Knights Templar's

Our Order was never associated with the Freemasons and never will be associated with that fine organization in any direct way, we do allow our members to be Masons if they wish, but that is a personal choice.

When the Templar were attacked by Phillip the Fair in 1307 many Templar had already left France, many went to Spain, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Italy or back to outreamer or Cypress, so while the Templar organization may have been fractured it was not destroyed by a long shot. There is also another place they went and that place was the sea, yes some renegade Templars became pirates, but not all, they were reputed to have 18 sea worthy ships in 1307 and as time went by and with support of Spain King and also Portugal Templars I really think roamed the seas, including America, long before Columbus and after the Vikings in 1000AD.

As for the Di Vinci code and the bloodline of Christ via the Merovingian I really do not know, but I would like to believe in the possibility of Jesus's bloodline to still be in existance...

Hiya! I am doing some private research (for my Templar websites)regarding Godfrey de Bouillon and the Templar scroll translator, Rashi. Rashi was only one was a very high class Rabbi that hung out with the Templars. Can't give you an exact reference, but in the Copper Scrolls it gives the description of a papyrus (I think) copy of the copper scrolls. The location was found (by Allegro) but no scrolls. It is my belief the Templars beat him to it. Also,the nine years that 9 middle aged knights spent excavating under Solomons temple in Jerusalem brought up more scrolls - and a few bones.

One of the Templar Knights (St Ohmer)took several scrolls back home to what is now France - to have them copied by his uncle, a scholar named Lambert St Ohmer. Lambert St Ohmer amde a copy of a scroll called "Heavenly Jerusalem" got caught and was killed by his nephew. This scroll exists and is located at the University of Ghent. There are pictures of this scroll(s)on one of my sites - can't remember the addy but its something like; [link to groups.msn.com] or you can find the URL on Google; or you can email me at my user name, above.

Lemmie know if I can be of assistance!

Koastal Eddy
sapere ut servire

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2/26/2007 2:08 PM

Sorry about the tardy reply. I've been busy. No, not a member of the OSM, but I am Rosicrucian and a Kriya Yogi. I have, however, made an in-depth study of the Masons. I probably have as many of their books as you.

I have 2 Templar Sites from which I am gathering everything and building a huge site (500+ pages, 350+ subjects, etc.) I am always willing to speak with a Templar. My best email address is [email protected]

Best,
eddie

Gee Highlander...I thought this whole thread was about explaining the ordor....I belive that statement is very telling of you.

Bet you don't discuss MacAlpin's Treason either. Hypocrite.

You, like others on the net, are trying to bend history to fit your own theories, but it just doesn't fly.

the truth will set you free!!!!!!

As far as my sources check the Annals of Ulster and the Decleration of Arbroath...and

 [link to www.csen.org] 

DNA report for the Scythian burials...very interesting read. If you bother to perform any research on your own, you will find that the DNA from the tombs is not found in the area of the tombs. And that the people in the tombs were NOT related. Only the men were buried with children. The women were warriors.

 [link to www.csen.org] 

I do not explain the order I belong to, it is not about explaining untruths or out right lies about the Templar Knights our order is much simplier in that we will only let people know what we discover about the knights with proof not lies and inuendo also let me comment on something your post contained, you wrote that the first knights were several thousand years before christ, right? Well according to ours and others research the first people to carry the name "Templar Knights" (translated into english) were to be found in approx., 1450BC. That was just for your information, use it or don't it's up to you. If you need a reference to this simply look in the old testiment under exodus and what Moses call the tribe of Dan who built the Ark of the Covenent and the duty thet were charged with after they finished building it.

The only thing I know about Alpin is my families connection to his direct decendants line, I never studied about him to the extent I should have. I will look up what you wrote about him, thanks...

Highlander - YA ALLAH! . . . was one of the battle cries of the Templars. Strange, huh? Now, regarding an ooooold post and reply we made a year or to ago:

Hiya! I am doing some private research (for my Templar websites)regarding Godfrey de Bouillon and the Templar scroll translator, Rashi. Rashi was only one was a very high class Rabbi that hung out with the Templars. Lemmie know if I can be of assistance!

Koastal Eddy
sapere ut servire
Quoting: [email protected] 201441

Your Reply:
One problem here KE, Rashi was born in 1040 and died in 1105, 13 years before de Payens and St. Omer founded the Templar Knights in 1118, however if you are of the same opinion that I am that the Templar's were formed long before the 1118 date then it is possible that Rashi did "hang" around with them. Also Lambert St.Omer was born in 1000AD and died in 1063AD.

You must be referring to Lambert I St Omer.with whom I was speaking of. Lambert de St Omer a scholar from Ghent - NOT Lambert I St Omer, whom you have mentioned above. (I have been accused of lying regarding this issue and I am still not happy about it - Templar History - Dafoe's Site.) Lambert was given a copy of the original "Heavenly Jerusalem" to translate - told not to make any copies - he did - and he died by the hand of Godfroi de St Omer, his nephew. A copy of this document is located at the University of Ghent in Flanders

The originators of the Templars were mostly from Flanders, and were related by blood or marriage. Hint . . .and some were families of the (alledged) Bloodline.

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I am presently at work and I am repeating what I can remember about this legend. I do not have the references here. I can, however, present them. If you are interested send me a note at my email [email protected] and I will give you an address where you can see them. There is not only one particular reference - there are about 50 of them.

I have been researching this legend for 11 years - with a break of 3 years in the middle. Now that there is new material available I have started a project trying to link all this together - I am convinced that it WAS linked. I believe Rashi and his Talmudic students were doing work for the Templars (before they were Templars - probably about 1096-98), translating several scrolls and documents brought back from Outremer early on. I believe one of these was a copy of the Copper Scroll, because they had a copy of the treasures locations. That only became available when "The Copper Scroll" itself was discovered. Evidence was found that the Templars made it to the locations cited in the Copper Scroll inventory,long before it was discovered.

No, I am not with OSM. I am, however, a Rosicrucian, etc. Just noticed your question (below re osmth). I thought you guys only took 3rd degree and up Masons?
Lemmie hear from you . . .
Eddie

A reason for there being so few Templars or Paladins?

Why Europe Has No Balls!
By: William Wong ND, PhD.




The men of Europe conquered and colonized most of the world, and while they are derided by some for the abuses colonization often created, many a “native” people would still be dancing naked round campfires and eating each other had it not been for European influence. (Although it must be pointed out that despite the Europeans best efforts in some places like the deep Amazon and Papau New Guinea New folks still dance naked round camp fires and still do eat each other)! The vitality and fortitude shown by Europeans in extending Western Civilization the last 700 years has been astounding for not even as extensive an empire as the Mongols, lasted as long or effected as many as the European empires.


Historian Sir Arnold Toymbee spoke of the 700 year cycle of assent and decline of civilizations; how initiative gave way to discovery, which gave way to building which gave way to empire which gave way to self destruction (always with a little help from the outside). Europe's rise began 700 years ago with the initiative and discovery of the Renaissance and is ending in the slow suicide of foreign take over - of colonization in reverse if you will!


The brightest, best and strongest genes in Europe fell on the killing fields of World War 1 and 2. During and after two world wars about the only men left to reproduce with were in good measure the 4F’s (military rejects in American parlance). Physically weaker, prone to sickness, not smart enough to take training or simply justifying estrogen dominant and cowardly behavior by hiding behind non violent philosophies. Many a coward who avoided service got to pass on his genes, over and over again while the real men were off at war. As fathers these cowards and weaklings passed on their thoughts justifying their cowardliness and lack of service as philosophical principles (usually left wing ones). As cowards always do they looked down on and criticized those who did do the duty to Fatherland, Motherland, His Britannic Majesty, The Divine Emperor or Mom, Apple Pie and the American Way. (In the US the first generation of these “ kids” formed the crux of the anti war movement of the 1970’s). The 4F’s taught their weak offspring to equally despise anyone who does not take the cowards way out of conflict through endless and fruitless negotiation (also called whining and bitching and moaning). The fearful are always advocating compromise with an enemy saying that lit is better to be a live slave than as dead freeman. Cowards, usually being atheists, are always afraid to die.


Now we have the 3rd generation of 4F’s running Europe, blissfully ignoring the Elephant in their living room. In America these 4F’s are not quite as strong, America being a bit ahead in strong genes by having lost far less men in WW1 than the Europeans. But here also the 4F’s are a strong voice for “whirled peas” and capitulation of freedoms over standing for full liberty!


European men of today cite how mature Europe is, so culturally developed and philosophically advanced that the need for physical conflict is not ever necessary. How juvenile it is for others (like Americans) to resist the “flow of time and culture” in the not so quiet Mohammedan take over of the world! The followers of Mohammed can kill European intellectuals, hold the press and its freedom hostage, stifle free speech as hate speech and demand that countries adopt brutal 8th century laws without being held at all responsible for their violence and barbarism. And so the the barbarians press on. The cry of maturity is actually a cry of old age and weakness. As the decadent and aged Western Roman Empire gave way to the invading barbarians of the 4 and 5 centuries, so today's invading barbarians are finding the pickings as easy in a Europe so dis - invigorated it can’t even seem to reproduce enough citizens to maintain the existence of their countries past the next hundred years! Again this is the genetic weakness of the 4F’s showing its head, sped on by xenoestrogen exposure forced by politically correct ways of eating protein substitutes instead of animals meat (i.e. estrogen laden soy). Though most of the young in Europe are promiscuously screwing away for the fun of it, the only people having babies in Europe are the arabs!


We see the same weakness creeping on in tired Israel. After 60 years of near continual war the strong have died, the weak have survived, the tired have moved out and birth rates are dreadfully low. Muslims are out birthing Jews and Israel is conceding more and more of its territory in the vain attempt to gain peace while the enemy simply has less and less territory it needs to rocket and bomb the Jews in after each concession. There will be more Israeli muslims than Israeli Jews in just a few decades and no amount of Aliaeh (return to the ancestral homeland) on the part of Jews will prevent that.


European culture has hit the end of it’s 700 years of Toynbee’s cycle. The decline started with the 1914-1918 war. The handwriting is on the wall, but the question arises - is writing and the cycle carved in stone, or some pigment that can be erased and the time frame adjusted? Toynbee’s cycle does have some give, about 200 years either way.



The Conquistadors of the Spanish Empire, Polish King John Sobieski III (the man who stopped the last Muslim advance into Europe), the men of the British Empire, the pioneer colonizers from Europe, none of them would ever have stood idly by reciting politically correct platitudes as excuses for cowardly inaction while the Islamic invaders were taking over the continent and the British Isles. They would not have negociated with those who murder, black mail, slice off heads, or kill their own women for falling in love with non arabs! (A girl has to be a virgin at marriage so she does not know what she’s missing or have a basis of comparison. Mohammed's second wife Aesha as 8 years old. That tells us a lot about him and abnormal psych experts can have a field day with that fact)!


Right now the voices for resisting the islamic take over of Europe are derided by the 4F’s as Nationalists, Racists, Fascists, Xenophobes etc. etc. etc. Those are the same weaklings who told Roman citizens not to worry about the Huns, the Vandals or the Visigoths. Just go to the circus maximus, get your show and free bread, do your debauchery and be happy. And the Romans were blissfully happy in their ignorance until the day when the Visigoth and Vandals each sacked Rome and destroyed the empire.


Is there enough testosterone left in tired old Europe, are there enough kids and grand kids of hardy veterans to take over from the 4F’s? Is there the collective will in Europe to preserve its culture, the various forms of its faith and it freedoms; or will low birthrate, no belief in God, low physical energy and low willpower relegate Europeans to bowing towards an enshrined meteorite 5 times a day, while their women cover their faces, have forced clitoridectomies and the faithless are forced to have a faith or die. On this side of the pond: Is a tired America slated to believe a grand deceiver and elect a enemy mole president? We will see and time will tell if our segment of Toynbee’s cycle has any give!

Thus they became so terrible to the enemies of Christ’s faith that one of them sued to chase a thousand, and two of them ten thousand; when they were called to arms, they did not ask how many of the enemy there were, but where they were. They were lions in war, and gentle as lambs at home; in the field they were fierce soldiers, in church they were like hermits or monks; they were harsh and savage to the enemies of Christ, but kindly and gracious to Christians.

By: Jacques de Vitry

Who is Jacques de Vitry

Historian of the crusades, cardinal Bishop of Acre, later of Tusculum, b. at Vitry-sur-Seine, near Paris, probably about 1160; d. at Rome, 1240. After attending the University of Paris, then in its infancy, he visited Marie d'Oignies, a mystic of the Diocese of Liège, attracted by her reputation for holiness. On her advice he became a canon regular, returned to Paris for ordination to the priesthood, and thereafter devoted himself to preaching; from 1210 to 1213 he was one of the most noted preachers of the crusade against the Albigenses. In fact so great was his renown throughout Christendom that the Latin clergy of St. John of Acre chose him as their bishop. He accepted the episcopal dignity with the approbation of Honorius III. From Palestine he went to Egypt and was present at the capture of Damietta (1218-20), an account of which he wrote to the pope. The leaders of the crusade complained of his imperious temper and attributed their reverses to his stubbornness. In 1227 he returned to Rome but soon resumed the offensive against the heretics of the Diocese of Liège. In 1229 Gregory IX allowed him to resign the See of Acre, created him a cardinal and Bishop of Tusculum and later legate in France and in Germany. He did not long survive his refusal of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem; at his request his body was conveyed to Oignies.
Among his works are letters to Pope Honorius, which form an important source of the history of the Egyptian crusade (ed. Roehrich, "Zeitschrift fuer Kirchengesch.," XIV-XVI), a collection of sermon-models for the use of preachers; a "Liber de mulieribus Leodiensibus," the most celebrated of these being Marie d'Oignies, whose wonderful visions the author relates (ed. Acta SS., June, IV, 636, 666), finally the "Historia Orientalis seu Hierosolymitana," his principal work, an account, at first hand, of the conditions in the Holy Land in the thirteenth century. He was of an inquiring and observant mind and conceived the plan — a remarkable one for the age in which he lived — of writing a geographical description of Palestine.
The first book is wholly devoted to that land and gives its history from the time of Mohammed; describing the expansion of Islam, he gives many picturesque details concerning Oriental idolaters, the Turcomans, the Bedouins, and especially the Assassins, subjects of the Old Man of the Mountain. His recount of the crusades is followed by praise for the fertility of Palestine under Christian domination, and for the efforts of the Italians, French, Germans, Bretons, and English to colonize it. He likewise dwells upon the characteristics of the various indigenous nations and of the "Pullani," half-breeds, to whose vices he attributes the reverses of the Christians. The writer then undertakes a regular description of the physical geography of the country, and gives a great many particulars, half real and half fabulous, regarding its climate, flora, fauna, minerals, its barbarous and extraordinary nations, the Amazons, etc. The honey gathered from the reeds (ex calamellis) was, of course, only cane sugar. A still more curious account is that which he gives of the magnetic compass: "Acus ferrea postquam adamantem contingerit, ad stellam septentrionalem, quae velut axis firmamenti aliis vergentibus non movetur, semper convertitur. Unde valde necessaria est navigantibus in mari." (Bongars, "Gesta Dei," I, 1106.) The remainder of the book is a history of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Book II, a dismally painted picture of the Christians of the East, closes with an account of the monastic orders and the hierarchy of Palestine. A third book, the story of the Egyptian crusade, is not from Jacques de Vitry, but from the pen of Oliver the Scholastic, Bishop of Paderborn.

Highlander,

I am doing a research paper on The Knights Templar and the theory that they settled in Switzerland after the arrests in 1307, and I was wondering if you had any links or places I should look to find more information on the topic.

Any help you could give me would be appreciated.

Well there it is,by the way what did Age have to do with anything?

Steve Dafoe and Alan Butler wrote a book on that very subject a few years ago you can find it on Steve's web site at [link to www.stephendafoe.com]

Yes they help to form the group of knights that came to be known as the Knights Templar but as you said were not Templars themselves. As for age, remember 35 and 40 year olds were considered "old" back then but some still remained Knights anyways. Jacques de Molay was in his 70's when he was the Orders Grand Master.

How old was Hugh of Champagne,when he and Hughes de Payen ,first arrived in Jerusalem in 1103?

I could'nt agree more with this guy,very thought provoking.

The Priory De Sion,I presume?The Despozny?

Any particular reason for this battle cry?
Is this a muslim influence?
Can somebody explain?

Isis

I will wear my symbol's with out fear of the unholy one's.I will never fail to show that which I am!

They can rumage around there all they want,they will not find what they are looking for there.That which they seek may have once been there (I seriously doubt it),but was moved,and is no longer there.

I hope this is in reference to the current St.Clair's,who are the "titular" representative's/Hiers.

Do not be worried ,the reason being is that They know their day's are numbered,soon all will be revealed.

The St.Clair/Sinclair family is very large today,you can not put that moniker on the whole family,and Henri St.Clair was involved,as where other's of that name.

More people need to have their DNA tested before this can be figured out,WHAT are you waiting for?Have your testing done and you mite be amazed at what you mite find out about yourself,then do your GENEALOGY,then come back here and let us know what's up.

This will never happen at his command,as he is going to be charged by the lamb on a day very soon,for his crime's and as an assessory after the fact,of all the crimes perpetrated by him and those that came before him.Do not put your faith into that beast,come out of her!

For hundreds of years the Sinclairs have been claiming a history that is not theirs to claim, I think the only Sinclair of any note is Henry, who may have sailed to the shores of Virginia long before CC. As for the St. Clairs they began in France and it is reported that Hugh de Payens may have been married to a St. Clair before leaving her for the Templars.

Hugh of Champagne - 1074 AD - 1125 AD

Hugh de Payens - 1070AD - 1136 AD

Ya Allah! There are many reasons for this oath to be shouted be for entering into battle. In terms of years there were many Templars in outremer who chose to never return to their ancestral homes and lived out there life in Palestine. When they left the order they married Muslim women who bore them sons who later became Templars and yet carried the heritage of their mothers with them into battle and may have shouted this in honor to her religion. Others put forth that this battle cry was used to “scare” the Muslims telling them they had better make peace with Allah because they were about to die. So as you can see from just these two examples there is no single accepted reason for the cry to be made, it just was.

This is interesting in that I was just re-reading your post and what you suggested I promote, watch my site in a few days and see if you agree with what I will be posting about this very subject.

No, the Council of Troyes for the Templars, the Priory of Sion would be more for the Hospitallars not the Templars.

Highlanders

Presidential Platform:
People First!

1. Taxes: While in order for a country to exist and thrive there must be some form of tax base to fund the workings of the government, so therefore taxes are a necessary evil, but they need not be overwhelming to the tax paying citizens of this country. So I am in favor of a flat tax being in the amount of 10% of everyone’s personal income and 15% of all corporate income with NO write-offs or deductions for anyone.

2. Oil: Investments in oil is a natural part of business and while people who invest in oil love seeing the price of oil sky rocket to many people on this planet suffer because of it, we need to control the cost of oil and control the profits from it. The price of fuel oil, gasoline and other by-products must be lowered and if the oil companies are unwilling to do it then we as a nation must see that this is done. OPEC does not want this done, big oil does not what this done, investors do not want this done, 4,5,6 dollars per gallon for fuel is nothing to them, but to us it is hurting our way of life and they do not have the right to do this . I do not favor governments intervening in private enterprise, but at this time I feel we must, people must come first before profits and I do not care who we have to demonstrate this philosophy to, it is and must always be people first. The oil producers, oil companies and oil investors will not want this to happen and they will fight it in everyway possible but this control will be enacted whether they want it or not, because if they do not comply the governments of the world will simply stamp them as outlaws and forbid them access to sell their products on the world markets.

3. Economy: The economy of the United States of America is in shambles, oil prices are driving up prices on every level except housing and with housing we are loosing value, sales are down, values are dropping, there are more foreclosures than ever, employment is dropping because employers cannot afford to hire due to higher costs of materials and manpower. Yes, manpower, we are pricing ourselves out of the job markets by our demands of higher pay, more benefits, fewer work hours, we demand more but deliver less, this must also change. Businesses must stop exporting their work force to other countries just because labor if cheaper, businesses must first be required to purchase goods and materials from US firms unless there is NO, US firm making the required product. The USA must return to yesteryears and restart making everything ourselves and NOT depending on other countries for anything and we must make it a law that NO firm/company home based in the US can be sold to a foreign enterprise, we as citizens of the United States must remain citizens of the United States and not Citizens of a single world government or even a controlling member of such an organization.

4. Race and Religion: The United States was founded on democratic principles of basic equality for all and with that come religious tolerance and racial equalities. No one can set themselves up as being better than anyone else and as a nation of emigrants we should be the first to understand this and not be tolerant of prejudices because of the color of ones skin or the beliefs of individual people, as long as these beliefs are NOT forced on anyone that is not interested in them.


5. Terrorism: Terrorism is a blight on the world and with that it is a world problem not just a United States problem. This does not mean that “WE” should simply ignore it and let the world court handle it or the UN despite that being their wish. The US must and will handle the security of OUR country ourselves and not leave it up to some other group whose only wish is to unite all the nations of the world under their own flag. As President I would immediately withdraw all of our troops from the war in the Middle East and with that turn all of our efforts to finding and terminating the leaders of the organizations who are murdering innocent peoples of the world.

6. Civil and Constitutional Rights: As “citizens” of the United States of America we have “Rights” and no one person and no one group has the right to deny our people these inherent rights. I will propose and demand a return to a Justice system to be supported by a legal system that is mandated to comply with the rights and laws declared to us in our Constitution. The days of special interest groups and certain civil right groups that do nothing but take away more and more of our born rights as American citizens will end. Under our Constitution the only people to benefit from it will be America citizens and AMERICAN CITIZENS only. Foreigners who come here to live, work and bad mouth our ways will not be tolerated and since they are not included in our Constitutional Rights the must appeal to a world court for redress and since we do not recognize any world court order concerning the interpretation of our Constitution, what they order carries no weight with us.


7. Philosophy of Order: The United States was founded on Democratic principles with and by utilization of Roman law and English Common laws, this worked for over 100 years until powerful politically motivated groups wanted to destroy our way of life and institute at our expense and individual freedoms their our sets of laws and restrictions that let them develop themselves into a power that answers to no one but demands that all answer to them.

8. Environment: Here is a simple and yet complex statement made by world renowned scientist a few years ago and I quote; “We can put every single family on Earth into the State of Texas in their own home on 1 acre and have the rest of the world for producing our needs and at the same time give the Earth a chance to heal itself for our excesses”. What does this single statement says in effect that no problem is necessarily a death sentence to our earthly existence and if treated right the earth will heal itself, all we need to do is quit trying to destroy it with our petty wants of comfort and use our world only for the true necessities of life.


9. Morals, Mores and Dogma: This is simple and yet the most difficult of all changes we must make in order to survive the present and live a life worth living in the future for us and our children and their children’s children. We must return to the ways of Chivalry and treat others as we wish them to treat us, it’s that simple and yet that terrifyingly difficult. We force our MMD’s on to no one and no one forces theirs onto us. If a group cannot willingly do this then they are removed from our country, no rights, no court hearing no nothing, they are removed from the United States of America without recourse.

10. Government: The United States Federal government will be returned to its original duties and powers outlined in the Constitution, welfare programs and requirements will be returned to the individual State for control with no interference from the federal powers. States of the Union will regain what has been taken from them, but the legal ladder will remain the same, for federal law is above State and local laws, this is necessary for without this control States could in effect become their own mini-country.


There are many things wrong with the United States of America, but even with these, the USA is still the greatest country on Earth. How many countries are dependant upon our help with; food, money, our military, medicine, etc., we cannot ignore their needs but we must first fix our own problem before fixing theirs. My stance is America and its people first and the rest of the world after.

Highlander, 2008