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Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch

 
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“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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Dear ByFaithAlone, all Praise and Glory be to God Almighty.

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
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The BRANCH is Jesus at His return. In that same day the two witnesses are resurrected, Satan's Babylon is destroyed, all the wicked in the world die and the list given in Re:20:4 is resurrected to life. That is day one of the 1,000 year reign. There is a temple in the Holy Land for the 1,000 years and Jesus alone builds it. It will be the one described in Ezekiel and it is the one in the verses below.

Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa:56:7:
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and,
behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.

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The BRANCH is Jesus at His return. In that same day the two witnesses are resurrected, Satan's Babylon is destroyed, all the wicked in the world die and the list given in Re:20:4 is resurrected to life. That is day one of the 1,000 year reign. There is a temple in the Holy Land for the 1,000 years and Jesus alone builds it. It will be the one described in Ezekiel and it is the one in the verses below.

Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa:56:7:
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and,
behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
 Quoting: MHz


Please allow me to address one issue at a time. First of all, if Jesus is the BRANCH, do you believe He would contradict himself when He says in John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.?

Please explain so I can better understand your position.

Thank you,
RockyMtnLady
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I have never posted a thread before and am frankly very nervous to do so, however, I feel inspired to post this, therefore I choose to comply happily.

I have seen many people being misdirected as to what the "Branch" is in Scripture, both on GLP and around the internet, thus, I feel the need to articulate the truth, in accordance with Scripture, the best I can.

Many people and scholars argue that the "Branch" is the Messiah, however this is a grave error. Despite what Jesus says in John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." And, what He says in John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.", many people have been leading others to believe that Jesus Christ was simply a Branch. Please pray about this and check Scripture.

In order to understand the significance of this misinterpretation, it is necessary to consult Isaiah 11:1: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins."

You see, Jesus Christ is the rod out of the stem of Jesse, whereas the Branch is the servant of God who is foretold in Zech 6:12-13:

"And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."

Branch is a certain servant of God, namely the man child in Rev 12:5, for he grows out of the roots of the rod (Jesus Christ), which means that he comes after the the true apostolic church has been ruined by the Antichrist (those many false teachers (2 John 7). Only the roots of the church are left, from where he comes, i.e the uncorrupted words of Holy Scripture.

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: rockymtnlady


Very interesting.

Could this branch be the Great Catholic Monarch who has been prophesied for centuries?

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Please allow me to address one issue at a time. First of all, if Jesus is the BRANCH, do you believe He would contradict himself when He says in John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.?

Please explain so I can better understand your position.

Thank you,
RockyMtnLady
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Why would you assume all references to branches are a reference to the term that is in all CAPS? The term Lord can mean anybody with authority over you, LORD is specific to the one true God. Even Jesus was a 'branch of the 12 tribes, that doesn't mean it ended there, He is also the only branch of God in that God is the father and Christ is the son.
No temple construction is mentioned in relation to the branches you mention yet there are many that say there will be a temple for the 1,000 year reign and it is one built without human hands.

Jesus is the only person to grow up outside of His 'home', which for Jesus is the 3rd heaven.

"shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: "

That either has to be Christ or Satan.

2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

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Waterman,

You only take pieces of Scripture and thus, you distort the meaning in your thread. For instance, you quote Zechariah 6: 12-13, and you leave out the context of the Scripture and thus, lead people to the incorrect conclusion.

Zechariah 6:11:
11Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jozadak.d 12Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord. 13It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’

This is God Almighty PRESENTING Joshua the priest with the BRANCH. There will be "harmony between the two" indicates there will be harmony between Joshua, the Priest (One of the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3) and the BRANCH.

RockyMtnLady
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Please allow me to address one issue at a time. First of all, if Jesus is the BRANCH, do you believe He would contradict himself when He says in John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.?

Please explain so I can better understand your position.

Thank you,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: rockymtnlady

Why would you assume all references to branches are a reference to the term that is in all CAPS? The term Lord can mean anybody with authority over you, LORD is specific to the one true God. Even Jesus was a 'branch of the 12 tribes, that doesn't mean it ended there, He is also the only branch of God in that God is the father and Christ is the son.
No temple construction is mentioned in relation to the branches you mention yet there are many that say there will be a temple for the 1,000 year reign and it is one built without human hands.

Jesus is the only person to grow up outside of His 'home', which for Jesus is the 3rd heaven.

"shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: "

That either has to be Christ or Satan.

2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
 Quoting: MHz


I will give you this....you certainly have imagination.

"Even Jesus was a 'branch of the 12 tribes, that doesn't mean it ended there, He is also the only branch of God in that God is the father and Christ is the son."

Scriptures to support this, please.

"Jesus is the only person to grow up outside of His 'home', which for Jesus is the 3rd heaven."

Scriptures to support this, please.

Thank you,
RockyMtnLady
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I have never posted a thread before and am frankly very nervous to do so, however, I feel inspired to post this, therefore I choose to comply happily.

I have seen many people being misdirected as to what the "Branch" is in Scripture, both on GLP and around the internet, thus, I feel the need to articulate the truth, in accordance with Scripture, the best I can.

Many people and scholars argue that the "Branch" is the Messiah, however this is a grave error. Despite what Jesus says in John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." And, what He says in John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.", many people have been leading others to believe that Jesus Christ was simply a Branch. Please pray about this and check Scripture.

In order to understand the significance of this misinterpretation, it is necessary to consult Isaiah 11:1: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins."

You see, Jesus Christ is the rod out of the stem of Jesse, whereas the Branch is the servant of God who is foretold in Zech 6:12-13:

"And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."

Branch is a certain servant of God, namely the man child in Rev 12:5, for he grows out of the roots of the rod (Jesus Christ), which means that he comes after the the true apostolic church has been ruined by the Antichrist (those many false teachers (2 John 7). Only the roots of the church are left, from where he comes, i.e the uncorrupted words of Holy Scripture.

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: rockymtnlady


Very interesting.

Could this branch be the Great Catholic Monarch who has been prophesied for centuries?

martel1
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Hello Freak Observer,

No, this branch certainly won't be from Babylon nor False Christianity. This branch will be a group of souls and hearts from all over the world that believe in the everlasting gospel. There will be 144,000 souls and hearts that make up this group.

RockyMtnLady
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1There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots. 2The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. 3His delight is in the fear of the Lord, And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, Nor decide by the hearing of His ears; 4But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, And decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. 5Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, And faithfulness the belt of His waist. 6“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den. 9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord As the waters cover the sea. 10“And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious.” 11It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. 12He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth. 13Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart, And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, And Judah shall not harass Ephraim. 14But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west; Together they shall plunder the people of the East; They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab; And the people of Ammon shall obey them. 15The Lord will utterly destroya the tongue of the Sea of Egypt; With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over the River,b And strike it in the seven streams, And make men cross over dry-shod. 16There will be a highway for the remnant of His people Who will be left from Assyria, As it was for Israel In the day that he came up from the land of Egypt.

That is a Messianic Prophecy. Some would say it referred to King David but the part I have bolded says otherwise. It has nothing to do with the two witnesses. Your interpretation is false.
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I will give you this....you certainly have imagination.

"Even Jesus was a 'branch of the 12 tribes, that doesn't mean it ended there, He is also the only branch of God in that God is the father and Christ is the son."

Scriptures to support this, please.

"Jesus is the only person to grow up outside of His 'home', which for Jesus is the 3rd heaven."

Scriptures to support this, please.

Thank you,
RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: rockymtnlady

The passages keep the imagination at bay.

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb:12:24:
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

1Jo:5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Joh:3:13:
And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Isa:53:2:
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,
and as a root out of a dry ground:
he hath no form nor comeliness;
and when we shall see him,
there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Zec:6:12:
And speak unto him,
saying,
Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts,
saying,
Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH;
and he shall grow up out of his place,
and he shall build the temple of the LORD:



Re:12 is based on Ge:3 and the first woman mentioned is Eve and the pain mentioned is what God determined that day. The 2nd woman mentioned is Mary, mother of Jesus and the event it covers is the cross, the completion of all things associated with the bruise to the heel. The last woman in Re:12 is the ones that will be protected so they see the return with their own eyes and that return is the completion of all things associated with the bruise to the head in Ge:3:15.

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Isaiah 11


1There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse, And a Branch shall grow out of his roots. 2The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. 3His delight is in the fear of the Lord, And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, Nor decide by the hearing of His ears; 4But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, And decide with equity for the meek of the earth; He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. 5Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins, And faithfulness the belt of His waist. 6“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den. 9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord As the waters cover the sea. 10“And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious.” 11It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea. 12He will set up a banner for the nations, And will assemble the outcasts of Israel, And gather together the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth. 13Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart, And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, And Judah shall not harass Ephraim. 14But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west; Together they shall plunder the people of the East; They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab; And the people of Ammon shall obey them. 15The Lord will utterly destroya the tongue of the Sea of Egypt; With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over the River,b And strike it in the seven streams, And make men cross over dry-shod. 16There will be a highway for the remnant of His people Who will be left from Assyria, As it was for Israel In the day that he came up from the land of Egypt.

That is a Messianic Prophecy. Some would say it referred to King David but the part I have bolded says otherwise. It has nothing to do with the two witnesses. Your interpretation is false.
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We were talking about Jesus Christ in Isaiah 11:1: And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. I said nothing about the Two Witnesses of Rev 11.3 from my original post regarding this passage.

And, I should point out to the readers that you have been banned several times from this website. You keep changing your IP address to "fool" the moderators to let you back in.

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But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
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Zechariah 6:12-13

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12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

It refers to Joshua the High Priest. The Prophecy was already fulfilled.
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And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Zachariah 3:2
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No, this branch certainly won't be from Babylon nor False Christianity. This branch will be a group of souls and hearts from all over the world that believe in the everlasting gospel. There will be 144,000 souls and hearts that make up this group.

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The 144,000 are a remnant of the 12 tribes, they do not have any mission or power in the time they are sealed. The only ones that have power in the 3 1/2 years before their return are the two witnesses.

Re:12:17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
.

Re:11:3-7:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
Re:11:4:
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Re:11:5:
And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.
Re:11:6:
These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues,
as often as they will.
Re:11:7:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.

The 144,000 are the 'small in number' from the verse below and if they were not protected in that time the dragon is hunting people they also would die before the return.

Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
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You have falsely linked the two witnesses of Revelation 11:3 with the Branch who is long dead now since the Branch was Joshua the high priest.
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"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, his hands shall also finish it; and thou(you) shall know that the Lord of hosts have sent me unto you."
Zechariah 4:9

"In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord of hosts."
Haggai 2:23
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Do you believe the Two witnesses of Rev. 11.3 are called Joshua and Zerubbabel?

That is what the Spirit has given me as truth.

May God Bless you, my friend,
RockyMtnLady
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Joshua is clothed in filthy garments in Zechariah 3:3

The two witnesses are clothed in sackcloth in Revelation 11:3
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No, this branch certainly won't be from Babylon nor False Christianity. This branch will be a group of souls and hearts from all over the world that believe in the everlasting gospel. There will be 144,000 souls and hearts that make up this group.

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The 144,000 are a remnant of the 12 tribes, they do not have any mission or power in the time they are sealed. The only ones that have power in the 3 1/2 years before their return are the two witnesses.

Re:12:17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
.

Re:11:3-7:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
Re:11:4:
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Re:11:5:
And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.
Re:11:6:
These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues,
as often as they will.
Re:11:7:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.

The 144,000 are the 'small in number' from the verse below and if they were not protected in that time the dragon is hunting people they also would die before the return.

Eze:39:23:
And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity:
because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them,
and gave them into the hand of their enemies:
so fell they all by the sword.

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
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The time of the sealing of the 144,000 is right now. The Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3 are here. Their "clock" hasn't yet begun. We are currently living in the time of the Sixth Seal and the Sixth trumpet.

Maybe this will give you some guidance.

RockyMtnLady
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"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, his hands shall also finish it; and thou(you) shall know that the Lord of hosts have sent me unto you."
Zechariah 4:9

"In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a sinet: for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord of hosts."
Haggai 2:23
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Do you believe the Two witnesses of Rev. 11.3 are called Joshua and Zerubbabel?

That is what the Spirit has given me as truth.

May God Bless you, my friend,
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I wanted to expand on my comment as nothing can be related as truth unless it is accordance with Holy Scripture. Pertaining to the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3, this is what Scripture tells us:

Revelation 11.3:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

This coincides with Zechariah 3 & 4:

Zechariah 3
3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. 4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. 5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by. 6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. 8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch. 9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. 10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Zechariah 4
4 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Additionally, the Two Witnesses of Rev.11.3 are symbolized by the the two cherubim in the inner temple. I will discuss this more in depth on my next post.

As I began to delve into a deep discipline of reading, meditating on, and praying about Holy Scripture, I began to notice the importance of BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament. I pray you will also see this significance.

May God Bless you,
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Yawn. It's a well know fact by those who actually have eyes that see that the book of Zachariah speaks of the two witnesses. Hardly a great discovery. In fact, I have spoken of these things many times on the two witness thread.
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I have never posted a thread before and am frankly very nervous to do so, however, I feel inspired to post this, therefore I choose to comply happily.

I have seen many people being misdirected as to what the "Branch" is in Scripture, both on GLP and around the internet, thus, I feel the need to articulate the truth, in accordance with Scripture, the best I can.

Many people and scholars argue that the "Branch" is the Messiah, however this is a grave error. Despite what Jesus says in John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." And, what He says in John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.", many people have been leading others to believe that Jesus Christ was simply a Branch. Please pray about this and check Scripture.

In order to understand the significance of this misinterpretation, it is necessary to consult Isaiah 11:1: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots. And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord. And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears. But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins."

You see, Jesus Christ is the rod out of the stem of Jesse, whereas the Branch is the servant of God who is foretold in Zech 6:12-13:

"And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both."

Branch is a certain servant of God, namely the man child in Rev 12:5, for he grows out of the roots of the rod (Jesus Christ), which means that he comes after the the true apostolic church has been ruined by the Antichrist (those many false teachers (2 John 7). Only the roots of the church are left, from where he comes, i.e the uncorrupted words of Holy Scripture.

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
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Very interesting.

Could this branch be the Great Catholic Monarch who has been prophesied for centuries?

:martel1:
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Hello Freak Observer,

No, this branch certainly won't be from Babylon nor False Christianity. This branch will be a group of souls and hearts from all over the world that believe in the everlasting gospel. There will be 144,000 souls and hearts that make up this group.

RockyMtnLady
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What utter non-biblical rubbish.
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"The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house, his hands shall also finish it; and thou(you) shall know that the Lord of hosts have sent me unto you."
Zechariah 4:9

"In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the Lord of hosts."
Haggai 2:23
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Do you believe the Two witnesses of Rev. 11.3 are called Joshua and Zerubbabel?

That is what the Spirit has given me as truth.

May God Bless you, my friend,
RockyMtnLady
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Joshua is clothed in filthy garments in Zechariah 3:3

The two witnesses are clothed in sackcloth in Revelation 11:3
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You are correct, Friend. But, keep reading....

The angel said to those who were standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes." Then he said to Joshua, "See, I have taken away your sin, and I will put fine garments on you." (Zechariah 3:4)

May God Bless you,
RockyMtnLady
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Beware people, this false teacher champion another gospel that belongs to a false prophet from norway and this is what Saul says about it,

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

Don't become accursed with either Ahab(False prophet from norway) or Jezebel(The OP)!!!
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It refers to Joshua the High Priest. The Prophecy was already fulfilled.
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Well the valley and river that go with that building are missing.

Zec:14:4:
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
which is before Jerusalem on the east,
and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec:14:5:
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
yea,
ye shall flee,
like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come,
and all the saints with thee.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and, behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward,
and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward;
and,
behold,
there ran out waters on the right side.
And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward,
he measured a thousand cubits,
and he brought me through the waters;
the waters were to the ancles.
Again he measured a thousand,
and brought me through the waters;
the waters were to the knees.
Again he measured a thousand,
and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Afterward he measured a thousand;
and it was a river that I could not pass over:
for the waters were risen,
waters to swim in,
a river that could not be passed over.
And he said unto me,
Son of man, hast thou seen this?
Then he brought me,
and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Now when I had returned,
behold,
at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Then said he unto me,
These waters issue out toward the east country,
and go down into the desert,
and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea,
the waters shall be healed.
And it shall come to pass,
that every thing that liveth,
which moveth,
whithersoever the rivers shall come,
shall live:
and there shall be a very great multitude of fish,
because these waters shall come thither:
for they shall be healed;
and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
And it shall come to pass,
that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim;
they shall be a place to spread forth nets;
their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea,
exceeding many.
But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed;
they shall be given to salt.
And by the river upon the bank thereof,
on this side and on that side,
shall grow all trees for meat,
whose leaf shall not fade,
neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed:
it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary:
and the fruit thereof shall be for meat,
and the leaf thereof for medicine.
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Beware people, this false teacher champion another gospel that belongs to a false prophet from norway and this is what Saul says about it,

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

Don't become accursed with either Ahab(False prophet from norway) or Jezebel(The OP)!!!
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I could easily ban this liar from this thread....for, the moderators already know about his antics. But, I am not ashamed or scared of his claims. I am firm in the foundation of Holy Scripture and my Saviour, Jesus Christ.

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It refers to Joshua the High Priest. The Prophecy was already fulfilled.
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Well the valley and river that go with that building are missing.

Zec:14:4:
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
which is before Jerusalem on the east,
and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec:14:5:
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
yea,
ye shall flee,
like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come,
and all the saints with thee.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and, behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward,
and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward;
and,
behold,
there ran out waters on the right side.
And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward,
he measured a thousand cubits,
and he brought me through the waters;
the waters were to the ancles.
Again he measured a thousand,
and brought me through the waters;
the waters were to the knees.
Again he measured a thousand,
and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Afterward he measured a thousand;
and it was a river that I could not pass over:
for the waters were risen,
waters to swim in,
a river that could not be passed over.
And he said unto me,
Son of man, hast thou seen this?
Then he brought me,
and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Now when I had returned,
behold,
at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Then said he unto me,
These waters issue out toward the east country,
and go down into the desert,
and go into the sea:
which being brought forth into the sea,
the waters shall be healed.
And it shall come to pass,
that every thing that liveth,
which moveth,
whithersoever the rivers shall come,
shall live:
and there shall be a very great multitude of fish,
because these waters shall come thither:
for they shall be healed;
and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
And it shall come to pass,
that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim;
they shall be a place to spread forth nets;
their fish shall be according to their kinds,
as the fish of the great sea,
exceeding many.
But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed;
they shall be given to salt.
And by the river upon the bank thereof,
on this side and on that side,
shall grow all trees for meat,
whose leaf shall not fade,
neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed:
it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary:
and the fruit thereof shall be for meat,
and the leaf thereof for medicine.
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That refers to the Messiah, not Joshua the high priest who is long dead.
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Beware people, this false teacher champion another gospel that belongs to a false prophet from norway and this is what Saul says about it,

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

Don't become accursed with either Ahab(False prophet from norway) or Jezebel(The OP)!!!
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I could easily ban this liar from this thread....for, the moderators already know about his antics. But, I am not ashamed or scared of his claims. I am firm in the foundation of Holy Scripture and my Saviour, Jesus Christ.

RockyMtnLady
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So what? Do you think that would stop me from exposing you and your lies? Yes, you might be firm in your lies but the Truth always wins out and you will be ashamed in the end.
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Seems a reference to the Living Sacrifice, if mankind is to share heaven with God they will have to learn to feed off Him spiritually in a very physical way.

Source to Source energy, SELF to Self, the Spirit that dwells within His Eternal Flesh feeding the Spirit in your Eternal Flesh for all of Eternity.

These are why the Interdimensional Seals are so important to the One's Eternal Flesh.

So he can go thru dimensions and not get stuck in all of them in the Macrocasim, this is why Incarnations were chosen in the microcasim.
The Self-Annointed Golden Elohim; Israel's Foresaken.
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And yes my ip changes. It changes whenever my modem resets which is quite a lot because I have a bad internet connection at times and there are many on this site with the same circumstances. Whoopty doo.

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