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But the imbalance -- if it does not even out in the months to come -- could create problems for private insurance companies which are relying on a major influx of new and healthy customers to make the system hum.

"There are a lot of elements of this law that have to work, that must work -- otherwise the whole thing collapses," the Cato Institute's Michael Cannon said. "They need -- need -- lots of healthy people to sign up for insurance through the exchanges."

Obama administration still hasn't provided figures on how many people have successfully enrolled through the federally run exchanges. Some, but not all, states have provided their own relatively up-to-date figures.

But for those that have, the lopsided numbers show Medicaid is getting the lion's share of enrollees.

[link to www.foxnews.com]
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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But the imbalance -- if it does not even out in the months to come -- could create problems for private insurance companies which are relying on a major influx of new and healthy customers to make the system hum.

"There are a lot of elements of this law that have to work, that must work -- otherwise the whole thing collapses," the Cato Institute's Michael Cannon said. "They need -- need -- lots of healthy people to sign up for insurance through the exchanges."

Obama administration still hasn't provided figures on how many people have successfully enrolled through the federally run exchanges. Some, but not all, states have provided their own relatively up-to-date figures.

But for those that have, the lopsided numbers show Medicaid is getting the lion's share of enrollees.

[link to www.foxnews.com]
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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THE GAME GOES ON!!
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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just looked this up and it is total bullshit.

at least in most states.

good job being dumb.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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just looked this up and it is total bullshit.

at least in most states.

good job being dumb.
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go ahead and sign up then. i want you to sign up, please sign up now.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


just looked this up and it is total bullshit.

at least in most states.

good job being dumb.
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go ahead and sign up then. i want you to sign up, please sign up now.
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i don't qualify. you are still stupid.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


Unfortunately, it's not.

Check up on any elderly who sign up for Medicaid with Medicare and they even go back five years looking for any transfer of assets to, for example, their children.

This has been happening for some time now.

Reality sucks, huh?


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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


its not just the lottery, any income you generate can be used to pay off anything the govt has previously paid, they will send you a bill. i dont care if you believe me, its your choice to sign up, not mine, i could care less.
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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Yes, those states that opened their own exchanges are getting hammered with Medicaid applications! Some are reporting 90% of enrollees are those applying for this.

Sure, the feds will pay it for a year or two but then what? The states will be stuck for the bill and most can't afford it.


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Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


its not just the lottery, any income you generate can be used to pay off anything the govt has previously paid, they will send you a bill. i dont care if you believe me, its your choice to sign up, not mine, i could care less.
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Couldn't care less* and you are wrong, you are a dumbass.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


Unfortunately, it's not.

Check up on any elderly who sign up for Medicaid with Medicare and they even go back five years looking for any transfer of assets to, for example, their children.

This has been happening for some time now.

Reality sucks, huh?


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uh no, that is medicare that will come after you home. I suggest you use google. Answers are right in front of your fucking face.

medicaid > medicare.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


its not just the lottery, any income you generate can be used to pay off anything the govt has previously paid, they will send you a bill. i dont care if you believe me, its your choice to sign up, not mine, i could care less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


It is called the Recovery Act and whatever they take they take after you die and that from your estate. But ACA will probably change this. It will likely morph into what you describe over time. It has too as states become desperate. But then again a state can just choose to not expand coverage.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


Unfortunately, it's not.

Check up on any elderly who sign up for Medicaid with Medicare and they even go back five years looking for any transfer of assets to, for example, their children.

This has been happening for some time now.

Reality sucks, huh?


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uh no, that is medicare that will come after you home. I suggest you use google. Answers are right in front of your fucking face.

medicaid > medicare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/reports/estaterec.htm‎
it is Medicaid but not as dire as he says
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


Unfortunately, it's not.

Check up on any elderly who sign up for Medicaid with Medicare and they even go back five years looking for any transfer of assets to, for example, their children.

This has been happening for some time now.

Reality sucks, huh?


.
 Quoting: Bluebird


uh no, that is medicare that will come after you home. I suggest you use google. Answers are right in front of your fucking face.

medicaid > medicare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


WRONG! It's the State that comes after you.

There was even a congresswoman, name of Carol Barnes I believe from Illinois and the State came after her for selling her mother's house and putting her in the nursing home on Medicaid.

And I also know this from dealing with my own elderly relatives.

I don't have to google anything as I already have a dozen times over the years.


Sell the house at least five years before putting them in a home on Medicaid!

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I also know a woman who was married to a deadbeat who didn't pay his child support. She got Medicaid for her child. Later when she was trying to recover some of the child support, her case worker told her she would have to repay Medicaid for whatever they had spent on her child if she did recover it.

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This is going to be one of the big Obamacare stories for next week, since it was barely touched upon this week.

Can't wait!
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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Yes, those states that opened their own exchanges are getting hammered with Medicaid applications! Some are reporting 90% of enrollees are those applying for this.

Sure, the feds will pay it for a year or two but then what? The states will be stuck for the bill and most can't afford it.


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In Oregon it was 100 percent, Kentucky 97, Washington State 87 percent, I think.
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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Yup...

We're all fucked. Obama is going to get single payer one way or another. When everyone is on public aid, and the insurance companies collapse, there's no other option.
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I also know a woman who was married to a deadbeat who didn't pay his child support. She got Medicaid for her child. Later when she was trying to recover some of the child support, her case worker told her she would have to repay Medicaid for whatever they had spent on her child if she did recover it.

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Nope, I call BS on her story. They can't do that. Your benefits are determined by the money you have. If they can prove that you were hiding assets at the time you were receiving benefits they can come after you. If you come into money afterward (and let them know as soon as you do) they can't do anything.

Medicare can seize assets when the person dies.
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I heard on the radio that's been the case so far in Illinois.
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Yup...

We're all fucked. Obama is going to get single payer one way or another. When everyone is on public aid, and the insurance companies collapse, there's no other option.
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A black market always rises up to meet such circumstances.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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They only loan you what Medicaid spends--they do "estate recovery" after you die, and collect their expenditures, before any heirs get a dime.
So set up your assets so you die with nothing to seize.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
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They only loan you what Medicaid spends--they do "estate recovery" after you die, and collect their expenditures, before any heirs get a dime.
So set up your assets so you die with nothing to seize.
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all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


Unfortunately, it's not.

Check up on any elderly who sign up for Medicaid with Medicare and they even go back five years looking for any transfer of assets to, for example, their children.

This has been happening for some time now.

Reality sucks, huh?


.
 Quoting: Bluebird


all these people who sign up for medicaid dont realize they are giving their entire lives to the govt, if they ever stop being poor they will get a massive bill for everything they ever used, the govt can take your bank accounts,home,everything, ect ect... so these people who sign up better hope they never ever get a job and move out of the getto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


its not just the lottery, any income you generate can be used to pay off anything the govt has previously paid, they will send you a bill. i dont care if you believe me, its your choice to sign up, not mine, i could care less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


...


That is a lie.

The gov. cannot take from your bank account, home, or anything else other than income tax refunds.

If you plan your witholding correctly, there will never be a refund...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22849365


i said most states, because apparently in some states, if you win the state lottery, they will take some of your winnings to cover medicaid costs you benefited from.

But yes, that poster is beyond fucking stupid. must be fucking his sister in a trailer stupid to make something like that up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11163451


its not just the lottery, any income you generate can be used to pay off anything the govt has previously paid, they will send you a bill. i dont care if you believe me, its your choice to sign up, not mine, i could care less.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44582992


It is called the Recovery Act and whatever they take they take after you die and that from your estate. But ACA will probably change this. It will likely morph into what you describe over time. It has too as states become desperate. But then again a state can just choose to not expand coverage.
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