Knights Templar's

Ah Shakespear.

Banks

The Conquest of New Spain, a great and tragic history, begins in April of 1519 when a Cortes lands in Veracruz, about 200 miles from the Aztec capital. Cortes had a singular mission: defeat the Aztecs and take their gold. To do so, he had less than 400 soldiers, 16 horses, 14 pieces of artillery, 11 ships, plenty of guns and ammunition, and cajones. His first act upon landing was to burn all but one of his ships - he wanted no turning back. That he was able to defeat an empire with just a few hundred men seems nothing short of miraculous, but some of el conquistador's success, however, can be attributed to plain and simple luck.

According to an Aztec myth, the white-faced Quetzacuatl - their most important god - had long ago fled to the east, but would one day return. When the Aztec ruler, Moctezuma II, beheld Cortes and his light-skinned men upon their arrival in Tenochtitlan, he believed them to be emissaries of the great Quetzacuatl himself. The opportunistic Cortes, coached by Malinche - a Spanish-speaking Indian who had become his lover back at the coast - did not attempt to correct him. Cortes returned the emperor's hospitality by taking him hostage. A compliant Moctezuma ordered his people to stand down, and by the time the Aztecs began to resist Cortes had already brought in reinforcements from the coast. The Aztecs disowned their cooperative, captive emperor, who died a prisoner in his own palace. When the Aztecs finally laid siege to the palace, Cortes and his men snuck away in the middle of the night and ran for the coast. On the way, over half his force was killed by the pursuing army, but the survivors returned with thousands of Indian allies to conquer the city a year later.

[link to www.geographia.com]

So who were these white faced men

who were supposed to come back?

That were not the spanish.

That fooled ol montezuma.

Bad mistake.

Did they have Templar Crosses on

their sails?

Like the Pope has on his robe.

Whoops.

You found the counterfeiters.

Should of ran.

You told them about the gold

now didn't you.

It wasn't enough was it.

I was , in a SCOTTISH RIGHT TEMPLE !! ST.LOIUS,MO.

Why did you quit?

You do not quit you move on .

Then why did you "move on" or where you just visiting Sl and decided to stop in for a visit...

Greetings to You
From The lady of the Lake
The S-word if for One to take
The S-Word shall set All Free
Hold you Heart to you Head
Shine Thy Light Upon The Diamant

allright you guys, you have been at this for a while. i got bored and thought about joining the knights templar, but i wanted to find the oldest one. i type in the search and find this thread on google. i read all of the stuff, from page one to now. all i can assume is that you are all really bored. all except Highlander, who shows a real interest in the knights templar, and that zadok dude, i think you are just an insane old guy who knows alot of random bits that can be assembled in an incoherent rant. but on the whole you guys have been a great help and i figure the only way to go is to go to Switzerland or Scottland and find the oldest priories in the area and try to get invited in or however the hell that works. but to do that ( me being an 18 yearold in the heartlands of the USA) you would have to up root your life to join an old decrepit brotherhood or frat or whatever you feel like calling it. if you feel like trading your entire life for an adventure in the alps or the highlands, well go you. i would probably be right there with you. but it becomes more apparent that it does not matter how old each seperate prior or sect is. all that matters is that the ideals and goals and actions remain true to the original crew's. which seems to be a blind true passion at the lowest level of enlistment, but nothing more than a real money scam. only something like 3% of the KT were field troops in the middle east. the rest were bankers and so on. and dont think, that as soon as the crusades were over the last grandmaster was not pleading to kings for another crusade. because without it there was no reason to maintain their operations other than greedy financial gain. the whole set up of the banks and the land and all of that was to support the troops in the field. so when there is no field to support, you struggle to maintain a reason. if the original group only lasted 200 years, and the "new order" has lasted almost 300 years, what is the rush to try and join an inferior instalation? obviously the "new order" of templars plays a more effective role than the now defunct "first order" could have ever played. and as far as i am concerned with the swiss and the templars, it is more than obvious that the Templars played an omniportant role in the creation in the nation. what business do a bunch of swiss pesants have overthrowing their kings? it is obvious that the templars need a place to crash that was safe. they had one last harrah on the field of battle and trained a bunch of peasants to be warriors just good enough to support the knights templar in their cause. afterwars they pursued only the maintanance of their borders and banking. just look at the damned swiss flag. Switzerland should just be renamed "The last true stronghold of the Poor Temple Knights". But other than all of that. Hell yeah i would join up. what are the benefits?

The banking syten,eh? Reason enough to tell them to

If I knew what the knights templar had evolved into, how exactly what they do today-- and found myself aligned with those tasks/goals.. I would join. Even if i didnt agree with exactly everything, i think you would have to be a fool to not join such an elite and legendary organization. A life that very few will ever have the chance to live. But-- if there is no sex, i will have to pass.

why do you knock the banking system so much fool? what did they ever do to you?

and that zadok dude, i think you are just an insane old guy who knows alot of random bits that can be assembled in an incoherent rant.


Not that old actually.

Do the mental more than the physical.

Now.

Sorry if this is incoherent to you.

If you understood more it would not be.

Part of this is to find one that can

talk the talk.

But understand David

Has left the board.

Left "THE GAME".

You don't get a chance to "join" the

Knights Templar.

You get "drafted" so to speak.

the leader was called ‘The Teacher of Righteousness’ who made a ‘New Testament’ for the ‘Sons of Zadok’ in the ‘Land of Damascus.’ An interesting aspect of the Scrolls is their use of code-names. Almost nothing is called simply by a recognisable name, and this has led some scholars to assume that the term ‘Sons of Zadok’ is a symbolic sobriquet for righteous fanatics. In fact I believe it to be a literal designation of the bloodline of Zadok, the senior members of the House of Zadok. The ‘New Testament,’ or ‘New Covenant,’ was made because the Teacher believed that the original Covenant had been defiled by the actions of the false high priest and his complaisant acolytes. The ‘Land of Damascus’ is the location to where the Sons of Zadok exiled themselves, but scholars are not all agreed as to where it was. There is an evident terror in some quarters that the location may have been Qumran, and this has led to some desperate scholarly trench-digging, setting up a line of defence against such a dangerous proposition.

[link to www.christianorigins.com]


Hello? David?

"They ate and drank with great joy in the presence of the LORD that day. Then they acknowledged Solomon son of David as king a second time, anointing him before the LORD to be ruler and Zadok to be priest." 1 Chronicles 29:22, NIV.

more bible quotes. hee hee

The Persians freed the Jews from Babylonian captivity, only to assume the role of overlords themselves. Many Jews stayed in Babylon where life seemed preferable, but those who returned from the alleged miseries of exile were conspicuously wealthy [1] – an important factor in the reconstruction of the temple.

After the exile there was no king – only the high priest, a blood descendant of Zadok. For a significant part of the second temple era the House of Zadok supplied high priests who were in effect kings. It also supplied the higher priesthood, those priests with specific duties within the temple. This continued into the era of Macedonian conquest of the area, when Judaea became a vassal state, subject to whichever was the stronger of the two Macedonian kingdoms of Egypt and Syria. These difficult times made Jews nostalgic for the glorious days of David, and the idea of the restoration of a Davidic king, a ‘Messiah,’ took hold.

We can be certain that those belonging to the House of Zadok were numerous and were the most powerful Jewish institution. High priests had to be physically perfect; a limp or a squint could disqualify, so fecundity was required. Large families assured the succession, protecting against infant mortality and death from disease, war and murder. Redundant male offspring naturally had families too, so the death of a high priest who had no son, or whose sons were too young, allowed the closest male relative to assume the sacred role. The system worked; there was an unbroken line of Zadokites ruling the people for several centuries.

[link to www.christianorigins.com]

Roots of the Templars
A Chronology of Events
". . . However, in response to the fanatical uprising of Zealot nationalism, the Romans systematically eliminated militant nationalistic groups, such as the Zealots, from Jerusalem and surrounding strongholds. Josephus records that over 1,350,000 people died at this time. The resilient Zaddoki and Essene cultures survived in Damascus, Alexandria and in other regions of the Diaspora.
After 200BCE, the Jewish Diaspora accelerated with the decline of Hellenistic Egypt and Syria. Jews migrated to Italy and to Spain via North Africa. One of the far-flung lands of the dispersion was Gaul. In about 12CE the Romans exiled the brother of Herod Antipas, Archelaus, Tetrarch of Galilee and Perea. He settled in the Jewish district at Vienne, near Lyons, in France. Some twenty-eight years later Herod Antipas joined him in exile as punishment for beheading John the Baptist. Jewish migration continued to Lyon, Arles and Bordeaux, culminating between five hundred CE and six hundred CE with a mass Diaspora movement to Marseilles and Barcelona.

The Zaddoki-Melchizedek line enjoyed great prominence in the Diaspora of Gaul, especially with the Merovingian Frank Kings who defeated the Visigoths at Vouillé, near Aquitaine, in 510CE. The Visigoth territories in Gascony, Languedoc and Provence and in Northern Spain provided fertile ground for both Zadok-Melchizedek and Rabbinical-Cabbalistic streams of Judaism.

The Merovingians buried their last ruler, Dagobert II in a cape studded with golden honey bees. Napoleon removed the honeybees from Dagobert's tomb and placed them on his own coronation cape.
Displaying the same independence from Papal authority that characterized the Merovingians, Napoleon lifted the crown from the Bishop's hands and placed it upon his own head.
Merovingian claims of Davidic succession were an anathema to the Church. In 751CE, Pepin III the Short deposed the Merovingian King Childeric III with Papal support. He thereby established the Carolingian dynasty. Eight years later Pepin III himself faced military defeat at the hands of the Islamic Saracens at Narbonne.

On his father's side, Godefroi descended from the Merovingians and on that of his mother and grandmother, the Carolingian. His Carolingian grandparents bequeathed Godefroi the title of Duke of Lower Lorraine. Storming the wall of Jerusalem on 15 July 1099, Godefroi de Bouillon was to shout the famous phrase expressing the Zaddoki belief that they were the only legitimate High Priests of Jerusalem, Deus Meumque Jus, meaning God and my Right.

The Church had thought it was welcoming the troublesome Zaddoki-Melchizedek houses of France into the fold of Pauline Christianity, just as the Celtic Church successfully enjoined in 625CE. Instead, it had drawn fundamentalist, unshakeable heresy to its bosom. The Melchizedek houses of France regarded the unusual treasure beneath the Temple as their personal property. They set about recovering it for their own purposes, as we shall see."


Knights

Templar

got

Junk.

{what I said}

House of Levi

touch the Arc.

No one else.

That's the deal.

The Siege and Capture of Antioch

OCTOBER, 1097-JULY, 1098

The Syrian city of Antioch almost proved the undoing of the undoing of the Crusade. After having struggled through Asia Minor, the Latins became bogged down in protracted siege of the City. Once the had captured it, they faced serious Muslim resistance from Kerbogha, atabeg of Mosul. The "finding" of the Holy Lance [which had pierced the side of Christ, in June 1098 led to a revival of morale. Even after Kerbogha was repulsed, it took until November 1098 before the final push for Jerusalem could be made.



10. Version of Raymond d'Aguiliers

"At the first earthquake which occurred at Antioch when the army of the Franks was besieging it, such fear assailed me that I could say nothing except 'God help me.' For it was night, and I was lying down; nor was there anyone else in my hut to sustain me by his presence. When, moreover, the shaking of the earth had lasted a long time, and my fear had ever increased, two men stood before me in the brightest raiment. The one was older, with red and white hair, black eyes, and kindly face, his beard, indeed, white, wide, and thick, and his stature medium; the other was younger and taller, handsome in form beyond the children of men. And the older said to me 'What doest thou?' and I was very greatly frightened because I knew that there was no one present. And I answered, 'Who art thou?'

"He replied, 'Rise, and fear not; and heed what I say to thee. I am Andrew the Apostle. Bring together the Bishop of Puy and the Count of St. Gilles and Peter Raymond of Hautpoul, and say these words to them: "Why has the Bishop neglected to preach and admonish and daily to sign his people with the cross which he bears before them, for it would profit them much?"' And be added, 'Come and I will show thee the Lance of our father, Jesus Christ, which thou shalt give to the Count. For God has granted it to him ever since he was born.'

"I arose, therefore, and followed him into the city, dressed in nothing except a shirt. And he led me into the church of the apostle of St. Peter through the north gate, before which the Saracens had built a mosque. In the church, indeed, were two lamps, which there gave as much light as if the sun had illuminated it. And he said to me, 'Wait here.' And be commanded me to sit upon a column, which was closest to the stars by which one ascends to the altar from the south; but his companion stood at a distance before the altar steps. Then St. Andrew, going under ground, brought forth the Lance and gave it into my hands.

"And he said to me 'Behold the Lance which opened His side, whence the salvation of the whole world has come.'

"While I held it in my bands, weeping for joy, I said to him, 'Lord, if it is Thy will, I will take it and give it to the Count!'

"And be said to me 'Not now, for it will happen that the city will be taken. Then come with twelve men and seek it here whence I drew it forth and where I hide it,' And he hid it.

"Christians of what kind?"

"Christians who believe that Christ was born of a Virgin and suffered on the Cross, died, and was buried, and that He arose on the third day and ascended into heaven."

And that man said "And if they are Christians, why do they fear the multitude of pagans?" And he added, "Dost thou not know me?"

The priest replied I do not know thee, but I see that thou art most beautiful of all."

And the man said, "Look at me closely."

And when the priest intently scrutinized him, he saw a kind of cross much brighter than the sun proceeding from his head. And the priest said to the man who was questioning him, "Lord, we say that they are images of Jesus Christ which present a form like thine."

The Lord said to him, "Thou hast said well, since I am He. Is it not written of me that I am the Lord, strong and mighty in battle? And who is the Lord in the army?"

"Lord," replied the priest, There never was in the army but one Lord, for rather do they put trust in the Bishop."

And the Lord said, "Say this to the Bishop, that these people have put me afar from them by evil doing, and then let him speak to them as follows: 'The Lord says this: "Return to me, and I will return to you. And when they enter battle, let them say this 'Our enemy are assembled and glory in their own bravery; destroy their might, O Lord, and scatter them, so that they may know that there is no other who will fight for us except Thee, 0 Lord,' And say this also to them 'If ye do whatever I command you, even for five days, I will have mercy upon you!"'

The Defeat of Kerbogha

11. The Gesta Version

At length the Turks divided; one party went toward the sea and the rest halted there, expecting to enclose our men between them. As our men saw this, they did likewise. There a seventh line was formed from the lines of Duke Godfrey and the Count of Normandy, and its head was Reinald. They sent this (line) to meet the Turks, who were coming from the sea. The Turks, however, engaged them in battle and by shooting killed many of our men. Other squadrons, moreover, were drawn out from the river to the mountain, which was about two miles distant. The squadrons began to go forth from both sides and to surround our men on all sides, hurling, shooting, and wounding them. There came out from the mountains, also, countless armies with white horses, whose standards were all white. And so, when our leaders saw this army, they were entirely ignorant as to what it was, and who they were, until they recognized the aid of Christ, whose leaders were St. George, Mercurius, and Demetrius. This is to be believed, for many of our men saw it.

And when the lines had gone forth, the priests, with bare feet and garbed in their priestly vestments, stood on the walls of the city, calling upon God to defend His people, and through the victory of the Franks in this battle to afford a testimony hallowed by His blood. Moreover, as we were advancing from the bridge up to the mountain, we met with great difficulty because the enemy wanted to surround us. In the midst of this, the lines of the enemy fell upon us who were in the squadron of the Bishop, and though their forces were greater than ours, yet, through the protection of the Holy Lance which was there, they there wounded no one; neither did they hit any of us with arrows. I beheld these things of which I speak and I bore the Lance of the Lord there.

[link to www.fordham.edu]

[link to www.fordham.edu]

Easier read.

The Holy Lance

Several miracles, actually. On 10 June a poor peasant by the name of Peter Bartholomew, the servant of a member of Count Raymond's army, came before Raymond and Bishop Adhemar. He told of having received several visions over the preceding months from St. Andrew in which the saint told him that the Holy Lance—the spear that pierced Christ's side as he hung on the Cross—lay buried in St. Peter's Cathedral in Antioch. Raymond was convinced, but Adhemar was sceptical and there the matter sat.

But news of the vision spread, with everyone having his own opinion. That very evening, another Provençal, this one a priest, told of a vision he had had. Since he swore it was true, and as his reputation was good (Peter Bartholomew's was not), Adhemar believed him.

On 14 June, a meteor was seen to fall into the Turkish camp, a very good omen. On the 15th, a group that included Raymond of Toulouse, the historian Raymond of Aguilers, and Peter Bartholomew went to the cathedral and began to dig. The digging went on for hours, with various people taking turns. Count Raymond gave up and left. Then Peter Bartholomew jumped into the hole to take a hand. He very soon cried out that he had found the lance. Raymond of Aguilers says he himself touched the iron while it was still embedded in the ground.

Word of the discovery of the Lance spread rapidly and it was taken to Count Raymond. Bishop Adhemar still thought the man was a fake and refused to accept it, but so great was the rejoicing that he kept quiet.

The Christians were planning an attack anyway. They knew that there was serious dissension among various emirs in Kerbogha's camp, and in any case they could not stay much longer in Antioch for the army was starving. They set the date for 28 June.

The Crusaders carried the Holy Lance on a standard at the head of the army. When Kerbogha saw the Crusaders in full array, he tried to send out for a truce, but the Crusaders advanced anyway. The Turks tried their usual tactics, but the Crusaders kept on in good formation. As he feared, emirs began deserting Kerbogha on the field of battle. When Dukak of Damascus left, the entire army collapsed. For once, the Christians resisted the temptation to loot the enemy camp, but instead pressed the Turks hard, killing many. The battle ruined Kerbogha and saved the Crusade. As much as anything, the victory confirmed Peter Bartholomew's visions.

[link to crusades.boisestate.edu]

The Battle for Antioch (1097-98) according to Peter Tudebode

Peter Tudebode was a Poitevin priest who was part of the First Crusade, perhaps with forces of the count of Toulouse. He wrote his account, the Historia de Hieroslymitano Itinere, by at least 1111,


Then the Turks split their forces; one marched toward the sea while the other kept its position. By this move they hoped to trap our army between the two units. Upon observing the Turkish move, our forces formed a seventh line from the troops of Duke Godfrey and the Count of Normandy and made Count Rainardus commander of it. This unit moved against the Turkish contingents coming from the sea. The Turks then engaged them in battle and inflicted heavy casualties with arrows. Our other group drew up ranks between the river and the mountain, a distance of two miles. The second Turkish force began to advance from their position and to surround our men and to wound them by hurling missiles and shooting arrows.

In addition, a vast army riding white horses and flying white banners rode from the mountains. Our forces were, very, bewildered by the sight of this army until they realized that it was Christ's aid, just as the priest, Stephen, had predicted. The leaders of this heavenly host were Saint George, the Blessed Demetrius, and the Blessed Theodore.


[link to www.deremilitari.org]

so, you can regurgitate information like nobody's buisiness. try commenting on what i had to say. i want to hear your opinion. not what day someone found a holy relic, or when the jews married into the merovingian line. give me your thoughts, not what a webpage has as a documented "fact". and the incoherent ramblings i was talking about were messages like:

The Lady Knights Templar.

Want to know about them?

I know alot about

The Lady Knights Templar.

Want to know about their

sex life?

Yes you do.

don't lie to me.

You want to know.

I KNOW you do

what the hell? follow the thread. all of the stuff you have to say is highly interesting, but it has little or nothing to do with the templar knights. stuff like that just makes you look crazy.

SORRY!! 'Puter has a virus... mouse is dead.

I'll try this one more time...but sorry it will be all bunched up. Think about some of the things that Zadok said, especially his 'encrypted' poems ect... "put your Head to you Heart"....ever think about what a valentine REALLY looks like? It certainly doesn't resemble the organ in the body the pumps the blood to different parts of the body, as a matter of fact, only women have the type of heart that a valentine represents....They also get 'pierced' by a 'lance' or a s-word. Something I have always wondered about is when Adams side was pierced did they really mean the female side that was 'taken out of him?' Oh and remember the 'chaliace and the sword?' Of course there is also the 'light that shines in the darkness' The serpant in the garden really translates to "shining one". So I guess a candle could be a cover-up for a phallic symbol......Zadoc is right though...you get 'drafted' and it isn't just men.....Women have to go through the ininiation too...He will come like a thief in the night......

Dear Hunting Bunny,

Maybe I am alot older than you.

You have to understand we are talking

about Bloodlines here.

Do you know where babies come from?

Do you how they are made?

hee hee

That was my reaction to the stupidity

of the masses.

You see either the Knights Templar had

no sex and acted like monks

or they were drunken whore mongers.

Thats the way the stories run.

Saints or Demons, nothing in between.

So some want to believe they were

Saints.

Others make them out to be Demons.

Historical facts are that well, Baldwin

was married. His wife died during the

crusades. He flipped out, took 300

Knights I think it was, and basically

killed

everything that was in range.

Stuff like that.

But hey I'm not going to do a history

lesson here. I'm hitting the high

points that are not on the net, or in

a bunny book, and if you are up to

speed. you may get it. other wise you

will not.

But yes the Lance story is a sample of

what happens with the Junk.

Thank you for the information Zadok...as cryptic as it is.
I was given an "assignment" (free book deal) to learn what I could about the Templars.
I don't know about the assignment though, every corner I peak into is filled with darkness.
Very scary.
Many unsavory characters involved in all of this.
I think I am going to drop the project.

Doing a project on

The Knights Templar?

Don't envy you, without

some kind of help.

There is more crap out there

on the Knights Templar.

There is a way however, and it

involves common sense.

Use your brain.

They were on a mission.

Got gold, holy relics, bones.

Shepard's bones.

Part of my family is from Spain. Have an uncle that traces our family back to Templars (Several Masons in the family too.)
But, alas, I am conflicted as the other half of my blood is Native.
Looking into what one side of my family did to the other is not pleasant... you know?
But then again, in Cuba, some of us (natives)were allowed to join in order to practice the old ceremonies in peace. To share the "knowledge".

Again, thanks for the tips.

Everything I have had to say

Has to do with the Temple Knights.

You didn't get the Lady DI stuff.

Read it again.

The sigh is that she KNEW they were

gunning for her.

get it?

Hi AC,

The above post is not for you.

This one is.

From Spain. O.K.

Here is the deal.

There were Spanish Knights and Masons

both.

In Spain.

Fought the Moors.

All this stuff can never say

The Germans, or The French.

Always mixed in and gets people

mixed up.

gotch ya. i was quick to judge. your just so damn cryptic and the way you jump from subject matter to subject matter can be confusing. tell me this, do you know of any families that married OUT of the merovingian line and where they went to? i know of the saint-clairs, but who else? wasn't one of the templars duties to protect the decendents of christ? giving us the plot of the "da vinci" code i know, but in reality?

Jagerman, that duty remains to be seen. Many myths surround the Templar's and this is what I am trying to separate. Fact from myth and I really appreciate the links everyone is supplying it makes my research easier. Also if you look you will find that the original KT line is still in existance...