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Anonymous Coward User ID: 106140 United States 07/03/2006 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation. Quoting: Highlander_The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with. Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite. After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite. The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity. This |
The Dame Tamer User ID: 106140 United States 07/03/2006 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 106140The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with. Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite. After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite. The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity. This continued from previous post: is unique in freemasonry, because in no other appendent masonic body does one profess belief in a particular religion. Originally held over a Period of months, the York rite degrees can be conferred in a weekend. |
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Rev. Star Gazer User ID: 51415 United States 07/03/2006 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you can't fake this or be awarded or given 'paperwork' by organizations Quoting: the mark of cain 67789some thirty percent of children are born with a strawberry mark (that fades) on their nose, forehead, eyelids etc only ten percent of infants have one on the back of their neck, and these are less likely to fade over time and can be hidden by hair cover [link to www.peak.org] now either you have this in your dna or you do not sorry to say I have nobody in my immediate family that has this trait but I have distant paternal kinfolk that do via their maternal bloodline, no relation to me. folklore suggests this is a mark that was born by those of benjamite origins. the poetical passage in the blessing of Moses: "Of Benjamin he said, The beloved of Yahweh shall dwell in safety by him; he covereth him all the day long, and he dwelleth between his shoulders" (Deuteronomy 33:12). The "shoulders" refer here to the mountain saddles and proclivities of the territory of Benjamin between which Jerusalem, the beloved of Yahweh, which belonged to Judah, lay nestling close upon the confines of the neighboring tribe, or even built in part on ground belonging to Benjamin. ( it also has context as the mark of cain, and the red 'cross' birthmark said to be common amongst those of merovingian descent, later templars ) Interesting! Definitely have that in my family. "The lunatic is on the grass The lunatic is on the grass Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs Got to keep the loonies on the path..." |
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THEO TWAWKI User ID: 110765 United States 07/03/2006 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Highlander is a liar. Knights Templar are pure and absolute York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian handlers. Read their own literature. You must be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite. ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning STUMP BUDDIES. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76412 United States 07/03/2006 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | found pictures here [link to photos.yahoo.com] btw you can be invited or you can request to become a member and then the screening process begins |
GOOD JOB User ID: 107588 China 07/03/2006 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Highlander is a liar. Quoting: THEO TWAWKIKnights Templar are pure and absolute York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian handlers. Read their own literature. You must be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite. ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning STUMP BUDDIES. Nope allso in the Scottish rite, and btw it is even diferent per country. And even alot of degrees aren't even worked in. You have Knights Templar degrees in both. BUt it is pure metaphoric and has nothing to do with the real Knights Templar. Altough the later Masons got their knowledge of esoteric practices of the East from the Templars and they went to blend in with the Masons of Scotland after their betrayel. They went to fight the English King alongside the King of Scotland. And later on they merged with the Mason Guilds (not Freemason) as I allready said. And from their knowledge all Cathedrals in Europe were build, and a lot of secret sociaties (cause saying the earth is round would have got you killed ;-) were set up by diferent people all over the continent. And the Rothschild put them all back together late 1700's That's wen the new rules for freemasonry were set up. And the US become a independant nation. ........................ -GOOD JOB |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Knight Templar's are affiliated with the Freemasons in the Scottish Rite branch as Knight Templar's. All other affiliations are purely speculation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 106140The two Knight Templar organizations located in the UK and Switzerland are Knight Templar organizations of their own standing with no known affiliation with the Knight Templar's of the Masons Scottish Rites. According to the historian I have been in contact with. Actually, a masonic Knight's Templar is the cumulation of the degrees of 'York Rite' freemasonry, not Scottish rite. After receiving the 3rd degree,master mason, which is the 'highest' degree in masonry; one may petition to join either York or Scottish rite. The York rite could be considered 'Christian' freemasonry because in the Knight's templar degree the initiate takes an oath to protect and serve Jesus Chirst and Chirstianity. This The 'York Rite' of Freemasonry The 'York Rite' is colloquially referred to by Masons sometimes as the 'American Rite'. The upper degrees are only open to "Christians" where ceremonies mocking Christian ones are perfromed including the consecration of the host, and the use of bread and wine. The Royal Arch is where the paleonoic masonic 'true ineffable name of god' - Jahbulon, is conveyed. In the Knights Templar Degree the human skull is placed on an open masonic "bible" upon an alter surrounded by lit candles. Several swords are pointed at the initiates throat and additional severe blood oaths are made to be uttered. The initiate then completes this "Christian" ceremony by drinking wine out of the skull in a "Holy Communion". The seperation of 'Appendent' Rites between Christian focused(targeted) and others is widespread in Masonry. Of equal note is the very interesting fact of this schematic of the 'York Rite' that shows that the Royal Arch is not at the pinnacle of this rite but rather somewhat further down the ladder. Above it we can see is the Masons 'Order of Malta' Degree - needless to say of absolutely no relation to the well known, and public, Catholic lay order of the same name. [link to freemasonrywatch.org] Go here and you will find the info you are seeking Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Highlander is a liar. Quoting: GOOD JOBKnights Templar are pure and absolute York Rite Freemasonry. They claim ostensible Christianity, but are merely involved in outer show and ritual. Inside, they are hierarchical masons and DO report to Scottish Rite and Palladian handlers. Read their own literature. You must be initiated as Master Mason (go through first 3 rites) of Scottish Rite to even be considered for Knights Templar and investiture to the York Rite. ALL Freemasons are either willing or unknowning STUMP BUDDIES. Nope allso in the Scottish rite, and btw it is even diferent per country. And even alot of degrees aren't even worked in. You have Knights Templar degrees in both. BUt it is pure metaphoric and has nothing to do with the real Knights Templar. Altough the later Masons got their knowledge of esoteric practices of the East from the Templars and they went to blend in with the Masons of Scotland after their betrayel. They went to fight the English King alongside the King of Scotland. And later on they merged with the Mason Guilds (not Freemason) as I allready said. And from their knowledge all Cathedrals in Europe were build, and a lot of secret sociaties (cause saying the earth is round would have got you killed ;-) were set up by diferent people all over the continent. And the Rothschild put them all back together late 1700's That's wen the new rules for freemasonry were set up. And the US become a independant nation. See my post below and you will find the truth Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really - I want to know - are the other Knight's Templar's fakes? Quoting: Rev. Star GazerRSG- There are many false organization proclaiming to be poor knights of Jerusalem such as the Gnostic Knights Templar's and even claiming affiliation to the Scottish Rites KT and of which the MTS categorically denies any affiliation, you have to search to find the truth but here is some help; 1.The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem [link to www.osmth.org] 2. MTS Militi Templi Scotia, a Scottish based Templar order, which is non-Masonic in nature. [link to www.skt.org.uk] 3. Or even the Masons at the correct level of membership Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
GOOD JOB User ID: 107588 China 07/03/2006 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See my post below and you will find the truth Quoting: Highlander_Depends on wich truth. And there are many diferences between lodges, I am a member of "Groot Nederland" that's the oldest in Holland. And I would say climb the ladder and then the "truth" will be revealed, although 99% of al Masons in the world do not have a clue of what has happend and what is going on, who is in control and so on. ........................ -GOOD JOB |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all just another branch of witchcraft. Quoting: 19.47™People who say that know nothing of the honor and duties imposed upon Knight Templar's and they do so out of a sense of helping others less fortunate. The is no witchcraft in the ranks of the Knights Templar it was only made up charges by the King of France and his lackey the Pope. Go to this site and read for yourself. [link to www.templarhistory.com] Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
GOOD JOB User ID: 107588 China 07/03/2006 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you where invited to join the Knights Templar organization, that has no affiliation with the Masons would you do so? Quoting: Highlander_[link to www.osmth.org] I would say just join them. It will help you along your path that you are walking on. BUt don't take everything for granted. ........................ -GOOD JOB |
Highlander's Lass User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Highlander is a liar. Quoting: THEO TWAWKIHey, you are bearing false witness against my Highlander! A liar is someone who knows something to be untrue and puts it forth to be a truth. I can assure you that my Highlander would do no such thing intentionally. He may sometimes be overly confident, strong willed and even bullheaded but those things can be an asset when fighting your way through those that try to hide the truth through deception and lies. If he discovers that he has been mislead by any of those lies and has put forth misleading info based on that, he will apologize and correct it. I can assure you that he is doing his best in seeking and uncovering the truth. Obviously some truths have been buried for a long time and are buried very deep. If all truths were sitting out in the open, don't you think we'd all have seen them plain as day years ago? Uncovering the mysteries of life is a process that not only takes diligence but also a big swig of patience and understanding. Here, have a swig on me! |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD HIMSELF MARKS HIS OWN IN THE WOMB, WRITTEN INTO THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE Quoting: ON THE ANGELUS 67789YOU CANNOT 'UNMARK' THEM LADS NOR CAN YOU BLEMISH STAINLESS STEEL IT RUBS RIGHT OFF AND FURTHERMORE, YOU CANNOT PRETEND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BLOODLINE EITHER YORK RITE IS GAD/ST.CLAIR/SINCLAIR WHO FLED TO THE OUTER REACHES OF THE HIGHLANDS DURING PERSECUTION SWISS IS REUBEN/MEROVINGIAN WHO FLED TO THE ALPS DURING PERSECUTION ALL ARE THE ROOT OF JESSE AND UNTIL WE 'UNITE THE CLANS' AND FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SQUABBLE OVER WHO FORFEITED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT AND AS WE KNOW AS FORETOLD LONG AGO, IT WAS REUBEN SO IN DEFERRING TO THE LEADERSHIP OF SCOTA/GAD INSTEAD OF GAUL/REUBEN, ONE WOULD HOPE THAT THE TRIBE OF GAD WOULD ACT LIKE THE LEADERS THAT GOD WANTS AND START LEADING AND STOP PERSECUTING OTHERWISE YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN POPES YOURSELVES I'm sorry, but you lost me on this post, please explain...But so you know we are of the House of Dan Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41914 United States 07/03/2006 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look into the Templars and all the fun they got into a slew of financial schemes including banking that is a really interesting story, you havent really looked unless you follow the yellow brick road Elitist-German-Jews....hmm what are the last names of the royalty of england..hmmm |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look into the Templar's and all the fun they got into a slew of financial schemes including banking that is a really interesting story, you haven't really looked unless you follow the yellow brick road Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41914Elitist-German-Jews....hmm what are the last names of the royalty of england..hmmm The connection with the Templar's and banking has always been there, after all they are the ones that basically inventing the banking system we all know and love today...:) Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
The Dame Tamer User ID: 105835 United States 07/03/2006 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Highlander_ Your are reiterating half-truths from a website with an obvious agenda. I am speaking from my experience as a Masonic Knights Templar and as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason. If you want to know the 'truth' about York Rite Freemasonry, why not join and see for yourself? |
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Highlanders' Lass User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD HIMSELF MARKS HIS OWN IN THE WOMB, WRITTEN INTO THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE Quoting: ON THE ANGELUS 67789YOU CANNOT 'UNMARK' THEM LADS NOR CAN YOU BLEMISH STAINLESS STEEL IT RUBS RIGHT OFF AND FURTHERMORE, YOU CANNOT PRETEND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BLOODLINE EITHER...> ANGELUS, maybe you could help me out in understanding this DNA/bloodline issue. As a follower of Jesus, I have come to the understanding that God can call out any and all who are 'his', no matter what tribe they may have descended from. Jesus teaches that any spirit who wishes to find their way back to God may be 'nurtured' through his 'way' and be reformed. To me, the DNA/bloodline is a 'nature' thing, implying a predetermined cast in stone thing and that runs counter to the Jesus 'nurture' way. This nature vs nurture point has been an interesting and fun joust in a number of aspects of our life together. I see that Jesus' way is sufficient and I also understand God is greater than he so there might be something I'm missing in the DNA/bloodline aspect. I do see how that has been an important thing for God in the past but I'm not seeing how it fits into the future. I look forward to any insight you can give in this regard! TY |
The Dame Tamer User ID: 105835 United States 07/03/2006 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really - I want to know - are the other Knight's Templars fakes? Quoting: Rev. Star GazerMy opinion is that they are all "fakes". There was a gap of several hundred years between Jacque DeMolay and modern Templarism - with no evidence of being linked to the Templars of old. Modern Templarism, including the Masonic Knights Templar, are shadows of the old order of the temple. We are talking about a modern philosophy based on historical Templar values verses a true medival era politcal, religious, financial and military order. It is possible that some of the modern Templars are reincarnated Templars of old, however. |
Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 03:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to freemasonrywatch.org] Go here and you will find the info you are seeking Your are reiterating half-truths from a website with an obvious agenda. I am speaking from my experience as a Masonic Knights Templar and as a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason. If you want to know the 'truth' about York Rite Freemasonry, why not join and see for yourself? Dame Tamer, I am having a difficult time figuring out how a women could claim to be a Knight Templar of the Masons when women are not permitted in the Mason society, women can belong to the Order of the Eastern Star. [link to www.masonicinfo.com] Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
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Highlander_ (OP) User ID: 100661 United States 07/03/2006 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK, so how does one become a templar? and how would one serve the order? Quoting: A Scotish Gent 112311Go to one of these sites and download the membership information and it will explain everything to you... The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem [link to www.osmth.org] 2. MTS Militi Templi Scotia, a Scottish based Templar order, which is non-Masonic in nature. [link to www.skt.org.uk] Memor Miles Militis Templar, pro quos nos pugna! Non Nobis Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomine Tuo Da Gloriam! Dante said, ‘The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis. [link to bornatemplar.blogspot.com] |
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