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Self-employed? Making good money? You may not qualify for a home loan after January 10,2014

 
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New mortgage rules come in to effect on January 10th 2014 thanks to our favorite fools on the hill Dodd and Frank. Yes the guys who collapsed the market in the first place by removing most regulations.

The rules are already in place in many lending institutions, January 10th is the final date that all institutions must comply by,.

Ability-to-repay rule states the following.

Lenders must prove that income and assets are sufficient to repay the loan (this applies to jumbo loans as well).
Borrowers must be able to document their jobs.
Credit scores will have to meet a minimum standard.
Borrowers will have to be able to show that they can also still afford other debts associated with the home, such as home equity loans as well as property taxes.
Lenders will consider borrower’s other debts before issuing a mortgage too, such as student loans, car loans, and credit card debt.
Monthly payments must be affordable to the borrower.
Home buyers who fail to qualify for a “qualified mortgage” can still get a mortgage, but mortgage payments must not be more than 43 percent of the borrower’s pre-tax income.

Rules also state

Qualified mortgages cannot have interest-only periods;
2. Qualified mortgages cannot have negative amortization;
3. Qualified mortgages cannot exceed 30 years;
4. Qualified mortgages cannot have balloon payments at the end of the term, with a limited exception for those living in a rural or underserving areas (although who defines that I’m not sure);
5. Qualified mortgages cannot exceed forty-three percent (43%) of a borrower’s monthly pretax income; and
6. Borrowers must provide proof of income or assets.

The key is monthly income, you have to demonstrate a stable monthly income. We clear 100k a year in bad years but I can not prove a stable monthly income, I can go 3 or 4 months with out making a penny then bank 60k in 3 weeks. I’m seeing lenders close business already

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I pay my 50k in taxes a year and they are going to tell me I can’t get a loan now in a 200k house.
Used to prove income with a few years of tax filings, not anymore.

Just f’ing great…

This is about one thing getting the government to take over more of the mortgage industry.

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it's still up to each bank's underwriting department.
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with all the shit fuck mess of oshama care , college loans , work hour cutbacks

real estate prices are going to eat a big shit sandwich as things unravel

pay cash own that shit , laugh at boomers who are pushed out on the ice floes )
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It is also going to affect the average person a lot.


Financial institutions in the business of originating mortgages that they plan to resell on the secondary market to government-sponsored mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will have to raise their standards for approving loans. That is likely to have the biggest impact on working-class families, many of whom are struggling with consumer debt and are living paycheck to paycheck.



The Ability-to-Repay rule, also known as the Qualified Mortgage rule, says borrowers' total debt liability -- including housing -- should not exceed 43 percent of income. A Qualified Mortgage is one that would be qualified for resale on the secondary mortgage market.

The 3 percent test rule says 3 percent of the mortgage amount is the maximum amount of fees that banks can charge a borrower in order for the home loan to be classified as a Qualified Mortgage that can be resold in the secondary market.


[link to www.post-gazette.com]



They are talking any debt, student loans, credit cards, car payments + house payment. So say you gross 3000 a month after taxes, you have a car payment of 400, your max home loan counting taxes will have to be below 900 a month.



I’ll have to go with a credit union I guess from now on. Lot of lenders are going to close their doors, get ready for it.



Want to buy a small affordable house? Not worth the banks time to lend on it with just a 3% profit margin, risk outweighs the rewards.


do the math your self here for your debt. [link to www.bankrate.com]

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How much shit can the democrats fuck up? I mean this just keeps coming and coming!

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with all the shit fuck mess of oshama care , college loans , work hour cutbacks

real estate prices are going to eat a big shit sandwich as things unravel

pay cash own that shit , laugh at boomers who are pushed out on the ice floes )
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The problem with paying cash is I can get a home loan for 4.5% give or take, but with 200k invested I can get a return of 8-10%, meaning it’s better to keep the cash and float a loan for near free money.

the average family who needs a 70,000 dollar house is going to have to go through the government now and with PMI never rolling off on a FHA loan now it’s going to screw everyone.


I have had no debt for over 10 years now, I only keep the house payment because it's basically paying me + the tax breaks. thay been trying to get rid of the tax break also lately.

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so we are to become a nation of renters and part time workers
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so we are to become a nation of renters and part time workers
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aka slaves
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so we are to become a nation of renters and part time workers
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I think that is the goal, they want us more like Europe where houses don’t come on the market and families hold on to houses forever once they own one.

We have 9 buyers for every one house on the market today, they made an artificial shortage to drive prices up, this is why they hold so many foreclosures off the market.

It's driving rent prices up exponentially right now, lot of places have such a line waiting to rent they will not do yearly fixed leases anymore, they are doing month to month and increasing rent all the time. Don't like it get out and the next guy in line will pay the higher price.

I have ¼ million dollar houses in my area that people rent now, it is going to get worse.
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Wow - that is disturbing in many ways
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so we are to become a nation of renters and part time workers
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Most of the 50 States already impose a State Property Tax.. and many Cities as well impose a City Property Tax...

If you don't pay these taxes in due time.. you will be evicted with force... this is the action of a Land LORD... clear and simple.

Secondly, paying a mortgage of any kind up to the day after the final mortgage payment has 'cleared the bank'.. is yet another form of Renting... hence your Loan Mortgage Bank.. is your Land LORD... don't pay in time, and you will be evicted from that land and that house.

Its really all and totally about LAND... nothing else, LAND.

LAND is the key thing.

Who owns the lands in your STATE? Who owns the land within the boundaries of the city or county that you think you own?

Who Owns the Land? And HOW and where is their god given right to do so?
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Feudalism has never ended, not even in the USA.. it simply went occult.. hidden... behind the curtain.
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If you are self-employed and make good money, then why would you borrow?

Pay cash, beat them at their own game.
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Wow - that is disturbing in many ways
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One of the best small lenders I know packed up 3 months ago, closed the business and moved to Ireland for good.

If you have student loan debt, a car payment and a great job, you are not going to be able to get a loan. you'll be over that 43% ratio. the lenders don't even know what to do for the most part, the panic is starting today on all this.

Small business owner? you are screwed. everyone is going to get the shaft on this deal.
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If you are self-employed and make good money, then why would you borrow?

Pay cash, beat them at their own game.
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If I have 40k in the bank I am flat broke, 5k a month to run the business and I might go 4 or 5 months without making a penny. My current loan is 3.5% so my money makes me more invested then it would locked in a house. Inflation calculated the old way is higher than my interest rate on the loan, it’s free money.

+ the old rule, banks will always lend to you when you don’t need the money, so I make sure I have ways to access money just in case. Better to be safe and plan for the worst.

This is going to get ugly, Dodd and Frank working together, what could go wrong? That’s right EVERYTHING!
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And with 'rental' prices going up, up, up, many who are 'renting' even the 'normal termed "rent"' will be going homeless. or at least house-less/land-less.

Just try to squat on Federal or State property or County or City property (all of which used to be called the Commons) and seen what that is really all about... and how you will be treated not only by the governments' office's but your fellow humans that think they own anything.

Its disgusting.
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check this out



Snip; This significantly rebalances the legal relationship between the lender and its borrower, a fact which may impact the value of a residential mortgage and residential mortgage-backed securities (“RMBS”) from several different perspectives. Moreover, mortgage loan purchasers, securitizers, RMBS investors, and equity and debt investors in mortgage-related companies must also consider how the new rule may impact their businesses.

Snip2; There is a broader context, which is beyond the scope of this OnPoint. It includes changes that will follow from new mortgage servicing and foreclosure standards, the creation of risk retention requirements for securitizations, and the reconstruction of the secondary markets.1 Those changes are yet to be fully defined.

Snip3; Loan purchasers will need to develop a new approach to their purchasing strategies. As an initial matter, they will have to decide which of the three types of loans they will be prepared to purchase. They will have to consider the extent to which the legal status of a particular type of loan, as well as the associated risks, costs and potential impediments to foreclosure, may impact their purchase and pricing decisions.

Snip4;Similarly, if the lender decides to make only QM loans, then there may be risks of lending discrimination claims that may arise under disparate impact discrimination theory

[link to www.jdsupra.com]


Government is going to try to take over the entire loan market by default.
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It is not a secrete either. Government is tying the private lenders hand and opening up the government loan floodgate at the same time.

Government is going to step in and save us from the laws the government passed.

What they are complaining about is exactly what they are implementing and made stronger regulations against.

From April this year, a complete contradiction.


Snip; “If you were going to tell people in low-income and moderate-income communities and communities of color there was a housing recovery, they would look at you as if you had two heads,” said John Taylor, president of the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, a nonprofit housing organization. “It is very difficult for people of low and moderate incomes to refinance or buy homes.”

Before the crisis, about 40 percent of home buyers were first-time purchasers. That’s down to 30 percent, according to the National Association of Realtors.

From 2007 through 2012, new-home purchases fell 30 percent for people with credit scores above 780 (out of 800), according to Federal Reserve Governor Elizabeth Duke. But they declined 90 percent for people with scores between 680 and 620 — historically a respectable range for a credit score.

“If the only people who can get a loan have near-perfect credit and are putting down 25 percent, you’re leaving out of the market an entire population of creditworthy folks, which constrains demand and slows the recovery,” said Jim Parrott, who until January was the senior adviser on housing for the White House’s National Economic Council.


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Ready?


HUD has also proposed a Qualified Mortgage standard for FHA loans that will have no debt-to-income limits. HUD said it was making the proposal in order to remain consistent with the housing department's mission to serve underserved borrowers.

[link to www.post-gazette.com]


So the goal is obvious.

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I think we should start investing in micro houses instead, at least those of us that are single and have no kids. The modern U.S. house was designed to be a trap to enslave us to mortgages while fueling our subconscious need to purchase things to fill all that empty space.

Most U.S. citizens don't need a big house, we have been conditioned to need it. It was just one part in the "American Dream" to sell us into consumerism. Now that we have been sucked dry through retail the banks want their land.

Thats right. Why else would a bank give you a mortgage you couldn't pay back? Don't tell me they didn't know what was going on decades ago. They knew once politics wrecked this nation they needed to get in bed with politicians to CYA. They bought them in exchange for a slice of the pie once this nation was brought to its knees. The parasites on the Hill destroyed regulations and the banks went to town on the American People.

Now people are losing their houses left and right and the banks are doing just fine. For a few coin in bribes they secured land which is a much more valuable resource than a fiat dollar. No need to dig through documents to see what is going on there.

Why else would most zoning laws prevent micro houses? A well made one could be easily affordable and not lower your neighbours property value. It's because they don't want you off the mortgage addiction. If you could buy an acre of land and a M. house for less than 10K you could be free of debt in two years. It would shake up the real estate world and banks would lose billions in possible revenue and of course the land should you fail to pay your mortgage.
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Inflation projections say 4.6% national inflation on rent across the board for the next 2 years. Cities will peak a lot faster at near 8% to 15% rent inflation for the next 2 years.

These numbers will be low as less and less qualify for home loans.
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What industry are you in Chrit?
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What industry are you in Chrit?
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I retired a while back, used to work for the bank doing foreclosures, cash for keys, property retention and owned a cleaning company for the same reasons. Wife is one of the top realtors in my state, not by cash amount she makes but by volume. She averages a home sale once every 4 days, she likes first time home buys the most, she is in it to help people not make money.

I still do property preservation once in a while but I don’t sign up anymore for contracts.

We had two lenders call today and say they were getting out of the business, that along with my wifes best friend closing her doors and moving out of the country, lenders are dropping off the board left and right, good lenders.

This is going to hurt a lot of good families looking for that first affordable house. If they are telling me we won’t be able to get a loan with perfect credit, what’s going to happen to the average small business owner? Let alone the average new family looking to buy a house with a little room to grow in.
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What industry are you in Chrit?
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I retired a while back, used to work for the bank doing foreclosures, cash for keys, property retention and owned a cleaning company for the same reasons. Wife is one of the top realtors in my state, not by cash amount she makes but by volume. She averages a home sale once every 4 days, she likes first time home buys the most, she is in it to help people not make money.

I still do property preservation once in a while but I don’t sign up anymore for contracts.

We had two lenders call today and say they were getting out of the business, that along with my wifes best friend closing her doors and moving out of the country, lenders are dropping off the board left and right, good lenders.

This is going to hurt a lot of good families looking for that first affordable house. If they are telling me we won’t be able to get a loan with perfect credit, what’s going to happen to the average small business owner? Let alone the average new family looking to buy a house with a little room to grow in.
 Quoting: Chrit


Yea, this is ridiculous.

Dodd and Frank shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the housing industry.....or any industry for that matter.

Thanks for posting!
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The key is monthly income, you have to demonstrate a stable monthly income. We clear 100k a year in bad years but I can not prove a stable monthly income, I can go 3 or 4 months with out making a penny then bank 60k in 3 weeks. I’m seeing lenders close business already


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Than you need to restructure your pay, I own a business but also pay myself every 2 weeks with check stubs and W-2 forms at end of year, when you make the money don't pay yourself all at once, spread it out with weekly or biweekly checks, than you have your steady monthly income.

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The key is monthly income, you have to demonstrate a stable monthly income. We clear 100k a year in bad years but I can not prove a stable monthly income, I can go 3 or 4 months with out making a penny then bank 60k in 3 weeks. I’m seeing lenders close business already


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Than you need to restructure your pay, I own a business but also pay myself every 2 weeks with check stubs and W-2 forms at end of year, when you make the money don't pay yourself all at once, spread it out with weekly or biweekly checks, than you have your steady monthly income.

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To add to my post I am also a C corp, the checks from my contracts go in the company name and bank account than I cut my biweekly checks from that bank account with all taxes removed as if I was a employee, that the correct way to pay yourself.
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Here's where this is going, Chrit. There hasn't been much talk about it around the industry, and some big players that I've known for years hadn't even heard about it until I told them about it a couple weeks ago, but it's coming. The restrictions of the QM are just too much, and you're right. They're going to run off a lot of otherwise good borrowers and some lenders (and a LOT of brokers, or what's left of them, anyway), but those that stick around are going to find a whole new private market in mortgages spring up, and the guy who created the QM loan is the first out of the gate to offer it. Nice work if you can get it, huh?


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The key is monthly income, you have to demonstrate a stable monthly income. We clear 100k a year in bad years but I can not prove a stable monthly income, I can go 3 or 4 months with out making a penny then bank 60k in 3 weeks. I’m seeing lenders close business already


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Than you need to restructure your pay, I own a business but also pay myself every 2 weeks with check stubs and W-2 forms at end of year, when you make the money don't pay yourself all at once, spread it out with weekly or biweekly checks, than you have your steady monthly income.

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I might turn in to a LLC, but it’s less about me and more about the average “other person.”

Drying up the buyer pool could rotate us back in to another housing stall or worse. The “fix” may just become the real problem.

It’s still up in the air, The best way I see around this is still with a credit union who does not resell the loan, they will not be required to comply with the new federal laws. My bigger fear is a complete government take over of the loan industry as they for the most part did with student loans! How can a lender compete with Fannie or Freddie who is not required to comply with all the new regulations? They can't




BTW H&R block just went back up for sale due to Dodd-Frank. They are now considered a saving and loan holding company and need a bank to purchases them to change their status.

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Here's where this is going, Chrit. There hasn't been much talk about it around the industry, and some big players that I've known for years hadn't even heard about it until I told them about it a couple weeks ago, but it's coming. The restrictions of the QM are just too much, and you're right. They're going to run off a lot of otherwise good borrowers and some lenders (and a LOT of brokers, or what's left of them, anyway), but those that stick around are going to find a whole new private market in mortgages spring up, and the guy who created the QM loan is the first out of the gate to offer it. Nice work if you can get it, huh?


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5* that’s a great write up, very glad you posted it.

I see it coming also, last man standing will be able to make a lot of money. Unless they legislate us out of existence also, that might just happen.

It is a standard modus operandi for the government, create fix for an issue that does not exist then legislate the issue in to existence. Then through legislation require the “fix” to be implemented. The legislators invest heavily in to the company holding the “fix” and once the law is passed they rake in the cash.
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Here's where this is going, Chrit. There hasn't been much talk about it around the industry, and some big players that I've known for years hadn't even heard about it until I told them about it a couple weeks ago, but it's coming. The restrictions of the QM are just too much, and you're right. They're going to run off a lot of otherwise good borrowers and some lenders (and a LOT of brokers, or what's left of them, anyway), but those that stick around are going to find a whole new private market in mortgages spring up, and the guy who created the QM loan is the first out of the gate to offer it. Nice work if you can get it, huh?


Thread: The Qualified Mortgage Conspiracy
 Quoting: Revbo™


5* that’s a great write up, very glad you posted it.

I see it coming also, last man standing will be able to make a lot of money. Unless they legislate us out of existence also, that might just happen.

It is a standard modus operandi for the government, create fix for an issue that does not exist then legislate the issue in to existence. Then through legislation require the “fix” to be implemented. The legislators invest heavily in to the company holding the “fix” and once the law is passed they rake in the cash.
 Quoting: Chrit


I hope they nail that Date bastard to the wall. I'm not surprised, but it's amazing stuff like that is allowed to happen in our government.

Some folks say you're just setting yourself up to be sued through predatory lending by getting into it, but I see it completely differently. You're setting yourself up by doing too much QM. Disparate impact will kill those folks, and the lawyers are going to make a killing tearing into supposedly QM loans, only to find the debt ratio was .0001% too high because of something that wasn't even known at the time of the loan, or they'll say a lender used the wrong interpretation of what fees get calculated in the 3% cap. It's gonna be a big ole mess, man. The nice thing about the non-QM loan is, we're going to be going by the same rules we've always had. There are already state usury laws and APR caps, etc. that we already observe, and we're not going to be operating under the false impression of some non-existent safe harbor.
John 8:32

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.





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