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GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

 
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The country cant afford it
umm check book empty
at home we make choices
They just take it or make some more
I think the Ponzi is over and default is a go
and this new thing is at best TRASH ugg



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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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I must admit, I want doom too....
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The hardest part about the apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited.
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What makes us so prone to love doomy situations? Is it boredom or a sense that things cannot go on the way they are going and the knowledge that in order for things to correct, there must be something doomy occurring and we are actually looking forward to the reset after the doom.

Maybe it's birth and death itself that cause us to look for something painful and difficult to happen. I don't know. I'm curious about why so many of us see doom as inevitable and maybe even something to embrace. Strangeness, isn't it?
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I must admit, I want doom too....
 Quoting: samiam 44401999


The hardest part about the apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10401141


What makes us so prone to love doomy situations? Is it boredom or a sense that things cannot go on the way they are going and the knowledge that in order for things to correct, there must be something doomy occurring and we are actually looking forward to the reset after the doom.

Maybe it's birth and death itself that cause us to look for something painful and difficult to happen. I don't know. I'm curious about why so many of us see doom as inevitable and maybe even something to embrace. Strangeness, isn't it?
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I think we're just fed up with a corrupt and broken system that rapes us repeatedly in a multitudinous variety of ways, and that no longer makes any friggin sense. People want everything to collapse because....we're fed up....I think it's a natural desire to start over again from scratch. The system is too broken to fix - it's all based on lies which have become both obvious and unbelievable. There is no trust anymore. At least no between the People and their Institutions (and I don't mean just the government).

We want our freedom back.
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somebody please explain, the other day it was said that boner caved and offered to end shutdown, fund obamacare and everything... then Obama rejected it...

how is this different?
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I must admit, I want doom too....
 Quoting: samiam 44401999


The hardest part about the apocalypse will be pretending I'm not excited.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10401141


What makes us so prone to love doomy situations? Is it boredom or a sense that things cannot go on the way they are going and the knowledge that in order for things to correct, there must be something doomy occurring and we are actually looking forward to the reset after the doom.

Maybe it's birth and death itself that cause us to look for something painful and difficult to happen. I don't know. I'm curious about why so many of us see doom as inevitable and maybe even something to embrace. Strangeness, isn't it?
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It is because doom is better than what we have now.
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somebody please explain, the other day it was said that boner caved and offered to end shutdown, fund obamacare and everything... then Obama rejected it...

how is this different?
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I don't know if anyone really understands what's going on, including Boner and the Ballsacks. I get the impression that everything might be in a kind of slow motion free fall......
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It will pass, to much left to steal. You think they are going to leave one penny on the table?
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somebody please explain, the other day it was said that boner caved and offered to end shutdown, fund obamacare and everything... then Obama rejected it...

how is this different?
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What you heard never happened. There was no capitulation offered by house republicans that was rejected by the president. You received inaccurate information.
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The people that want doom, are the people that see the 'situation' for what it truly is and realize it needs to be fixed.

not coming to a debt deal just basically said We have to fix shit. its not working. raising the ceiling is basically just saying instead of fixing this problem, lets avoid it and let it grow larger.

so dont think we all want people to die, but SHIT HAS TO CHANGE! we can subsadize ebt cards for 40 million people anymore just so walmart can have low prices. We cant let the assholes who work government jobs get ridiculous pensions and crazy benefits anymore. We cant encourage young uneducated women to have unprotected sex to have children because 'its ok' just file for section 8, get an EBT card and some welfare while others WORK THEIR ASS OFF just to get by to avoid such programs.

SHIT NEEDS TO CHANGE!
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Yup, we need to get back to the roots of the country. De-centralize the shit out of E V E R Y T H I N G.

Think small.....
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
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Right, that's what the civil war was about.
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
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No, that is an ongoing battle of interpretation. To what extent does the Federal government supersede the states - to the point of crushing them and all the people that live in them? I don't think so. We need to get BACK to a loosely knit confederation of states with a DECENTRALIZED Federal government that has limited authority. It's not what's in the Constitution that's the problem, but how it's been interpreted by power grabbers over the now, 2 centuries.
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So, in trying to be RATIONAL about all this....

IF they vote to kick this down the road, and then comes February, and we go through all this again....

We will be CLOSER to the mid-term elections....that - I'M HOPING - everyone will then REMEMBER TO VOTE THE BUMS O-U-T!
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GUYS, is there a REALISTIC chance that the HOUSE WON'T PASS the deal today?

No.
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they are saying they have not even seen the bill yet and cannot say that they have a deal in the house
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They have to pass it before they can pass it silly.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
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That's not entirely accurate.

Federal authority only supersedes the states for the things that the Constitution explicitly grants. Everything else is reserved to the states.
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they are saying they have not even seen the bill yet and cannot say that they have a deal in the house
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They have to pass it before they can see it silly.
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Its gonna pass....just kicking the can down the road til the holidays are over....after all whats a couple more trillion between friend?
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Watched the morning briefing with Jay Carney (Guys who worked carn-e-vals were called "Carney's" weren't they?) and was amazed at what I heard and saw. He had no announcement so he went directly to questions. He said, "I already know what questions you will ask...", acting like it was funny, but his answer to the first question asked he read from a prepared SCRIPT in front of him! At least three other questions he was asked he responded to by reading from a SCRIPT sitting on the podium in front of him! The whole press conference appeared to be an ACT!
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Considering the quality of sadsacks "leading" us, could we really do much worse if we had NO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL? Maybe we should just be a loose federation of states, each one basically doing their own thing, and banding together for defense. And that's about it. I think we need to rethink what the "Union" has become.
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That is what it was supposed to be.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
 Quoting: Step Back 19192910



No, that is an ongoing battle of interpretation. To what extent does the Federal government supersede the states - to the point of crushing them and all the people that live in them? I don't think so. We need to get BACK to a loosely knit confederation of states with a DECENTRALIZED Federal government that has limited authority. It's not what's in the Constitution that's the problem, but how it's been interpreted by power grabbers over the now, 2 centuries.
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I haven't read most of the Constitution in a while and I should go back and do so, but if I remember (and understand correctly) I believe the role of the Federal government was to be the mediator between the states in areas - such as interstate commerce - where there could be discrepancies and conflict might be created. I think the intent was to create a Federal structure that would smooth the relations between states with varying laws and cultures and act as a mediator, NOT to create a completely centralized Federal government that dictates to the states on all matters and controls most of their functons. Over the past two hundred years, esp since the CW, the Feds have usurped and assumed greater and greater power esp through the development of agencies and the practice of income taxation to redistribute wealth among the states thus creating both state (and private citizen) dependencies. Like a nation of heroin addicts but the addiction is federal money instead. So the Feds get power and gravy from all that fake money flowing through the system.

This bullshit needs to stop and the Feds need to be de-centralized, all these agencies need to be eliminated, the income tax needs to GO AWAY, the Federal Reserve needs to be eliminated, and the power go back to real people IN THE STATES....which should also be able to leave the Union whenever a majority of the people in the state want and plan to! That is how a functioning government might work on this continent. Otherwise we just have the disaster that we have which doesn't work.....BECAUSE IT CAN'T.
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Nope...they will cave.
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Watched the morning briefing with Jay Carney (Guys who worked carn-e-vals were called "Carney's" weren't they?) and was amazed at what I heard and saw. He had no announcement so he went directly to questions. He said, "I already know what questions you will ask...", acting like it was funny, but his answer to the first question asked he read from a prepared SCRIPT in front of him! At least three other questions he was asked he responded to by reading from a SCRIPT sitting on the podium in front of him! The whole press conference appeared to be an ACT!
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You mean they don't let just any old "journalist" extra film the White House Press Conference scene? I AM SHOCKED AT THIS REVELATION.
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That's the senate ...the house will be the last stand. Word is the house Tea Party will vote no but enough Dems will vote yes to make it pass
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ERIC CANTOR!
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YEP!


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AMAZING VIDEO

IT SEEMS THE GOP - My God - wait - THEY ARE ALL EVIL.

OMFG! I've seen the light! They changed the rules just two weeks ago TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

I'm sharing that video twitter and FB!

Thanks!
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flipoff WOW that is some childish shIT
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I WANT MY FUCKING DOOM!
BE REAL WITH ME, what is the word on the house? Are they gonna go against this? Do they have the votes to block it today>>?>>>>

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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
 Quoting: Step Back 19192910


That's not entirely accurate.

Federal authority only supersedes the states for the things that the Constitution explicitly grants. Everything else is reserved to the states.
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True, but the General Welfare clause is a caveat. It states, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". General Welfare is obviously open to broad interpretation. In fact, the founders themselves couldn't agree on the authority granted to the federal government by this clause. Madison said it applies only to the powers outlined in article 1 section 8. Hamilton insisted it granted the federal government to use any resources available to it to promote the general welfare of the nation however it see fit.

It is predetermined that we shall squabble over the authority of the federal government in perpetuity, in my opinion, if the founders were unable to agree upon a universal understanding of the authority as it was being written.
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Watched the morning briefing with Jay Carney (Guys who worked carn-e-vals were called "Carney's" weren't they?) and was amazed at what I heard and saw. He had no announcement so he went directly to questions. He said, "I already know what questions you will ask...", acting like it was funny, but his answer to the first question asked he read from a prepared SCRIPT in front of him! At least three other questions he was asked he responded to by reading from a SCRIPT sitting on the podium in front of him! The whole press conference appeared to be an ACT!
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Saw that... had examples of suffering Americans needing healthcare only Obamacare will help.

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