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New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)

 
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New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Yesterdays Info:

# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


Today's info:

Orbit Determination Parameters
# obs. used (total) 5152
data-arc span 746 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-15
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .6617
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-15 11:12:07



It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now

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# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now


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Shhh...you will ruin the ISON doom tards day.
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
So.....doom OFF?
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So.....doom OFF?
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Doom was Never ON
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now


 Quoting: Rogue Lemming


Shhh...you will ruin the ISON doom tards day.
 Quoting: Emlapal


so, we're still in it's dust tail... who gives a damn.


one day judgement will come, and fleeing won't help, neither will hiding.
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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
So.....doom OFF?
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I don't think so. Both Ison and Lovejoy are electron-charged capacitors, and as such, will each have an effect on solar activity, and by extension, earthquake activity. There will be a steady uptick of big quakes beginning now (Asteroid 2010 HR80 - Phillipines 7.1) through November.
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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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Your stupidity is amazing. baaaaaa
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theres a youtube guy who nailed this he said ISON changed directions yet GLP shills like Dr-Astro and his friend debunked the thread quickly
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So.....doom OFF?
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Doom was Never ON
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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I am a skeptic all of things, but you need to take into account all the new info you get these days irregardless the source IMO
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Well if changes once, it can change again.

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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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i should agree with this!! NASA is basically a government extension (they keep the cosmic gems hidden from the public) and release the garbage (with retouched images) we already knew about the universe

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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
We will find out if there is anything to the dust cloud when we pass through it. I mean we can't really do anything about it anyway. Only the rich and elite have the power and influence to prepare for major disasters, the rest of us plebs will just have to bite the bullet when it comes.
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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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Your stupidity is amazing. baaaaaa
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“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Well if changes once, it can change again.

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yes! doom back on!

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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now


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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
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You don't trust NASA?

Well, what self-respecting person would?

NASA wants us to believe that there MAY be other life in the Universe besides that on Earth, but that it would be microbial in form.

We don't need this "flat-Earth" organization telling us anything! Its withholding of the truth has made it irrelevant.
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Fuck this shit comet. No facemelting, no fun. F uuuuuck.
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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
I am with the anti's on this one.. I have a hard time believing anything nasa has to say without backup from our debunkers, doomtards and respectable brains of this forum and interweb. Believing is what got us it trouble in the first place.



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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now


 Quoting: Rogue Lemming


Shhh...you will ruin the ISON doom tards day.
 Quoting: Emlapal


so, we're still in it's dust tail... who gives a damn.


one day judgement will come, and fleeing won't help, neither will hiding.
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"One day... someday......"
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So.....doom OFF?
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Doom was Never ON
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when it's obvious that the authorities don't have
any idea, at all, what the hell is happening it's: Double DOOM.

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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Or maybe it did change course!!!
NASA says it will come out ahead of earths orbital path and miss the Northern close approach. Keep paying your taxes.. Doom Averted

fuckyeah5

Or Logic so far says: this thing is going to discharge all over earth and electricfry are asses just like it did to mars and the goverment shut down and EBT cards are just a test run. The DUMBS are locked and loaded the training has been completed and COMMON FUCKEN SENSE HAS TO KICK IN sometime..!!!


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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
# obs. used (total) 5131
data-arc span 745 days (2.04 yr)
first obs. used 2011-09-30
last obs. used 2013-10-14
planetary ephem. DE431
SB-pert. ephem. SB431-BIG16
fit RMS .65678
data source ORB
producer Otto Matic
solution date 2013-Oct-14 17:14:05


It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now


 Quoting: Rogue Lemming


- "significant albeit slight changes"
- "no longer have a nearly perfect pass over the north pole of earth just before new years"
- "The comet is still going to cross over our trajectory at that time."
- "The comet is expected to leave closer to its general incoming direction, however"

This guy is very confused.

- The changes are insignificant.
- The comet never had "a nearly perfect pass over the north pole of earth". Where, and how, did this moran come up with that? (mis)Using the JPL orbit java toy I'll bet.
When it crosses earth's orbit in late December it will be ahead of earth, for both the old and new orbits which differ by less than 12000 miles at that time.
- Using my Samuel L. Jackson impression and being pedantic: "English mofo! Do you speak it? It's called an "orbit", not a "trajectory". Trajectory is conventionally used for parabolic and hyperbolic motions... on earth."
- It is not. Where, and how, did this moran come up with that? (mis)Using the JPL orbit java toy I'll bet.

The changes to the obit are so slight you can't see them even in January without a good telescope and astrometry:

old:
2013-Dec-31 00:00 -- 16 35 15.28, +67 18 00.0 1.101761368954, 0.44239565649452
Date________________R.A.________Dec_______sun distance____earth distance
new:
2013-Dec-31 00:00 16 35 14.63, +67 18 04.0 1.101779980082, 0.44241432216320
For the maths challenged that is a separation of 0.0015 degrees.
1.5 thousandths of a degree.
The old position is ~12000 miles from the new position in January.
Virtually nothing except to astronomers.

Well, at least he isn't cying "DOOM!!!!!!", but I don't listen to him so ...
If this guy is who you all think is 'great', you may want to reconsider. In this vid he is certainly better than MrCartoonwatcher (aka BPEarthwatch), but he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about science, and he'd be lost without the JPL orbit toy.
Be careful with what he says since he seems to get most of it wrong.
Should he start crying "DOOM!!!!", remember that he doesn't know what he's talking about and 12 year olds can make RubeTube vids pretending to have knowledge of that which they are ignorant.


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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
 Quoting: pft 1334077


i should agree with this!! NASA is basically a government extension (they keep the cosmic gems hidden from the public) and release the garbage (with retouched images) we already knew about the universe

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48397437


Either of you geniuses care to cite where NASA has lied about scientific data?
Just because you've misinterpreted the data in your ignorance doesn't meant they are lying... it means you are ignorant.
Just because it doesn't agree with your delusion doesn't mean they are lying... it means you are delusional.

Looking at the record I'd say NASA/Rationalists/Debunkers have a 100% accuracy rate on DOOM!!!!!!
and the kOOks/Hoaxers/Fringers have a 0% accuracy rate.

You know the saying -
Put up or shut up...


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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
 Quoting: pft 1334077


i should agree with this!! NASA is basically a government extension (they keep the cosmic gems hidden from the public) and release the garbage (with retouched images) we already knew about the universe

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48397437


Either of you geniuses care to cite where NASA has lied about scientific data?

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NASA can't even grind a telescope mirror correctly.

(Ref: Hubble HST #1)

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So.....doom OFF?
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I don't think so. Both Ison and Lovejoy are electron-charged capacitors, and as such, will each have an effect on solar activity, and by extension, earthquake activity. There will be a steady uptick of big quakes beginning now (Asteroid 2010 HR80 - Phillipines 7.1) through November.
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Prove it...
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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
 Quoting: pft 1334077


i should agree with this!! NASA is basically a government extension (they keep the cosmic gems hidden from the public) and release the garbage (with retouched images) we already knew about the universe

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48397437


Either of you geniuses care to cite where NASA has lied about scientific data?
Just because you've misinterpreted the data in your ignorance doesn't meant they are lying... it means you are ignorant.
Just because it doesn't agree with your delusion doesn't mean they are lying... it means you are delusional.

Looking at the record I'd say NASA/Rationalists/Debunkers have a 100% accuracy rate on DOOM!!!!!!
and the kOOks/Hoaxers/Fringers have a 0% accuracy rate.

You know the saying -
Put up or shut up...


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
 Quoting: Reality420 47610773


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Re: New trajectory for ISON. NASA updated yesterday...! (Update for Oct. 15th)
It will actually be further from earth when it flys by now
 Quoting: Rogue Lemming

Ugh! Don't use the stupid java applet to guess the close approach distance. It just uses 2-body methods to approximate the orbit. The exact figures are given in the close approach data table on the same page!
2013-Dec-26 22:42 Earth 0.429235146543569 AU (nominal distance)
Vs my own previously calculated orbit for ISON:
26.935933 0.42918 AU
[link to dropcanvas.com]
So in other words, even my old solution is within about 0.000055 AU or 8000 km of NASA's latest calculation, even though I specifically excluded all observations from September or later.
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Right!! Because NASA is known for its truth telling. Give me a break! Any idiot listening to the government about anything is the real tard. Sheep LOL bahhh bahhhh bahhh all the way to your death.
 Quoting: pft 1334077


i should agree with this!! NASA is basically a government extension (they keep the cosmic gems hidden from the public) and release the garbage (with retouched images) we already knew about the universe

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48397437


Either of you geniuses care to cite where NASA has lied about scientific data?

 Quoting: Reality420 47610773


NASA can't even grind a telescope mirror correctly.

(Ref: Hubble HST #1)

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46805758


That wasn't a lie, and it wasn't NASA.
It was Perkin Elmer.

Strike one for the lying kOOks.

Think hard tards. Surely there must be something you can come up with that is true. Don't tell me you've been bad-mouthing NASA for more than a decade and you can't come up with any examples?

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
(snicker)

Lying, dishonest kOOks.


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NASA used to be a respected organization.

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