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Rev. Star Gazer

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Really - I want to know - are the other Knight's Templars fakes?
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The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation.

The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with.
 Quoting: Highlander_


Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite.

After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite.

The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity.



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The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation.

The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with.


Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite.

After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite.

The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 106140


continued from previous post:

is unique in freemasonry, because in no other appendent masonic body does one profess belief in a particular religion.

Originally held over a Period of months, the York rite degrees can be conferred in a weekend.
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the 33rd degree of one masonic rite is the knights templar
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That is incorrect. The 33rd degree is an honorary degree confered for excempilary and distinquished service in freemasonry. Most of the 33rd degree masons I know are not Knights Templar.
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67789 - are you saying that 'port wine stain' birthmarks are the mark of cain?
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you can't fake this or be awarded or given 'paperwork' by organizations

some thirty percent of children are born with a strawberry mark (that fades)
on their nose, forehead, eyelids etc

only ten percent of infants have one on the back of their neck, and these are less likely to fade over time and can be hidden by hair cover

[link to www.peak.org]

now either you have this in your dna or you do not

sorry to say I have nobody in my immediate family that has this trait

but I have distant paternal kinfolk that do via their maternal bloodline, no relation to me.

folklore suggests this is a mark that was born by those of benjamite origins.

the poetical passage in the blessing of Moses:

"Of Benjamin he said, The beloved of Yahweh shall dwell in safety by him; he covereth him all the day long, and he dwelleth between his shoulders" (Deuteronomy 33:12).

The "shoulders" refer here to the mountain saddles and proclivities of the territory of Benjamin between which Jerusalem, the beloved of Yahweh, which belonged to Judah, lay nestling close upon the confines of the neighboring tribe, or even built in part on ground belonging to Benjamin.

( it also has context as the mark of cain, and the red 'cross' birthmark said to be common amongst those of merovingian descent, later templars )
 Quoting: the mark of cain 67789


Interesting! Definitely have that in my family. cow
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It's all just another branch of witchcraft.
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Highlander is a liar.

Knights Templar are pure and absolute
York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible
Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show
and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons
and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian
handlers. Read their own literature. You must
be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite.

ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning
STUMP BUDDIES.
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found pictures here
[link to photos.yahoo.com]

btw you can be invited or you can request to become a member and then the screening process begins
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Highlander is a liar.

Knights Templar are pure and absolute
York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible
Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show
and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons
and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian
handlers. Read their own literature. You must
be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite.

ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning
STUMP BUDDIES.
 Quoting: THEO TWAWKI



Nope allso in the Scottish rite, and btw it is even diferent per country.
And even alot of degrees aren't even worked in.
You have Knights Templar degrees in both.
BUt it is pure metaphoric and has nothing to do with the real Knights Templar.
Altough the later Masons got their knowledge of esoteric practices of the East from the Templars and they went to blend in with the Masons of Scotland after their betrayel. They went to fight the English King alongside the King of Scotland.
And later on they merged with the Mason Guilds (not Freemason) as I allready said.
And from their knowledge all Cathedrals in Europe were build, and a lot of secret sociaties (cause saying the earth is round would have got you killed ;-) were set up by diferent people all over the continent.
And the Rothschild put them all back together late 1700's
That's wen the new rules for freemasonry
were set up.
And the US become a independant nation.
........................

-GOOD JOB
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The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation.

The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with.


Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite.

After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite.

The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity.



This
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 106140

The 'York Rite' of Freemasonry

The 'York Rite' is colloquially referred to by Masons sometimes as the 'American Rite'. The upper degrees are only open to "Christians" where ceremonies mocking Christian ones are perfromed including the consecration of the host, and the use of bread and wine.

The Royal Arch is where the paleonoic masonic 'true ineffable name of god' - Jahbulon, is conveyed.

In the Knights Templar Degree the human skull is placed on an open masonic "bible" upon an alter surrounded by lit candles. Several swords are pointed at the initiates throat and additional severe blood oaths are made to be uttered. The initiate then completes this "Christian" ceremony by drinking wine out of the skull in a "Holy Communion".

The seperation of 'Appendent' Rites between Christian focused(targeted) and others is widespread in Masonry.

Of equal note is the very interesting fact of this schematic of the 'York Rite' that shows that the Royal Arch is not at the pinnacle of this rite but rather somewhat further down the ladder. Above it we can see is the Masons 'Order of Malta' Degree - needless to say of absolutely no relation to the well known, and public, Catholic lay order of the same name.
[link to freemasonrywatch.org]

Go here and you will find the info you are seeking
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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Highlander is a liar.

Knights Templar are pure and absolute
York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible
Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show
and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons
and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian
handlers. Read their own literature. You must
be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite.

ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning
STUMP BUDDIES.



Nope allso in the Scottish rite, and btw it is even diferent per country.
And even alot of degrees aren't even worked in.
You have Knights Templar degrees in both.
BUt it is pure metaphoric and has nothing to do with the real Knights Templar.
Altough the later Masons got their knowledge of esoteric practices of the East from the Templars and they went to blend in with the Masons of Scotland after their betrayel. They went to fight the English King alongside the King of Scotland.
And later on they merged with the Mason Guilds (not Freemason) as I allready said.
And from their knowledge all Cathedrals in Europe were build, and a lot of secret sociaties (cause saying the earth is round would have got you killed ;-) were set up by diferent people all over the continent.
And the Rothschild put them all back together late 1700's
That's wen the new rules for freemasonry
were set up.
And the US become a independant nation.
 Quoting: GOOD JOB

See my post below and you will find the truth
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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Really - I want to know - are the other Knight's Templar's fakes?
 Quoting: Rev. Star Gazer


RSG- There are many false organization proclaiming to be poor knights of Jerusalem such as the Gnostic Knights Templar's and even claiming affiliation to the Scottish Rites KT and of which the MTS categorically denies any affiliation, you have to search to find the truth but here is some help;

1.The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem

[link to www.osmth.org]

2. MTS Militi Templi Scotia, a Scottish based Templar order, which is non-Masonic in nature.
[link to www.skt.org.uk]

3. Or even the Masons at the correct level of membership
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
GOOD JOB

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See my post below and you will find the truth
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Depends on wich truth.
And there are many diferences between lodges, I am a member of "Groot Nederland"
that's the oldest in Holland.
And I would say climb the ladder and then the "truth" will be revealed, although 99% of al Masons in the world do not have a clue of what has happend and what is going on, who is in control and so on.
........................

-GOOD JOB
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It's all just another branch of witchcraft.
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People who say that know nothing of the honor and duties imposed upon Knight Templar's and they do so out of a sense of helping others less fortunate. The is no witchcraft in the ranks of the Knights Templar it was only made up charges by the King of France and his lackey the Pope. Go to this site and read for yourself.

[link to www.templarhistory.com]
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
GOOD JOB

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If you where invited to join the Knights Templar organization, that has no affiliation with the Masons would you do so?

[link to www.osmth.org]
 Quoting: Highlander_



I would say just join them.
It will help you along your path that you are walking on.
BUt don't take everything for granted.
........................

-GOOD JOB
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Highlander is a liar.

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Hey, you are bearing false witness against my Highlander! A liar is someone who knows something to be untrue and puts it forth to be a truth. I can assure you that my Highlander would do no such thing intentionally. He may sometimes be overly confident, strong willed and even bullheaded but those things can be an asset when fighting your way through those that try to hide the truth through deception and lies. If he discovers that he has been mislead by any of those lies and has put forth misleading info based on that, he will apologize and correct it.
I can assure you that he is doing his best in seeking and uncovering the truth. Obviously some truths have been buried for a long time and are buried very deep.
If all truths were sitting out in the open, don't you think we'd all have seen them plain as day years ago?
Uncovering the mysteries of life is a process that not only takes diligence but also a big swig of patience and understanding.

Here, have a swig on me! cheers
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GOD HIMSELF MARKS HIS OWN IN THE WOMB, WRITTEN INTO THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE

YOU CANNOT 'UNMARK' THEM LADS

NOR CAN YOU BLEMISH STAINLESS STEEL

IT RUBS RIGHT OFF

AND FURTHERMORE, YOU CANNOT PRETEND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BLOODLINE EITHER

YORK RITE IS GAD/ST.CLAIR/SINCLAIR WHO FLED TO THE OUTER REACHES OF THE HIGHLANDS DURING PERSECUTION

SWISS IS REUBEN/MEROVINGIAN WHO FLED TO THE ALPS DURING PERSECUTION

ALL ARE THE ROOT OF JESSE

AND UNTIL WE 'UNITE THE CLANS' AND FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SQUABBLE OVER WHO FORFEITED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT

AND AS WE KNOW AS FORETOLD LONG AGO, IT WAS REUBEN

SO IN DEFERRING TO THE LEADERSHIP OF SCOTA/GAD INSTEAD OF GAUL/REUBEN, ONE WOULD HOPE THAT THE TRIBE OF GAD WOULD
ACT LIKE THE LEADERS THAT GOD WANTS

AND START LEADING AND STOP PERSECUTING

OTHERWISE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN POPES
YOURSELVES
 Quoting: ON THE ANGELUS 67789


I'm sorry, but you lost me on this post, please explain...But so you know we are of the House of Dan
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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Look into the Templars and all the fun they got into a slew of financial schemes including banking that is a really interesting story, you havent really looked unless you follow the yellow brick road

Elitist-German-Jews....hmm what are the last names of the royalty of england..hmmm
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Look into the Templar's and all the fun they got into a slew of financial schemes including banking that is a really interesting story, you haven't really looked unless you follow the yellow brick road

Elitist-German-Jews....hmm what are the last names of the royalty of england..hmmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41914


The connection with the Templar's and banking has always been there, after all they are the ones that basically inventing the banking system we all know and love today...:)
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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[link to freemasonrywatch.org]

Go here and you will find the info you are seeking
 Quoting: Highlander_



Your are reiterating half-truths from a website with an obvious agenda.

I am speaking from my experience as a Masonic Knights Templar and as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason.

If you want to know the 'truth' about York Rite Freemasonry, why not join and see for yourself?
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Masonic Leaven! Bleached and Enriched White Flour With a Creamy Shit Frosting for added flavour.

Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
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GOD HIMSELF MARKS HIS OWN IN THE WOMB, WRITTEN INTO THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE

YOU CANNOT 'UNMARK' THEM LADS

NOR CAN YOU BLEMISH STAINLESS STEEL

IT RUBS RIGHT OFF

AND FURTHERMORE, YOU CANNOT PRETEND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BLOODLINE EITHER...>
 Quoting: ON THE ANGELUS 67789


hi ANGELUS, maybe you could help me out in understanding this DNA/bloodline issue. As a follower of Jesus, I have come to the understanding that God can call out any and all who are 'his', no matter what tribe they may have descended from. Jesus teaches that any spirit who wishes to find their way back to God may be 'nurtured' through his 'way' and be reformed.

To me, the DNA/bloodline is a 'nature' thing, implying a predetermined cast in stone thing and that runs counter to the Jesus 'nurture' way.

This nature vs nurture point has been an interesting and fun joust aaa in a number of aspects of our life together.

I see that Jesus' way is sufficient and I also understand God is greater than he so there might be something I'm missing in the DNA/bloodline aspect. I do see how that has been an important thing for God in the past but I'm not seeing how it fits into the future.

I look forward to any insight you can give in this regard! herethere

TY hf
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Really - I want to know - are the other Knight's Templars fakes?
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My opinion is that they are all "fakes". There was a gap of several hundred years between Jacque DeMolay and modern Templarism - with no evidence of being linked to the Templars of old.

Modern Templarism, including the Masonic Knights Templar, are shadows of the old order of the temple. We are talking about a modern philosophy based on historical Templar values verses a true medival era politcal, religious, financial and military order.

It is possible that some of the modern Templars are reincarnated Templars of old, however.
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[link to freemasonrywatch.org]

Go here and you will find the info you are seeking



Your are reiterating half-truths from a website with an obvious agenda.

I am speaking from my experience as a Masonic Knights Templar and as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason.

If you want to know the 'truth' about York Rite Freemasonry, why not join and see for yourself?
 Quoting: The Dame Tamer 105835


Dame Tamer, I am having a difficult time figuring out how a women could claim to be a Knight Templar of the Masons when women are not permitted in the Mason society, women can belong to the Order of the Eastern Star.

[link to www.masonicinfo.com]
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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OK, so how does one become a templar? and how would one serve the order?
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OK, so how does one become a templar? and how would one serve the order?
 Quoting: A Scotish Gent 112311


Go to one of these sites and download the membership information and it will explain everything to you...

The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem

[link to www.osmth.org]

2. MTS Militi Templi Scotia, a Scottish based Templar order, which is non-Masonic in nature.

[link to www.skt.org.uk]
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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leave the masons alone
most are just old guys who want a life outside tv and bullshit.

we give not take

no masons could learn a lot ....
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leave the masons alone
most are just old guys who want a life outside tv and bullshit.

we give not take

no masons could learn a lot ....
 Quoting: fingleuk 112353


I am not saying anything bad about that excellent organization...Hail to Hiram Abif...
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why don't you masonsabitches go start another war, you'll feel better

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