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Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?

 
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Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
POLL: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
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If DNA based life first evolved on earth then the universe has earth to thank. Because so far DNA based life is the only type of life that has been positively identified in the universe, according mainstream science. DNA based life has been found on Earth and other places.

Evolution clearly exists, but does it explain the origins of DNA life? If so, is there clear evidence that those origins occurred on earth?

Panspermia, either directed or haphazardly, seems more plausible to me, as an explanation for the start of DNA based life evolving on earth. Without some form of intelligence or panspermia then Earth would be the lucky place in the universe where the first cell of DNA based life occurred. That is a cell that is locomotive, energy consuming, self-replicating, and also happens to have the DNA structure that is so vital to the march of evolution.

One of the alternatives barred from school is intelligent design. Which has been labeled as Creationism, in other words violating the separation of Church and State.

Scientists and biological engineers working today have DNA printers and computers to aid in the design and testing of DNA based life. Yet there is no implication that engineers working in 2013 are gods, or part of something religious. There need not be any implication that DNA life seeded on earth, by design or by panspermia, was done by gods.
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"Yet there is no implication that engineers working in 2013 are gods, or part of something religious."

For one thing they can't explain the subtle working complexities on DNA...and may never will.

God created DNA to govern life on earth...why make it harder than it is?
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
Wow..

1/5 has planetary narcissistic delusions grandeur.

Still.. could be worse thou.
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
It would be fun to have like 4 alternatives

(yes/no) for christians and (yes/no) for the rest.
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Does it realy matter,... we are scr*wed anyway.


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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
It would be fun to have like 4 alternatives

(yes/no) for christians and (yes/no) for the rest.
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You can always clarify in the comments.

I'm also surprised the poll is going so heavily against what the courts have decided time and again must be taught in schools.
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?


Haha! NO


It's all chemistry. You put the right ingredients together, you get life. Life is inevitable and fills the fucking universe in places with the right conditions.


Intelligent design? Sure, natural life forms altered by more advanced lifeforms. Intelligent indeed. We do it here, though rather unintelligently at this early stage. The "gods" have much more advanced technology.
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
I guess i dont know were your going with this thread as trying to prove evolution or a bible based structure
So lets dig in a little on evolution why is it so many animals have died out and the strong ones live ( not true look at the animals today a panada, small breed dogs, others that would not make in the wild for over a few centuries) but what about dinosaurs, Huge animals why did evolution make them smaller weaker. As for humans weve never changed just gotten smarter ( well some of us) So my question is for you were did our dna come from was it created or given to us by bigger being ( god or ?)
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I guess i dont know were your going with this thread as trying to prove evolution or a bible based structure
So lets dig in a little on evolution why is it so many animals have died out and the strong ones live ( not true look at the animals today a panada, small breed dogs, others that would not make in the wild for over a few centuries) but what about dinosaurs, Huge animals why did evolution make them smaller weaker. As for humans weve never changed just gotten smarter ( well some of us) So my question is for you were did our dna come from was it created or given to us by bigger being ( god or ?)
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You're implying that as humans have breed animals, so have gods breed humans?

If so, who breed the gods?

I'll take a guess, maybe it's all cyclical. We create the robots that anihilate us, then much later the robots create organic life to amuse them. Then round and round the merry goes. Obviously I've simplified the process for brevity.
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
I think we have to ask David Wilcook

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I think we have to ask David Wilcook

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Maybe.

Also, that reminds me, instead of posting polls the same second they pop into my head I think I'm going to start recording them to Sound Cloud the night before and embedding the audio in the poll. I have a way better voice than Wildcock or Childreess. History should have me voicing their shows.
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
I guess i dont know were your going with this thread as trying to prove evolution or a bible based structure
So lets dig in a little on evolution why is it so many animals have died out and the strong ones live ( not true look at the animals today a panada, small breed dogs, others that would not make in the wild for over a few centuries) but what about dinosaurs, Huge animals why did evolution make them smaller weaker. As for humans weve never changed just gotten smarter ( well some of us) So my question is for you were did our dna come from was it created or given to us by bigger being ( god or ?)
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You're implying that as humans have breed animals, so have gods breed humans?

If so, who breed the gods?

I'll take a guess, maybe it's all cyclical. We create the robots that anihilate us, then much later the robots create organic life to amuse them. Then round and round the merry goes. Obviously I've simplified the process for brevity.
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I think you should stick to your mashed potato forts with broccoli trees if thats your answer
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
Either nucleic acids were seeded here by a comet or meteorite, or they arose spontaneously from the primordial soup.

Either one seems plausible, neither requires 'magic' or advanced intelligence.
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This , but the ETs were much taller
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I think you should stick to your mashed potato forts with broccoli trees if thats your answer
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Please enlighten us with the trendy answer from outside of the mashed potato and broccoli forts?
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
If DNA based life first evolved on earth then the universe has earth to thank. Because so far DNA based life is the only type of life that has been positively identified in the universe, according mainstream science. DNA based life has been found on Earth and other places.

Evolution clearly exists, but does it explain the origins of DNA life? If so, is there clear evidence that those origins occurred on earth?

Panspermia, either directed or haphazardly, seems more plausible to me, as an explanation for the start of DNA based life evolving on earth. Without some form of intelligence or panspermia then Earth would be the lucky place in the universe where the first cell of DNA based life occurred. That is a cell that is locomotive, energy consuming, self-replicating, and also happens to have the DNA structure that is so vital to the march of evolution.

One of the alternatives barred from school is intelligent design. Which has been labeled as Creationism, in other words violating the separation of Church and State.

Scientists and biological engineers working today have DNA printers and computers to aid in the design and testing of DNA based life. Yet there is no implication that engineers working in 2013 are gods, or part of something religious. There need not be any implication that DNA life seeded on earth, by design or by panspermia, was done by gods.
 Quoting: Odd John


Where? Do you mean on some meteorites (polemical stuff) or in the higher atmospheric layers?

It's an old topic: DNA is too complex as simply some byproduct of Earth's planetary evolution.

We don't know if evolution exists as it is postulated in the last 150 years: change or development exists, but we are not sure yet that the evolution is something more than a sometimes apparently operational theory.

What's your POV on the DNA? Bioengineering stuff from... where,,, who?
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Evolution is worse than a Fairy Tale. It's a complete, fantastic delusion and willfull rejection of reality. At least with a Fairy Tale, people understand it's for naive children and not meant to be taken seriously.
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"In the beginning God..." That's all I need to know.
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We don't know if evolution exists as it is postulated in the last 150 years: change or development exists, but we are not sure yet that the evolution is something more than a sometimes apparently operational theory.

What's your POV on the DNA? Bioengineering stuff from... where,,, who?
 Quoting: Inerrancia


Last time I told someone my theory they got mad, because they thought I was trying to shoehorn religion into science. I wasn't. Maybe I was trying to shoehorn information theory into biology.

Anyway, my theory is that is that a functioning brain is more likely to occurr randomly in the universe than a functioning DNA single cell life. The reason is two fold.

1. The brain requires only one type of element, which is electrical gates. Lots of them sure, but still can build any type of logical information structure using only NAND gates, lots and lots of NAND gates. A purely electrical brain, especially if it is one capable of expanding, and therefore capable of replicating, into electromagnetic spaces could then create other life forms. Particularly when you consider that that the atoms in those other life forms require the same sort of energy as the brain. Other elements too, but the bottling is the electrons. That strikes me as very convenient for the electric cloud brain. Compare this to a single cell DNA life, which requires so many diverse elements to work together.

2. Based on volume there is a lot more space in the universe for conscious, electromagnetic, information processing then there is proteins for DNA based life.

When you combine that the information theory argument is both a simpler design and has more potential areas to fertilize in, well to me it just seems obvious that the brain came first. But say that in public and people will accuse you of being a lunatic religiotard.
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Seems like DNA-related topics are being pushed by the msm, and we are seeming massive helix marketing everywhere.

Just sayin'.
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We don't know if evolution exists as it is postulated in the last 150 years: change or development exists, but we are not sure yet that the evolution is something more than a sometimes apparently operational theory.

What's your POV on the DNA? Bioengineering stuff from... where,,, who?
 Quoting: Inerrancia


Last time I told someone my theory they got mad, because they thought I was trying to shoehorn religion into science. I wasn't. Maybe I was trying to shoehorn information theory into biology.

Anyway, my theory is that is that a functioning brain is more likely to occurr randomly in the universe than a functioning DNA single cell life. The reason is two fold.

1. The brain requires only one type of element, which is electrical gates. Lots of them sure, but still can build any type of logical information structure using only NAND gates, lots and lots of NAND gates. A purely electrical brain, especially if it is one capable of expanding, and therefore capable of replicating, into electromagnetic spaces could then create other life forms. Particularly when you consider that that the atoms in those other life forms require the same sort of energy as the brain. Other elements too, but the bottling is the electrons. That strikes me as very convenient for the electric cloud brain. Compare this to a single cell DNA life, which requires so many diverse elements to work together.

2. Based on volume there is a lot more space in the universe for conscious, electromagnetic, information processing then there is proteins for DNA based life.

When you combine that the information theory argument is both a simpler design and has more potential areas to fertilize in, well to me it just seems obvious that the brain came first. But say that in public and people will accuse you of being a lunatic religiotard.
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Yours is a very interesting POV... SO some kind of electromagnetic conscience could be and exist by itself long previously before the elemental bricks of biological existence... MMmmmmh... hmm
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Just curious where else has DNA life be identified in the universe besides earth?
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You know it's not beyond the scope of possibility
but the implications for our future are very ominous
if you consider that it somehow goes out from our future and then comes back and starts attacking us in the past trying to tamper with life and manipulate it into some sort of not yet evolved evil
because some evil thing like Satan would do it's utmost to show up perfect from the beginning no matter how fraudulent the perverted masquerade and maintain it's disguise as long as possible with the intent of hitting hard and fast then making a clean break before consequences set in
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Re: Did DNA based life first evolve on planet Earth?
You were not evolved, you were created...

I had no vote to vote for...

Complex systems cannot be evolved.

A good example is the eye, as it has to have all of its parts right now, to be an eye.

Information cannot be evolved.

When did the eye decide to become an eye?

Oh, BTW, there has NEVER been a case where DNA was found outside of a cell. How could this piece if nanotechnolgy be evolved...once again irreducible complexity.

1st law of information - It had to come from somwhere, or SOMEONE.

The thory of evolution is wrought with esoteric terms and phrases meant to intimidate the average person into belief, and dazzle the so called educateg with bull...

We are not glorified slime, nor apes...

Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens, and the earth...
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If DNA based life first evolved on earth then the universe has earth to thank. Because so far DNA based life is the only type of life that has been positively identified in the universe, according mainstream science. DNA based life has been found on Earth and other places.

Evolution clearly exists, but does it explain the origins of DNA life? If so, is there clear evidence that those origins occurred on earth?

Panspermia, either directed or haphazardly, seems more plausible to me, as an explanation for the start of DNA based life evolving on earth. Without some form of intelligence or panspermia then Earth would be the lucky place in the universe where the first cell of DNA based life occurred. That is a cell that is locomotive, energy consuming, self-replicating, and also happens to have the DNA structure that is so vital to the march of evolution.

One of the alternatives barred from school is intelligent design. Which has been labeled as Creationism, in other words violating the separation of Church and State.

Scientists and biological engineers working today have DNA printers and computers to aid in the design and testing of DNA based life. Yet there is no implication that engineers working in 2013 are gods, or part of something religious. There need not be any implication that DNA life seeded on earth, by design or by panspermia, was done by gods.
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It didn't evolve period.
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If the question is inferring if Earth based DNA first evolved or started on Earth, without outside help, then yes it is a possibility.

It had to start somewhere. If it was brought here by aliens, then where did their DNA start?
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If the question is inferring if Earth based DNA first evolved or started on Earth, without outside help, then yes it is a possibility.

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It's possible.

It's the minority opinion though so far. By numbers that I find quite surprising by the way. 5 years ago this poll would've been very different I think.
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If the question is inferring if Earth based DNA first evolved or started on Earth, without outside help, then yes it is a possibility.

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It's possible.

It's the minority opinion though so far. By numbers that I find quite surprising by the way. 5 years ago this poll would've been very different I think.
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The Solar System seems to be too Young for the local generation and development of DNA.

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