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Keep your SS and Medicaid taxes, Get out of Obamacare Legally - Here's How!

 
Agnosticangel
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Keep your SS and Medicaid taxes, Get out of Obamacare Legally - Here's How!
If you think that:

- SS Is done for, and that any money you pay in is going to be lost to you.

- That you would rather keep the money you spend paying into it and maybe use it for your own retirement fund, buy Precious Metals, or invest it in something else, or just blow it for the hell of it. (The world's ending anyway right?)

- Obamacare is a scam and you don't want to have any part in it.

- You want out of these scams, but You don't want to break the law and give them the excuse to persecute you.

There IS a way to do it all. Simple and pretty much guaranteed to work.

Of course, there are no free lunches, it does require an action that may be a dealbreaker to some, especially those who have and hold a religious belief highest in their life.

The answer is to register yourself as a Christian scientist.
Christian Scientists are exempt from paying SS and Medicare taxes. They do have to file form. 4029 in Triplicate [link to www.irs.gov]

That filing automatically makes you exempt from Obamacare as well.

"Members of a "recognized religious sect or division," as specified in section 1402 of the internal revenue code, are exempt. This exemption would include the Amish and Christian Scientists. These sects must have been in existence since at least December 31, 1950."

Christian science has because of all the bad press lately eased up on it's requirement to never seek a doctor. So that's not really an issue either.

AND - You can reverse the filing anytime you like, and you won't be liable for any BACK taxes, only for whatever you incur after the point you "renounce the faith".

The added bonus is that an employer don't have to pay the tax or healthcare either - So you become more competitive on the market.

I don't advocate for any religion, this is just a road map on how to do it legally.
Agnosticangel (OP)
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Really... No One Interested in this?
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thanks
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The link doesn't work, returns you to the thread.
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Interesting OP. What are the requirements for becoming a "christian Scientist"?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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The link doesn't work, returns you to the thread.
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Interesting.

You can look for publication f4029 on the IRS website.

www. irs. gov / pub / irs-prior / f4029--2011. pdf
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Interesting OP. What are the requirements for becoming a "christian Scientist"?
 Quoting: fly on the wall


Basically very few. Check with the main website for them for a congregation close to you.

[link to christianscience.com]
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Oh, and since you are exempt from SS and medicaid, this also mean that self employed people don't pay the SE tax.
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10/10/2013 09:42 AM
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The form for Practitioners as opposed to ministers is

[link to www.irs.gov]

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I'm a Christian AND a Scientist...these are synonymous.

Forced servitude, forced to purchase something I don't want is against my mind, body, soul, and is against my religious convictions.
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bump

I appreciate this thread.

Thanks for starting it.

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If one was accepted to be a Christian Scientist member, could the time one joined become a factor or any problem with the legality of it?

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CAn I do this as agnostic?
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CAn I do this as agnostic?
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You would have to pretend to be something you aren't. But as an agnostic, what difference does it make.
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CAn I do this as agnostic?
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You would have to pretend to be something you aren't. But as an agnostic, what difference does it make.
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Let's be 100% clear. You have to claim to be a practitioner.

However, it's determined since before that the level of participation does not indicate a practitioner or not.
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If one was accepted to be a Christian Scientist member, could the time one joined become a factor or any problem with the legality of it?

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No
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The Constitution provides the remedy. I won't support saturnic religions.
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I actually can go along with quite a few of their beliefs - my step dad's side of the family are mostly CS.

Though I like the part about no SS or Medicaid taxes, my new employer is giving full medical. Hmmm....
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CAn I do this as agnostic?
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You would have to pretend to be something you aren't. But as an agnostic, what difference does it make.
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Wow. That pretty much sums up Hillary.
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OP teaches how to "legally" eat IRS shit.
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CAn I do this as agnostic?
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You would have to pretend to be something you aren't. But as an agnostic, what difference does it make.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10401141


Well, I do believe in some possible higher power and am looking at ways to expand my spiritual side so hmm, very tempting. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, OP.
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Interesting OP. What are the requirements for becoming a "christian Scientist"?
 Quoting: fly on the wall


Don't do it unless you really believe it.

Most people here fit into the category, but I guarantee they will go crying the first sign of sickness to a doctor.

You either do it or not at all.

You want to scam the system so you scam a religion?

What is that.
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I just realised that I'm a Scientologist. :)
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Awesome! You can wear your Lord Xenu label clothing.
"Hail Xenu"!
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When you sign this form, you wave all your rights to collect on social security (which may or may not exist when you need it) and to medicare.

So, if you are going to do this, be financially prepared to plan for your medical expenses and retirement. (Which is what we should be doing, anyway.)
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When you sign this form, you wave all your rights to collect on social security (which may or may not exist when you need it) and to medicare.

So, if you are going to do this, be financially prepared to plan for your medical expenses and retirement. (Which is what we should be doing, anyway.)
 Quoting: ??? 48154836


SS and Medicare probably wont exist for those of us in our 40's, 30's, 20's, late legal teens.

Other exemptions are being Amish, and being enrolled in the VA healthcare system.
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Interesting OP. What are the requirements for becoming a "christian Scientist"?
 Quoting: fly on the wall


Don't do it unless you really believe it.

Most people here fit into the category, but I guarantee they will go crying the first sign of sickness to a doctor.

You either do it or not at all.

You want to scam the system so you scam a religion?

What is that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40365949


CS has loosed it's posture on the "no seeing doctors" a lot lately.

Any religion should be approached sceptically, I see precious few people living up to the complete standards of any religion today. And no one is telling new christian to not join if they don't want to stone homosexuals etc.

The last thing one should do is listen to anyone like the person above, when we let someone else set the limits of our beliefs, we stop being free people.
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When you sign this form, you wave all your rights to collect on social security (which may or may not exist when you need it) and to medicare.

So, if you are going to do this, be financially prepared to plan for your medical expenses and retirement. (Which is what we should be doing, anyway.)
 Quoting: ??? 48154836


Yes, but that's the kicker. Say a person in their 50's who's been working for the last 30 years had kept all their SS taxes, and bought gold over the years.

Do you think they'd be better off or worse than had they stayed with SS?

I personally believe that SS won't be around for much longer.
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We need some real info on this. I tried googling it but it's really confusing.

Bump!
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When you sign this form, you wave all your rights to collect on social security (which may or may not exist when you need it) and to medicare.

So, if you are going to do this, be financially prepared to plan for your medical expenses and retirement. (Which is what we should be doing, anyway.)
 Quoting: ??? 48154836


Yes, but that's the kicker. Say a person in their 50's who's been working for the last 30 years had kept all their SS taxes, and bought gold over the years.

Do you think they'd be better off or worse than had they stayed with SS?

I personally believe that SS won't be around for much longer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10401141


I have been paying SS and medicare for 25 years. What if I denounce CS when I turn 60?
Who is John Galt?