was the Holy Spirit and female which is the point of this post.....
While the third letter Vau represents the Son and of course is Jesus the Messiah which makes the Trinity, yet all are one, the three are one.

But the Lord is not complete without the Bride , the people that love the Lord with all their heart and soul, and mind. These comprise the last /He, and she becomes ONE with the Trinity (John 16, Revealtions, Isaiah, etc. etc.) and the Holy Family and Holy Name is complete.



"Let's get Mary---ied.

I'm not sure what I think
about the film at the
moment. Jesus had
brothers and sisters
that a certain church
refuses to recognize.
Even denied his brother
James' burial box.

However, I don't believe
Jesus was married to MM
, because
true believer's are his
bride. No human could
be His equal, so no,
I don't think he married.

Do I think Ron Howard should
be censored by a Church that
denies Mary had other kids...
no. Both are dealing in
fiction.

People are "insecure" because their priest and pastor tells them to be !!

Why would any "business" that has ruled the planet for over 2000 years worry that the herd might look up from grazing on the fodder they have been fed from the begining, take a fresh look at what they are being told and do what ?? perhaps say bollo*cks to this and go over to the next field where the herd there enjoys fresh free nurture ??

There is a very strong smell of fear comming from the establishment over this one book / film...makes you wonder if there is more there than first catches the eye.

cause it goes against the foundation of lies we all live under

No human could be His equal,


"Christ in you, the hope of glory."

Khristós which means "anointed one"




Because you are sons, God sent the ___Spirit of his Son___ into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ``Abba, Father.'' So you are no longer a slave, ___but a son____; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
- Galatians 4:4-7



You received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, ``Abba, Father.'' The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs - heirs of God and ____co-heirs with Christ.
- Romans 8:15-17


"If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation" (2 Cor. 5:17).

so all the jesus hate is any different from muslim hate or bush hate ... how? "hate" makes the "weak" feel stronger, it appears

as to "the movie" et al,

worry that the herd might look up from grazing on the fodder they have been fed from the begining, take a fresh look at what they are being told



That's a very good point and why this debate and attention is a very necessary thing.

Perhaps that's why we see all this new knowledge and interest being brought forth at this time.



Remember in Daniel 12:1

3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. ____Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.____"


Rev. 10 3

3 He cried with a loud voice, as a lion roars. When he cried, the seven thunders uttered their voices.

4 When the seven thunders sounded, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from the sky saying, ____"Seal up the things which the seven thunders said, and don't write them."

so all the jesus hate is any different from muslim hate or bush hate


that's all human hate/people hate/ people arrogance.

that's why religion is not what Jesus taught.

PEOPLE made it that way.

that's why he called the religious "whitewashed tombstones" pretty on the outside but full dead mens bones on the inside.

That's why he threw the moneychangers/ from the temple.


Don't ascribe peoples hate and greed and arrogance on Jesus, mohammed or anyone else. WE choose to do it!!


and we have the choice to believe as we may and only we are held accountable for that....no riding on coat tails, no church membership, no blaming other people/races/religions.

Just one on one accountability.

God is too big for religion.

Your question answered itself when you asked about "faith."

Faith is like pretending the rest of your life you are something, he is something and god is something, when the truth is otherwise.

Faith is like pretending the rest of your life you are something, he is something and god is something, when the truth is otherwise.>>

What a sad statement. To each his own.

"What a sad statement. To each his own."

So sad that I live in reality. boo hoo.
So sad for you that you do not understand that sad statement.

God is too big for religion.


AMEN..

Please let God/Creator/Ancient of Days out of the box .