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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
 Quoting: Step Back 19192910


That's not entirely accurate.

Federal authority only supersedes the states for the things that the Constitution explicitly grants. Everything else is reserved to the states.
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True, but the General Welfare clause is a caveat. It states, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". General Welfare is obviously open to broad interpretation. In fact, the founders themselves couldn't agree on the authority granted to the federal government by this clause. Madison said it applies only to the powers outlined in article 1 section 8. Hamilton insisted it granted the federal government to use any resources available to it to promote the general welfare of the nation however it see fit.

It is predetermined that we shall squabble over the authority of the federal government in perpetuity, in my opinion, if the founders were unable to agree upon a universal understanding of the authority as it was being written.
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That is an excellent point, but in practice it probably means that the states get the freedom that they can ensure through the peaceful resistance, or arms if necessary, of their people - as what else does freedom in its most basic form derive from? We can say it's from God, but I don't remember him shouldering a musket for any side.
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It will pass. Paul, Lee & Cruz already said they won't fight it.
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They are senators. Not representatives.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
I don't give a shit anymore.
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Club for Growth, the conservative advocacy group, is telling House Republicans not to vote for the Senate’s compromise. As the conservative group Heritage Action did yesterday, Club for Growth is marking this vote a “key vote” on Representatives’ legislative scorecards:

This announced plan, the details of which aren’t completely known, appears to have little to no reforms in it. There are no significant changes to ObamaCare, nothing on the other major entitlements that are racked with trillions in unfunded liabilities, and no meaningful spending cuts either. If this bill passes, Congress will kick the can down the road, yet again.

Our Congressional Scorecard for the 113th Congress provides a comprehensive rating of how well or how poorly each member of Congress supports pro-growth, free-market policies and will be distributed to our members and to the public.

Heritage’s opposition yesterday seemingly blew up an emerging House compromise. The implications of Club for Growth’s opposition aren’t yet clear
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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I think people miss the bigger picture.

If this govt continues in the manner it is, we will ALL suffer, greatly.

I never wish ill will on anyone, but honestly some one needs to take a stand.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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Those innocent people you claim to care about are going to be hurt far worse in the future if this debt scheme is allowed to continue.
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Awesome
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suffer now or suffer later.....I would just soon get it over with, so my kids won't have to deal with it when they get older!
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NOPE
they all caved
there will be no changes to O care either

I am done with the Republican party

Third Party will prevail

THEY SCREWED ALL OF AMERICAN CITIZENS

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If I'm not mistaken we no longer allow 3rd parties. Something about the primary and Ron Paul getting more votes than they were comfortable with, it was fixed so that now you may only vote for the 2 parties?
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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Well since you don't want them to suffer go take your time, your money, your resources to go help ALL OF THEM. Stop forcing me to pay taxes to help people i don't know, love nor care about.
Mow them zombies down!!!!
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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Well you haven't seen suffering yet. Let this thing pass through, and you will see permanent suffering.
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suffer now or suffer later.....I would just soon get it over with, so my kids won't have to deal with it when they get older!
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Exactly.

I can't believe the lack of backbone and fortitude displayed by Boehner and some of these other Repugnantcans.

They think this was a hard fought battle?

Please.

They didn't get shot at. They didn't spill their blood or watch their friends get blown up.

HEROES, who were kept away from THEIR memorials and rose up against Obama and the elitists in the District of Criminals understand a hard fight.

We need real leadership, not some two bit, bought and paid for shill as Speaker of the House.

If this does pass because Boehner allows a vote on it and doesn't require the Hastart rule implemented, then he needs to be tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail.

THAT is how things were done in this country once upon a time... when men were men and understood that fighting evil means sometimes you've got to kick ass and make your enemy scared of you.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8925069



Stop worrying about our souls and start worrying about the government. It needs to collapse. It is NOT FUNCTIONAL ANYMORE. IT DOESN'T WORK. WE HAVE NO MONEY. OBAMACARE IS A DISASTER. It all needs to END. And the beginning of the end is the recognition and admission that our system is broken and cannot be fixed. It is broken beyond repair and hope because it is founded on lies and false principles. We need to go back to basics and break down the Federal government. Someone needss to stand up and start this process.

At some point the carousel needs to stop so we can get off and go back to work. Right now it's spinning so fast we're going to go flying over into space.
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That's the senate ...the house will be the last stand. Word is the house Tea Party will vote no but enough Dems will vote yes to make it pass
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ERIC CANTOR!
ERIC CANTOR!
ERIC CANTOR!

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YEP!


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AMAZING VIDEO

IT SEEMS THE GOP - My God - wait - THEY ARE ALL EVIL.

OMFG! I've seen the light! They changed the rules just two weeks ago TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

I'm sharing that video twitter and FB!

Thanks!
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SEE! I told you guys they were all a bunch of evil fuckers...but no...LONG LIVE the repubes... THEY ARE ALL EVIL
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suffer now or suffer later.....I would just soon get it over with, so my kids won't have to deal with it when they get older!
 Quoting: irked77


Exactly.

I can't believe the lack of backbone and fortitude displayed by Boehner and some of these other Repugnantcans.

They think this was a hard fought battle?

Please.

They didn't get shot at. They didn't spill their blood or watch their friends get blown up.

HEROES, who were kept away from THEIR memorials and rose up against Obama and the elitists in the District of Criminals understand a hard fight.

We need real leadership, not some two bit, bought and paid for shill as Speaker of the House.

If this does pass because Boehner allows a vote on it and doesn't require the Hastart rule implemented, then he needs to be tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail.

THAT is how things were done in this country once upon a time... when men were men and understood that fighting evil means sometimes you've got to kick ass and make your enemy scared of you.
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Aw c'mon....it was tough. They made Boner cry.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8925069


I don't think you understand how this works.

Suffer now or suffer later.

INNOCENT PEOPLE SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF THE GOVERNMENT EVERY SINGLE DAY. But that's OK because our government is doing it to "protect us" from terrorists, right? Those kids we burn to death in Pakistan might have grown up to blow us up, you know!
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BREAKING NEWS:

"We fought a good fight, we just didn't win."

Boehner encourages GOP to vote for Senate plan.

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afro
HAHAHAHAHA...all that drama for nothing.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.

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It'll pass, but only with a coalition of libtards and RINOs


The libertarians and conservatives will stick together,
but are outnumbered if Boner breaks the Hastart rule
and brings the bill up without the majority of the GOP

We are outnumbered ... for now.

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BREAKING NEWS:

"We fought a good fight, we just didn't win."

Boehner encourages GOP to vote for Senate plan.

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afro
HAHAHAHAHA...all that drama for nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36044026



Thank God Boner wasn't there at Valley Forge or we'd all be singing God Save the Queen.
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Under the Articles of Confederation maybe, not under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution explicitly states that federal authority supersedes that of the states.
 Quoting: Step Back 19192910


That's not entirely accurate.

Federal authority only supersedes the states for the things that the Constitution explicitly grants. Everything else is reserved to the states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


True, but the General Welfare clause is a caveat. It states, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". General Welfare is obviously open to broad interpretation. In fact, the founders themselves couldn't agree on the authority granted to the federal government by this clause. Madison said it applies only to the powers outlined in article 1 section 8. Hamilton insisted it granted the federal government to use any resources available to it to promote the general welfare of the nation however it see fit.

It is predetermined that we shall squabble over the authority of the federal government in perpetuity, in my opinion, if the founders were unable to agree upon a universal understanding of the authority as it was being written.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19192910



That is an excellent point, but in practice it probably means that the states get the freedom that they can ensure through the peaceful resistance, or arms if necessary, of their people - as what else does freedom in its most basic form derive from? We can say it's from God, but I don't remember him shouldering a musket for any side.
 Quoting: mehitable lives


Who's "God" are you referring to? The one the founder's of this nation worshipped and served, or the GOD who created everything to begin with? This government was setup to make MAN the "highest authority", NOT the Creator. Look up the word "democracy" in a good-ole printed-on-paper dictionary. In a true "democracy" the will of carnal MAN is made the "highest authority" in determining the "way forward". (We hear and read these two words everyday in the media coming from our government and business leadership!) The Laws of GOD in America are subject to the "interpretations" and "experiences" of MAN, rather than MAN following the Laws of GOD, or the doctrine of Son of GOD, or the input of the Holy Spirit. Today, in this modern computer controlled society, laws, legislation, policies, procedures, and human relationships are molded by MAN, and his Artificial Intelligence acting in a "godlike" role, to serve the desires and passions, the "will" of carnal MAN, NOT the CREATOR OF ALL.
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Man when is my ever loving doom going to come!

This has been a constant game of tug of war with doom on doom off doom on doom off!

Spare us doomtard the cock tease and deliver us our imminent demise!
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afro
HAHAHAHAHA...all that drama for nothing.

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The "drama" has been from fucking libtards who are like crack whores
when they've been cut off from government for only 16 days!

You cockbags had 83% of the government up and running and you've
been nothing's but whiny ass babies!

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afro
HAHAHAHAHA...all that drama for nothing.

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The "drama" has been from fucking libtards who are like crack whores
when they've been cut off from government for only 16 days!

You cockbags had 83% of the government up and running and you've
been nothing's but whiny ass babies!

.
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afro
HAHAHAHAHA...all that drama for nothing.

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The "drama" has been from fucking libtards who are like crack whores
when they've been cut off from government for only 16 days!

You cockbags had 83% of the government up and running and you've
been nothing's but whiny ass babies!

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Pathetic!


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That's not entirely accurate.

Federal authority only supersedes the states for the things that the Constitution explicitly grants. Everything else is reserved to the states.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


True, but the General Welfare clause is a caveat. It states, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". General Welfare is obviously open to broad interpretation. In fact, the founders themselves couldn't agree on the authority granted to the federal government by this clause. Madison said it applies only to the powers outlined in article 1 section 8. Hamilton insisted it granted the federal government to use any resources available to it to promote the general welfare of the nation however it see fit.

It is predetermined that we shall squabble over the authority of the federal government in perpetuity, in my opinion, if the founders were unable to agree upon a universal understanding of the authority as it was being written.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19192910



That is an excellent point, but in practice it probably means that the states get the freedom that they can ensure through the peaceful resistance, or arms if necessary, of their people - as what else does freedom in its most basic form derive from? We can say it's from God, but I don't remember him shouldering a musket for any side.
 Quoting: mehitable lives


Who's "God" are you referring to? The one the founder's of this nation worshipped and served, or the GOD who created everything to begin with? This government was setup to make MAN the "highest authority", NOT the Creator. Look up the word "democracy" in a good-ole printed-on-paper dictionary. In a true "democracy" the will of carnal MAN is made the "highest authority" in determining the "way forward". (We hear and read these two words everyday in the media coming from our government and business leadership!) The Laws of GOD in America are subject to the "interpretations" and "experiences" of MAN, rather than MAN following the Laws of GOD, or the doctrine of Son of GOD, or the input of the Holy Spirit. Today, in this modern computer controlled society, laws, legislation, policies, procedures, and human relationships are molded by MAN, and his Artificial Intelligence acting in a "godlike" role, to serve the desires and passions, the "will" of carnal MAN, NOT the CREATOR OF ALL.
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It...was...a...joke...son. Go smoke something before your head explodes.
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any smart person would know it wont pass the house.
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I am smart, and I am praying it will.hf

Seriously, I want the government to start back up. I don't want to see innocent people suffer under any circumstances.

I love this forum, but I worry about the souls of those here.hf
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Those innocent people you claim to care about are going to be hurt far worse in the future if this debt scheme is allowed to continue.
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"We fought a good fight, we just didn't win."

there's no business like show business like no business that I know.....

(except for politics, banking and creative accounting, insurance practices, gmo farming, military industrial complex, american education system, the media....).

you get more reality from bugs bunny.

they really think/know the people are dumb

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