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The one about the sofa is interesting, haven't seen that before
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It's an interesting theory, makes you think though.

Interesting info about the police dogs too...

Keela, The pride of South Yorkshire
Keela is a top dog in the police world, earning more in a day than her force's Chief Constable by working on some of the country's highest-profile crimes.

The 16-month-old springer spaniel can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

The South Yorkshire Police dog has already helped forces across the country, including working on the stabbing of Abigail Witchalls in Surrey.



Used across the world for his accuracy, seven-year-old hound Eddie helped police put Trevor Hamilton behind bars in 2006 after the victim recovery dog found 63-year- old Attracta Harron's blood on the 23-year-old murderer's burned-out Hyundai.

Eddie, who works for South Yorkshire police, also located Attracta's body in a shallow grave in April 2003 and has worked on over 200 cases.

Last year the dog and his handlers returned to Ulster for a third time to help find missing Arlene Arkinson.

The Tyrone teenager went missing after leaving a disco in Bundoran, Co Donegal, on August 13, 1994.

Both Eddie and Keela have also been used in various disappearance and murder cases in the US, UK and the Republic of Ireland.


[link to www.mccannfiles.com]

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Would be one hell of a coincidence if someone else had died in that apartment and those involved had rented the same car...
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Would be one hell of a coincidence if someone else had died in that apartment and those involved had rented the same car...
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Indeed lol but nobody had ever died there
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The cadaver dog alerted to a body on the 2nd self from the bottom, only big enough for the body of a small child.
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Would be one hell of a coincidence if someone else had died in that apartment and those involved had rented the same car...
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Indeed lol but nobody had ever died there
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Exactly... until then. They found the scent on Kate McCann's trousers as well.
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Exposed how? And exposed as what?
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did they sell their child to some rich pervert?

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I always felt they sold their daughter.
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Exposed how? And exposed as what?
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did they sell their child to some rich pervert?

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Perhaps, although evidence seems to suggest otherwise. It would perhaps explain why they refused access to their financial records.
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who the hell are McCanns ???

wtf
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who the hell are McCanns ???

wtf
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Read back over the info in the previous page... it may help you... reading things tends to provide information...
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Why these 2 havnt been prosecuted by now is beyond me. They are guilty in oh so many ways!!!
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I read that the "father" had contacts in high places regarding some heart issue with Cameron or one of those types of men............don't remember where, but it has been stated as a fact.
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I read that the "father" had contacts in high places regarding some heart issue with Cameron or one of those types of men............don't remember where, but it has been stated as a fact.
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Pretty sure that is the case. There were rumours that the first person he called was Gordon Brown... Don't know if it is true or not, but food for thought.
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So if the dogs did discover blood and cadaver odour, why haven't forensic teams uncovered DNA evidence?
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The cadaver dog gave an alert outside the car and inside the boot; one or both dogs gave alerts at Cuddle Cat, Kate's clothes and the Bible. John Barrett, a retired Scotland Yard dog handler, dismissed the cadaver-dog claim at the time, telling journalists the dogs could only detect the scent of a cadaver up to 28 days after a death
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It's all in this documentary, I had very little doubt over what happened after watching this:


 Quoting: El_Duderino


A lot of people just refuse to believe that though.
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That's because some people refuse to accept certain notions, then put up a wall...

If all the evidence points to something, then you bring in additional variables such as forensics and police dogs, and still the evidence is clear, why would you ignore it?

It's seemed off since day one...

Why wouldn't the McCann's allow access to their financial records?

Why didn't any of the 'Tapas 7' give a proper statement?

Why was there traces of Maddie's DNA in the boot of the hire car that was hired AFTER her 'disappearance'?

Why did two separate police dogs both identify places in the apartment with the smell of death and blood? Then identify the same in the hire car?

Why did Kate McCann feel the need to wash Maddie's favourite toy (Cuddle Cat) straight after her disappearance?


Just a few unanswered questions...
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very good points.

but what i don't understand is, why do they keep reviving this story over and over? surley someone guilty of murder would do everything they can to keep the attention off of them
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And then there's this:

The Criminal Profiler Pat Brown wrote in an open letter to Kate McCann:

It isn’t your breast size or weight that is causing your problems. It is you and your narcissist evaluation of the situation and your PR team’s equally stupid assessment of the situation that is making you look so bad in the public eye.

I am a criminal profiler with years of experience dealing with parents of murder victims and missing relatives. Your behavior and the behavior of your husband fall far outside or the norm for grieving parents.

Now, this may be because you are just terribly narcisstic folks who had nothing to do with your child going missing (outside of neglecting your children and putting your needs to party before their needs for comfort and safety, a narcissistic behavior if I have ever seen one).

You and Gerry may simply be so narcissistic you have no understanding of how other people view your behaviors and your PR team may share your narcissism so that no one on your team has a clue to normal human behavior.

But, SHUT UP! Every time you open your mouths you do more damage to yourselves. You seem guiltier by the day. Your attempt at “damage control” is so obvious and so very much a day late and a dollar short, everything you do or say seems a cover up and a transparent attempt at proving your innocence.

Let me make clear what I think is weird about what you say and do:

You choose words about Madeleine’s disappearance which make it appear you know there is no abductor and that Madeleine is dead.

Both you and Gerry state your only guilt in the matter is not being their when Madeleine “was taken.” This statement makes no sense for abduction as Madeleine could not be taken if either of you were with Maddie when an abductor would have shown up. It makes more sense in the context that Maddie died while you were not in the apartment.

Your statements and attitude about Madeleine being alive do not square with parents who really believe their daughter is in the hands of a pedophile or pedophiles who are brutally raping and torturing her daily.

Your attempts at “finding” Madeleine do not represent the manner most parents would choose if they were actively searching for a live child but appear more to be the actions of parents trying to prove after the fact of a child’s death that they “cared” (not care) about her.

Your behaviors of “keeping a normal routine” and “keeping up one’s appearance” is admirable, but extremely bizarre. I don’t know any other parents of missing children who can appear so together and cheery. When my daughter cooked our kittens by accident in the dryer, I cancelled Christmas.

Gerry’s blog creeps people out. It is too upbeat. Terrified and distraught parents of missing children are rarely able to jog and play tennis and go to park with their other kids and have a fun time. Over a long period of time, maybe, but this is usually years after the nightmare begins. Some parents never recover from the trauma and it is common for marriages to fail and the brothers and sisters to feel their parents went absent after their sibling went missing.

Your ability to sleep at night after the first five days, Kate, is beyond belief. It is the behavior of one who already knows the answer and even then, is quite a narcissistic trait. If you believed your daughter was being raped as you lay in bed at night, sleep would be very hard to come by. I guess you finally realize this and your mother is saying that NOW you can’t sleep and Madeleine comes to visit you in the night. What changed, Kate?

Your PR team coming up with an answer to every accusation, answers that are ludicrous in themselves, makes you seem awfully defensive, and, if there is no way you or Gerry had anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance, you have nothing to defend. Furthermore, if all you care about is finding Maddie, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on such silliness. After all, as Gerry said, Maddie is the only important thing, right?

So, SHUT UP, Kate. SHUT UP, GERRY. Fire your PR team as they are totally worthless. If both of you really are innocent and you think Maddie is alive, return to Portugal. Start searching for real (and it took six months to set up a hotline?). Cooperate with the police. Take the polygraphs as you have zero to hide and, with competent polygraph examiners, the questions are so simple you can’t screw them up. I will even give you the four questions that should be asked:

“Did Madeleine die while you were present?”

“Did you return to the apartment and find Madeleine dying or dead?”

“Did you move Madeleine’s body at any time?”

“Did your spouse move Madeleine’s body at any time?”

These are simple questions.

The answer to all of them should be “No.”

There is no ambiguity in these questions (unlike a question such as “Do you feel responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine?” which you could if you acknowledge leaving her without an adult caretaker is irresponsible; an affirmative answer to such a question would be useless to the detectives as it could falsely indicate that you had something to do with Maddie going missing when you are only feeling guilty over leaving her unattended.

Also, an affirmative answer could mean you simply do not feel responsible for what happened to Maddie no matter what happened to her as a total narcissist might).

The above four questions are simple and unambiguous and even a narcissist can’t misconstrue the meaning of the questions. The answers will be a simple “Yes” or “No.” Have the polygraph session videotaped so the police will be unable to do any underhanded scare tactics or interrogation that might distort the results of the tests.

Quite frankly, Kate, you and Gerry had everything going for you as parents of a missing child if you hadn’t left your children unattended night after night to go out partying.

THIS is what made people dislike you.

It was to your advantage that you are both relatively attractive people because IF you had big breasts and a porky physique and were not well-heeled professionals, you would have become suspects right off the bat and you would have not had the incredible monetary support you have been blessed with nor all those kindly letters.

You would have been viewed as just a pair of slobs who probably abused their children as well as neglected them and you wouldn’t have gotten the phenomenal amount of publicity worldwide concerning Maddie’s disappearance.

Other parents have gone public, run campaigns, and had web sites, but your fortune with publicity and support has been unprecedented.

And, you complain, Kate, that people are treating you badly because you are fit!

It was being fit and professional and well-off that got you so much attention.

It was you and Gerry’s fitness as parents and your peculiar behaviors that got you the negative attention.
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So if the dogs did discover blood and cadaver odour, why haven't forensic teams uncovered DNA evidence?
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They did...

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

DNA samples that are a "100 per cent match" to Madeleine McCann have been found in her parents' hire car and holiday apartment, it has been claimed

Sources close to the case said the traces - understood to be blood - were being treated by Portuguese detectives as strong evidence that Madeleine died in the apartment before her body was placed in the car.
Police in the Algarve apparently now believe they have enough evidence to charge her parents, Kate and Gerry, with "accidentally" killing the four-year-old and hiding her body. A file on the case will today be sent to a prosecutor who could order the couple to return to Portugal to face charges this week.


The source claimed that two DNA samples found in the McCanns' hire car - one apparently a full match to Madeleine and one partial - were of a type that suggested they had come directly from her body, rather than from clothes she had worn.


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they are related to some mp somethink mcCann and he was buzzing buddies with jimmy saville and p philip
also was a trustee to the isle of white care home scandle

link also was in charge of how much money should be spent on pedos caught using credit card details for a chil porn racket
most mps are involved in




have you a link that shows how they were bosom buddies, or is this more whataboutery??
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i dont know if they will be exposed, but why this new set of "evidences" surfacing 6 years after the girl "disappeared"?

new suspect portraits, some man saying he was with maddie a couple of weeks ago, even a bbc show?

they sure have a good media team
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Dickhead - its because the useless Portuguese police didn't do a proper job of investigating, having decided the McCanns were guilty so that was that. The UK's only just persuaded them to let the British police do a proper job, one that should have been done six years ago!
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You are Dickhead, portuegese police did exelent job
i was watching about month ago on Tv where they talked
including policeman who was fired later they had something
but on strong eviodence,even body sniffing dog was pointing that maddie was killed in there appartment...
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The rage from the public towards the parents will be unreal if they are convicted, they won't last long at all.


just seeing them on tv bleeting for help knowing they are responsible makes my blood boil
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Found this part interesting...

A sample that was a full match to Madeleine's DNA was allegedly found on the windowsill of the McCanns' apartment at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Although the nature of the sample was not disclosed, previous reports claimed that blood had been found by sniffer dogs.
One Portuguese newspaper claimed that "biological fluids" with an 80 per cent match to Madeleine were found under the carpet in the boot of the McCanns' hire car, which was rented 25 days after she disappeared.


Forensic experts in the UK have pointed out that if the samples found in the car were hair or skin they would be of little evidential value as they could have rubbed off Madeleine's toys or clothing.


So how could the UK experts assertain that the DNA in the car had 'rubbed off' Maddies toys or clothing when they rented the car 25 days later??

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
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And then there's this:

The Criminal Profiler Pat Brown wrote in an open letter to Kate McCann:

It isn’t your breast size or weight that is causing your problems. It is you and your narcissist evaluation of the situation and your PR team’s equally stupid assessment of the situation that is making you look so bad in the public eye.

I am a criminal profiler with years of experience dealing with parents of murder victims and missing relatives. Your behavior and the behavior of your husband fall far outside or the norm for grieving parents.

Now, this may be because you are just terribly narcisstic folks who had nothing to do with your child going missing (outside of neglecting your children and putting your needs to party before their needs for comfort and safety, a narcissistic behavior if I have ever seen one).

You and Gerry may simply be so narcissistic you have no understanding of how other people view your behaviors and your PR team may share your narcissism so that no one on your team has a clue to normal human behavior.

But, SHUT UP! Every time you open your mouths you do more damage to yourselves. You seem guiltier by the day. Your attempt at “damage control” is so obvious and so very much a day late and a dollar short, everything you do or say seems a cover up and a transparent attempt at proving your innocence.

Let me make clear what I think is weird about what you say and do:

You choose words about Madeleine’s disappearance which make it appear you know there is no abductor and that Madeleine is dead.

Both you and Gerry state your only guilt in the matter is not being their when Madeleine “was taken.” This statement makes no sense for abduction as Madeleine could not be taken if either of you were with Maddie when an abductor would have shown up. It makes more sense in the context that Maddie died while you were not in the apartment.

Your statements and attitude about Madeleine being alive do not square with parents who really believe their daughter is in the hands of a pedophile or pedophiles who are brutally raping and torturing her daily.

Your attempts at “finding” Madeleine do not represent the manner most parents would choose if they were actively searching for a live child but appear more to be the actions of parents trying to prove after the fact of a child’s death that they “cared” (not care) about her.

Your behaviors of “keeping a normal routine” and “keeping up one’s appearance” is admirable, but extremely bizarre. I don’t know any other parents of missing children who can appear so together and cheery. When my daughter cooked our kittens by accident in the dryer, I cancelled Christmas.

Gerry’s blog creeps people out. It is too upbeat. Terrified and distraught parents of missing children are rarely able to jog and play tennis and go to park with their other kids and have a fun time. Over a long period of time, maybe, but this is usually years after the nightmare begins. Some parents never recover from the trauma and it is common for marriages to fail and the brothers and sisters to feel their parents went absent after their sibling went missing.

Your ability to sleep at night after the first five days, Kate, is beyond belief. It is the behavior of one who already knows the answer and even then, is quite a narcissistic trait. If you believed your daughter was being raped as you lay in bed at night, sleep would be very hard to come by. I guess you finally realize this and your mother is saying that NOW you can’t sleep and Madeleine comes to visit you in the night. What changed, Kate?

Your PR team coming up with an answer to every accusation, answers that are ludicrous in themselves, makes you seem awfully defensive, and, if there is no way you or Gerry had anything to do with Maddie’s disappearance, you have nothing to defend. Furthermore, if all you care about is finding Maddie, you shouldn’t be wasting your time on such silliness. After all, as Gerry said, Maddie is the only important thing, right?

So, SHUT UP, Kate. SHUT UP, GERRY. Fire your PR team as they are totally worthless. If both of you really are innocent and you think Maddie is alive, return to Portugal. Start searching for real (and it took six months to set up a hotline?). Cooperate with the police. Take the polygraphs as you have zero to hide and, with competent polygraph examiners, the questions are so simple you can’t screw them up. I will even give you the four questions that should be asked:

“Did Madeleine die while you were present?”

“Did you return to the apartment and find Madeleine dying or dead?”

“Did you move Madeleine’s body at any time?”

“Did your spouse move Madeleine’s body at any time?”

These are simple questions.

The answer to all of them should be “No.”

There is no ambiguity in these questions (unlike a question such as “Do you feel responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine?” which you could if you acknowledge leaving her without an adult caretaker is irresponsible; an affirmative answer to such a question would be useless to the detectives as it could falsely indicate that you had something to do with Maddie going missing when you are only feeling guilty over leaving her unattended.

Also, an affirmative answer could mean you simply do not feel responsible for what happened to Maddie no matter what happened to her as a total narcissist might).

The above four questions are simple and unambiguous and even a narcissist can’t misconstrue the meaning of the questions. The answers will be a simple “Yes” or “No.” Have the polygraph session videotaped so the police will be unable to do any underhanded scare tactics or interrogation that might distort the results of the tests.

Quite frankly, Kate, you and Gerry had everything going for you as parents of a missing child if you hadn’t left your children unattended night after night to go out partying.

THIS is what made people dislike you.

It was to your advantage that you are both relatively attractive people because IF you had big breasts and a porky physique and were not well-heeled professionals, you would have become suspects right off the bat and you would have not had the incredible monetary support you have been blessed with nor all those kindly letters.

You would have been viewed as just a pair of slobs who probably abused their children as well as neglected them and you wouldn’t have gotten the phenomenal amount of publicity worldwide concerning Maddie’s disappearance.

Other parents have gone public, run campaigns, and had web sites, but your fortune with publicity and support has been unprecedented.

And, you complain, Kate, that people are treating you badly because you are fit!

It was being fit and professional and well-off that got you so much attention.

It was you and Gerry’s fitness as parents and your peculiar behaviors that got you the negative attention.
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It's an interesting read, his grammar is poor though...which is never usually a good sign. Still, it's what many of have been thinking.
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The rage from the public towards the parents will be unreal if they are convicted, they won't last long at all.


just seeing them on tv bleeting for help knowing they are responsible makes my blood boil
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Remember also there was talk of a film just a year or two after the event.

Why would you want to do that?

Money?
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They are saying the e-fit is of the same person. Smith said he was 60-80% sure it was Gerry McCann carrying the girl. Given that the e-fits seem entirely different, it seems they are putting his observations at about 40% now. More muddying.....All in the name of Freemasonry covering up
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So if the dogs did discover blood and cadaver odour, why haven't forensic teams uncovered DNA evidence?
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They did...

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

DNA samples that are a "100 per cent match" to Madeleine McCann have been found in her parents' hire car and holiday apartment, it has been claimed

Sources close to the case said the traces - understood to be blood - were being treated by Portuguese detectives as strong evidence that Madeleine died in the apartment before her body was placed in the car.
Police in the Algarve apparently now believe they have enough evidence to charge her parents, Kate and Gerry, with "accidentally" killing the four-year-old and hiding her body. A file on the case will today be sent to a prosecutor who could order the couple to return to Portugal to face charges this week.


The source claimed that two DNA samples found in the McCanns' hire car - one apparently a full match to Madeleine and one partial - were of a type that suggested they had come directly from her body, rather than from clothes she had worn.

 Quoting: El_Duderino


"It has been claimed"

And later refuted due to misinterpretation of British DNA evidence by Portuguese police….


British DNA analysis
Material, including hair and other fibres, was collected from the areas in the apartment and car that the dogs had reacted to, and was sent to the Forensic Science Service (FSS) in Birmingham for DNA profiling.[65] The FSS used a technique known as low copy number (LCN) DNA analysis, which they had developed in 1999.[66] LCN DNA is used when only a few cells are available for testing; it is viewed as controversial because the test is more sensitive than other techniques, and therefore more vulnerable to contamination and misinterpretation.[67] On 3 September 2007 John Lowe of the FSS emailed Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior of the Leicestershire police to say that a sample from the boot of the car contained 15 out of 19 of Madeleine's DNA components. He wrote that the result was "too complex for meaningful interpretation":
A complex LCN [low copy number] DNA result which appeared to have originated from at least three people was obtained from cellular material recovered from the luggage compartment section ... Within the DNA profile of Madeleine McCann there are 20 DNA components represented by 19 peaks on a chart. ... Of these 19 components 15 are present within the result from this item; there are 37 components in total. There are 37 components because there are at least 3 contributors; but there could be up to five contributors. In my opinion therefore this result is too complex for meaningful interpretation/inclusion. ... The individual components in Madeleine's profile are not unique to her; it is the specific combination of 19 components that makes her profile unique above all others. Elements of Madeleine's profile are also present within the profiles of many of the scientists here in Birmingham, myself included. It's important to stress that 50% of Madeleine's profile will be shared with each parent. It is not possible, in a mixture of more than two people, to determine or evaluate which specific DNA components pair with each other. ... Therefore, we cannot answer the question: Is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.[68]
The email was translated into Portuguese on 4 September. Portuguese police nevertheless told Gerry McCann on 7 September that Madeleine's DNA had been found in the boot of the car and behind the sofa in the apartment.[69] Both Kate and Gerry were named as suspects that day.[70]
Journalists in Portugal were told that the DNA evidence was a "100 percent match."[71] A British tabloid published the front-page headline, "Brit Lab Bombshell: Car DNA is 100% Maddie's," while another reported that "a clump of Maddie's hair" had been found in the car.[72] Jerry Lawton, a reporter with the Daily Star, a British tabloid, told the Leveson Inquiry in 2012 that the leaks came directly from the Portuguese police, and caused a "sea change" in the way the case was viewed by the media.[73] Matt Baggott told the inquiry that it was this misinterpretation of the DNA evidence by the Portuguese police that led them to conclude that the McCanns had faked an abduction to cover up Madeleine's death. Baggott knew that the DNA evidence was being wrongly interpreted, but because the Portuguese were in charge of the inquiry, he did not correct reporters who were being briefed by Portuguese police that the McCanns were involved.[8]
On 5 September, according to Kate writing in 2011, the Polícia Judiciária proposed that, if she were to admit that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment and that she had hidden the body, she might only serve a two-year sentence; Gerry would not be charged and would be free to leave.[74]

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Exposed? It's about time... their benevolent, tax-free fund should be taken over by a legitimate charitable organization which tries to search for missing children. Defund them and they will evaporate into oblivion!


I stand with AMARAL - Maddie died on May 3rd in the apartment.

I stand with Eddie and Keela - her death from evidence behind the sofa... and the mystery of:

- who hid her body and where (ask Pope Francis to bring that "English priest" to the Vatican and grill him until he tells all)

- why the corpse may have been moved weeks later in the truck of the rental car (where the sniffer dogs alerted) on that strange journey to Spain taken by the McCanns

- why the Vatican, initially supportive, suddenly distanced itself from this Roman Catholic couple

- why two average country doctors had such incredible backing from the UK powers that be and from media mogls and from gazillionaires such as Branson. Who the heck are Kate and Gerry McCann anyway? Are they MI6 agent in deep cover working for the slooksters? Like... what exactly is their cachet? How many missing kiddies are there in the UK and why have no other frantic families received this level of support from those in high places? Also... they lawyer up and sue everyone (or threaten to do so). Isn't thisgraounds for suspicion? Bottom line: their partying and neglect of the children was inexcusable; the twins should have be taken from them and put into child protection custody as soon as Maddie vanished; their medical licences should have be re-evaluated. All this McCann-generated media and legal bluster was just a distraction to cover their guilt and responsibility for the probably accidental death of their child who was left alone in a strange vacation apartment without adequate child supervision... like not even a baby monitor which another couple of the infamous "Tapas 7" were using to chack on their own child.

VIndicate the PJ and Goncalo Amaral. Find out where the remains of Maddie were hidden. Bring the McCanns to justice for the consequences of their reckless partying and child neglect. NOW!
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I have a feeling she is going to turn up alive .... crazy as it sounds ....
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She will probably turn up in a Renault mccann
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It's all in this documentary, I had very little doubt over what happened after watching this:


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A lot of people just refuse to believe that though.
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That's because some people refuse to accept certain notions, then put up a wall...

If all the evidence points to something, then you bring in additional variables such as forensics and police dogs, and still the evidence is clear, why would you ignore it?

It's seemed off since day one...

Why wouldn't the McCann's allow access to their financial records?

Why didn't any of the 'Tapas 7' give a proper statement?

Why was there traces of Maddie's DNA in the boot of the hire car that was hired AFTER her 'disappearance'?

Why did two separate police dogs both identify places in the apartment with the smell of death and blood? Then identify the same in the hire car?

Why did Kate McCann feel the need to wash Maddie's favourite toy (Cuddle Cat) straight after her disappearance?


Just a few unanswered questions...
 Quoting: El_Duderino



very good points.

but what i don't understand is, why do they keep reviving this story over and over? surley someone guilty of murder would do everything they can to keep the attention off of them
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Money......And they know they are being protected so they can have their 15 minutes of fame 4 times in every hour....Typical sadists
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The statements below were given by two English Doctors, Arul and Katherina Gaspar, to Leicestershire Constabulary thirteen days after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The Doctors Gaspar had previously shared a holiday in Majorca with Kate and Gerry McCann along with David and Fiona Payne.

Sufficiently concerned by the inappropriate behaviour displayed by David Payne in an interaction with Gerry McCann, motivated Katherina Gaspar and her husband Arul Gaspar to approach Leicestershire Constabulary and make statements to that effect.

It must be noted that both statements given by the Gaspars were withheld by Leicestershire Constabulary for a period of over six months.

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