Knights Templar's

This has been a very fascinating thread - thank you!

BTW knights Templar allso Hail to Hiram Abif??
We even got a lodge named HIram Abif here in Holland.
You know who he was? (not to offend you in anyway)

I was in the Real Knights Templar, but was head hunted by the Continuity Knights Templar, who were having better adventures at the time. However, I've just had some contact from the "I can't believe it's not the Knights Templar" and I'm checking them out. I'll let you know how I get on.

Hiram was the leader of the "craft" and was killed by three of his apprentises for not revealing to them his trade secrets, he was killed with the tools of the trade. When the Masons formed they used the three tools as the symbol.

Please do, I have never heard of these organizations you mentioned...

1315 : Duke Leopold I of Austria gathered an army of knights (I've heard up to 5,000) to take control of St. Gotthard Pass and were ambushed by peasants, who had up until that time just unhappy masses. When Leopold's knights arrived they were ambushed by farmers that were suddenly not only trained and organised, but winning. And win they did. The question is : who organised and trained them? The Order of the Templar Knights had been officially disbanded for three years and many had crossed into the Alps and seemingly vanished.

As to the KT founding Switzerland... that's up for debate. But the Swiss are certainly secretive enough and financially motivated enough to qualify for the Order.

this is about his works,
thought you might like it.

958 BC

When the structure was nearing completion, Solomon invited a skilled foundryman from Tyre to embellish the Temple with gold, silver and bronze metal-work. (22). Although he was called Hiram, ostensibly of the tribe of Naphtali, Freemasons have, over the last three centuries, come to know him as Hiram Abif. However, nowhere in the Old Testament does this name appear in this form. The origin of 'Abif' itself is unknown and about which there is still much speculation. A widely accepted view is that 'Hiram Abif' could be a translating corruption of the Hebrew 'Huram abi', namely 'the son of Huram'. At all events, he was never an architect, nor was he ever involved in the actual construction of the Temple, as has been commonly believed. On the other hand, the genius that he displayed in the scale and beauty of his craftsmanship, earned him a special relationship with Solomon.

Using the great clay pits at Succoth on the east side of the Jordan Valley, 60 miles (100 km) northeast of Jerusalem, Hiram cast two great hollow pillars in bronze (each 25 feet (8 m) high and six feet (2 m) in diameter) and adorned them with capitals in the shape of huge bowls seven feet (2 m) deep, ornately decorated, and each rimmed with two rows of 100 pomegranates. These columns were erected and stood alone on either side in front of the vestibule at the east end of the Temple. Hiram named them 'Boaz' on the right (north) and 'Yachin' on the left (south), as viewed from outside the entrance.

He then cast a bronze circular cistern 15 feet (4.5 m) in diameter and with sides three inches (7.5 cm) thick, capable of holding 10,000 gallons (37,800 litres) of water, which he mounted upon twelve life-size bronze bulls. The whole structure was assembled opposite the Southeast corner of the Temple, and referred to as the 'Molten Sea' or 'Laver' (23). Its purpose was to provide the priests with ample water, obtained initially from the deep and large underground cisterns which had been recently excavated to supply the future citadel. Some of these cisterns still exist. Although two streams ran down either side of Mount Moriah, it was the larger one in the Kidron Valley, and which was augmented by water from the Gihon Spring, that provided the main supply to the cisterns by means of a series of tunnels and siphons.

Hiram then went on to erect a huge sacrificial altar in bronze, measuring 30 feet (9 m) square at the base and tiered to a height of 15 feet (4.5 m). Ten very large wheeled basins, together with numerous bronze lamp stands, sacrificial implements, and chariots were added. All this metal-work was heavily embellished with decorative embossing. Added to which, Hiram created an altar in gold for the Holy of Holies, as well as all plating, ornaments, lamps, jars, etc.; each beautifully worked in solid gold and silver. But above all, the surfaces of the whole edifice, both inside the Temple and outside, were clad with gold sheeting so that no part of the basic structure was evident.

There is no known record of the vast quantities of gold, silver, bronze and precious stones that were used (24), although rough calculations have suggested that about 20 tons of gold (20.4 tonnes) alone were utilised. At all events, it must have presented a stunning spectacle that would have been visible for miles around.

And here a little bit more from a masonic viewpoint :
[link to www.bessel.org]

Thanks for the info "good job" it was interesting to read...

Something else to think about if the Templar's where disbanded in 1307 then how in 1492 and beyond did they finance Columbus on his trip to the West Indies,his ships all flew the Templar cross on the sails also why do the pirates of old fly the jolly roger which being the skull and bones symbol of the Templar's?

Hello EveryOne,

The Knights Templar that were in France, that left in 1307, went to,

Scotland merged with Masons, Portugal, Germany-merged with Tuetonic Knights and Masons, Switerland, Tunisia, and last but not least United States.

Sinclair/St.Clair/family was Nordic/Mason/Templar/Tuetonic. Old man Sinclair was Mason before Crusades, and Tuetonic Knight, son was Templar.

Masons are old.

Built the Pryamids.

Etc.Etc.Etc.

Hitler killed alot of "Real" Tuetonic Knights and Templar in Germany, as well as the Masons. Stole symbols, played knight, had painting of hisssself as Tuetonic Knight.

Most play Knights.

Not all though.

Oh by the way on the freemason watch.org thingy.

There used to be a templewatch.org thingy.

It was a piece of work, sure alot of you saw it. It had the templars going to the holy land to plant a bunch of scrolls to be dug up nowadays an then spooky things happen. blah blah blah

It was to happen by year 2000.

And a lot of other things too.

Like a lot of things, (this forum)
it never happened. None of it.

the website was still up in 2001/02.

funny read then.

Actually 30th degree is KT in Scotrite.

One in Yorkrite as well which only has "three degrees"

At 33rd you turn into a big spook monster and start gobbling up kids.

Wake Up, Get Real, Good Lord

You guys are really behind the "Power Curve" here on the Knights Templar.

It is like you are down in a hole.

Stuck in the mud, spinning your tires, and throwing mud on everyone trying to help you get out.

There are alot of good natured folks on here who would fight and die for a just cause and would make most excellent Knights. Your Heart is really in the right place, you just need to get your target correct.

Now most people are waking up to the fact that the Masons are NOT the bad guys, though there is indeed a faction that would just love for you to believe that crap.

Highlander,

I'm a low lander son meself. but anyway, you are on the right track. Finding the "real" Knights Templar.

Look for fighting.

Robert the Bruce

Peasant Revolt

Revolutionary War

War of 1812

Pirates

Stuff like that.

below land err no penis
nevermind

all this talk of knights and no talk of courtly love
what's IT ALL ABOUT ALF E???

Below Land

err

whoa, hey we had to fight off the English while ...... nevermind.

that clooney flick was too slow

What George Clooney flick are you talking about that has to do with the Knight Templar's?

Your real name wouldn't happen to be Darren would it?

Are you sure there are no stories of Women that were knights? Legends maybe?

Like a Joan D'Arc kind of thing...or perhaps a Queen or two?

I am looking for this info if anyone has some I would appreciate it.

I would only join in order to investigate seen that I once joined the Rosicross movement and got stuck in there for 13 years.

In the end it is all about power and money.
The truth we seek is within!

Shared a few adventures with Joan.
Those were the days! We were dead serious about the whole thing.

Power is not

In the hand

That holds the Sword.

Its Strength resides

In the "S"-poken "Word".

Joan of Ark,
Had a Heart,
But she gave it
As a Gift.....

FYI Lindy Boggs is a member of The Knights of St. Lazarus. Think this happened while she was ambassador to the vatican. She was a Claiborne before marrying Hale Boggs, the congressman on the Warren Commission whose plane disappeared over Alaska. The Claiborne's were one of the first families of Louisiana. First governor, local royalty, so to speak. I think Hale married UP, if you know what I mean.

Where does the Vatican stand? In my research of the Knight Templar's I decided to explore the on line service of the "secret Vatican archives" after doing a search for the Knight Templar's all that came up was the results of the persecution by King Phillip of France and the Vatican's "small" role in the disbandment. In the only document that was available on line it said that the church was only seeking the KT's disbanding and wanted them to renounce their declarations and if they did this the church would welcome them back into the fold, it also states how they (the Vatican) was not in any way responsible for the burning of de Moley the church was against this. Another interesting fact was that the church supported every military order. Orders such as the Knight Templar's, Knights of Malta, Teutonic Knights and many others, however the single most intriguing order they supported then and now is the Knights of Christ. This order was founded during the building of Solomons Temple and the reason for it was the killing of the Masons working on the temple, the King ordered that all Masons would from that time on work with their tools of their craft in one hand and a sword in the other and from their this decree became an order called the Knights of Christ. So the question begs if the Church is so against the Masons why to this day do they still support them and why did the Pope issues so many papal bulls forming the many different military orders in a very short time line? Which to me shows that the Masons did not start the Knight Templars since they all ready had the Knights of Christ...

, The women of the Knight Templar's are known as "Dames" and participate the same as the men in the Brotherhood of today.

As for Joan of Arc, it is recorded she wore
the tunic of a Knight Templar but it is certain she was at least involved with them as her champion was definitely a Templar and so where his ontourage...

It is also reported that Queen Isabella of Spain using funds from the Knight Templar's supported Columbus's efforts to discover the new world with them and as fore mentioned Columbus sailed under Templar sails

first ya` gotta show some pluck


[link to www.english-heritage.org.uk]

Thanks for this link, even though it is English, it is still interesting

It is interesting that the Order of Lazarus utilizes the 8 pointed cross just like the cross of Amalfi except it is green instead of red like the Knights Of Malta order.

"It is also reported that Queen Isabella of Spain using funds from the Knight Templar's supported Columbus's efforts to discover the new world with them and as fore mentioned Columbus sailed under Templar sails"

they also documented seeing UFO's during the journey, the aliens liked the design and so now there is knight templars throughout the universe.