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1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?

 
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1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
I'm sure it's twisted, does anyone know?
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh,+ was declared righteous in spirit,+ appeared to angels,+ was preached about among nations,+ was believed upon in the world,+ was received up in glory.’

[link to www.jw.org]
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Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh,+ was declared righteous in spirit,+ appeared to angels,+ was preached about among nations,+ was believed upon in the world,+ was received up in glory.’

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godly devotion?
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I'm sure it's twisted, does anyone know?
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They changed "God" was manifest in flesh to "he" was manifest in the flesh.
Here it is...
NWT- Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh,...’

KJV- And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

Here it is ...
easy to see why the Jehovah’s Witnesses translated this verse as they did since they completely reject that Jesus was “God manifest in the flesh”. It is quite shameful that the NIV and the NASV have followed along with this corrupt work in changing “God” to “He”. Of course “He” appeared in a body, Paul appeared in a body, you appeared in a body, and I appeared in a body. The NIV and the NASV have completely changed the essence of this verse by translating it as “He”. Despite the overwhelming manuscript evidence the NIV and the NASV alter their text to read “He”. Dean Burgon, perhaps the greatest scholar ever, had this to say, “The reading adopted by the revisors, is not found in more than two copies, is not supported by a single version, and is not clearly advocated by a single Father.” I am not going to cover all the evidence for the reading “God”, as found in the KJV, in this essay. I will, however, devote another whole essay to I Tim. 3:16. In it we can look at the reading “God” in much greater detail.
Got that from this link...

[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

They constantly change verses to fit there presupposition that Jesus is Not God.
Here is some good resources!

[link to www.bible.ca]

[link to www.christiandefense.org]
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
I'm sure it's twisted, does anyone know?
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They changed "God" was manifest in flesh to "he" was manifest in the flesh.
Here it is...
NWT- Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh,...’

KJV- And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

Here it is ...
easy to see why the Jehovah’s Witnesses translated this verse as they did since they completely reject that Jesus was “God manifest in the flesh”. It is quite shameful that the NIV and the NASV have followed along with this corrupt work in changing “God” to “He”. Of course “He” appeared in a body, Paul appeared in a body, you appeared in a body, and I appeared in a body. The NIV and the NASV have completely changed the essence of this verse by translating it as “He”. Despite the overwhelming manuscript evidence the NIV and the NASV alter their text to read “He”. Dean Burgon, perhaps the greatest scholar ever, had this to say, “The reading adopted by the revisors, is not found in more than two copies, is not supported by a single version, and is not clearly advocated by a single Father.” I am not going to cover all the evidence for the reading “God”, as found in the KJV, in this essay. I will, however, devote another whole essay to I Tim. 3:16. In it we can look at the reading “God” in much greater detail.
Got that from this link...

[link to www.jesus-is-lord.com]

They constantly change verses to fit there presupposition that Jesus is Not God.
Here is some good resources!

[link to www.bible.ca]

[link to www.christiandefense.org]
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hf
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Well well look what they did in there latest "perversion" that they just came out with.
[link to ca.answers.yahoo.com]
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My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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twisted. sad,



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My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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It's so hard to talk with them. But don't ever give up! Pray, pray, pray!
And ask God to put others in her path.
Here is 2 of my favorite videos dealing with how to talk with them..

[link to m.youtube.com]

[link to m.youtube.com]
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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It's so hard to talk with them. But don't ever give up! Pray, pray, pray!
And ask God to put others in her path.
Here is 2 of my favorite videos dealing with how to talk with them..

[link to m.youtube.com]

[link to m.youtube.com]
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Thank you for that.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
King James version

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.


NIV

16 Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.


The NIV is as perverted as any English version that there is.
If you have a copy, burn it.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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What a load of crap. My sister is a witness and she is always on about jesus.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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What a load of crap. My sister is a witness and she is always on about jesus.
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You don't understand.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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What a load of crap. My sister is a witness and she is always on about jesus.
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You don't understand.
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Well explain it then. You said you cant mention jesus, which is nonsense
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
New Living Translation

Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith[a]:

Christ was revealed in a human body
and vindicated by the Spirit.[c]
He was seen by angels
and announced to the nations.
He was believed in throughout the world
and taken to heaven in glory.

Revised Standard Version

Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion:

He[a] was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated in the Spirit,
seen by angels,
preached among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.


American Standard Version

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.


New American Standard Bible

By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:

He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was [a]vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory.
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My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
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What a load of crap. My sister is a witness and she is always on about jesus.
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to JWs Jesus is just another created being. nothing to be worshipped. all the blahblah is for the door to door public.

watch their wicked changing the word.

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My brother got my mom into the Jehovah witnesses three years ago. I tried so hard to get my mom to listen to the truth, I failed and lost all hope. I can't even mention Jesus around her. Sad, very very sad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33934045


What a load of crap. My sister is a witness and she is always on about jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47969359


to JWs Jesus is just another created being. nothing to be worshipped. all the blahblah is for the door to door public.

watch their wicked changing the word.


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Jesus isnt to be worshipped, read your bible. And jesus isnt god, tard.
Jesus rayed to god
asked god for foregivness
Entuted his spirit to god.
Hands the kingdom back over to god
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
John 14:28

King James Version (KJV)

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


'I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.' (John 20: 17).


Jesus HAD a God lmfao
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King James version

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.


NIV

16 Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.


The NIV is as perverted as any English version that there is.
If you have a copy, burn it.

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Heres the 1599 Geneva Translation,

16 And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness,
which is
, God is
manifested in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit, seen of Angels, preached unto the
Gentiles, believed on in the world,
and
received up in glory.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
John 14:28

King James Version (KJV)

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


'I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.' (John 20: 17).


Jesus HAD a God lmfao
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Most people don't understand the Trinity doctrine and instead confuse it with Modalism.

[link to www.theopedia.com]

Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
I agree about the NIV. My church started giving that version away. That, and a lot of other things convinced me to leave after 29 years. The 2011 NIV is particularly bad.

After that I did a lot of research on Bible versions. There is one inescapable conclusion: King James Pure Cambridge Edition does the best job. I use that and crosscheck with the interliniated Textus Receptus in Greek with literal English translations.

It's truly amazing how many verses are flat omitted from all the "modern" versions. Most of my friends are blind to it and don't care. They think a Bible is a Bible. They're not.

Then I started looking at 501(3)c and the Church. Wow. I had no idea....

I did finally find a good Church. Pastor has guts to. Hits the stuff other pastors are scared of losing their 501(3)c stuff over. Dude freak'n calls a spade a spade. I can see this pastor in the temple side by side with Jesus turning over the moneychangers (bankers?) tables.

And you gotta love a Church that takes Luke 22:36 to heart:

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one".

They have a concealed carry class there at the Church!
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King James version

1 Timothy 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
received up into glory.


NIV

16 Beyond all question,
the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.


The NIV is as perverted as any English version that there is.
If you have a copy, burn it.

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NIV is owned/published by Murdoch/Marduk.
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Re: 1 Timothy 3:16 nwt, whats it say in the Jehovah witnesses fake Bible?
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


The JW that was bugging me was quoting scripture wrong so I did my homework a few years back and found out they wrote their own Bible.

The idiots forgot to change Isaiah 9. I quoted it to the boob and asked why does it say that. He shrieked at me "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IT JUST SAYS THAT", and he bailed into his car and sped off.
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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


The JW that was bugging me was quoting scripture wrong so I did my homework a few years back and found out they wrote their own Bible.

The idiots forgot to change Isaiah 9. I quoted it to the boob and asked why does it say that. He shrieked at me "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IT JUST SAYS THAT", and he bailed into his car and sped off.
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Interesting not the ALMIGHTY God then?
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Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


The JW that was bugging me was quoting scripture wrong so I did my homework a few years back and found out they wrote their own Bible.

The idiots forgot to change Isaiah 9. I quoted it to the boob and asked why does it say that. He shrieked at me "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IT JUST SAYS THAT", and he bailed into his car and sped off.
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Interesting not the ALMIGHTY God then?
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These dumbass religious fucks have NO logic. If you are called mighty then it means you are not ALMIGHTY! So jesus is saying there is someone above him