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Highlander_ (OP)

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Hello to all. I am a Knight Templar of the York Rite. I do agree that this Sinclair stuff is just a bunch of bull. Several PHDs in Scotland also think so. The Sinclairs testified against the Knights Templar. Look on Wikipedia 'Rosslyn Chapel' under the heading on that page 4 of 8 "Templar and Masonic connections". Or look on my page www.voy.com/40560/ (Post 248 A:). P.S., My work on my page is copyrighted.
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Hey Brother, word of warning, watch which of those "PhD's" you quote as a few are quacks.
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What do you think of the idea that the Templars became the Free Masons and organized the 1381 Peasant Revolt?
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The dark KNIGHT occult ritual was a SIRIUS occult ritual planned by the KNIGHTS TEMPLARS

Why do you think both DARK KNIGHT movies were released less than a week before the rising of SIRIUS , JULY 23?

Why is the word NIGHT spelled with a K ?

Why are the KNIGHTS TEMPLARS so intrested in SIRIUS ?
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the original Knights Templar originated in FRANCE
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Original Templars were from the Champagne region of France, however they were formed in a monastary is Seborga, Italy. This was run by Bernard (St. Berbard) Clairvaux a Cistercian monk, who was the nephew of Andrew Montbard, one of the original 9 Templars.
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Highlander,

to answer your question, the Masons worked for the Templars

in France building Churches and such, elsewhere too, when

the Templars got burned, many Masons also got picked on

but to a much lesser extent, anyway, the point is they

were buddies, Templars went way underground, so did the

Masons, later they popped up together, Templars provided

the cash to build, Masons built, Templars went in all

directions, some Masons did as well, but they both

continued to exist, pheasant revolt was their doing,

John Robinson did some good research on this, he was not

a Mason, or would not have written it, some of Sinclairs,

St. Clairs were Templars, some were not, as far as the

testimony, well things occur in all families, none were

part of any made up perfect family, beware of some things

that have been written by modern Masons, especially if

they tell you that they are Masons as part of their

credibility, lots can join, the hard core will not talk

about any of this, the ones who do talk alot are almost

always full of it, the ones who know, say nothing, in

print or out of print, over time several have become Masons

in order to betray the Masons, so the real deal Templars

are Masonic, all the secrecy having to do with not getting

hunted down, modern Masonic Knights Templars are probably

not exactly the hard core, though some still are, and not

so hunted down, so the secrecy is not quite the big deal

it used to be, anyway, there is a start, story is long,

involved, almost all antiMason origins can be traced back

to Jesuits.
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Interesting thread, especially the first part of it,

very interesting indeed.

Shroud of Turin is real, well that is my opinion.
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Guess I should change my name, didn't know Nobody was

taken, just letting everyone know, average Joe, not belonging

to anything special, just interest in things going on.
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Haven't read the whole thread but I do know that you don't "join" the Templars, you are either born into it or not. Royal bloodlines.

I have met at least one real Templar in my life - Hapsburg royalty
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OP - If I was invited to join the one described in "The Templar Tradition" by Gaetan Delaforge, copyright 1987, I would probably join up. I have found the organization, as described in that book, to be one that I totally resonate with, and it feels "true" to me.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of the ones that are active now, including the one you referenced, are based upon the one the author describes, and therefore I would not be interested.

I have been looking for some manifestation of the Temple described in that book and sadly, have not found it.
"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak up, and remove all doubt." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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Haven't read the whole thread but I do know that you don't "join" the Templars, you are either born into it or not. Royal bloodlines.

I have met at least one real Templar in my life - Hapsburg royalty
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I was talking about joining the Masons, which many do,

ask to be one, now, the original nine Knights Templar

went after the Temple Treasures, before all of Israel was

to fall to others, they had to act, and they knew where

they were buried, they were not Catholic, but the Catholics

were in control of government and religion, and they

pulled off their plan, and the Temple Treasures are in

the United States, and were brought here before Columbus,

one of the oldest members, not the original nine,

grandfather was a Viking, so they already knew of America,

in fact Columbus was the last person to discover America.

The Copper Scroll found with the Dead Sea Scrolls outlines

the Treasures, the original nine had the paper version,

with told in detail the locations, and is referenced in

the Copper Scroll.
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Haven't read the whole thread but I do know that you don't "join" the Templars, you are either born into it or not. Royal bloodlines.

I have met at least one real Templar in my life - Hapsburg royalty
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I was talking about joining the Masons, which many do,

ask to be one, now, the original nine Knights Templar

went after the Temple Treasures, before all of Israel was

to fall to others, they had to act, and they knew where

they were buried, they were not Catholic, but the Catholics

were in control of government and religion, and they

pulled off their plan, and the Temple Treasures are in

the United States, and were brought here before Columbus,

one of the oldest members, not the original nine,

grandfather was a Viking, so they already knew of America,

in fact Columbus was the last person to discover America.

The Copper Scroll found with the Dead Sea Scrolls outlines

the Treasures, the original nine had the paper version,

with told in detail the locations, and is referenced in

the Copper Scroll.
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The treasure has been moved around a bit since then

was in the Phillipines and then Paraguay

during the 1980s they began transferring back to Austria via Greece under the cover of the Peruvian coke trade

all in Austria still last I heard - under the control of the Hapsburgs
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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You can search the Copper Scroll and get a much better

read, but here is a sorry wiki, the Treasure is in the

United States, and is guarded by the real deal.

The Copper Scroll (3Q15) is one of the Dead Sea Scrolls found in Cave 3 near Khirbet Qumran, but differs significantly from the others. Whereas the other scrolls are written on parchment or papyrus, this scroll is written on metal: copper mixed with about 1 percent tin. Unlike the others, it is not a literary work, but a list of locations at which various items of gold and silver are buried or hidden.

The treasure of the scroll has been assumed to be treasure of the Jewish Temple, presumably the Second Temple, among other options.

Thus, a treasure has yet to be found.

Robert Eisenman, in his book "James the Brother of Jesus" argues that the Copper Scroll is an authentic treasure map created by the Essene community, and places its authorship around the time of the First Revolt. He later maintains that a duplicate copy of the scroll may have been discovered by the Knights Templar during the First Crusade, who then dug up all the treasure and used it to fund their order. These claims are not taken seriously by most scholars.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

First and Second Temple, too bad it is not taken seriously,

since it is correct, will not be found, because it is gone,

long gone, you guys know the story about the original nine

digging under the Temple, so, what is the big deal about

these Treasures?
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oh, and they didn't find the map, they already had it,

always had it, hence the plan to go get it,

real simple math here.
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Hello Rev Stargazer,

Ok, not the direction I was going but here is some

humor for you, one treasure site got found, Apaches

found it, and a white guy learned about it from one

Apache, it has your Hapsburg behind it,

Maximilian I (Spanish: Maximiliano I; 6 July 1832 – 19 June 1867) was the only monarch of the Second Mexican Empire.

After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he was proclaimed Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864, with the backing of Napoleon III of France and a group of Mexican monarchists who sought to revive the Mexican monarchy.

His father was Archduke Franz Karl, the second surviving male child of the Holy Roman Emperor Francis II (after 1804, ruling the Austrian Empire as Franz I). Maximilian was thus a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, a female-line cadet branch of the House of Habsburg.

Rumors at the court stated that Maximilian was in fact the product of an extramarital affair between his mother and his first cousin Napoleon II (then known as the Duke of Reichstadt), only son of Napoleon Bonaparte;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and everybody already knows about the bees,

and the hive, and all that jive,

A Ring, a Sword, and Empress Carlotta's Crown


"There was also a man's ring found on Victorio Peak which was engraved with these words:
'Napoleon III Empereur Francais 1857.' "

(Note: A reference to Maximilian, the self-proclaimed French emperor of Mexico. J.R.)


"Maximilian was a cousin of Napoleon and his wife Carlotta's trunk was in the treasure cave with letters from Napoleon to Maximilian and Empress Carlotta both. The sword (Note: This may be the sword depicted in the photo of Ova Noss. J.R.) was made in Austria for Maximilian's honor guard. Then there was Carlotta's crown that Ova Noss scrubbed in her kitchen sink."

[link to treasuretrovegold.blogspot.com]
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Hello Rev Stargazer,

Ok, not the direction I was going but here is some

humor for you, one treasure site got found, Apaches

found it, and a white guy learned about it from one

Apache, it has your Hapsburg behind it,

Maximilian I (Spanish: Maximiliano I; 6 July 1832 – 19 June 1867) was the only monarch of the Second Mexican Empire.

After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he was proclaimed Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864, with the backing of Napoleon III of France and a group of Mexican monarchists who sought to revive the Mexican monarchy.

His father was Archduke Franz Karl, the second surviving male child of the Holy Roman Emperor Francis II (after 1804, ruling the Austrian Empire as Franz I). Maximilian was thus a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, a female-line cadet branch of the House of Habsburg.

Rumors at the court stated that Maximilian was in fact the product of an extramarital affair between his mother and his first cousin Napoleon II (then known as the Duke of Reichstadt), only son of Napoleon Bonaparte;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and everybody already knows about the bees,

and the hive, and all that jive,

A Ring, a Sword, and Empress Carlotta's Crown


"There was also a man's ring found on Victorio Peak which was engraved with these words:
'Napoleon III Empereur Francais 1857.' "

(Note: A reference to Maximilian, the self-proclaimed French emperor of Mexico. J.R.)


"Maximilian was a cousin of Napoleon and his wife Carlotta's trunk was in the treasure cave with letters from Napoleon to Maximilian and Empress Carlotta both. The sword (Note: This may be the sword depicted in the photo of Ova Noss. J.R.) was made in Austria for Maximilian's honor guard. Then there was Carlotta's crown that Ova Noss scrubbed in her kitchen sink."

[link to treasuretrovegold.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Not Important 28005077


Fascinating! Thank you!
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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The Gold House trilogy is a true story about a great treasure of untold wealth in ancient gold bullion and priceless antiquities, wrapped in a curious mixture of time and legend and deposited within a small, inconspicuous peak at a place known as the Hembrillo Basin in New Mexico. It is also a story of betrayal, conspiracy – and murder.

Terry Delonas, grandson to co-discoverer Ova Noss, being interviewed by a member of The Gold House research team about an event that occurred in 1963. Terry recounts the time when he was sitting at the side of his grandmother Ova Noss when she took a phone call from one of President Kennedy’s top White House administrators.

[link to www.victoriopeak.com]

so, google Victorio Peak Treasure, one of the biggest

real conspiracies, I am not selling any books or anything

here, so don't buy nothing, the government got the gold,

and the antiquities, a real National Treasure Movie.
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16,000 bars of gold, over 100 tons, look it up,

After Dallas, Kennedy was comming to New Mexico,

yea, I know, big conspiracy, shouldn't go there,

but, there it is, others can do the math on that

one.
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16,000 bars of gold, over 100 tons, look it up,

After Dallas, Kennedy was comming to New Mexico,

yea, I know, big conspiracy, shouldn't go there,

but, there it is, others can do the math on that

one.
 Quoting: Not Important 28005077


Didn't know about that connection

I think my grandfather did though - I was very young but I remember him ranting about gold and he did not like or trust Kennedy one bit

edit: gramps was a Mason

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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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The two most incredible allegations in the book are that presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon had a hand in stealing gold.

The alleged Nixon connection begins with a memo by a top Nixon aide, John Ehrlichman, written in 1970. While he was with Nixon in San Clemente, he wrote, "I was called on by a Mr. Keith Alexander ... who claims to have secret knowledge of the location of 742 bars of gold weighing 40 pounds each." Alexander was seeking the rights to it.

Alexander's name then turns up in a 1975 book about Victorio Peak. In it, attorney F. Lee Bailey, who represented some claimants to the gold in the 1970s, said Alexander and another man, Fred Drolte, had told him about the treasure. Drolte's name then turns up in an interview Clarence conducted in 2004 with a man named Richard Moyle, who was also a gold hunter.

Moyle said he had worked for Drolte. Drolte reportedly told Moyle that he had been in contact with Nixon about removing some gold, that he got a key to a back gate of the missile range from Nixon, and the theft occurred over Thanksgiving weekend in 1973. An FBI report shows that an Army lawyer contacted the FBI about an illegal entry to the Victorio Peak area that weekend and that the trespassers had used dynamite.

The linkages between all these actors are not perfect. Also, Drolte had been convicted of running guns in the 1960s, so he's not the most upstanding individual. Some might say it adds to the probability that he was involved. It's an outrageous tale to be sure, but then so was Watergate and the White House Plumbers' dirty tricks.

[link to www.ocregister.com]

he was running guns to Mexico, sound familiar?

anyway, the gold bars went everywhere, the Treasures

were saved.
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In fact, the gold is bait, what is supposed to get

stole, if ever found.
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And long before the yale frat boys and their skull of

Geronimo, which isn't Geronimo's, and their skateboaders

skull and crossbones, there was this,

My first introduction to the Knight Templar Apron was made on my first visit to the George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria, Virginia. There in the ante room to the Lodge is a large portrait of Lafayette wearing a black apron featuring the skull and cross bones. After a bit of inquiry, I was informed that the apron was that of a Knight Templar, which was one of the many orders into which Lafayette was received while he visited the United States during the Colonial Revolution.

All Templar encampments were qualified to give the degrees of the "Rose Croix" and the "Kadosh" which had existed in England as Templar degrees years before the establishment of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. In the original form of the Templar Ceremonies, the "Rose Croix de Herodom (sic)" was one step above the Templar installation, followed by the "Kadosh"...1

The costume of a Knight Templar shall consist of a full suit of black, dress coat and pantaloons, white cravat, black gloves, boots, and gilt spurs, all over a white surcoat, on the left breast of which shall be embroidered a red cross; and undress military cap, and on the front a Templar cross; a cross-hilted sword, the scabbard of black leather suspended from a black velvet or leather baldrick (sic), a short dagger on the left side, a black velvet apron of triangular form, having on the centre a patriarchal cross, and on the flap a skull and cross bones all in silver.

[link to www.blaisdell.com]

This is the third and last of the Kadosh degrees, and bone summates the Templarism of Masonry. The degree was originally a Christian degree of knighthood; its object was, for a long time, to raconteur the Holy Land and plant the Banner of the Cross once more on the ruined walls of Jerusalem. Many of the Knights of the Crusades were Masons, and thus became acquainted with the legend which Masonry had preserved.

The Knights Kadosh are the legitimate successors of the Templars.

Bodies of this degree are styled Conaistories. The hangings are black, strewed with tears of silver, skeletons, human skulls, and cross-bones.

[link to www.freemason.com]

A careful look must be taken at the known history of the growth and development of the Chivalric Orders of masonic knighthood if any sense is to be made of the connection between the Templars and Freemasonry. The earliest recorded masonic Knights Templar organizations were in Scotland and Ireland in the mid 1700s. They seem to have formed after a speech made by Michael Ramsay of Scotland in France purporting that the Knighthood of the Crusades had masonic influence. No-one is absolutely certain as to the exact dates involved, but in America the series of events are easier to follow.

Who followed Davis and how did the Masonic Order of the Temple grow in the United States ?

The second Knight Templar in America was created on 11 December, 1769.

His name was Paul Revere,

immortalized in Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's poern on his famous midnight ride. He was born in Boston on 1 January, 1735 and was apprenticed as a Silversmith and Engraver, which trade he followed all of his life and in which he achieved distinction.

He was an avid Patriot, joining an expedition against the French at Crown Point in 1756, and was an ardent advocate of American Independence, wellknown for his activities at the Boston Tea Party.

He was military minded, being appointed Major and afterward Lieutenant-Colonel of a regiment raised in Boston. He petitioned and received the Degrees of Excellent, Super-Excellent, Royal Arch and Knight Templar in St. Andrew's Chapter on 11 December, 1769.

[link to www.guigue.org]

Paul Revere was the second Knight Templar created in

America.
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Medieval knights hid and secretly venerated The Holy Shroud of Turin for more than 100 years after the Crusades, the Vatican said Sunday in an announcement that appeared to solve the mystery of the relic’s missing years.

The Knights Templar, an order which was suppressed and disbanded for alleged heresy, took care of the linen cloth, which bears the image of a man with a beard, long hair and the wounds of crucifixion, according to Vatican researchers.

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Meanwhile, Maximilian invited ex-Confederates to move to Mexico in a series of settlements called the "Carlota Colony" and the New Virginia Colony with a dozen others being considered, a plan conceived by the internationally renowned U.S. Navy oceanographer and inventor Matthew Fontaine Maury. Maximilian also invited settlers from "any country" including Austria and the other German states.[26]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) was a secret society.

During the American Civil War, some Southern sympathizers in the Northern states such as Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa, were accused of belonging to the Knights of the Golden Circle, and in some cases were imprisoned for their activities.

George W. L. Bickley, a Virginia-born doctor, editor, and "adventurer" who lived in Cincinnati, founded the association. Records of the K.G.C. convention held in 1860 state that the organization “originated at Lexington, Kentucky, on the fourth day of July 1854, by five gentlemen who came together on a call made by Gen. George Bickley….”[1] He organized the first castle, or local branch, in Cincinnati in 1854. Hounded by creditors, he left Cincinnati in the late 1850s and traveled through the East and South, promoting an expedition to Mexico. Following the Mexican-American War of 1846, the group's original goal was to provide a force to colonize the northern part of Mexico and the West Indies.

KGC members also figured prominently among those who, in 1861, joined Lt. Col. John Robert Baylor in his temporarily successful takeover of southern New Mexico Territory[citation needed]. In May 1861, members of the KGC and Confederate Rangers attacked a building which housed a pro-Union newspaper, the Alamo Express, owned by J. P. Newcomb, and burned it down.[2] Other KGC members followed Brig. Gen. Henry Hopkins Sibley on the 1862 New Mexico Campaign, which sought to bring the New Mexico Territory into the Confederate fold. Both Baylor and Trevanion Teel, Sibley's captain of artillery, had been among the KGC members who rode with Ben McCulloch.

The Knights of the Golden Circle were portrayed as the conspirators in the Lincoln assassination in the Disney movie National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets (2007).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Here his story--a true story of the Weird West . . .

Jesse James reportedly belonged to a secret society, The Knights of the Golden Circle. Other members included Jefferson Davis, Bedford Forrest, and William Quantrill (leader of the Confederate guerilla outfit Quantrill's Raiders, with whom James rode). Some believe the society was created by the notorious Albert Pike, the subject of many a Masonic conspiracy theory.

After General Robert E. Lee's surrender at Appomatox, a force of 2,000 Missouri cavalry and a full regiment of Confederate-led Red Bone Indians from East Texas, led by General J. O. Shelby journeyed to Mexico to join their ally, the Emperor Maximilian. When they were later threatened by Mexican patriots under the leadership of Benito Juarez, an elite force led by William Quantrill and Jesse James was sent to rescue them.

While in Mexico, James was enlisted in an operation to smuggle Maximilian's treasure out of Mexico.

For their assistance, Maximilian rewarded the Knights of the Golden Circle $12.5 million in gold, and Jesse James $5 million.

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Before the War Between the States, there was the Aztec Club,

they were buddies, 1847, and during the war.

The Aztec Club

Included in the Roster of Original Members, which listed some 160 military officers are, in the words of historian K. Jack Bauer, "most of the major figures in the Mexican War army and a large group whose fame would come a decade and a half later as leaders of the Union and Confederate Armies in the struggle of 1861-1865". Their friendships, and struggles, are unique to the Aztec Club. Many other members of the Club, not original members in 1847, were equally significant leaders of the Army and Navy, both Federal and Confederate, in the great struggle of 1861-1865.

Although entirely non-political in its organization and scope, no less than six of its members have been the standard bearers of their respective parties for President of the United States: Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Winfield Scott, George Brinton McClellan and Winfield Scott Hancock. Of these, three were elected to and have administered that great office.

Two of the Club's members have been candidates for Vice President of the United States, John A. Logan and Simon Bolivar Buckner, and a long line of its distinguished members have held high place in Congress, in the professions and other prominent fields of civic authority and in the Army, Navy and Marine Corps.

[link to www.aztecclub.com]

The Aztec Club of 1847 is, in point of age, the second ranking American patriotic society, coming next after the Society of the Cincinnati. Included in the roster of original members, which lists some 160 military officers are, in the words of K. Jack Baurer, "most of the major figures of the Mexican War army and a large group whose fame would come a decade and a half later as leaders of the Union and Confederate Armies in the Struggle of 1861-1865.
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It is the only military society to which Robert Edward Lee belonged.[3]

By an Act of Congress, its medal is to this day authorized for wear on America's military uniforms.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Why Switzerland?


Surely they emanated from England?


Maybe they just emigrated to Switzerland!


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Why Switzerland?


Surely they emanated from England?


Maybe they just emigrated to Switzerland!


rofl
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It is actually called "Immigrated" when you move to another country. Emigrated means moved from a country.
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If you where invited to join the Knights Templar organization, that has no affiliation with the Masons would you do so?

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as I AM Nobody
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John J. Robinson argues for the Templar-Masonic connection in his book Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry, in which he alleges that some French Templars fled to Scotland after the suppression of the Order, fearing persecution from both Church and state. He claims they sought refuge with a lodge of Scottish stonemasons within which they began to teach the virtues of chivalry and obedience, using the builders tools as a metaphor; and eventually they began taking in "speculative masons" (men of other professions) in order to ensure the continuation of the Order. According to Robinson, the Order existed in secret in this form until the formation of the United Grand Lodge of England in 1717. An example of Templar-Masonic transitory symbolism can supposedly be found in Rosslyn Chapel owned by the first Earls of Rosslyn, a family with well documented ties to Scottish Freemasonry, however Rosslyn Chapel itself dates from at least 100 years after the suppression of the Templars.

Some scholars, such as Hugh J. Schonfield,[9] and fringe researchers argue that the Knights Templar may have found the Copper Scroll treasure of the Qumran Essenes in the tunnels beneath the Temple Mount. They suggest that this might explain one of the charges of heresy which were later brought against the knights by the Medieval Inquisition.

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no, they had the paprus scroll which has more detail

on the locations then the copper scroll, this scroll

is referenced in the copper scroll.
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So, what's the big deal with all this?

Nothing that Matters much, the treasures are from

the first Temple, and the second Temple, the Crusades

were only about the recovery of these treasures, the

land was to be lost anyway, anyone with half a brain

could see that, the other armies were huge, and the

logistics at that time, and place, was insane, way too

far away, and the commitment of various groups of

whatever, was poor, oh they actually put up a fight,

but having scattered forts, anyway, you know the story,

no, the deal is the Third Temple, and the importance of

these items, well to those interested in prophesies,

and those wanting to prevent them, behind all the

conspiracies and disinformation, there has been quite a

battle for these items, this battle has actually not been

known to all that many, but its importance, and the

results are big, and the real story behind so many other

stories, though not always that apparent to the uninformed

observer, so, now you have been told.
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Hello Rev Stargazer,

Ok, not the direction I was going but here is some

humor for you, one treasure site got found, Apaches

found it, and a white guy learned about it from one

Apache, it has your Hapsburg behind it,

Maximilian I (Spanish: Maximiliano I; 6 July 1832 – 19 June 1867) was the only monarch of the Second Mexican Empire.

After a distinguished career in the Austrian Navy, he was proclaimed Emperor of Mexico on 10 April 1864, with the backing of Napoleon III of France and a group of Mexican monarchists who sought to revive the Mexican monarchy.

His father was Archduke Franz Karl, the second surviving male child of the Holy Roman Emperor Francis II (after 1804, ruling the Austrian Empire as Franz I). Maximilian was thus a member of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine, a female-line cadet branch of the House of Habsburg.

Rumors at the court stated that Maximilian was in fact the product of an extramarital affair between his mother and his first cousin Napoleon II (then known as the Duke of Reichstadt), only son of Napoleon Bonaparte;

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and everybody already knows about the bees,

and the hive, and all that jive,

A Ring, a Sword, and Empress Carlotta's Crown


"There was also a man's ring found on Victorio Peak which was engraved with these words:
'Napoleon III Empereur Francais 1857.' "

(Note: A reference to Maximilian, the self-proclaimed French emperor of Mexico. J.R.)


"Maximilian was a cousin of Napoleon and his wife Carlotta's trunk was in the treasure cave with letters from Napoleon to Maximilian and Empress Carlotta both. The sword (Note: This may be the sword depicted in the photo of Ova Noss. J.R.) was made in Austria for Maximilian's honor guard. Then there was Carlotta's crown that Ova Noss scrubbed in her kitchen sink."

[link to treasuretrovegold.blogspot.com]
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I recently toured the Biltmore Mansion in Asheville, NC and after reading the above a few things popped out to me regarding some of the items inside the Mansion of George Vanderbilt:
-Napoleon's Chess Set
George Vanderbilt would go on to develop a fascination with Napoleon, one of the most celebrated figures in Western world history. Books, etchings and engravings are among Biltmore’s collections.

In the music room at Biltmore:
Above the fireplace hangs one of Albrecht Durer's largest commissions for the emperor Maximillian I. The Triumphal Arch of Maximilian depicts his family tree, scenes from his life, and historic portraits of the nobility of the Holy Roman Empire. The work consists of 92 engraved blocks which form a print 11 1/4 feet high and almost 10 feet wide. His monogram and dates are inscribed on the mantel below. The mantel, designed by the original architect of the house, Richard Morris Hunt, had been stored in the house for eighty years before being installed.
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George V. was also a Freemason, sanctioned operation of a lodge, on what is now known as the Biltmore Estate.
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Hello Reckless,

Napoleon was quite the chess player,

even in real life,

here you go,

In 1795, he was serving in Paris. He was given command of the forces defending the Convention in the Tuileries Palace. It was said that Lieutenant Bonaparte often played chess at the Café de Regance.

On June 4, 1796, Mantua, Italy was attacked by Napoleon. Napoleon stopped in Mantua to play chess with the commandant of the town, General Beauvoir.

He supposedly played chess against Joachim Murat (1767-1815), his youngest sister’s (Caroline Bonaparte) husband, and king of Naples (1808-1815).

He supposedly played chess in Egypt with his adjudants Matthias Poussielgue (Napoleon’s finance advisor) and Pierre Amedee Jaubert (1779-1847), who was Napoleon’s interpreter.

In 1803, he sold French assets, the Louisiana Purchase, to the United States.


On March 20, 1804, he supposedly played a game of chess with Madame Claire de Remusat (1780-1821) at the Malmaison Castle in Hauts-de-Seine, France (home of Josephine and Napoleon). It was the day before Louis-Antoine-Henri de Bourbon-Conde, the duc d’Enghein (1772-1804) was executed. The game was first published in Le Palamede in July, 1845.

n January, 1807, he started his Polish campaign. During the Polish campaign, he supposedly played chess with Joachim Murat, Louis Antoine Fauvelet de Bourrienne (1769-1834), Louis Alexandre Berthier (1753-1815), and Huges-Bernard Maret, the Duke of Bassano (1763-1839).

In 1809, he supposedly played the Automaton (the Turk) three games of chess while he was in Austria. The games was supposedly played at Schonbrunn Castle in Vienna, which was occupied by Napoleon during the Wagram campaign.

From Oct 15, 1815 he was imprisoned and then exiled by the British to the island of Saint Helena. It was said that he played chess every day in St. Helena. Two of his most common opponents were Count (General) Henri Bertrand (1775-1846) and Charles Tristan, marquis de Montholon (1782-1853).

On March 7, 1816, Napoleon played chess with the Grand Marechal.



It goes on,

anyway, you get the drift,

last part,

When he died, Hudson Lowe, the prison commander, permitted Napoleon’s heart to be extracted and kept separately in a vase, in case Lowe would receive directions from the British government that Napoleon’s heart would be allowed to be transported to France.



In the March 15, 1884 issue of the Brooklyn Chess Chronicle, it was stated that the son of W.H. Vanderbuilt (George Vanderbilt) had been presented with a set of chessmen and chess table used by Napoleon.

The set is displayed at the Biltmore Estate in Asheville, North Carolina.

The Washington Post, May 4, 1884, stated that Napoleon’s heart was placed on the chess table during the post-mortem and that one could still see the blood stains.

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Interesting chess set.

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