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Knights Templar's

 
Zadok
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Hi HunterMan,

Highlander you too.

I jumped around kinda hitting on the

points that were being made about

conquistors, etc. You are right it is

very fagmented. And the sex thing is

really not what should be worried

about.

I will try to keep my sarcastic

comments to myself.

In the mean time here is an OK read

on the Knights.



"Yet ’midst her towering fanes in ruin laid,
The pilgrim saint his murmuring vespers paid;
’Twas his to mount the tufted rocks, and rove
The chequer’d twilight of the olive-grove:
’Twas his to bend beneath the sacred gloom,
And wear with many a kiss Messiah's tomb."

The name and reputation of the Knights Templars speedily spread throughout Europe, and various illustrious pilgrims from the far west aspired to become members of the holy fraternity. Among these was Falk, Count of Anjou, who joined the society as a married brother, (A.D. 1120,) and annually remitted the order thirty pounds of silver. Baldwin, king of Jerusalem, foreseeing that great advantages would accrue to the Latin kingdom by the increase of the power and numbers of these holy

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warriors, exerted himself to extend the order throughout all Christendom, so that he might, by means of so politic an institution, keep alive the holy enthusiasm of the west, and draw a constant succour from the bold and warlike races of Europe for the support of his christian throne and kingdom.


[who joined the society as a married brother, (A.D. 1120,)]



To this learned and devout prelate two knights templars were despatched with the following letter:

"Baldwin, by the grace of the Lord JESUS CHRIST, King of Jerusalem, and Prince of Antioch, to the venerable Father Bernard, Abbot of Clairvaux, health and regard.

"The Brothers of the Temple, whom the Lord hath deigned to raise up, and whom by an especial Providence he preserves for the defence of this kingdom, desiring to obtain from the Holy See the confirmation of their institution, and a rule for their particular guidance, we have determined to send to you the two knights, Andrew and Gondemar, men as much distinguished by

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their military exploits as by the splendour of their birth, to obtain from the Pope the approbation of their order, and to dispose his holiness to send succour and subsidies against the enemies of the faith, reunited in their design to destroy us, and to invade our christian territories.


[as much distinguished by their military exploits]

[as by the splendour of their birth]

(asked for rubber stamp, AFTER formation of order)

Soon after the above letter had been despatched to St. Bernard, Hugh de Payens himself proceeded to Rome, accompanied by Geoffrey de St. Aldemar, and four other brothers of the order, viz. Brother Payen de Montdidier, Brother Gorall, Brother Geoffrey Bisol, and Brother Archambauld de St. Amand. They were received with great honour and distinction by Pope Honorius, who warmly approved of the objects and designs of the holy fraternity. St. Bernard had, in the mean time, taken the affair greatly to heart; he negotiated with the Pope, the legate, and the bishops of France, and obtained the convocation of a great ecclesiastical council at Troyes, (A.D. 11280 which Hugh de Payens and his brethren were invited to attend. This council consisted of several archbishops, bishops, and abbots, among

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which last was St. Bernard himself. The rules to which the Templars had subjected themselves were there described by the master, and to the holy Abbot of Clairvaux was confided the task of revising and correcting these rules, and of framing a code of statutes fit and proper for the governance of the great religious and military fraternity of the Temple.

[holy Abbot of Clairvaux was confided the task of revising and correcting these rules]- so that's where that came from.


[fast forward]

The year following, (A.D. 1247,) the Carizmians were annihilated; they were cut up in detail by the Templars and Hospitallers, and were at last slain to a man. Their very name perished from the face of the earth, but the traces of their existence were long preserved in the ruin and desolation they had spread around them. † The Holy Land, although happily freed from the destructive presence of these barbarians, had yet everything to fear from the powerful sultan of Egypt, with whom hostilities still continued; and Brother William de Sonnac, the Grand Master of the Temple, for the purpose of stimulating the languid energies of the English nation, and reviving their holy zeal and enthusiasm in the cause of the Cross, despatched a distinguished Knight Templar to England, charged with the duty of presenting to king Henry the Third a magnificent crystal vase, containing a portion of the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, which had been poured forth upon the sacred soil of Palestine for the remission of the sins of all the faithful.

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A solemn attestation of the genuineness of this precious relic, signed by the patriarch of Jerusalem, and the bishops, the abbots, and the barons of the Holy Land, was forwarded to London for the satisfaction of the king and his subjects, and was deposited, together with the vase and its inestimable contents, in the cathedral church of Saint Paul. *


The History of the Knights Templar
by Charles G. Addison
[1842]

(1842-before internet)


Addison quotes liberally from contemporary accounts in Latin, Norman French, and Early Modern English (which he thankfully occasionally translates), and includes extensive citations of source documents. If you want to learn the fascinating history of the Knights Templars without any extraneous theorizing, this is an excellent book to start with.

[link to www.sacred-texts.com]



Tyre was valiantly defended against all the efforts of Saladin until the winter had set in, and then the disappointed sultan, despairing of taking the place, burnt his military engines and retired to Damascus. In the mean time, negotiations had been set on foot for the release from captivity of Guy king of Jerusalem, and Gerard de Riderfort, the Grand Master of the Temple. No less than eleven of the most important of the cities and castles remaining to the Christians in Palestine, including Ascalon, Gaza, Jaffa, and Naplous, were yielded up to Saladin by way of ransom for these illustrious personages; and at the commencement of the year 1188, the Grand Master of the

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Temple again appeared in arms at the head of the remaining forces of the order.

[burnt his military engines and retired to Damascus]

Tail between legs, running for Damascus, high tailing it out of there.

hee hee

[faster forward]
[burning bandwidth]



Tyre is under Fire Sire.



{and what you should be asking about}
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On the conquest of Jerusalem by the Moslems, this venerable church was converted into a mosque, and was called D’jamé al Acsa; it was enclosed, together with the great Mussulman Temple of the Lord erected by the Caliph Omar, within a large area by a high stone wall, which runs around the edge of the summit of Mount Moriah, and guards from the profane tread of the unbeliever the whole of that sacred ground whereon once stood the gorgeous temple of the wisest of kings. *

When the Holy City was taken by the crusaders, the D’jamé al Acsa, with the various buildings constructed around it, became the property of the kings of Jerusalem; and is denominated by William of Tyre "the palace," or "royal house to the south of the Temple of the Lord, vulgarly called the Temple of Solomon." † It was this edifice or temple on Mount Moriah which was appropriated to the use of the poor fellow-soldiers of Jesus Christ, as they had no church and no particular place of

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abode, and from it they derived their name of Knights Templars. *

[Not a mosque]

{what I said}


At the same period, the Emperor Lothaire bestowed on the order a large portion of his patrimony of Supplinburg; and the year following, (A.D. 1131,) Alphonso the First, king of Navarre and Arragon, also styled Emperor of Spain, one of the greatest warriors of the age, by his will declared the Knights of the Temple his heirs and successors in the crowns of Navarre and Arragon, and a few hours before his death he caused this will to be ratified and signed by most of the barons of both kingdoms. The validity of this document, however, was

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disputed, and the claims of the Templars were successfully resisted by the nobles of Navarre; but in Arragon they obtained, by way of compromise, lands, and castles, and considerable dependencies, a portion of the customs and duties levied throughout the kingdom, and of the contributions raised from the Moors.


Keys to the story on Spain are

Navarre and Arragon


same link as above
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John J. Robinson, Born in Blood

Yea not bad too.

Got the title

Right.
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G'Day Zadok


interesting posts....

I'm not sure if you
are saying you know
about the "orignal
knights" or if you
are one........

If you know one
ok.....

If you are one
then you know
"S"_ _ _ _ _ _ _?

The True Templar
was from the start...

It was the pleadge to them both
til the end of time.....

They are his/her own personal army
you cannot be drafted...



M.
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THE mail-clad monumental effigies reposing side by side on the pavement of "the Round" of the Temple Church, have been supposed to be monuments of Knights Templars, but this is not the case. The Templars were always buried in the habit of their order, and are represented in it on their tombs. This habit was a long white mantle, as before mentioned, with a red cross over the left breast; it had a short cape and a hood behind, and fell down to the feet unconfined by any girdle. In a long mantle of this description, with the cross of the order carved upon it, is represented the Knight Templar Brother Jean de Dreux, in the church of St. Yvod de Braine in France, with this inscription, in

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letters of gold, carved upon the monument--F. JEAN LI TEMPLIER FUIS AU COMTE JEAN DE DREUX. *

Although not monuments of Knight Templars, yet these interesting cross-legged effigies have strong claims to our attention upon other grounds. They appear to have been placed in the Temple Church, to the memory of a class of men termed "Associates of the Temple," who, though not actually admitted to the holy vows and habit of the order, were yet received into a species of spiritual connexion with the Templars, curiously illustrative of the superstition and credulity of the times.

Many piously-inclined persons of rank and fortune, bred up amid the pleasures and the luxuries of the world, were anxiously desirous of participating in the spiritual advantages and blessings believed to be enjoyed by the holy warriors of the Temple, in respect of the good works done by the fraternity, but could not bring themselves to submit to the severe discipline and gloomy life of the regularly-professed brethren. For the purpose of turning the tendencies and peculiar feelings of such persons to a good account, the Master and Chapter of the Temple assumed the power of admitting them into a spiritual association and connexion with the order, so that, without renouncing their pleasures and giving up their secular mode of life, they might share in the merit of the good works performed by the brethren.

During the recent repairs it became necessary to make an extensive excavation in the Round, and beneath these monumental effigies were found two enormous stone coffins, together with five


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leaden coffins curiously and beautifully ornamented with a device resembling the one observable on the old tesselated pavement of the church; and an arched vault, which had been formed in the inner circular foundation, supporting the clustered columns and the round tower. The leaden coffins had been inclosed in small vaults, the walls of which had perished. The skeletons within them were entire and undisturbed; they were enveloped in coarse sackcloth, which crumbled to dust on being touched. One of these skeletons measured six feet four inches in length, and another six feet two inches!

"In the round walk (which is the west part without the quire) there remain monuments of noblemen there buried, to the number of eleven. Eight of them are images of armed knights; five lying cross-legged, as men vowed to the Holy Land against the infidels and unbelieving Jews, the other three straight-legged. The rest are coped stones, all of gray marble." * A manuscript history of the Temple in the Inner Temple library, written at the commencement of the reign of Charles the First, tells us that "the crossed-legged images or portraitures remain in carved stone in the middle of the round walke, environed with barres of iron." † And Dugdale, in his Origines Juridiciales, published 1666, thus describes them: "Within a spacious grate of iron in the midst of the round walk under the steeple, do lye eight statues in military habits, each of them having large and deep shields on their left armes, of which five are cross-legged. There are also three other gravestones lying about five inches above the level of the ground, on one of which is a large escocheon, with a lion rampant graven thereon." ‡ Such is the ancient account of these monuments; now, however, six instead of five cross-legged statues are to be seen, making nine armed knights, whilst only one coped gravestone remains. The effigies are no longer inclosed "within a spacious grate of iron," but are divided into two groups environed by iron railings, and are placed on either side of the entrance to the oblong portion of the church.



[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

enveloped in coarse sackcloth, which crumbled to dust on being touched.

five lying cross-legged


OK, here is great example of using your brain.

They didn't do bad but got it wrong because

they didn't pay attention.

Hope this makes sense.

better when I cut and paste. hey?

Those "crossed legs" should be crossed "thigh bones"

them rich guys were buried in sackcloth?

Skull and Crossbones

is what that is.

See if I can find you a couple of pictures.
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Hi 76493,

All my friends tell me

I am Crazy.

I tell them I think they

are all Nuts.



Yes, I know some.

(:X
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But then it just may be a

Lunatic your looking for.

They pretend that the eventual 'alternative history' they create is the detailing of an immense and intricate master plot, the ultimate in nefarious schemes perpetrated by an elusive elite order descended from the Knights Templar, with the aim of taking over the world. Even as they mock the 'diabolicals' whose texts they are interpretively amalgamating, the three slowly become obsessed with the delineation of this 'Plan'. However, their derisive joke is believed by those whose material went into its creation, and they find themselves caught in a reality made by their fiction, as they are murderously pursued by those they sought to deride.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Sinclair

(:X
~Mariah~

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"Zadok
Yes, I know some.

(:X"


Then you are far from Crazy :-)....

All The Best To You.......


M.
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Not a very good test.

I have a better one.

The orgin of the

Skull and Crossbones.

What is the origin?

And what does it

Represent?

Hint.

It is old as fuck.

From St Clair to Sinclair – the family who built Rosslyn

ANYONE looking for colourful family history need only take a peek at the Clan Sinclair. It's all in there - family ties to William the Conqueror, A pre-Columbus voyage to the New World and liege lords to Robert the Bruce. To top it all there's their position as Scottish Grand Masters of the Knights Templar and legendary guardians of the secrets of Rosslyn.

Not bad for one family, if it were all true. But there is a problem separating Sinclair romance from reality.

London based Scots businessman Niven Sinclair has gone to great lengths to prove the family origins, having recently purchased a hand-worked replica of the Domesday Book (William the Conqueror's valuation role of lands and owners, which includes St Clairs.) This allows Niven Sinclair to demonstrate the Clan's lineage back to a Norse raider called Hrolf the Ganger who invaded Normandy in the 10th Century.

A portrait of an early Sir William St Clair.

"He was created the first Duke of Normandy by the treaty of St Clare-sur-Epte in the year 912," says Sinclair. "His descendants in northwest France became known as St Clare, or St Clair. This is all recorded in the Norse Sagas."

These sagas provide Niven Sinclair with further clues as to the clan's journey from Viking raiders to Scottish lords.

The remains of William St Clair, great-grandfather of the founder of Rosslyn Chapel, are said to be buried in Rosslyn, Templar style, with crossed leg bones placed beneath skull.

[link to heritage.scotsman.com]
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[link to www.irokoenterprises.com]
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[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

[link to www.britainexpress.com]

Not very good pictures.

Google Temple Church

Also old painting with Knights

with crossed thigh bones.

Look kinda funny

But thats the deal.
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[link to www.lodgephoto.com]


Better pic.

Some more of these around other

churchs. with pictures.

but they never seem

to know.
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Sinclair

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Saint Clairs where not part of the orginal Knight Templars, why do you think they where, Zadok?
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

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G'Day Highlander

"Saint Clairs where not part of the orginal Knight Templars"


Can you share how you know this...

Can you state when and where the
first "original templars were
started and why?......


It's not St. Bernard
of Clairvaux or
in Jerusalem in 1118 by Hughes de Payens,
Geoffroy de St. Omer and seven other French knights......

Norse Myth?
Before Sumeria?
9th Tribe of Atlantis?

What's in a name when it's the
recarnated soul that counts......



M.
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G'Day Highlander

"Saint Clairs where not part of the original Knight Templar's"


Can you share how you know this...

Can you state when and where the
first "original Templar's were
started and why?......


It's not St. Bernard
of Clairvaux or
in Jerusalem in 1118 by Hughes de Payens,
Geoffroy de St. Omer and seven other French knights......

Norse Myth?
Before Sumeria?
9th Tribe of Atlantis?

What's in a name when it's the
reincarnated soul that counts......



M.
 Quoting: ~Mariah~ 76493


M. in earlier posts their is information posted about the "original" Templar's know as the "Knights of the Sword" I am not interested in myth or legends other than for entertainment, what I do is historical research into timelines including the Templar's and certain bloodlines of personal interest to me.
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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"I do is historical research into timelines including the Templar's and certain bloodlines of personal interest to me."


Ah.....

And you believe that "Original Templars"
can be found through research...that
it's true history is available outside
of the record keepers.....

Good luck with that........



What if humans did not originate on
earth...and only a guest on this planet from the ruling Royal House...history and linage would be only true to a certain point in time and then not very accurate....

What if the entity known as the Christ and his Templar Army have a few thousand
years existance before 0AD.....Hard to
trace bloodlines when you don't know
who they are.......

Who said Myth and Legend are not fact...



M.
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Who said Myth and Legend are not fact...

Well the old adage is; As truth fades it becomes myth and falls into legend. But as for aliens being our God this I do not nor will I ever believe, while aliens may exist they are not our creators, but are simply other creations of God.
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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And you believe that "Original Templars"
can be found through research...that
it's true history is available outside
of the record keepers.....

Good luck with that........

Yes I do believe that research will show the truth if you look hard enough. Thanks for the wishes.:)
Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna!

Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam!

Dante said,
‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.

[link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com]
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PackMule,,,


(knocks at the door)

Who is it?
It's me, Dave. Open up, man, I got the stuff.

(More knocks)

Who is it?

It's me, Dave, man. Open up, I got the stuff.

Who?

It's, Dave, man. Open up, I think the cops saw me come in here.

(More knocks)

Who is it?

It's, Dave, man. Will you open up, I got the stuff with me.

Who?

Dave, man. Open up.

Dave?

Yeah, Dave. C'mon, man, open up, I think the cops saw me.

Dave's not here.

No, man, I'm Dave, man.

(Sharp knocks at the door)

Hey, c'mon, man.

Who is it?

It's Dave, man. Will you open up? I got the stuff with me.

Who?

Dave, man. Open up.

Dave?

Yeah, Dave.

Dave's not here.

What the hell? No, man, I am Dave, man. Will you...

(More knocks)

C'mon! Open up the door, will you? I got the stuff with me, I think the cops saw me.

Who is it?

Oh, what the hell is it...c'mon. Open up the door! It's Dave!

Who?

Dave! D-A-V-E! Will you open up the goddam door!

Dave?

Yeah, Dave!

Dave?

Right, man. Dave. Now will you open up the door?

Dave's not here


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Let he who walks through Paradise unarmed

make damn sure that is where he is at

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TFG

Let he who walks through Paradise unarmed

make damn sure that is where he is at

verily for

there were

Serpents

even in the

Garden of Eden.


Good one.

Did you make that up?

Dave.

Too bad EVE didn't have a

Single Action Army

in

.45 Long Colt

(:X
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Hi Hilander,

Lets see, the Lost Tribe of Benji.

Think they ended up in the

State of Illinois.


Mariah,

Impressive!!!
Zadok
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Saint Clairs where not part of the orginal Knight Templars, why do you think they where, Zadok?

Oh, you mean one of the orginal nine

names? No. you are right, not on the

list of nine.

But then I might submit, there were

many more Knights Templar than those

nine.

And they didn't stay at the Dome of

the

Rock, because there wasn't any other

place to put them.

"Hey you dirty little poor knights,

why don't you go use the DOR for your

shitter."
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Hi Hilander,

Marie de Saint-Clair b abt 1192 was said-to-be descended from Henry de Saint-Clair, Baron of Roslin in Scotland, who accompanied Godfroi de Boullion on the First Crusade. Marie's grandmother married into the French Chaumont family - as did Jean de Gisors. Marie may have been the second wife of Jean de Gisors.

She is rumored to have been the second grand master of the Priory of Sion.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Grand Masters of the Priory of Sion

1. Jean de Gisors (1188-1220)
2. Marie de Saint-Clair (1220-1266)
3. Guillaume de Gisors (1266-1307)
4. Edouard de Bar (1307-1336)
5. Jeanne de Bar (1336-1351)
6. Jean de Saint-Clair (1351-1366)
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"The [original Knights Templar] of whom little is known are believed to have been representatives of the ruling families of Champagne, Anjou, Gisors and Flanders. The leader of the Templars was Hugues de Payen, a middle-ranking noble-man in Champagne who married Catherine St Clair, the niece of his crusading partner Baron Henri St Clair of Roslin, in 1101."

There they go Marrying again.
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Henri ``the Holy'' de St Clair (1060-1110) second Baron of Roslin
The second baron of Roslin and the first who was born in Scotland was Henri ``the Holy'' de St Clair (1060-1110), who participated in the First Crusade (1096-1099) and was at the fall of Jerusalem in 1096. He was called ``the Holy'' because he was a Crusader; many of his descendants also were Crusaders.

[link to sinclair.quarterman.org]

In 1128 the cousin of St Bernard of Clairvaux, Hugues de Payens, who served on the First Crusade with Henri St Clair, First Earl of Roslin, and is sometimes connected to Catherine St Clair, met King David I in Scotland. The Order established a seat at Balantrodoch, now Temple, Lothian on the South Esk (River Esk, Lothian). In 1189 Alan FitzWalter, the 2nd Lord High Steward of Scotland was a benefactor of The Order.

[link to www.answers.com]
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you talked about the priory:

"According to Baron de Westerode, the founder of the Rosicrucians was one Ormesius, who had been converted by St. Mark, at Alexandria, in A.D. 46. He purified the Egyptian Rites, and reconciled them with Christianity, carrying his disciples with him, and founded the Society of ORMUS, or of the Light, each member wearing a RED CROSS. To this society the Essenes and Therapeutae joined themselves, and conserved the Masonic Secrets." (Antiquities of the Illuminati, Part 3: 636)

The Society of Ormus would eventually relocate to Italy and, in 1070 A.D., move to territory in France owned by Godfroi de Bouillon, the first Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion. There Ormus changed its name to the "Ordre de Sion" and the monks were given a tract of land owned by one Bernard of Clairvaux. St. Bernard, who was the founder of the Cistercian Order of monks, also wrote of the Rule of the Templars. According to Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Society of Ormus, which became the Ordre de Sion, then became the Prieuré de Sion
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Re: Knights Templar's
could the relation between the templars and the masons go back even further than the exhistace of the templars. who said the templars did not adopt ideas from past groups or evolve from an older order. even though we know that the original nine knights created the Knights Templar, who says at least one of these men were not masonic, or belong to the priory or even the light.
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could the relation between the Templar's and the masons go back even further than the existence of the Templar's. who said the Templar's did not adopt ideas from past groups or evolve from an older order. even though we know that the original nine knights created the Knights Templar, who says at least one of these men were not masonic, or belong to the priory or even the light.
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Jagerman, it is my theory that the Templar's came into existence with the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon. During this time the masons who where working on rebuilding the Temple were attacked and killed, where upon the King / Caliph issued a mandate that required that all mason's build with one hand and hold a sword in the other. These Masons became know as the Knights of the Sword and I believe were the first Knight's Templar's. So according to my theory the "Templar's" are almost a 2,000 year old organization that I feel exists to this day.
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