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???? Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness. (???)

 
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Frank is an anti pope and not even remotely Catholic...
compare his theology and what he holds to the dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church; His does not compare...
he doesn't hold the teachings of the RCC. BTW, Rome is apostate since 1959 and John XXIII and his Vatican II council...
All of the research has been completed, and is ready for review and study on MHFM.com. Please study every word of it well. God be with you.
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Being the very organization in which was created to thwart the Protestant Reformation - which, by the way, is celebrated on October 31st - it comes to no surprise when he makes statements opposed to Christian fundamentalism. Furthermore, it's rather telling that the spirit of ecumenicalism
is fraudulent when the offer of unity is not extended to a certain sect of Christianity, i.e., Reformed and Evangelical Christian denominations.
 Quoting: Sitting Duck


He is making statements in total contradiction to the Bible as a whole, and particularly to the 10 Commandments, the basis of the Judeo-Christian beliefs.
 Quoting: tiger1


^^THIS^^ Just keep our eyes and ears out for whatever else he says. Majority of the world looks to him for guidance.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


A lot of Catholics are opening their eyes and ears. Conservative Catholics are appalled by what this pope is doing.
 Quoting: tiger1


Matthew 7:15-20
King James Version (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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ALL Christians fall under the same category as far as their religion goes, no matter what they call their various sects. All of it is sickness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48175751


Agreed but right wing fundamentalists are heading to the same place Islam is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49117812


Christians have been way too passive, the message shouldn't be "please ignore the creeping homosexual agenda being pushed on children, please ignore the loss of your culture/religion to foreigners from other nations, please ignore everything & continue to be a pushover."

Extremism is wrong, however today the extremists in power are on the left, not on the right. It's time Christians pushed back, it's time they denounce these "western values" that are not even values but abominations.
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That's what I'm talking about, right there.

They are YOUR values.
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Its in the bible pal, and the bible is the word of God to Christians.
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Frank is an anti pope and not even remotely Catholic...
compare his theology and what he holds to the dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church; His does not compare...
he doesn't hold the teachings of the RCC. BTW, Rome is apostate since 1959 and John XXIII and his Vatican II council...
All of the research has been completed, and is ready for review and study on MHFM.com. Please study every word of it well. God be with you.
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Is there any more prophecy about the Pope, confirming what he is doing or about to do? I've always had this feeling to watch what he says because of end times.
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Whatever! He's not the head of my church. I believe what the bible says only and not man (nor Pope).
 Quoting: Indysmindy


ALL Christians fall under the same category as far as their religion goes, no matter what they call their various sects. All of it is sickness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48175751


Nope your surely wrong. You may believe what you believe about Christianity, but those who truly follow the word of God know better than to say we are all the same. I don't pray to Mary nor look up to the Pope (nor any man). My trust and belief is in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


The other day I found the following

Dreadragon Flame 1 day ago
Unfortunately, the "Jesus" that is being referred to in the Bible is NOT the person for whom the (highly embellished) stories referred to. The name of that individual was actually Emmanuel. The Masonic Order via King James and Lord Byron replaced the name with JeSus, which refers to Je Zeus, and now has people unknowingly worshiping THEIR god Jupiter (Zeus). The insistence that people pray in Jesus' name automatically invokes power to the Masons and does absolutely NOTHING for the individual.
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Dreadragon Flame 1 day ago
Pray to "Christ" as derived from the sacred word "KRYSTALLAH" if you wish to be one with the Christ consciousness, but DO NOT pray to Jesus... THIS is the 'revelation' this is going to rock the faith of millions and is the 'unveiling of truth'.
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so I did some research and found the following
Matthew 1 v 23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 7 v 14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.



The name Jesus has only been around for 300 - 400 years
In the KJV 1611 the name is Iesus
Satan has got his fingers deep inside the Bible, unbelievable deception
The Hebrew name is Yahshua

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[link to www.yhwhremnant.org]

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 Quoting: highwic


Unfortunately, what you missed (or failed to take note of) is a portion you quoted about a virgin giving birth.

It's a lie.

Let's consider one fact that's written in the scriptures: The Most High, when scolding His people, tells them that He does NOT change, He is the same always and forever.

Ok. So we know that part. Now, since He doesn't change, let's consider His law about mixing unlike seed (diverse/different). He says in the Levitical Law that it is NOT lawful to mix unlike seed with unlike seed, and that to do so is punishable.

His people were also instructed to NOT plant seeds of a different species in the same ground plot. They couldn't even interweave threads together to make a garment if that thread came from two different animals.

And since we know those basic things about the Most High, then we know that He would NEVER impregnate a human female to reproduce offspring. In fact, when He made Adam, He did so by hand, the same for Adam's wife.

AND He severely punished certain angels who developed a nasty habit of having intercourse with human females. That's in the scriptures too. Why? Because females are made from earth, and only the seed of a human male can be planted inside of her--NOT the seed of an angel. To do so would mean breaking a Law of nature that the Most High established: seeds that are of a different kind cannot be mixed.

So Christianity's very foundation, of a god impregnating a human female, is just the same old story of angels (gods) fooling around with human females and reproducing a hybrid offspring on this planet. And it is that "son"--the Son of Destruction--that has taken control of this planet even though he knows he is not the rightful ruler of it
(Genesis 3:15).

Christianity can go back into the pits of hell it was pulled out of.
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Well, he should know if his comrades are sick or not; he's a Pope so he's def qualified to gauge whether or not someone else is suffering from his malady.
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Whatever! He's not the head of my church. I believe what the bible says only and not man (nor Pope).
 Quoting: Indysmindy


trusting in paper instead of flesh....interesting
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


HA!

Word of God, not paper!

KJV John 20:29



Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed they that have not seen, and have believed.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


can't one speak the word of God without a book ?
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Whatever! He's not the head of my church. I believe what the bible says only and not man (nor Pope).
 Quoting: Indysmindy


trusting in paper instead of flesh....interesting
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


HA!

Word of God, not paper!

KJV John 20:29



Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed they that have not seen, and have believed.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


can't one speak the word of God without a book ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
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trusting in paper instead of flesh....interesting
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


HA!

Word of God, not paper!

KJV John 20:29



Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed they that have not seen, and have believed.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


can't one speak the word of God without a book ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
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Being the very organization in which was created to thwart the Protestant Reformation - which, by the way, is celebrated on October 31st - it comes to no surprise when he makes statements opposed to Christian fundamentalism. Furthermore, it's rather telling that the spirit of ecumenicalism
is fraudulent when the offer of unity is not extended to a certain sect of Christianity, i.e., Reformed and Evangelical Christian denominations.
 Quoting: Sitting Duck


He is making statements in total contradiction to the Bible as a whole, and particularly to the 10 Commandments, the basis of the Judeo-Christian beliefs.
 Quoting: tiger1


^^THIS^^ Just keep our eyes and ears out for whatever else he says. Majority of the world looks to him for guidance.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


A lot of Catholics are opening their eyes and ears. Conservative Catholics are appalled by what this pope is doing.
 Quoting: tiger1


^^^^^^ This

I'm onto him.
He's a Jesuit Communist in bed with the NWO.
It's becoming clear to me that you can't trust Jesuits.
They're the ones behind Common Core in the Catholic schools too.

Many church-going *true* Catholic's who believe in the catechism are opening up to what this Pope is about everyday.

To those who say, well he's just trying to make money/fill the pews, the people he's saying these things for don't go to Mass or financially support their parish.

He's pushing away most Catholics. Does he want to break the church?

He's the Barack Obama of Catholicism, IMO.
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HA!

Word of God, not paper!

KJV John 20:29



Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed they that have not seen, and have believed.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


can't one speak the word of God without a book ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
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Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness.
During a daily Mass last week, Pope Francis called ideological Christianity “an illness” that doesn’t serve Jesus Christ. Instead, it “frightens” people and pushes them away from religion.
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eyeroll2
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can't one speak the word of God without a book ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
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Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
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Nope.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Nope.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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In the beginning was the word, the spoken word
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Sure, I share the word of God in person, quote it word for word and often refer to it. It's up to the listener to make up his mind to believe it or not.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


If i was to to a foreign country and share what Jesus Christ did for them and they didn't have the bible, but I shared the word of God then they can receive the gift of salvation and know God through prayer.
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You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


Nope.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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In the beginning was the word, the spoken word
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That's right, and the Word became Flesh (John 1).

Jesus = the Word of God = The OT and NT
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that is not what i am asking-- can one speak the word of God without a Bible of any kind whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad

You mean to prophecy, speak the word of God? I believe a person could speak what God has told them to speak. God still speaks through people.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


So one can know God with or without a Bible ? Basically, can one know God without a Bible whatsoever ?
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


If i was to to a foreign country and share what Jesus Christ did for them and they didn't have the bible, but I shared the word of God then they can receive the gift of salvation and know God through prayer.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Jesus Christ had a choice in the matter ? I thought it was his Father who made the sacrifice....least the way I read john 3:16
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Wow!!!



Pope Francis has been very clear about how he feels about ideological purity in religion. He’s been particularly critical of right-wing Christian fundamentalism. Pope Francis has shifted the focus of the Catholic Church to issues facing the poor and the sick. He has railed against economic inequality and has criticized the anti-gay and anti-abortion strains that have come to dominate the Christian Right here in America. Such ideological extremism is dangerous, not only to Christianity, but to the world. And Pope Francis said as much last Thursday.









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Man do i like this guy. From what i keep hearing anyway. It would be so cool to have a good guy at the helm for a change!
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Yeah....this Pope looks like a real threat to humanity....

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Yeah....this Pope looks like a real threat to humanity....

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Well the Huffington Post and the media in general have given their seal of approval so what am I thinking being critical of Pope Francis?

John 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

By all accounts, the MSM and other undesirables such as dear leader are in lurve with this Pope.
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This may be in part why Pope Francis has been described as the "Black Pope" (beyond the possibility he may be the last).

He will further marginalize the TRUTH. The TRUTH is what will set souls free. Not the lukewarm embracing tolerance of UNTRUTH disguised as the agape LOVE of Jesus. Further, Christ came to divide the lambs from the goats and not to unite them under heresy.

Ideology is the basis for the context of religion and dogma. Ideology is the basis for having a moral compass. Ideology is the basis for belief and faith. You cannot separate one from the other. To do so is to begin dismantling the foundations of Christianity itself.
And that is the work of the Devil.
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Forget Jesus, just follow pope in twitter, he will grant you less time in purgatory.

pope
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Being the very organization in which was created to thwart the Protestant Reformation - which, by the way, is celebrated on October 31st - it comes to no surprise when he makes statements opposed to Christian fundamentalism. Furthermore, it's rather telling that the spirit of ecumenicalism
is fraudulent when the offer of unity is not extended to a certain sect of Christianity, i.e., Reformed and Evangelical Christian denominations.
 Quoting: Sitting Duck


I found this quite amusing too.

Queers: c'mon in, there's rainbows all over in Heaven.

Atheists: You're invited too, even if you don't even *believe* in Heaven.

Muzzies: My brother! (please don't blow me up)

Protestants: Nope... still going to hell.

another do
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Wow!!!



Pope Francis has been very clear about how he feels about ideological purity in religion. He’s been particularly critical of right-wing Christian fundamentalism. Pope Francis has shifted the focus of the Catholic Church to issues facing the poor and the sick. He has railed against economic inequality and has criticized the anti-gay and anti-abortion strains that have come to dominate the Christian Right here in America. Such ideological extremism is dangerous, not only to Christianity, but to the world. And Pope Francis said as much last Thursday.









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 Quoting: Indysmindy


his job is Judas goat, get all the happy happy clappy people into that one world religion, it'll accept everybody, oh gimme dat one world religion.......
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Being the very organization in which was created to thwart the Protestant Reformation - which, by the way, is celebrated on October 31st - it comes to no surprise when he makes statements opposed to Christian fundamentalism. Furthermore, it's rather telling that the spirit of ecumenicalism
is fraudulent when the offer of unity is not extended to a certain sect of Christianity, i.e., Reformed and Evangelical Christian denominations.
 Quoting: Sitting Duck


I found this quite amusing too.

Queers: c'mon in, there's rainbows all over in Heaven.

Atheists: You're invited too, even if you don't even *believe* in Heaven.

Muzzies: My brother! (please don't blow me up)

Protestants: Nope... still going to hell.
another do
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ha !!

lol
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fine with me, I'm going to where none of those people are
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Well, he should know if his comrades are sick or not; he's a Pope so he's def qualified to gauge whether or not someone else is suffering from his malady.
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Whatever! He's not the head of my church. I believe what the bible says only and not man (nor Pope).
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Well as the bible was written by a number of men ..you do believe the opinion of a group men....
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It's the word of God I believe that is in the bible. Whenever I hear anyone give a translation of the word of God, I refer to the bible for direct guidance not man's mere interpretation of it. The bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit. God will not be mocked and every word that is in the bible will come true. Look at the signs and wonders now and the prophecy coming to pass.
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I don't think that the whole Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Also, Jesus said that the comforter was to come to men after his departure so distrusting men then involves distrusting Jesus.
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Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness.
During a daily Mass last week, Pope Francis called ideological Christianity “an illness” that doesn’t serve Jesus Christ. Instead, it “frightens” people and pushes them away from religion.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Yeah he is a little more straight forward in his convictions than any other pope.

Also seems the most sensible, right-wing fundamentalism is clearly one of the largest problems in our world today in terms of stability and geo political diplomacy.

Look at the mess the Middle East is in largely due to right-wing fundamentalist religious political movements.

Religitards can deny it all they want....
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Wow!!!



Pope Francis has been very clear about how he feels about ideological purity in religion. He’s been particularly critical of right-wing Christian fundamentalism. Pope Francis has shifted the focus of the Catholic Church to issues facing the poor and the sick. He has railed against economic inequality and has criticized the anti-gay and anti-abortion strains that have come to dominate the Christian Right here in America. Such ideological extremism is dangerous, not only to Christianity, but to the world. And Pope Francis said as much last Thursday.









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 Quoting: Indysmindy


I respect your opinion and perhaps you are much more informed than I am but I'm not so sure he has taken any stance or opinion on anything. He certainly has not formally addressed the Catholic Church in the US. From what I have seen he seems to have a mish-mash of conflicting opinions and imho he is not an articulate pope.

Most popes don't have an opinion on social issues unless they are in conformity with the general Illuminati world view including bankers and corporate heads.

If a pope does have a teaching or opinion Catholic Church doctrine it's generally known & published as something called an "encyclical".

If the Pope is latent Marxist *(he grew up in a socialist household where Mummy & Daddy embraced socialism) I would be adverse to his socio-political philosophy.

This is why I have no trust in the Catholic Church-they are all a bunch of mouth breathers.
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Francis is not criticizing Protestants--he really couldn't care less about them either way. Francis is viciously attacking Pope Benedict!

Disregard the secular media reports, and instead read the Vatican's own article on Francis' controversial homily:

[link to en.radiovaticana.va]
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He reiterated that without prayer, one abandons the faith and descends into ideology and moralism.

Today, the Pope said, Jesus speaks to us about the “image of the [lock]”; it is “the image of those Christians who have the key in their hand, but take it away, without opening the door.” Worse still, “they keep the door closed” and “don’t allow anyone to enter.” In so doing, they themselves do not enter. The “lack of Christian witness does this,” he said, and “when this Christian is a priest, a bishop or a Pope it is worse.” But, the Pope asks, how does it happen that a “Christian falls into this attitude” of keeping the key to the Church in his pocket, with the door closed?

“The faith passes, so to speak, through a distiller and becomes ideology. And ideology does not beckon [people]. In ideologies there is not Jesus: in his tenderness, his love, his meekness. And ideologies are rigid, always. Of every sign: rigid. And when a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought… For this reason Jesus said to them: ‘You have taken away the key of knowledge.’ The knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and also moralistic knowledge, because these close the door with many requirements.”

The Pope continued, Jesus told us: “You burden the shoulders of people [with] many things; only one is necessary.”

The pope continued: “It is one thing to pray, and another thing to say prayers.”

“These do not pray, abandoning the faith and transforming it into moralistic, casuistic ideology, without Jesus.”
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Francis is asserting that Pope Benedict:
- Is "rigid"
- "Has lost the faith"
- "Is no longer a disciple of Jesus"
- Is "without Jesus."

However, Francis is really just showing his own intellectual and moral bankruptcy:

- An ideology, as Wikipedia correctly defines it, is a coherent set of principles that determines one’s goals and actions. Any religion must be an ideology, or it is not a religion at all. The word ideology has developed a somewhat negative connotation only because it is usually and disparagingly applied to people who treat an economic or political theory (e.g., Marxism or capitalism) as their substitute religion. Francis' attack on "ideology" is an assertion, almost in so many words, that Catholicism should not be a religion at all!

- Moralism, according to Merriam-Webster's more recent definition, is an “exaggerated” (!) emphasis on morality. Needless to say, the very concept of an “exaggerated” emphasis on morality can only be held by someone who considers other matters more important. Francis is asserting that Pope Benedict has been emphasizing morality way too much—as if something else deserves priority!

- Francis calls Pope Benedict "rigid" simply because Benedict has firm moral principles, whereas Francis does not.

- Francis attacks Pope Benedict for reciting precomposed prayers such as the Our Father--as if Francis can compose better prayers than Christ Himself!

- Casuistry, in modern usage (according to Wikipedia), has come to mean “a quibbling or evasive way of dealing with difficult cases of duty.” Here, Francis accuses Pope Benedict of exactly what Francis himself is most guilty of. In fact, Francis does that a lot: cynically throwing at others the accusations that could very justly be made about himself. In recent months he has attacked others for "narcissism," "Pelagianism," etc.--words which apply much better to himself.

- Francis deliberately misinterprets Luke 11:52, in which Jesus says, “Woe to you, scholars of the law! You have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not enter and you stopped those trying to enter.” Jesus was not referring to morality here at all, but "knowledge"--i.e., the fact that He was the Messiah. It is Francis who either does not accept Jesus' Messiahship, or considers it unimportant and therefore not worth mentioning to others. After all, Francis says that atheists can get to heaven without bothering to believe in anything beyond their own arrogance.

- Francis deceitfully combines two completely different quotes of Jesus into one. In Luke 11:46, Jesus says, “You impose on people burdens hard to carry, but you yourselves do not lift one finger to touch them.” Jesus is clearly not disrespecting the need for moral precepts; he is merely pointing out that people need help in fulfilling them. In the completely different context of Luke 10:41-42, Jesus says, “Martha, Martha, you are anxious and worried about many things. There is need of only one thing. Mary has chosen the better part and it will not be taken from her.” Jesus is not denying the force of moral law here either. Rather, he is saying that listening to God takes precedence over worldly busy-ness.

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Re: ???? Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness. (???)
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Evangelicals are always trying to convert people to their prehistoric views and power structure. Jews don't do that.

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