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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26850920  United States10/23/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47820629 I'm going to get banned because I am going to start cursing out the idiots here. The government creates jobs ALL THE TIME. We spend a trillion dollars a year on the military industrial complex - which in turn pays the salaries of the corporate employees, which in turn makes the shareholders (the TOP) massive profits. Not only do we create jobs but we create profits. The wars in the middle east created millions of jobs and generated billions of profit for corporations. You know the two wars that we fought on the basis of lies. The bush tax cuts were sold on job creation - where the fuck are the jobs asshole? The Bush Tax cuts will cost us 3 trillion dollars. We could have taken that money and created infrastructure jobs and not only solved the infrastructure problem but also stimulated the domestic economy. Over the next decade the tax cuts will cost us 1 trillion dollars - all that money is NOT being invested in America or in job creation. It is either consolidating wealth or being invested overseas. What the Tax Cuts Cost [link to costoftaxcuts.com] LOL No, They do not create. They take from one group to give to another. Government does NOT create. When you get that through your head, you will progress. Until then, continue to play the victim, continue to look to uncle sam to solve your problems. Doesn't affect me if you want to worship the state.  You've got it bass ackwards. The government is the ONLY ONE who creates economic progress in American history...usually by funding private enterprise/research to actually execute the task itself. The federal government funded either wholly or in part: -the railroads. -the semi-conducting microprocessor. -Teflon -Velcro -pretty much everything Dow chemical and 3M has ever done. -synthetic insulation -the interstate highway system. -the telephone lines. -the power grid. -the Internet -GPS -photovoltaic cells. -communications protocols of all kinds -modern commercial air travel -UNIX -CT scans & MRI's -...and about 20 million other things you take for granted. That line I bolded, is literally the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. Private citizens create, not the government. Just because they stole money from people to throw at these different projects doesn't mean they "created" them. You are a braindead statist. ...says the 12 year old kid in his Halloween costume. |
*Evan  User ID: 43993722 United States10/23/2013 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: *Evan LOL No, They do not create. They take from one group to give to another. Government does NOT create. When you get that through your head, you will progress. Until then, continue to play the victim, continue to look to uncle sam to solve your problems. Doesn't affect me if you want to worship the state. You've got it bass ackwards. The government is the ONLY ONE who creates economic progress in American history...usually by funding private enterprise/research to actually execute the task itself. The federal government funded either wholly or in part: -the railroads. -the semi-conducting microprocessor. -Teflon -Velcro -pretty much everything Dow chemical and 3M has ever done. -synthetic insulation -the interstate highway system. -the telephone lines. -the power grid. -the Internet -GPS -photovoltaic cells. -communications protocols of all kinds -modern commercial air travel -UNIX -CT scans & MRI's -...and about 20 million other things you take for granted. That line I bolded, is literally the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. Private citizens create, not the government. Just because they stole money from people to throw at these different projects doesn't mean they "created" them. You are a braindead statist. ...says the 12 year old kid in his Halloween costume. Can't refute the info, attack the messenger. Common tactic. Plus, it is almost halloween....and I am not 12, I turned 13 the other day!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48813467  Portugal10/23/2013 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45477639 United States10/23/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: *Evan LOL No, They do not create. They take from one group to give to another. Government does NOT create. When you get that through your head, you will progress. Until then, continue to play the victim, continue to look to uncle sam to solve your problems. Doesn't affect me if you want to worship the state. You've got it bass ackwards. The government is the ONLY ONE who creates economic progress in American history...usually by funding private enterprise/research to actually execute the task itself. The federal government funded either wholly or in part: -the railroads. -the semi-conducting microprocessor. -Teflon -Velcro -pretty much everything Dow chemical and 3M has ever done. -synthetic insulation -the interstate highway system. -the telephone lines. -the power grid. -the Internet -GPS -photovoltaic cells. -communications protocols of all kinds -modern commercial air travel -UNIX -CT scans & MRI's -...and about 20 million other things you take for granted. That line I bolded, is literally the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. Private citizens create, not the government. Just because they stole money from people to throw at these different projects doesn't mean they "created" them. You are a braindead statist. ...says the 12 year old kid in his Halloween costume. Personal attacks, all too pathetically predictable. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26850920 United States10/23/2013 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47820629 I'm going to get banned because I am going to start cursing out the idiots here. The government creates jobs ALL THE TIME. We spend a trillion dollars a year on the military industrial complex - which in turn pays the salaries of the corporate employees, which in turn makes the shareholders (the TOP) massive profits. Not only do we create jobs but we create profits. The wars in the middle east created millions of jobs and generated billions of profit for corporations. You know the two wars that we fought on the basis of lies. The bush tax cuts were sold on job creation - where the fuck are the jobs asshole? The Bush Tax cuts will cost us 3 trillion dollars. We could have taken that money and created infrastructure jobs and not only solved the infrastructure problem but also stimulated the domestic economy. Over the next decade the tax cuts will cost us 1 trillion dollars - all that money is NOT being invested in America or in job creation. It is either consolidating wealth or being invested overseas. What the Tax Cuts Cost [link to costoftaxcuts.com] LOL No, They do not create. They take from one group to give to another. Government does NOT create. When you get that through your head, you will progress. Until then, continue to play the victim, continue to look to uncle sam to solve your problems. Doesn't affect me if you want to worship the state. You've got it bass ackwards. The government is the ONLY ONE who creates economic progress in American history...usually by funding private enterprise/research to actually execute the task itself. The federal government funded either wholly or in part: -the railroads. -the semi-conducting microprocessor. -Teflon -Velcro -pretty much everything Dow chemical and 3M has ever done. -synthetic insulation -the interstate highway system. -the telephone lines. -the power grid. -the Internet -GPS -photovoltaic cells. -communications protocols of all kinds -modern commercial air travel -UNIX -CT scans & MRI's -...and about 20 million other things you take for granted. and what does our government destroy??? they are taking productive money out of the private sector. they have grown far too large and inefficient. EPA/OSHA(insert any gov regulation here) regs make it expensive to do business here. Of course companies will move production to cheaper and less regulated environments. stupid not too. social engineering through tax code. corporations pay no or little tax because the tax code is so full of holes...... deficit spending by government increases costs for all borrowing. destruction of wealth by endless printing of money. should I keep going? Oh...of course. The government does a lot of really fucked up things too. However, issuing blanket statements like "we should get rid of the EPA" is fucking moronic. Yes...lobbyists have infiltrated the organization and made diesel fuel much more expensive due to rather silly low-sulphur requirements. ...however they are also the only thing standing between you and a bunch of carcinogens in your municipal water supply. Are the "raw milk raids" on Amish people bullshit? Of course...yet I sure am glad SOMEBODY is checking to see that the food we buy in the grocery store has minimal amounts of rat feces in it. Seeking to improve governance is desperately needed. Pretending that we don't need a government at all is delusional. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8954131  Puerto Rico10/23/2013 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And a hundred times that in weapons and bailouts to banks ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8954131 what I see is propaganda aiming to blame the poor as they blamed the Jews in WW2 Germany on all the economic woes , then forced labor camps and ultimately poison gas & the incinerators and mass graves .... Ω Report: U.S. Spent $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years Quoting: Ag47 [link to www.weeklystandard.com] "We have just concluded the 5th fiscal year since President Obama took office. During those five years, the federal government has spent a total $3.7 trillion on approximately 80 different means-tested poverty and welfare programs. The common feature of means-tested assistance programs is that they are graduated based on a person’s income and, in contrast to programs like Social Security or Medicare, they are a free benefit and not paid into by the recipient," says the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee. "The enormous sum spent on means-tested assistance is nearly five times greater than the combined amount spent on NASA, education, and all federal transportation projects over that time. ($3.7 trillion is not even the entire amount spent on federal poverty support, as states contribute more than $200 billion each year to this federal nexus—primarily in the form of free low-income health care.) Sure it's the same thing, sure it is....and what you don't see is the 3.7 trillion dollars are the camps and railcars the Germans built for the Jews. You really think people are any more ethical at the bottom than they are at the top? Have a look at this video to see there is no difference to the effect of government handout on people at the top and people at the bottom.. The really sad thing is, you don't see the link between this behavior, the bank bailouts, and the REAL cause of both. You cant have productive inventive people in good wages...they will start buying their own homes , installing solar panels and condense humidity from the air to have their own water , do Hydroponic farming & grow their own non radioactive non Monsanto poisoned food .. Government & wall street wants them Jobless stupid and unproductive, under paid & overworked in case they get a wallmart or Wendys Job and have your $75Hr engineering job Outsourced to india at $5. hr The next step is work for food programs inside fema camps .. go fall for this propaganda bring the system down demand end to food stamps & aid for the poor . Then start fearing for your lives (Satan Won) and his pay to his ass licking lackeys is death and treason .. bRING iT ON !  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13978944 United States10/23/2013 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Dirtyboy User ID: 48813582 United States10/23/2013 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the 3.7 include section 8 housing? That program does nothing but destroy apartment complexes around here as most of the residence steal everything, tear up surrounding properties and make the area dangerous at night. Also we do nothing to discourage welfare mothers from having more children. You should only be allowed to collect for 2 kids. You can have a tribe as it is now and you the government will fit the bill, for food, housing and medical care and later on jail for all the bad ones. Most of the poor countries have too many people to support a healthy lifestyle. When you have an abundance of labor you don't have to pay them much because they can be replaced. In the news they are saying as interest rates increase and wages stay stagnate house sales are expected to decline. If you can't get a decent paying job then you can't get a house or rent an apartment. We can do nothing and eventually turn communist because there is no way to take care of everyone or we can encourage women to hold the line at two kids. If all else fails it will become a world like China where forced abortion become a necessity. And then there is the ethanol lie which has led to higher food prices and gas mileage that goes down. Ethanol was just a way to make corporate farms more profitable. Dirtyboy Think beyond impossible. |
| goodmockingbird User ID: 48662878 United States10/23/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the 3.7 include section 8 housing? That program does nothing but destroy apartment complexes around here as most of the residence steal everything, tear up surrounding properties and make the area dangerous at night. Quoting: Dirtyboy Also we do nothing to discourage welfare mothers from having more children. You should only be allowed to collect for 2 kids. Why even do that? Why not place the children for adoption in a home where they will have an opportunity to learn something other than leeching off of others? Or an orphanage where they could learn vocational training? I spent over a decade as a social worker, and I know exactly how welfare people live. The kids do not have a chance to learn anything productive. All they learn is dependency. I Support Our First Responders |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32887461 United States10/23/2013 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And a hundred times that in weapons and bailouts to banks ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8954131 what I see is propaganda aiming to blame the poor as they blamed the Jews in WW2 Germany on all the economic woes , then forced labor camps and ultimately poison gas & the incinerators and mass graves .... Ω Report: U.S. Spent $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years Quoting: Ag47 [link to www.weeklystandard.com] "We have just concluded the 5th fiscal year since President Obama took office. During those five years, the federal government has spent a total $3.7 trillion on approximately 80 different means-tested poverty and welfare programs. The common feature of means-tested assistance programs is that they are graduated based on a person’s income and, in contrast to programs like Social Security or Medicare, they are a free benefit and not paid into by the recipient," says the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee. "The enormous sum spent on means-tested assistance is nearly five times greater than the combined amount spent on NASA, education, and all federal transportation projects over that time. ($3.7 trillion is not even the entire amount spent on federal poverty support, as states contribute more than $200 billion each year to this federal nexus—primarily in the form of free low-income health care.) Sure it's the same thing, sure it is....and what you don't see is the 3.7 trillion dollars are the camps and railcars the Germans built for the Jews. You really think people are any more ethical at the bottom than they are at the top? Have a look at this video to see there is no difference to the effect of government handout on people at the top and people at the bottom.. The really sad thing is, you don't see the link between this behavior, the bank bailouts, and the REAL cause of both. You cant have productive inventive people in good wages...they will start buying their own homes , installing solar panels and condense humidity from the air to have their own water , do Hydroponic farming & grow their own non radioactive non Monsanto poisoned food .. Government & wall street wants them Jobless stupid and unproductive, under paid & overworked in case they get a wallmart or Wendys Job and have your $75Hr engineering job Outsourced to india at $5. hr The next step is work for food programs inside fema camps .. go fall for this propaganda bring the system down demand end to food stamps & aid for the poor . Then start fearing for your lives (Satan Won) and his pay to his ass licking lackeys is death and treason .. bRING iT ON ! "Necessitie, the inuentour of all goodnesse." Productive people are good for society but it is, has been, and always will be, Necessity that drives the inventive spirit of man. Take away Necessity and the only thing left to direct a mans footsteps towards wealth of any kind is GREED. Be it in the form of a bank account with 6 or more zeros acquired via a government funded bailout, govenment funded weapons contract, or a shopping cart full of food via a broken government funded EBT card. Show me a man that lives for the greater good because he's productive and I will show you a man who only sees what he want to see. Dare I ask how many solar power panels you have, how much water you squeeze from the air, and how much Hydroponic farming you do? And how much of this productive lifestyle you live do you share with the "poor" or less fortunate? |
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| Tferguson User ID: 9692636 United States10/23/2013 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, i get the point. But tell me how much was spent on mindless fake wars? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48813467 So you guys freak out for helping a brother out, but never mind paying for the their slaughter? Go figure... No wonder the amount of hate and duality you live with. Link for current rolling costs of both Iraq and Afghanistan wars. $1.4 trillion an counting. [link to nationalpriorities.org] I also don't think this is an attack on the poor, well at least not by most people. The majority of people who receive these benefits need them. There are obviously a bunch of people who abuse the system and create a bad name for everyone buts that true for all groups in society. The specific issue I have is with the families that receive $40,000+ in assistance. That's nearly the median income for families in the US. Hawaii's was up to 49k, that's 1,000 less than median household income. I don't really call that assistance, it's a salary. With benefits this large, it doesn't encourage anyone to advance themselves and move forward with their lives. Why would anyone work a menial job, when the assistance provides much more than most basic jobs? I mean honestly, who's going to choose a shit job and a shit salary over $40k free dollars in assistance? There needs to be an incentive to get off government assistance and take control of your own destiny. The system needs to be revamped. Shit, the majority of the programs the government has created need to be revamped. We need to spend less time pointing fingers, ( it's the poors fault, you spend more on war, etc), and try to come up with solutions. Turdferguson audentes fortuna iuvat But the latter will, no doubt, be the melancholy fate of a people once inspired with the love of liberty, as the power vested in congress of sending troops for suppressing insurrections will always enable them to stifle the first struggles of freedom. A FEDERAL REPUBLICAN |
| *Evan User ID: 43993722 United States10/23/2013 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the 3.7 include section 8 housing? That program does nothing but destroy apartment complexes around here as most of the residence steal everything, tear up surrounding properties and make the area dangerous at night. Quoting: Dirtyboy Also we do nothing to discourage welfare mothers from having more children. You should only be allowed to collect for 2 kids. You can have a tribe as it is now and you the government will fit the bill, for food, housing and medical care and later on jail for all the bad ones. Most of the poor countries have too many people to support a healthy lifestyle. When you have an abundance of labor you don't have to pay them much because they can be replaced. In the news they are saying as interest rates increase and wages stay stagnate house sales are expected to decline. If you can't get a decent paying job then you can't get a house or rent an apartment. We can do nothing and eventually turn communist because there is no way to take care of everyone or we can encourage women to hold the line at two kids. If all else fails it will become a world like China where forced abortion become a necessity. And then there is the ethanol lie which has led to higher food prices and gas mileage that goes down. Ethanol was just a way to make corporate farms more profitable. Good point! If all who receive welfare, or even if most who receive it, are good people down on their luck...why is every section 8 apartment complex in the country a ghetto? Last Edited by *Evan on 10/24/2013 11:47 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 45563480  Iceland10/23/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Debte 17672606 .... Wait...I am confused why in the process of being called a douche by a complete stranger that I am supposed to automatically agree with you. No its not obvious because my life has been a mixed bag. Please explain to me this notion of sudden submission. Hi its called being an individual.. you want people to stop beinv lazy..then why don't you give someone a job. Why don't you go through all the buissness courses take all the buisness classes. ( using tax payer federal grants) and start something productive. Oh and by the way..when you start to make money.. you have to report to the same system you complain about. That says it all about how the world is supposed to work in the eyes of the victimized liberal... You, the person other than me, are supposed to solve my financial problems by either giving me free money, or giving me a job, either way it's up to YOU to fix MY problems. The TOP gets free money all the time. Corporate welfare (free money), bank bailouts (free money), corporate bailouts (free money), bank deregulation (free money), fed discount window (free money)... Not to mention all the crap we spend on things that are not real. Like the "war on terror" and the "war on drugs". We have 1000 military bases all over the globe protecting corporate interests - and you pay for it. Complain about that before you start on the poor. How is that relevant?.. it's a completely different issue. You cannot claim to care for the "poor" by demonizing what you call the "TOP". A bucket with holes at the "TOP" will not hold water any better by also putting holes at the bottom. The opposite is actually true and water is lost even faster because you now have holes in the bottom. Leave the bottom and fix the "TOP".. We are not making the world better, more fair, more wealthy for ANYONE by drilling holes at the bottom simply because there are holes at the "TOP" "the parable of a bucket" nice anecdote except the very wealthy want holes on top too providing us deadweight more service jobs pouring water into the bucket collected from our tears served to the sitting rich getting drunk from overflow while most of humanity dies from slow dehydration driven by the fear of thirst ~H |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 48864341 Portugal10/24/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, i get the point. But tell me how much was spent on mindless fake wars? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48813467 So you guys freak out for helping a brother out, but never mind paying for the their slaughter? Go figure... No wonder the amount of hate and duality you live with. Link for current rolling costs of both Iraq and Afghanistan wars. $1.4 trillion an counting. [link to nationalpriorities.org] I also don't think this is an attack on the poor, well at least not by most people. The majority of people who receive these benefits need them. There are obviously a bunch of people who abuse the system and create a bad name for everyone buts that true for all groups in society. The specific issue I have is with the families that receive $40,000+ in assistance. That's nearly the median income for families in the US. Hawaii's was up to 49k, that's 1,000 less than median household income. I don't really call that assistance, it's a salary. With benefits this large, it doesn't encourage anyone to advance themselves and move forward with their lives. Why would anyone work a menial job, when the assistance provides much more than most basic jobs? I mean honestly, who's going to choose a shit job and a shit salary over $40k free dollars in assistance? There needs to be an incentive to get off government assistance and take control of your own destiny. The system needs to be revamped. Shit, the majority of the programs the government has created need to be revamped. We need to spend less time pointing fingers, ( it's the poors fault, you spend more on war, etc), and try to come up with solutions. Im with you. Thanks for the enlightment :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7669788 Iceland10/25/2013 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does the 3.7 include section 8 housing? That program does nothing but destroy apartment complexes around here as most of the residence steal everything, tear up surrounding properties and make the area dangerous at night. Quoting: Dirtyboy Also we do nothing to discourage welfare mothers from having more children. You should only be allowed to collect for 2 kids. Why even do that? Why not place the children for adoption in a home where they will have an opportunity to learn something other than leeching off of others? Or an orphanage where they could learn vocational training? I spent over a decade as a social worker, and I know exactly how welfare people live. The kids do not have a chance to learn anything productive. All they learn is dependency. "ignorant parrots of prejudice" it's a lucrative business kidnapping from the poor parents crumble then slowly die off; social workers working us to death. ~H |
