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| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
 United States
7/31/2007 4:12 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Highlander,
Saw the same thing and found it to be fascinating! Wonder why it took so long for someone to do a reverse image as DaVinci is well known for backward/mirror writing.
Many questions were being asked about how do we know that the two figures at the end of the table are Templar Knights, do you have the answer?
My first impression of the woman 'holding the baby' was that she cradled the baby in her arms with the head of the baby toward her shoulder, the way anyone would hold a baby,
and the object being held in her left hand appeared to me to be a cup looking object, the Grail?
Seems we learn more about the Last Supper by DaVince every day.
Michael
[ link to anewknighthood.blogspot.com]
[ link to knightsofstmichael.blogspot.com]
And assumption taking into account the times...
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
7/31/2007 4:16 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Let he who walks in Paradise unarmed.
Make damn sure that is where
he is at. <<<< The Fucking Guru
(:X Quoting: RealMeat 133887
Well (:X your good a dodging the question, do you or do you not believe in the truth of the shroud?
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Zdk
User ID: 120304
United States
8/1/2007 12:03 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Let he who walks in Paradise unarmed.
Make damn sure that is where
he is at. <<<< The Fucking Guru
(:X
Well (:X your good a dodging the question, do you or do you not believe in the truth of the shroud? Quoting: Highlander_
Hi HiLander,
Looks like the bro
been at it again.
He believes in the
truth of the shroud.
By the way
what is the
truth of the shroud?
hee hee
Hey that Knight Templar
with the Shroud
He was Married.
Whats up with that?
That is still your
one question from
me to you.
Why were all these Knights
Married.
{and there are
a bunch of them}
If it was against
Church Orders?
Why? Why? Why?
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 120304
United States
8/1/2007 12:05 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
And don't say
to make babies.
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 120304
United States
8/1/2007 12:19 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
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| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/1/2007 1:14 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
“Z”, this is the misconception of many, that a Knight’s Templar could not be married. Prior to 1128 AD and the full support of the Church many of the Templars were married, Hugh de Payens, St. Omer and many others all were married but left their families when ordered to do so, but once they “retired” they returned to their wives and mostly grown children.
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Philo-sophia
User ID: 241625
United States
8/2/2007 12:03 AM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Let he who walks in Paradise unarmed.
Make damn sure that is where
he is at. <<<< The Fucking Guru
(:X
Well (:X your good a dodging the question, do you or do you not believe in the truth of the shroud?
Hi HiLander,
Looks like the bro
been at it again.
He believes in the
truth of the shroud.
By the way
what is the
truth of the shroud?
hee hee
Hey that Knight Templar
with the Shroud
He was Married.
Whats up with that?
That is still your
one question from
me to you.
Why were all these Knights
Married.
{and there are
a bunch of them}
If it was against
Church Orders?
Why? Why? Why?
(:X Quoting: Zdk 120304
I'm with Highlander on this - I don't see what you're getting at because some were married. |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 1:18 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
On Married Brothers
69. If married men ask to be admitted to the fraternity, benefice and devotions of the house, we permit you to receive them on the following conditions: that after their death they leave you a part of their estate and all that they have obtained henceforth. Meanwhile, they should lead honest lives and endeavour to act well towards the brothers. But they should not wear white habits or cloaks; moreover, if the lord should die before his lady, the brothers should take part of his estate and let the lady have the rest to support her during her lifetime; for it does not seem right to us that such confréres should live in a house with brothers who have promised chastity to God.
On Sisters
70. The company of women is a dangerous thing, for by it the old devil has led many from the straight path to Paradise. Henceforth, let not ladies be admitted as sisters into the house of the Temple; that is why, very dear brothers, henceforth it is not fitting to follow this custom, that the flower of chastity is always maintained among you.
Let Them Not Have Familiarity with Women
71. We believe it to be a dangerous thing for any religious to look too much upon the face of woman. For this reason none of you may presume to kiss a woman, be it widow, young girl, mother, sister, aunt or any other; and henceforth the Knighthood of Jesus Christ should avoid at all costs the embraces of women, by which men have perished many times, so that they may remain eternally before the face of God with a pure conscience and sure life.
Not Being Godfathers
72. We forbid all brothers henceforth to dare to raise children over the font and none should be ashamed to refuse to be godfathers or godmothers; this shame brings more glory than sin.
[link to www.ordotempli.org]
Guess I will
answer my own
test.
This is a bunch
of made up church
rules to romanticize
The Ones who took Jerusalem.
Happen to be
The Knights Templar.
Well soon to be.
Up to their knees in
Blood.
They became Saints.
Of course the Holy Land
was going to be owned by
The Corporation.
Can't fight that.
Some say
The Knights Templar
sold Jerusalem to the
Corporation.
{Needed the money
for the push to Petra}
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 1:31 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
In the Middle Ages, the Popes were, ultimately, businessmen- the administration of Church property and the distant geographies of Europe’s Catholics meant that a great deal of power and money changed hands quickly. It is ironic that the French Pope Clement V moved the entire seat of the Catholic Church to the French city of Avignon in 1307 as a direct result of the French king Philip’s oppression of the Knights Templars, who were suspected of homosexual activity. Ostensibly, the so-called “Babylonian Captivity” of the Papal office in Avignon for 70 years was aimed at cleansing the Church of its avarice- witness the suppression of the Templars- but it achieved little along these lines.
It was during these dark times in the Church’s history that corruption replaced the proper hierarchy and salvation became a blessing up for sale. In order to raise money for the new leaders of the Church, it became possible to pay the church in order to secure a lucrative position in the bureaucracy (simony), or to make sure that a favorite nephew got a job for life (nepotism- from the Greek nepos for nephew). But the most ingenious marketing campaign was directed at the Church’s sinners- of which there were many. A spurious argument was advanced that over the past 1,000 years the good deeds of the numerous saints were an asset of the Church that could be sold in order to achieve salvation and entrance into heaven. They were called “indulgences”, and when a guilty relative of a recently-deceased loved one made a contribution to the Church, the seller of the indulgences would draw on this moral bank account of the saints and withdraw an all coveted “get out of purgatory free” card for the sinner.
In 1377, the Papacy finally returned to Rome at the trusty hands of Pope Gregory, who immediately upon taking up residence there died. Another Pope was elected, but he was Italian, and this served to irk the French king so much that they decided to keep their own Pope in Avignon- resulting in two competing Popes. Naturally this meant double the corruption, which weakened the Church and shook the faith of the believers considerably. It was only in 1409 that the Church elders called a council to resolve the dreadful situation, and they finally agreed on one single Pope- who was elected that same year.
But neither the Pope in Avignon nor the Pope in Rome wanted to give up their jobs, so they boycotted the new Pope, resulting in 3 Popes.
[link to templars.wordpress.com]
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 1:33 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Point is
Never did that stuff.
Still don't.
(:X |
| 19.47™
User ID: 6933
 United Kingdom
8/2/2007 1:37 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
BE WARNED...
The bible has plenty to say about groups like the Knights Templar's and the Masons and it ain't pretty...
[link to www.chick.com] |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/2/2007 1:46 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Guess I will
answer my own
test.
This is a bunch
of made up church
rules to romanticize
The Ones who took Jerusalem.
Happen to be
The Knights Templar.
Well soon to be.
Up to their knees in
Blood.
They became Saints.
Of course the Holy Land
was going to be owned by
The Corporation.
Can't fight that.
Some say
The Knights Templar
sold Jerusalem to the
Corporation.
{Needed the money
for the push to Petra}
(:X Quoting: Zdk 134875
Well you certainly did there "Z". These "rules" were instituted AFTER the involvement of the RCC. St. Bernard included these restrictions because I believe he was not very good with women, the same as Pope who made the rule to exclude Priests from marrying or being married, FER of Women. By the way, did you know that there were actual women Templar's in the 14th century?
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/2/2007 1:55 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
BE WARNED...
The bible has plenty to say about groups like the Knights Templar's and the Masons and it ain't pretty...
[ link to www.chick.com]
 Where do you read anything about the Templars in the Bible. There is a certain group mentioned in Exodus but I do not think you would realize just who they are.
AND the MASONS are NOT the TEMPLARS
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 2:04 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
We know that the crusaders of the Fourth Crusade looted the treasures of Constantinople and carried away many riches and relics. The Edessa Cloth disappeared with other priceless treasures. Evidence suggests that the Edessa Cloth was taken to Athens. About a year after Constantinople was plundered, Theodore Ducas Anglelos wrote in a letter to Pope Innocent III:
The Venetians partitioned the treasure of gold, silver and ivory, while the French did the same with the relics of saints and the most sacred of all, the linen in which our Lord Jesus Christ was wrapped after His death and before the Resurrection. We know that the sacred objects are preserved by their predators in Venice and France and in other places, the sacred linen in Athens.
In 1207, Nicholas d'Orrante, Abbott of Casole and the Papal Legate in Athens, wrote about relics taken from Constantinople by French knights. Referring specifically to burial cloths, he mentions seeing them "with our own eyes" in Athens.
There is some indication that the Shroud may have passed into the hands of an order of warrior monks known as the Knights Templar. This order was founded in the early 12th century among Crusaders in the Holy Land.
Ian Wilson and John C. Iannone relate stories that link the Edessa Cloth to the Marquis Boniface de Montferrat who led the attack on the Bucholean Palace and Pharos Chapel in Constantinople where the cloth was kept; how when it appeared in Athens it was in the trust of Otto de la Roche, an associate of Boniface; and how it may have passed into the hands to the Knights Templar from there. They go on to relate how the knights were later accused of secret idol worship of a "bearded head." We know, also, that the Templars had amassed a significant cache of relics from the Crusades.
[link to www.shroudstory.com]
While no record of the cloth specifically identified as the Shroud of Turin exists prior to this period, there are various accounts of a mysterious burial shroud bearing the likeness of Christ dating back as far as the 6th century. In 554 A.D., in Edessa, a burial cloth was found hidden in a wall above the city gates. This cloth, said to bear the full-body image of Jesus Christ, was believed by many to be divinely created.
[link to faithandreasononline.blogspot.com]
The Edessa Cloth
and the Shroud
are one and the same.
(:X |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/2/2007 2:17 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
We know that the crusaders of the Fourth Crusade looted the treasures of Constantinople and carried away many riches and relics. The Edessa Cloth disappeared with other priceless treasures. Evidence suggests that the Edessa Cloth was taken to Athens. About a year after Constantinople was plundered, Theodore Ducas Anglelos wrote in a letter to Pope Innocent III:
The Venetians partitioned the treasure of gold, silver and ivory, while the French did the same with the relics of saints and the most sacred of all, the linen in which our Lord Jesus Christ was wrapped after His death and before the Resurrection. We know that the sacred objects are preserved by their predators in Venice and France and in other places, the sacred linen in Athens.
In 1207, Nicholas d'Orrante, Abbott of Casole and the Papal Legate in Athens, wrote about relics taken from Constantinople by French knights. Referring specifically to burial cloths, he mentions seeing them "with our own eyes" in Athens.
There is some indication that the Shroud may have passed into the hands of an order of warrior monks known as the Knights Templar. This order was founded in the early 12th century among Crusaders in the Holy Land.
Ian Wilson and John C. Iannone relate stories that link the Edessa Cloth to the Marquis Boniface de Montferrat who led the attack on the Bucholean Palace and Pharos Chapel in Constantinople where the cloth was kept; how when it appeared in Athens it was in the trust of Otto de la Roche, an associate of Boniface; and how it may have passed into the hands to the Knights Templar from there. They go on to relate how the knights were later accused of secret idol worship of a "bearded head." We know, also, that the Templars had amassed a significant cache of relics from the Crusades.
[ link to www.shroudstory.com]
While no record of the cloth specifically identified as the Shroud of Turin exists prior to this period, there are various accounts of a mysterious burial shroud bearing the likeness of Christ dating back as far as the 6th century. In 554 A.D., in Edessa, a burial cloth was found hidden in a wall above the city gates. This cloth, said to bear the full-body image of Jesus Christ, was believed by many to be divinely created.
[ link to faithandreasononline.blogspot.com]
The Edessa Cloth
and the Shroud
are one and the same.
(:X
The Templar connection once again and more support for the authenticity of the shroud...
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/2/2007 3:25 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Peacemakers:
Blessed be the Peacemakers, what does this mean? We must remember that Jesus was a Nazarene (A warrior sect of the Essenes) and being so he was also a Zealot, otherwise know as a warrior of God. If you have not a sword sell your cloak and buy one; stand up and be counted for your Lord, it does not mean to kill everyone and let God sort them out. Is this answer cryptic enough?
I am getting more invitations to become part of a “war” against seemingly everyone; the Muslims, Catholics, neo-Nazi’s, everyone, just because I am a Templar?
Why is it that people cannot accept this one little fact, Templar Knight’s are NOT bringers of war, they are the bringers of PEACE…
In the Crusades, war was brought to us and the Templar’s were reformed to bring Peace. Now 700 years later war is brought to us once again and once again the Templar’s must respond. But not by killing everyone and letting God sort them out but by our own methods, do not invite us to kill, invite us to bring Peace, for we are the Peacemakers for Christianity…
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 5:43 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
looted the treasures of Constantinople and carried away many riches and relics. The Edessa Cloth disappeared with other priceless treasures. Evidence suggests that the Edessa Cloth was taken to Athens. About a year after Constantinople was plundered, Theodore Ducas Anglelos wrote in a letter to Pope Innocent III:
The Venetians partitioned the treasure of gold, silver and ivory, while the French did the same with the relics of saints and the most sacred of all, the linen in which our Lord Jesus Christ was wrapped
Want clear up
one thing.
Remember the relics
"looted" were first
"stolen' from
The Sons of Zadok,
long ago.
They just took back
what was "rightfully"
theirs.
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 134875
United States
8/2/2007 5:45 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Turin is a WhoreHouse
in Italy.
Where they keep
the Edessa Cloth.
The correct name.
(:X |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/3/2007 5:46 AM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Turin is a WhoreHouse
in Italy.
Where they keep
the Edessa Cloth.
The correct name.
(:X Quoting: Zdk 134875
 Now that's funny
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/3/2007 10:24 AM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
"Z", do you think that the is a connection between Mithraism and the Knight's Templar as to how the hierarchy of command is structured?
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| 19.47™
User ID: 6933
United Kingdom
8/3/2007 10:28 AM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Just remember folks that after this life you will be judged if you die in your sins. The Knights Templar is an evil satanic group...
[link to www.chick.com] |
| Zdk
User ID: 128391
United States
8/3/2007 1:15 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Dear 19.47,
Seem to be getting
plenty of judgement
right here.
Damnation too.
You sure your in
charge of that?
So exactly which
Templars and Masons
are you talking about?
There are shitloads of
them you know.
Some people are
DEMON CONTROLLERS !!!
[link to www.chick.com]
hee hee
just having fun
don't get bent.
Besides need some
flak.
get bored.
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 128391
United States
8/3/2007 1:29 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
"Z", do you think that the is a connection between Mithraism and the Knight's Templar as to how the hierarchy of command is structured? Quoting: Highlander_
The term "Mithraism" is modern. In antiquity, texts refer to "the mysteries of Mithras", and to its adherents, as "the mysteries of the Persians."[1] This latter epithet is significant, not for whether the Mithraists considered the object of their devotion a Persian divinity, but for the fact that the devotees were convinced that their religion was founded by Zoroaster.[1]
The term 'mysteries' does not imply that the religion was mystical or mysterious, but rather, that members had been formally initiated into the order.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Hi HiLander,
Closer to the
Mystery Schools of
the Egyptians.
Solomon's Temple
and all that.
But refined
as usual
over the years.
(:X |
| $$$$
User ID: 128391
United States
8/3/2007 1:35 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
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| Zdk
User ID: 128391
United States
8/3/2007 1:36 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
I got nothing
for sale.
(:X |
| Zdk
User ID: 128391
United States
8/3/2007 2:31 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
In Praise of the New Knighthood
St. Bernard of Clairvaux
IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, MY DEAR HUGH, you have asked me not once or twice, but three times to write a few words of exhortation for you and your comrades. You say that if I am not permitted to wield the lance, at least I might direct my pen against the tyrannical foe, and that this moral, rather than material support of mine will be of no small help to you. I have put you off now for quite some time, not that I disdain your request, but rather lest I be blamed for taking it lightly and hastily.
CHAPTER ONE
A WORD OF EXHORTATION FOR THE KNIGHTS OF THE TEMPLE
IT SEEMS THAT A NEW KNIGHTHOOD has recently appeared on the earth, and precisely in that part of it which the Orient from on high visited in the flesh. As he then troubled the princes of darkness in the strength of his mighty hand, so there he now wipes out their followers, the children of disbelief, scattering them by the hands of his mighty ones. Even now he brings about the redemption of his people raising up again a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David.
This is, I say, a new kind of knighthood and one unknown to the ages gone by. It ceaselessly wages a twofold war both against flesh and blood and against a spiritual army of evil in the heavens. When someone strongly resists a foe in the flesh, relying solely on the strength of the flesh, I would hardly remark it, since this is common enough. And when war is waged by spiritual strength against vices or demons, this, too, is nothing remarkable, praiseworthy as it is, for the world is full of monks. But when the one sees a man powerfully girding himself with both swords and nobly marking his belt, who would not consider it worthy of all wonder, the more so since it has been hitherto unknown? He is truly a fearless knight and secure on every side, for his soul is protected by the armor of faith just as his body is protected by armor of steel. He is thus doubly armed and need fear neither demons nor men. Not that he fears death–no, he desires it. Why should he fear to live or fear to die when for him to live is Christ, and to die is gain? Gladly and faithfully he stands for Christ, but he would prefer to be dissolved and to be with Christ, by far the better thing.
{Oh great now we got to fight the demons too???}
{Church's orders you know}
CHAPTER THREE
ON THE NEW KNIGHTHOOD
BUT THE KNIGHTS OF CHRIST may safely fight the battles of their Lord, fearing neither sin if they smite the enemy, nor danger at their own death; since to inflict death or to die for Christ is no sin, but rather, an abundant claim to glory. In the first case one gains for Christ, and in the second one gains Christ himself. The Lord freely accepts the death of the foe who has offended him, and yet more freely gives himself for the consolation of his fallen knight.
{see fear no sin}
The knight of Christ, I say, may strike with confidence and die yet more confidently, for he serves Christ when he strikes, and serves himself when he falls. Neither does he bear the sword in vain, for he is God’s minister, for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of the good. If he kills an evildoer, he is not a mankiller, but, if I may so put it, a killer of evil. He is evidently the avenger of Christ towards evildoers and he is rightly considered a defender of Christians. Should he be killed himself, we know that he has not perished, but has come safely into port. When he inflicts death it is to Christ’s profit, and when he suffers death, it is for his own gain. The Christian glories in the death of the pagan, because Christ is glorified; while the death of the Christian gives occasion for the King to show his liberality in the rewarding of his knight. In the one case the just shall rejoice when he sees justice done, and in the other man shall say, truly there is a reward for the just; truly it is God who judges the earth.
I do not mean to say that the pagans are to be slaughtered when there is any other way to prevent them from harassing and persecuting the faithful, but only that it now seems better to destroy them than that the rod of sinners be lifted over the lot of the just, and the righteous perhaps put forth their hands unto iniquity.
5. What then? If it is never permissible for a Christian to strike with the sword, why did the Savior’s precursor bid the soldiers to be content with their pay, and not rather forbid them to follow this calling? But if it is permitted to all those so destined by God, as is indeed the case provided they have not embraced a higher calling, to whom, I ask, may it be allowed more rightly than to those whose hands and hearts hold for us Sion, the city of our strength?
They shall come and exult on Mount Sion, and rejoice in the good things of the Lord.”
CHAPTER FOUR
ON THE LIFE STYLE OF THE KNIGHTS OF THE TEMPLE
AND NOW AS A MODEL, or at least for the shame of those knights of ours who are fighting for the devil rather than for God, we will briefly set forth the life and virtues of these cavaliers of Christ. Let us see how they conduct themselves at home as well as in battle, how they appear in public, and in what way the knight of God differs from the knight of the world.
In the first place, discipline is in no way lacking and obedience is never despised. As Scripture testifies, the undisciplined son shall perish and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, to refuse obedience is like the crime of idolatry. Therefore they come and go at the bidding of their superior. They wear what he gives them, and do not presume to wear or to eat anything from another source. Thus they shun every excess in clothing and food and content themselves with what is necessary.
{Slave Knights}
They live as brothers in joyful and sober company, without wives or children.
So that their evangelical perfection will lack nothing, they dwell united in one family with no personal property whatever, careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. You may say that the whole multitude has but one heart and one soul to the point that nobody follows his own will, but rather seeks to follow the commander.
They never sit in idleness or wander about aimlessly, but on the rare occasions when they are not on duty, they are always careful to earn their bread by repairing their worn armor and torn clothing, or simply by setting things to order. For the rest, they are guided by the common needs and by the orders of their master.
There is no distinction of persons among them, and deference is shown to merit rather than to noble blood. They rival one another in mutual consideration, and they carry one another’s burdens, thus fulfilling the law of Christ. No inappropriate word, idle deed, unrestrained laugh, not even the slightest whisper or murmur is left uncorrected once it has been detected. They foreswear dice and chess, and abhor the chase; they take no delight in the ridiculous cruelty of falconry, as is the custom.
As for jesters, magicians, bards, troubadours and jousters, they despise and reject them as so many vanities and unsound deceptions. Their hair is worn short, in conformity with the Apostle’s saying, that it is shameful for a man to cultivate flowing locks. Indeed, they seldom wash and never set their hair–content to appear tousled and dusty, bearing the marks of the sun and of their armor.
{Don't like the troubadours heh?}
8. When the battle is at hand, they arm themselves interiorly with faith and exteriorly with steel rather than decorate themselves with gold, since their business is to strike fear in the enemy rather than to incite his cupidity. They seek out horses which are strong and swift, rather than those which are brilliant and well-plumed, they set their minds on fighting to win rather than on parading for show. They think not of glory and seek to be formidable rather than flamboyant. At the same time, they are not quarrelsome, rash, or unduly hasty, but soberly, prudently and providently drawn up into orderly ranks, as we read of the fathers. Indeed, the true Israelite is a man of peace, even when he goes forth to battle.
{true Israelite?}
Once he finds himself in the thick of battle, this knight sets aside his previous gentleness, as if to say, “Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord; am I not disgusted with your enemies?” These men at once fall violently upon the foe, regarding them as so many sheep. No matter how outnumbered they are, they never regard these as fierce barbarians or as awe-inspiring hordes. Nor do they presume on their own strength, but trust in the Lord of armies to grant them the victory. They are mindful of the words of Maccabees, “It is simple enough for a multitude to be vanquished by a handful. It makes no difference to the God of heaven whether he grants deliverance by the hands of few or many; for victory in war is not dependent on a big army, and bravery is the gift of heaven.” On numerous occasions they had seen one man pursue a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight.
Thus in a wonderous and unique manner they appear gentler than lambs, yet fiercer than lions. I do not know if it would be more appropriate to refer to them as monks or as soldiers, unless perhaps it would be better to recognize them as being both. Indeed they lack neither monastic meekness nor military might. What can we say of this, except that this has been done by the Lord, and it is marvelous in our eyes. These are the picked troops of God, whom he has recruited from the ends of the earth; the valiant men of Israel chosen to guard well and faithfully that tomb which is the bed of the true Solomon, each man sword in hand, and superbly trained to war
[link to templars.wordpress.com]
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| Highlander_
User ID: 254820
United States
8/4/2007 12:50 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
It is interesting that you use a source that is written by a group who is in difference with me, especially Fr. Luis de Matos and Catholic Father/Templar, HUM?
[link to templars.wordpress.com]
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!
Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!
Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.
[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
| Zdk
User ID: 13458
United States
8/6/2007 12:14 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Hi Hilander,
My bad.
Forget you are
link sensitive.
Here's some more.
Same Letter.
Maybe you can
find one to
read here.
[link to www.the-orb.net]
[link to www.templarhistory.com]
[link to altreligion.about.com]
[link to faculty.smu.edu]
[link to www.maxwell.syr.edu]
[link to www.deremilitari.org]
The Knights Templar have become associated with legends concerning secrets and mysteries handed down to the select from ancient times. Rumors circulated even during the time of the Templars themselves. Freemasonic writers added their own speculations in the 19th century, and further fictional embellishments have been added in modern movies and best-selling novels such as Ivanhoe, National Treasure, Foucault's Pendulum, and The Da Vinci Code.[3]
The Dome of the Rock, one of the structures at the Temple Mount
The Dome of the Rock, one of the structures at the Temple Mount
The best known of the Templar legends are connected with the Order's early occupation of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and speculation about what relics the Templars may have found there, such as the Holy Grail or the Ark of the Covenant.[3][12][46] That the Templars were known to be in possession of some relics is certain. Even today, many churches display relics such as the bones of a saint, a scrap of cloth that a holy man once wore, or perhaps even the skull of a martyr. The Templars did the same. They were documented as having a piece of the True Cross, which the Bishop of Acre carried into battle with them at the disastrous Horns of Hattin.[50] When the battle was lost, Saladin captured the relic, which was then ransomed back to the Crusaders when the Muslims surrendered the city of Acre in 1191.[51] They were also known to possess the head of Saint Euphemia of Chalcedon.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Saint Euphemia is a Christian saint. She was a martyr at Chalcedon, c.307. Consecrated to virginity, her purity allegedly excited the hatred of pagan persecutors. She was seized, subjected to all manner of torments, and thrown to wild beasts. Churches in her honor have been erected all over the Christian world; the Greeks celebrate her day with special honors. Euphemia is a common baptismal name in Protestant Scotland. The feast day of Saint Euphemia is September 16.
Her relics (skeleton) were cherished by the Crusaders, with her head being stored by the Knights Templar at their preceptory in Nicosia on Cyprus.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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| Zdk
User ID: 13458
United States
8/6/2007 12:33 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
Hey Hilander,
Some of those
history links
I put up were
Jesuit.
hee hee
thought you would
call me on them.
They say the same
thing as university
ones.
The point is not
the details.
Forget the details.
Feel it.
Think about what
has/is happening.
The list of heresy.
Is the same for the
Cathars or Templars
or whoever.
How long would that
take to torment out.
A day?
This went on for
hundreds of years.
Maybe they aren't telling
all the questions
they were asking.
In the end even got
The Knights of Malta.
{the real ones that is}
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| Zdk
User ID: 13458
United States
8/6/2007 1:40 PM | | Re: Knights Templar's | Quote |
They wanted the
Temple Treasures.
It keeps going
through ww2.
Olwhatshisname.
Now/today.
Think about it.
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