NPD unit 67 apprehended Mr. Manfredonia outside Sandy Hook School on Crestwood at 9:40 a.m. on 12/14/12

At 1:30 p.m. NPD was "securing him up" after having "secured" him that morning. Unit 67 in both cases. They give his name during the afternoon transmission.

Im not asking for your words. Im asking for *proof* of that.

Second, again, How are you concluding that Manfredonia had a 'running partner' ie that someone was running with him?

NPD said they were "securing him up" at 1:30 pm. I've posted the link to the audio many times.

Of course, you are free to suggest a conspiracy theory along the lines that NPD officers who said they were "securing him up" were lying when they said it.

NPD officers did not say they were securing up Manfredonia at that time.

Also, Im repeating the question youve avoided twice now -

How are you concluding that Manfredonia had a 'running partner' ie that someone was running with him?

So what is up with the southeast side of the school?

That's the side with the playground equipment:

[link to ww2.hdnux.com]

That's where Mr. Manfredonia may have been running; that's where Ms. Vollmer's and Ms. Pisani's rooms are; and that's possibly the first side of the building police attempted to breach.

Even though the very most sensitive classrooms were allegedly in the front of the school, it was this same south side that demolition workers immediately brought down on the first day of destruction:

[link to media2.s-nbcnews.com]

This hallway has a lot of secrecy associated with it. Whereas we know the names of the teachers in the front of the school, Ms. Pisani, who worked in a classroom in that south hall, remained one of the strangest mysteries of Sandy Hook until her son finally signed a petition and revealed her name.

Why all the activity, and secrecy, associated with those particular classrooms? From a demolition standpoint, there is no benefit to starting on that side, and in fact you could safely suggest it's an odd place to start.

False. You are the thickest darkest black propaganda that Iran has ever enriched. Fact. You can not deny these all American facts !!!

Another unusual view of the first day of demo:

[link to assets.nydailynews.com]

Only one man's apprehension was said to hold up the breach of the school. Two men were running at NPD Unit 67; only one was caught.

They couldn't work on getting into the school until that individual was secured.

67 later in the day said, "That's the one you and I secured." And he named him as Christopher Manfredonia.

Manfredonia himself said he was apprehended immediately after cops arrived. Unit 67 apprehended one man immediately upon arrival. He later named him as mentioned above.

67 didn't apprehend the man in the woods - that was CSP.

Other NPD units may have stopped or even cuffed ThorneZellotti, I don't know. But 67 got Mr. M., and said so himself.

For the umpteenth time....

Im not asking for your words, which are false - Im asking for where you got that from.

The reason I kept asking for that was because you dont have it.

Here's the point Zephyr - these are just more lies by you because Ive go the same evidence you do on that and 1) There is no indication that two people were running at 67, nor that one of them 'got away' like youve lied so many times by saying. and 2) It cannot be concluded from the audio transmission that Manfredonia was still detained at that time.

Youve INTENTIONALLY distorted the facts to create lies on these two issues.

These are yet two more of your lies.

67 said:

"Yeah, we got 'em."
"They're comin' at me, down Crestwood!"

Then,

"I've got a party on the [scene]...I've got him proned out."

After 67 nabs him, Kullgren lets Riverside units know there's a second guy:

S6: "[Riverside] units, be aware that we [...]have a second [...]."

To which they immediately respond:

"Roger, any description?"

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Manfredonia didn't say he was just hanging around with his hands in the pocket watching 67 cuff other guys, and then when 67 is done with the one guy, he suddenly abandons him and runs over and cuffs Manfredonia, too.

Manfredonia said he was cuffed within minutes if not seconds of PD arrival. If 67 cuffed the guy on Crestwood, whose cuffs did he then use on Manfredonia?

Sedensky confirms, by default, that Unit 67 apprehended Manfredonia:

"From the time an unknown male was encountered by the Newtown police outside of the school during the
initial response..."

AN unknown male, singular.

It CANNOT be stated therefore that Manfredonia was definitively running alongside the school. The police audio now without question refers to Manfredonia.

That means Mandfredonia was running down Crestwood--whatever that means.

Consistent attempt to reduce TWO runners to ONE:

"Reports by school personnel during the shooting on a 911 call of seeing someone running outside the school while the shooting was ongoing..."

They didn't report seeing someone. They reported seeing TWO someones, seconds before Unit 67 confirmed more than one individual was running at him down Crestwood.

Man, the are REALLY going on and on about the fact Manfredonia had cell phone in his hand. Makes me think that possibly a witness reported it as a man with a gun, so the report is trying to overstress that it was a cell.

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Man, the are REALLY going on and on about the fact Manfredonia had cell phone in his hand. Makes me think that possibly a witness reported it as a man with a gun, so the report is trying to overstress that it was a cell.



Yeah, another Cheshire murders bullshit. It'll never come to the light of day, ever.....

sorry wrong post

And yet MORE efforts to misdirect toward one runner, though they use of the plural pronoun directly afterward contradicts the typist's choice:

"Officer McGowan: “Yea we got him… they’re coming at me down Crestwood.”

Firstly, the audio sounds more like "we got 'em" than "we got him." Secondly, the officer then says "...they're coming at me."

Who in their right mind would choose to interpret the first pronoun as 'him' at that point?

Hey SHILLTARD...listen up






YOU ARE THE LYING PIECE OF SHIT YOU TRAITOR!!!


For America:


In the offical report, it stated the following:

2. Reports by school personnel during the shooting on a 911 call of seeing someone running outside the school while the shooting was ongoing..

Actually they reported 2 shadows runnning past the building - it's on the scanner, omitted from the report.

Our timeline

09:39:13AM : Dispatch (Nute): “Okay I have reports that the teacher saw two shadows running past the building, past the gym, which would be [...] rear…”

0:56



09:39:31AM: Male, breathless: “Yeah, we got ‘em.”

09:39:32AM: Male, excited: “They’re comin’ at me, down Crestwood! “



In the report:


09:39:34 Officer McGowan encounters [BLACKED OUT] running along the east side of SHES. (Newtown radio)

Officer McGowan: “Yea we got him… they’re coming at me down Crestwood.”

Actually Sedensky, it says yeah we got them as in plural. Why would it say THEY are coming at me, after "him" ? Well we have the scanner feeds - LOL

9:40:46 First indication that Officer McGowan has [BLACKED OUT] in custody on the east side of the school near the playground. (Newtown Radio)

Officer McGowan: “67 to S6, do you know if this guy I got here is involved?”

Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Responding units , last known gunshots were in the front of the building.”


9:41:24 Officer McGowan has [BLACKED OUT] prone out on the playground of SHES. First time that information is relayed that there is possibly a second shooter: (Newtown radio)

09:41:24 Officer McGowan: “I need a unit up here, on the playground side, to secure this party.”

9:41:30 Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Do you have that person yes, no?”

9:41:34 Officer McGowan: “I don’t know, I’ve got a party on the side, I have him prone out now.”

9:41:39 Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Roger that, units be aware that we could have a secondary unit.”

9:42:27 Information is relayed again as to the possible location of the shooting within SHES:
(Newtown radio)

Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Responding units again, be advised last known shots were in the front
of the school… maybe the roof.”


9:42:47 Newtown Lt Vanghele and Officer Seabrook arrive at SHES. Newtown Lt Vanghele drives towards front door and Officer Seabrook parks adjacent to second row of cars facing the northwest portion of SHES. (Officer Chapman’s and Officer Seabrook’s video)

09:42:47 Newtown Sgt Kullgren handcuffs [BLACKOUT] . (Officer Seabrook’s Statement)

9:44:33 Officer Chapman and Officer Smith complete a check of the perimeter (west and south side) of the school. Officer Smith stated that he and Officer Chapman made eye contact with Officer McGowan at the rear of the school, where Officer McGowan had [BLACKED OUT] prone out on the ground. Upon realizing that [BLACKED OUT] was not a threat, they both returned back to the front door: (Statements of Officers Chapman and Smith)



From the report we read:

From the time the unknown male was encountered by the Newtown police outside of SHES until after the staff and children were evacuated, all responding law enforcement operated under the belief that there may have been more than one shooter and acted accordingly.

For example, K-9 units were brought in to search the area and officers were posted to act as lookouts to ensure the safety of those evacuating the school building. Some people were located in the areas surrounding the school as the searches and evacuations were taking place. Some of those individuals were treated initially as suspects and handled accordingly, including being handcuffed, until their identities and reason for being there could be determined.

Some of these detentions included:

1. The initial unknown male who turned out to be a parent with a cell telephone in his hand;


2. Two reporters located in the woods around SHES, who were held at gun point by Department of Energy and Environmental Protection (DEEP) police officers until their identities could be determined; and

3. A man from New York who was working in a nearby town and went to SHES after an application on his cell telephone alerted him to the situation at the school. He drove to the firehouse and went up to the school on foot. He was taken from the scene of the school in handcuffs and later to Newtown Police Department. It was later determined that he did not have a connection to the shooting and had gone to SHES to see what was going on.

Note: That makes it 4

.. also Newtown Bee reported a tactical officer apprehended in the woods. Where is that TACTICAL OFFICER IN YOUR LIST OF APPREHENSIONS ??

A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source. (it's so saved as a screenshot)

[link to newtownbee.com]

18 In fact, the possibility that there was more than one shooter remained a consideration beyond December 14, 2012. It was only after potential leads were investigated that investigators became confident that the shooter was not aided in any way by others and that no one knew of the shooter’s plan prior to December 14, 2012.


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of the school in handcuffs and later to Newtown Police Department. It was later determined that he did not have a connection to the shooting and had gone to SHES to see what was going on.





So reporters in the woods...one of them which is RUNNING from Police? WHY would a reporter RUN from Police and the other hide behind a tree?



[link to www.youtube.com]

From the report:


CSP Sgt O’Donnell: “I hear ya, I hear ya..I’m in and out of the building, we have uh, we have uh multiple in the double digits of death here…so it’s not good ..we have..were still clearingrooms..we have one suspect..one suspect down..deceased..but we think there is a second shooter were not sure..there’s multiple casings and magazine clips and weapons all around the building here.”

All AROUND the building??

CSP Lt (MSGT) Davis “…just be advised we may have two shooters and we may have a suspect vehicle that they might have pulled up in..CT

Oh, you leave out where exactly in CT they pulled over that vehicle?

Was it the purple van with people wearing a nun outfit and a ski mask who may have been involved in this incident as stated on the scanner? It was reported that they were stopped (I got news report)



Or was it Rodia who was pulled over also for umm a traffic violation, come on give me the town, and I tell you who of these two possible second suspects you are talking about..

It's simple: only one father is referred to as being cuffed immediately upon police arrival. He's outside the building, not inside. He's cuffed before police even enter the building. And he tried to call 911.

ALL these factors match Manfredonia's own description of what happened. And police later in the day refer to his cuffing, and call him Manfredonia, Christopher.

All the report summary did is confirm what we already knew, but it confirmed it quite strongly.

Now, we could propose a scenario by which Manfredonia is the man secured INSIDE the building. This wouldn't match as many pieces of evidence, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. Nothing's really outside the realm of possibility - that's why these discussions are theories, not sworn statements.

However, to date, Manfredonia is the single best candidate for the 'unknown individual' cuffed by 67 (McGowan), just like Sibley/Holden were the best candidate(s) for the 9:35-ish 911 call describing broken glass.

"CSP Lt (MSGT) Davis “…just be advised we may have two shooters and we may have a suspect vehicle that they might have pulled up in..CT "

Guessing this refers to Honda by building.

CT Police Chiefs Association acknowledges TWO people running:

[link to newtownbee.com]

Though they immediately gloss it to one, after the first mention, and never say what happened to the mysterious second guy.

Hmm. Bill Manfredonia is the director of the Newtown Youth Academy.

[link to opencorporates.com]

This is the facility at which another Mr. M (not Chris) had an altercation in 2012 resulting in an outstanding warrant for his arrest; he remained unarrested for months before finally turning himself in.

If this is former-principal Bill Manfredonia, it adds more curiosity to the Manfredonia theme. Bill worked, hard, with Richard Novia to get Newtown High School to accept a security camera system. Only after many suspicious and catastrophic disasters at the school--after which Novia personally "identified and apprehended" the teenaged suspects--did the BOE fork over the $100,000+ to buy and upkeep the cameras and recording media.

Now Novia is, and remains to date, the single most outspoken "character witness" if you will for Adam Lanza.

Yes it's a small town, but that's such a lot of connections. The wife of the above altercator (divorced) teaches at NHS, and works closely with Lori Hoagland (husband missing since July 2013).

All may be completely unconnected; it's just that that's a lot of activity on one name with connections to SH.

I continue to wonder about the "uncle in the woods" theme at SH that day. One Mr. M running around the school/down Crestwood, the other Mr. M possibly in the woods? With a recent history of being engaged in a fracas?

Sadly this is what happens when investigators don't do their work; everything has to be looked at

Is there any interview with Chris or the others found in the woods/detained other places in the recently released reports?

You're full of it, it showed two people running up the hill, that the cops detained.