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Soviet Style Punitive Psychiatry Returns to Russia; Is It Practiced in the West?

 
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Soviets' 'Abhorrent' Practice of Punitive Psychiatry Returns

Forced “psychiatric treatment” as a means of punishing political dissenters was used by the Soviet regime since its earliest days... but the practice became widespread after Nikita Khrushchev’s statement in the late 1950s that only the “mentally ill” could be opposed to the Communist government. Under Andropov’s chairmanship of the KGB in the 1960s and 1970s, dozens of prominent political dissidents, human rights activists, and “disloyal” cultural figures... were declared “insane” and subjected to often torturous “treatment” ...

There have already been warning signs that Russian authorities are thinking about a return to the old practice.... But an active pushback by the media and human rights groups...helped prevent other such cases.

This week, the Russian authorities moved again—this time, in a political show trial...against pro-democracy demonstrators...(the defendant) was declared “mentally ill” and ordered to undergo, for an indefinite period of time, compulsory psychiatric treatment. The decision was taken by Judge Ludmila Moskalenko... based on the conclusions of medical experts... from the Serbsky Institute that had become infamous in the Soviet era because of its role in punitive psychiatry.

[link to www.worldaffairsjournal.org]

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Miriam Carey, killed by Capital Police, drove to Washington DC because she was mentally ill [link to www.washingtonpost.com]


John Constantino, who lit himself on fire on National Mall was not making political statement, he was mentally ill [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

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yes
Involuntary commitment
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Want wore relevant "news"?
Unwanted Screening for Disorders Alive and Well in Obamacare
[link to www.cchrflorida.org]
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Having a strong character in a corrupt world is madness...
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I hope it's not the case.

Say no to punitive psychiatry. However, there are crazy people out there making a lot of noise. They are not that crazy. They have however gotten away with things like battery, sexual abuse, stalking, harassment, defamation, psychological torture, etc. But back then a judge didn't care, nor the police.
What are laws for?
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I hope it's not the case.

Say no to punitive psychiatry. However, there are crazy people out there making a lot of noise. They are not that crazy. They have however gotten away with things like battery, sexual abuse, stalking, harassment, defamation, psychological torture, etc. But back then a judge didn't care, nor the police.
What are laws for?
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Oh..the laws.... here educate yourself:

IRS targeted at least 10 conservative groups
[link to www.dispatch.com]
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Sorry, OP, but this is bs. This guy, Kosenko, is scizophrenic since childhood. He came to civil protest area and struck on the head of police guy by brick. He will be sure dead in US.
What shall be done whith him? You cant send him to prison, he will probably kill everyone there. So court send him to a hospital.
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Thanks for the pin

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yes
Involuntary commitment
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Want wore relevant "news"?
Unwanted Screening for Disorders Alive and Well in Obamacare
[link to www.cchrflorida.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47776201


From AC's 2nd link -

Despite such clear evidence that Teenscreen was a fraud, Obamacare mandates and expands mental health screening.

Page 1137 of the The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act provides grants for the operation of school-based health centers required to include “mental health and substance abuse disorder assessments” for children and adolescents.

On page 1191 is found a section on Mental Health Screening that refers to a program called “Healthy Aging, Living Well”. Persons ages 55-64 are being targeted for screening activities that can include “mental health/behavioral health and substance use disorders.”

Obamacare requires mental health services for many other groups.....

With these new forms of screening for disorders coming soon, Americans would be wise to know their rights. Each citizen can decide if taking a potentially dangerous psychiatric drug for a disorder discovered by a government program makes sense to them or not.
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Darby,

In your conducting of audits, have you ever audited U.S. law enforcement activities from during the Vietnam war? Have you ever audited MK Ultra activities? Have you ever audited the current U.S. law enforcement activities.

The United States?...Que diff???...
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Darby,

In your conducting of audits, have you ever audited U.S. law enforcement activities from during the Vietnam war? Have you ever audited MK Ultra activities? Have you ever audited the current U.S. law enforcement activities.

The United States?...Que diff???...
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this ^^^
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That's what Obama-"care" is for.
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He attacked a policeman and was considered mentally ill after medical examination. It often happens, when people play crazy in hopes of not going to jail. He had to go to jail, but thanks to the court's decision that he is mentally unstable he didn't go to jail. Think for a moment. These are the same revolutionaries that are paid by CIA. Journalists have proof that these people regularly visit American embassy. Actually, not many Russian even know what are they protesting against. They are regular libtards and homotards.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience.
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Who me?

What's an audit? I know not of these things...

Gotta go...big plans today BYE

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Who me?

What's an audit? I know not of these things...

Gotta go...big plans today BYE

helicopter
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I see... you cannot audit what you can't see!!!...

But there is a bright side...you cannot audit God as you cannot see him either...just as you cannot see MK Ultra...
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He attacked a policeman and was considered mentally ill after medical examination. It often happens, when people play crazy in hopes of not going to jail. He had to go to jail, but thanks to the court's decision that he is mentally unstable he didn't go to jail. Think for a moment. These are the same revolutionaries that are paid by CIA. Journalists have proof that these people regularly visit American embassy. Actually, not many Russian even know what are they protesting against. They are regular libtards and homotards.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


fuck you shill

Maybe you did not know that even this policeman refused to testimony against him? [link to www.dp.ru]
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That's what Obama-"care" is for.
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It is, isn't it.
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He attacked a policeman and was considered mentally ill after medical examination. It often happens, when people play crazy in hopes of not going to jail. He had to go to jail, but thanks to the court's decision that he is mentally unstable he didn't go to jail. Think for a moment. These are the same revolutionaries that are paid by CIA. Journalists have proof that these people regularly visit American embassy. Actually, not many Russian even know what are they protesting against. They are regular libtards and homotards.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


fuck you shill

Maybe you did not know that even this policeman refused to testimony against him? [link to www.dp.ru]
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Oh right and I am a shill? Fuck you too. Yes I did not know that.
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Yes, it's called incarceration.
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He attacked a policeman and was considered mentally ill after medical examination. It often happens, when people play crazy in hopes of not going to jail. He had to go to jail, but thanks to the court's decision that he is mentally unstable he didn't go to jail. Think for a moment. These are the same revolutionaries that are paid by CIA. Journalists have proof that these people regularly visit American embassy. Actually, not many Russian even know what are they protesting against. They are regular libtards and homotards.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


fuck you shill

Maybe you did not know that even this policeman refused to testimony against him? [link to www.dp.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48238011


Oh right and I am a shill? Fuck you too. Yes I did not know that.
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Well, I will not apologize to you. Because you're doing it
constantly. A clear sign of shill.
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but the practice became widespread after Nikita Khrushchev’s statement in the late 1950s that only the “mentally ill” could be opposed to the Communist government.

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only a lunatic
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No, they just shoot them here.
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No, they just shoot them here.
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You gotta point there....and it is cheaper
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I will not go in to detail:
USSR:
Outspoken community human...as : not happy with the system ...if he is clearly framed for "crime" and sent off to prison...impossible..because he is well known and respected by community ..there is plan B.
KGB watching him and pick him up due to being "drunk" or"loud"....or "sick"...The main goal for community/neighborhood to see that he got sick and went to hospital on emergency vehicle.
The "patient" injected with smart cocktail similar to Platypus venom [link to en.wikipedia.org]
with controlled application of Allodynia
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
When they come back in to society ....they are certified nuts
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I will not go in to detail:
USSR:
Outspoken community human...as : not happy with the system ...if he is clearly framed for "crime" and sent off to prison...impossible..because he is well known and respected by community ..there is plan B.
KGB watching him and pick him up due to being "drunk" or"loud"....or "sick"...The main goal for community/neighborhood to see that he got sick and went to hospital on emergency vehicle.
The "patient" injected with smart cocktail similar to Platypus venom [link to en.wikipedia.org]
with controlled application of Allodynia
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
When they come back in to society ....they are certified nuts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47776201


Doesn't a few doses of LSD have same effect?
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I will not go in to detail:
USSR:
Outspoken community human...as : not happy with the system ...if he is clearly framed for "crime" and sent off to prison...impossible..because he is well known and respected by community ..there is plan B.
KGB watching him and pick him up due to being "drunk" or"loud"....or "sick"...The main goal for community/neighborhood to see that he got sick and went to hospital on emergency vehicle.
The "patient" injected with smart cocktail similar to Platypus venom [link to en.wikipedia.org]
with controlled application of Allodynia
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
When they come back in to society ....they are certified nuts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47776201


Doesn't a few doses of LSD have same effect?
 Quoting: JustDarby


for me, it is the ABC
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I will not go in to detail:
USSR:
Outspoken community human...as : not happy with the system ...if he is clearly framed for "crime" and sent off to prison...impossible..because he is well known and respected by community ..there is plan B.
KGB watching him and pick him up due to being "drunk" or"loud"....or "sick"...The main goal for community/neighborhood to see that he got sick and went to hospital on emergency vehicle.
The "patient" injected with smart cocktail similar to Platypus venom [link to en.wikipedia.org]
with controlled application of Allodynia
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
When they come back in to society ....they are certified nuts
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47776201


Doesn't a few doses of LSD have same effect?
 Quoting: JustDarby


Brain damage from pain leaves different mark....almost normal person...never violent...still productive member of society.
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He attacked a policeman and was considered mentally ill after medical examination. It often happens, when people play crazy in hopes of not going to jail. He had to go to jail, but thanks to the court's decision that he is mentally unstable he didn't go to jail. Think for a moment. These are the same revolutionaries that are paid by CIA. Journalists have proof that these people regularly visit American embassy. Actually, not many Russian even know what are they protesting against. They are regular libtards and homotards.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


fuck you shill

Maybe you did not know that even this policeman refused to testimony against him? [link to www.dp.ru]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48238011


Oh right and I am a shill? Fuck you too. Yes I did not know that.
 Quoting: shyrlymyrly


Well, I will not apologize to you. Because you're doing it
constantly. A clear sign of shill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48238011


Pff. I'm not apologizing to you too. I think the same about you. A clear sign of a shill is when a person comments on specific threads and overlooks other threads while attacking people personally. Also all shills are liberals. You go well into these characteristics.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience.
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just talk about time travel in the west, and you'll see the asylium very quickly. different political party, same shit.
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Soviets' 'Abhorrent' Practice of Punitive Psychiatry Returns

Forced “psychiatric treatment” as a means of punishing political dissenters was used by the Soviet regime since its earliest days... but the practice became widespread after Nikita Khrushchev’s statement in the late 1950s that only the “mentally ill” could be opposed to the Communist government. Under Andropov’s chairmanship of the KGB in the 1960s and 1970s, dozens of prominent political dissidents, human rights activists, and “disloyal” cultural figures... were declared “insane” and subjected to often torturous “treatment” ...

There have already been warning signs that Russian authorities are thinking about a return to the old practice.... But an active pushback by the media and human rights groups...helped prevent other such cases.

This week, the Russian authorities moved again—this time, in a political show trial...against pro-democracy demonstrators...(the defendant) was declared “mentally ill” and ordered to undergo, for an indefinite period of time, compulsory psychiatric treatment. The decision was taken by Judge Ludmila Moskalenko... based on the conclusions of medical experts... from the Serbsky Institute that had become infamous in the Soviet era because of its role in punitive psychiatry.

[link to www.worldaffairsjournal.org]
 Quoting: JustDarby


they are a bunch of homosexuals... throw the lot of them in prison putin...
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Sorry, OP, but this is bs. This guy, Kosenko, is scizophrenic since childhood. He came to civil protest area and struck on the head of police guy by brick. He will be sure dead in US.
What shall be done whith him? You cant send him to prison, he will probably kill everyone there. So court send him to a hospital.
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THIS! 5a