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Before no. Now yes. It's not a few numbers, everything matches up perfectly. We know only Yahweh is perfect. The mathematical odds are impossible. Not only did He tell my mother my sex He told Her to allow my dad to name me. I shouldn't of been born as the day my dad was suppose to have a vasectomy Yahweh broke the ankle of the urologist while playing tennis.

How does Yahweh confirm this ? I have had several doubled visions <read Joseph and Egypt to understand doubling of visions> that used two Urologist that I work with with very exact meanings.

The female He named Cybele in my vision <research Vatican Hill as it was the Cybele Church> she was one of the urologist

The other urologist that is another story.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


You are no more special than any one of us. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Many people on this site think they are special.

Folks, live the everlasting gospel and you will find salvation. Period.

All this numerology business is Satan's deception.

RockyMtnLady
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Once your sacrifice has been salted with salt, you will be acceptable for Jesus Christ to live within you (as you will not have another spiritual "husband" aka. the old man, your sinful nature) Christ's blood covers your sins at this point.

You will then have the Spirit of God within you through Jesus Christ and He will begin to use you as a Light for others.

Don't be deceived by this numerology, mysticism.

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No. I don't want that spirit created by the false church Rome as they created Him.

Jesus means Ishtar Pig

Pay respect to the messiah if you love Him by calling Him by the name His Father, Yahweh, declared Gabriel to give to Mary and Joseph

My Savior was declared by Yahshua, The Messiah, and His name is Yahweh. Yahweh is my God and Savior just like Isaiah declares.
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You have lost your way.Get over yourself, "Gabriel".


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Pay respect to the messiah if you love Him by calling Him by the name His Father, Yahweh, declared Gabriel to give to Mary and Joseph

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Yahweh = Son or Son God

Elohim = Father or Father God

Yahweh or LORD God first appears in Genesis 2:4

Yahweh is not the same as Elohim who is the God in the first 33 verses of the Bibles or Torahs

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Pay respect to the messiah if you love Him by calling Him by the name His Father, Yahweh, declared Gabriel to give to Mary and Joseph

 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Yahweh = Son or Son God

Elohim = Father or Father God

Yahweh or LORD God first appears in Genesis 2:4

Yahweh is the same as Elohim who is the God in the first 33 verses of the Bibles or Torahs
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Actual Lord is a title that refers to Baal.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Some scripture to help address your question also.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

John 16
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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Pay respect to the messiah if you love Him by calling Him by the name His Father, Yahweh, declared Gabriel to give to Mary and Joseph

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Yahweh = Son or Son God

Elohim = Father or Father God

Yahweh or LORD God first appears in Genesis 2:4

Yahweh is not the same as Elohim who is the God in the first 33 verses of the Bibles or Torahs
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Actual Lord is a title that refers to Baal.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


LORD God is the same as Yahweh in Genesis 2:4

both are Son God, neither LORD God or Yahweh are the Father
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Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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D- you have mail again

Some scripture to help address your question also.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

John 16
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
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Interesting!
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Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.
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correct, Yahweh or YHWH = LORD God or Son God basically

Yahweh is not the creator in Genesis 1:1, that is Elohim

Yahweh first appears in Genesis 2:4
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Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.
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I know the name of God Almighty and my Saviour.

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Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.
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correct, Yahweh or YHWH = LORD God or Son God basically

Yahweh is not the creator in Genesis 1:1, that is Elohim

Yahweh first appears in Genesis 2:4
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


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The Encyclopedia Britanica, Volume 23, page 867, confirms the fact that the proper, original Name Yahweh was replaced with common substitutes:
YAHWEH, the proper name of the God of Israel; it is composed of four consonants (YHWH) in Hebrew and is therefore called the tetragrammaton...The name Yahweh later ceased to be used by the Jews for two somewhat contradictory reasons. As Judaism began to become a universal religion, the proper name Yahweh tended to be replaced by the common noun Elohim, meaning "God," which could apply to foreign deities and therefore could be used to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered, for fear of profanation, and in the synagogue ritual it was replaced by Adonai ("my Lord"), which was translated Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint. The occurence of the four sacred letters in the text of the Bible itself could not be thus replaced, but the same fear of profanation caused Masoretes (6th-8th centuries a.d.) to change the pronunciation by replacing the vowels (which in Hebrew are marked beneath or above the consonants if not omitted altogether) with the vowels of Adonai (or, more rarely, the vowels of Elohim).
Remember, only those who call on the Name YHVH will be saved... and Adonai/LORD IS NOT that name, where only Yahshua literally calls on YHVH for salvation!
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.
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Why are you on this thread? To do self promotion of what you "know" to corral a set of followers who believe you are One of the Two Witnesses (Gabriel)?

That's it. Right? You have not added any light to this thread.

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Baal = LORD = ADONAI

Baal, also rendered Ba&#703;al (Biblical Hebrew &#1489;&#1506;&#1500;, pronounced [&#712;ba&#661;al]), is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord" that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian B&#275;lu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal.
"Ba&#703;al" can refer to any god and even to human officials. In some texts it is used for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba&#8219;al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Ba&#703;al" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven, but rather refer to any number of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called ba&#703;al and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".

The literal name of Satan, Ba'al Zeebub or Beelzabub means "LORD of the flies" again demonstrating that LORD and Adonai do not address YHVH but rather Satan. Beelzebub (pron.: /bi&#720;&#712;&#603;lz&#616;b&#652;b/ bee-el-z&#601;-bub or /&#712;bi&#720;lz&#616;b&#652;b/ beel-z&#601;-bub; (Hebrew: &#1489;&#1506;&#1500; &#1494;&#1489;&#1493;&#1489;, Ba&#703;al Z&#601;vûv Arabic: &#1576;&#1593;&#1604; &#1575;&#1604;&#1584;&#1576;&#1575;&#1576;&#8206;, Ba‘al az-Zubab;, literally "Lord of the Flies"; Greek: &#914;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#950;&#949;&#946;&#959;&#973;&#955;,​ Velzevoúl; Latin: Beelzeb&#363;b), with numerous archaic variants,[1] is a Semitic deity that was worshiped in the Philistine city of Ekron. In later Christian and Biblical sources, he is referred to as another name for Satan,[2] and in demonology, is one of the seven princes of Hell. The source for the name Ba‘al Zebûb / Beelzebub is in 2 Kings 1:2-3, 6, 16, where King Ahaziah of Israel, after seriously injuring himself in a fall, sends messengers to inquire of Ba‘al Zebûb, the god of the Philistine city of Ekron, to learn if he will recover.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Joe_2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

This is talking about the same thing as Rev 11:2

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The heathen (Gentiles) rule over them. The outer court given to the Gentiles (heathens) Same thing.

The 42 months is a metaphor, it is not 3 1/2 years, the tribulation takes a lot longer than that to accomplish what god is accomplishing as he threshes his people.

Deception is the threshing floor that God uses to seperate his flock, his sheep hear his voice his sheep are not deceived.
 Quoting: OutofHer


The great tribulation is detailed in Isa 24, and we are certainly not in it yet.

Currently, the living God is sealing his 144,000 saints. Revelation 7:2-3. After this occurs, the angels that are bound at the river Euphrates will be loosed.

The next to happen in Scripture, that people should be looking for, is the appearance of the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3.

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Well I see the 2 witnesses are here, the people that have "come out" of the organized system, Babylon, Mystery Babylon, just like Joshua and Zerubabbel. In order to preach the everlasting gospel, the gospel of the kingdom you have to be in it. Are you? One thing I cringe at these days is when someone says "we're all sinners" When we get truely saved you forsake sin. The false gospel that says we are saved in our sin is the heart of the great falling away that we are at the tail end of. This thing clearly come to an end. I see it tied dirrectly to the Babylonian Captiviy, it runs twice, Jacobs Trouble. This time the second run which I see dircetly connected to the Nation State of Israel. Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
"Standing where it ought not"

The abomination of desolation is the counterfiet Israel. It is the time stamp of where we are. The 2 witnesses are everywhere right now, they are the ones who are waking up and sharing the truth, scripture revealed to them in the spirit, the Lord gives spiritual understand that opens the scripture and it's cryptic message hidden under the layer of the physical. Zep_3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
The pure language is the spiritual language the natural man can not understand. This is how God veils his mysteries. Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This is all happening now. The 2 witnesses are the people in the church that wake up and come out, they "see" the abomination written of by the prophet Daniel. What is that?

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This has all happened, it's been forming for a long time but the perfect storm came together in 1948. Everything came together in 1948.

Now this is me, I can't convince anyone of this and I won't try but I had an experience while studying that I felt just like Daniel when he understood what Jeremiah had prophecied realizing the reason for the Babylonian captivity.

I am not making myself out to be anyone special I just see this and I talk about it that's it. In Zechariah it talks about the 70 years but It is talking about the second time. Jacobs trouble the second time. Everything runs twice this you can be sure. once in the physical in the old testament and it reruns in the spiritual in the New Testament era.

Zec 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This is talking about today, it's talking about the indignation of the Lord, the tribulation, Jacobs Trouble, it began in 1948. That's when the deception carried the church into captivity.

The remnant that "come out" of Babylon is happening now,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The plagues are the false doctrine, Rev 9

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

one at a time people are waking up, they "see" the abomination of desolation which really is the sacrifice being taken out of the way. This has happened the false gospel telling people they are saved when they say the sinners prayer is not the gospel, it a form of godliness wtih now power, no power to overcome sin. This is why the corporate church is a disaster. The sacrifice has ceased,

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

This is not happening in these 3 ring circus churches, the daily sacrifice has ceased. The people have been carried away by the flood, carried away by deception, taken into captivity. This time Babylon is spiritual Mystery Babylon. it's only when God reveals it to you do you see it. This is when you make it past the second death, the second woe. This is when you enter into the kingdom. It's all there in Rev 11 and it's happening to many of us here and all over this internet.

People are waking up, they are getting truely filled with the Holy Spirit but it only happens when they 'come out her my people" This is happening right now and I submit many here are one of them. I don't know exactly where we are as this happens on an individual basis and then ultimately corporately.

Bottom line is Satans biggest trick is keeping us looking ahead for what has already happened. We are so brainwashe by the corporate church.

2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Make merchandise of you, no one can buy or sell, this has all happened you can not participate in the harlot church without the mark of the beast.

It's all happened.

If the abomination of desolation is the "setting up" of the counterfeit Israel in 1948, how long till the 70 year captivity is over.

It happens in 2 waves as I see it. The former rain moderately, which I see happened a few years ago, this is what I believe was the awakening we saw 4 or 5 years ago. but then it stops, the long period of "no rain" Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

It rains not in the days of their prophecy. This would be the deer in the headlights look from anyone you're trying to share the real gospel with, in the church. They are scared to death of you, right?

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

They kill the 2 witnesses, (the royal priesthood of true believers)

kill
G615
(to slay); to kill outright; figuratively to destroy: - put to death, kill, slay.

Literal or figurative.

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

synagogue is church.

This is talking about the people right now that are getting kicked out of the Seeker friendly or signs and wonders churches after God wakes them up to the apostasy.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

It happened to me. I woke up and 9 months later I was kicked out of my church they said you have so much fear in your message.

"and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

The 2 witnesses are the early phase of the waking of Israel, the church. Read Zechariah and realize it's talking about the church and this will all make sense.

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sure, more information about Yahweh or YHWH, the Son God

again though, Yahweh or YHWH is not the God in Genesis 1:1
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Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

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math of 11:11 and 3 1/2
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Joe_2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

This is talking about the same thing as Rev 11:2

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The heathen (Gentiles) rule over them. The outer court given to the Gentiles (heathens) Same thing.

The 42 months is a metaphor, it is not 3 1/2 years, the tribulation takes a lot longer than that to accomplish what god is accomplishing as he threshes his people.

Deception is the threshing floor that God uses to seperate his flock, his sheep hear his voice his sheep are not deceived.
 Quoting: OutofHer


The great tribulation is detailed in Isa 24, and we are certainly not in it yet.

Currently, the living God is sealing his 144,000 saints. Revelation 7:2-3. After this occurs, the angels that are bound at the river Euphrates will be loosed.

The next to happen in Scripture, that people should be looking for, is the appearance of the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3.

RockyMtnLady
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Well I see the 2 witnesses are here, the people that have "come out" of the organized system, Babylon, Mystery Babylon, just like Joshua and Zerubabbel. In order to preach the everlasting gospel, the gospel of the kingdom you have to be in it. Are you? One thing I cringe at these days is when someone says "we're all sinners" When we get truely saved you forsake sin. The false gospel that says we are saved in our sin is the heart of the great falling away that we are at the tail end of. This thing clearly come to an end. I see it tied dirrectly to the Babylonian Captiviy, it runs twice, Jacobs Trouble. This time the second run which I see dircetly connected to the Nation State of Israel. Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
"Standing where it ought not"

The abomination of desolation is the counterfiet Israel. It is the time stamp of where we are. The 2 witnesses are everywhere right now, they are the ones who are waking up and sharing the truth, scripture revealed to them in the spirit, the Lord gives spiritual understand that opens the scripture and it's cryptic message hidden under the layer of the physical. Zep_3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
The pure language is the spiritual language the natural man can not understand. This is how god veils his mysteries. Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This is all happening now. The 2 witnesses are the people in the church that wake up and come out, they "see" the abomination written of by the prophet Daniel. What is that?

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This has all happened, it's been forming for a long time but the perfect storm came together in 1948. Everything came together in 1948.

now this is me, I can't convince anyone of this and I won't try but I had an experience while studying that I felt just like Daniel when he understood what Jeremiah had prophecied realizing the reason for the Babylonian captivity.

I am not making myself out to be anyone special I just see this and I talk about it that's it. In Zecariah it talks about the 70 years but It is talking about the second time. Jocabs trouble te second time. Everyhting runs twice this you can be sure. ns inthe physical in the old testament and it reruns in the spiritual inthe New Testament era.

Zec 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This is talking about today, it's talking about the indignation of the Lord, the tribulation, Jacobs Trouble, it began in 1948. That's when the deception carried the church into captivity. Again I'm not trying to convince anyone of this I'm telling you what I see.

I believe the remnant that "come out" of Babylon is happening now, one at a time people are waking up, they "see" the abomination of desolation which really is the sacrifice being taken out of the way. This has happened the false gospel telling people they are saved when they say the sinners prayer is not the gospel, it a form of godliness wtih now power, no power to overcome sin. This is why the corporate church is a disaster. The people have been carried away by the flood, carried away by deception, taken into captivity. This time Babylon is spiritual Mystery Babylon. it's only when God reveals it to you do you see it. This is when you make it past the second death, the second woe. This is when you enter into the kingdom. It's all there in Rev 11 and it's happening to many of us here and all over this internet.

People are waking up, they are getting truely filled with the Holy Spirit but it only happens when they 'come out her my people" This is happening right now and I submit many here are one of them. I don't know exactly where we are as this happens on an individual basis and then ultimately corporately.

Bottom line is Satans biggest trick is keeping us looking ahead for what has already happened. We are so brainwashe by the corporate church.

2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Make merchandise of you, no one can buy or sell, this has all happened you can not participate in the harlot church without the mark of the beast.

It's all happened.

If th eabomination of desolation is the "setting up" of the counterfeit Israel in 1948, how long till the 70 year captivity is over.

It happens in 2 waves as I see it. The former rain moderately, which I see happened a few years ago, this is what I believe was the awakening we saw 4 5 years ago. but then it stops, the long period of "no rain" Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

It rains not in the days of their prophecy. This would be the deer in the headlights look from anyone you trying to share the real gospel with, in the church. They are scared to death of you right.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

They kill the 2 witnesses, (the royal priesthood of true believers)

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Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

synagogue is church.

This is talking about the people right now that are getting kicked out of the Seeker freindly or signs and wonders churches after God wakes them up to the apostasy.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

It happened to me. i woke up and 9 months later I was kicked out of my church they said you have so much fear in your message.

"and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

The 2 witnesses are the early phase of the waking of Israel, the church. Read Zechariah and realize it's talking about the church and this will all make sense.
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I agree with bigD, very soon people will hear a consistent message given by 144,000 people, in accordance with Holy Scripture, led by the two witnesses of Rev. 11.3. Then it will make sense.

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Joe_2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

This is talking about the same thing as Rev 11:2

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The heathen (Gentiles) rule over them. The outer court given to the Gentiles (heathens) Same thing.

The 42 months is a metaphor, it is not 3 1/2 years, the tribulation takes a lot longer than that to accomplish what god is accomplishing as he threshes his people.

Deception is the threshing floor that God uses to seperate his flock, his sheep hear his voice his sheep are not deceived.
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The great tribulation is detailed in Isa 24, and we are certainly not in it yet.

Currently, the living God is sealing his 144,000 saints. Revelation 7:2-3. After this occurs, the angels that are bound at the river Euphrates will be loosed.

The next to happen in Scripture, that people should be looking for, is the appearance of the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11.3.

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Well I see the 2 witnesses are here, the people that have "come out" of the organized system, Babylon, Mystery Babylon, just like Joshua and Zerubabbel. In order to preach the everlasting gospel, the gospel of the kingdom you have to be in it. Are you? One thing I cringe at these days is when someone says "we're all sinners" When we get truely saved you forsake sin. The false gospel that says we are saved in our sin is the heart of the great falling away that we are at the tail end of. This thing clearly come to an end. I see it tied dirrectly to the Babylonian Captiviy, it runs twice, Jacobs Trouble. This time the second run which I see dircetly connected to the Nation State of Israel. Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
"Standing where it ought not"

The abomination of desolation is the counterfiet Israel. It is the time stamp of where we are. The 2 witnesses are everywhere right now, they are the ones who are waking up and sharing the truth, scripture revealed to them in the spirit, the Lord gives spiritual understand that opens the scripture and it's cryptic message hidden under the layer of the physical. Zep_3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
The pure language is the spiritual language the natural man can not understand. This is how god veils his mysteries. Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This is all happening now. The 2 witnesses are the people in the church that wake up and come out, they "see" the abomination written of by the prophet Daniel. What is that?

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This has all happened, it's been forming for a long time but the perfect storm came together in 1948. Everything came together in 1948.

now this is me, I can't convince anyone of this and I won't try but I had an experience while studying that I felt just like Daniel when he understood what Jeremiah had prophecied realizing the reason for the Babylonian captivity.

I am not making myself out to be anyone special I just see this and I talk about it that's it. In Zecariah it talks about the 70 years but It is talking about the second time. Jocabs trouble te second time. Everyhting runs twice this you can be sure. ns inthe physical in the old testament and it reruns in the spiritual inthe New Testament era.

Zec 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This is talking about today, it's talking about the indignation of the Lord, the tribulation, Jacobs Trouble, it began in 1948. That's when the deception carried the church into captivity. Again I'm not trying to convince anyone of this I'm telling you what I see.

I believe the remnant that "come out" of Babylon is happening now, one at a time people are waking up, they "see" the abomination of desolation which really is the sacrifice being taken out of the way. This has happened the false gospel telling people they are saved when they say the sinners prayer is not the gospel, it a form of godliness wtih now power, no power to overcome sin. This is why the corporate church is a disaster. The people have been carried away by the flood, carried away by deception, taken into captivity. This time Babylon is spiritual Mystery Babylon. it's only when God reveals it to you do you see it. This is when you make it past the second death, the second woe. This is when you enter into the kingdom. It's all there in Rev 11 and it's happening to many of us here and all over this internet.

People are waking up, they are getting truely filled with the Holy Spirit but it only happens when they 'come out her my people" This is happening right now and I submit many here are one of them. I don't know exactly where we are as this happens on an individual basis and then ultimately corporately.

Bottom line is Satans biggest trick is keeping us looking ahead for what has already happened. We are so brainwashe by the corporate church.

2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Make merchandise of you, no one can buy or sell, this has all happened you can not participate in the harlot church without the mark of the beast.

It's all happened.

If th eabomination of desolation is the "setting up" of the counterfeit Israel in 1948, how long till the 70 year captivity is over.

It happens in 2 waves as I see it. The former rain moderately, which I see happened a few years ago, this is what I believe was the awakening we saw 4 5 years ago. but then it stops, the long period of "no rain" Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

It rains not in the days of their prophecy. This would be the deer in the headlights look from anyone you trying to share the real gospel with, in the church. They are scared to death of you right.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

They kill the 2 witnesses, (the royal priesthood of true believers)

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Literal or figurative.

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

synagogue is church.

This is talking about the people right now that are getting kicked out of the Seeker freindly or signs and wonders churches after God wakes them up to the apostasy.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

It happened to me. i woke up and 9 months later I was kicked out of my church they said you have so much fear in your message.

"and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

The 2 witnesses are the early phase of the waking of Israel, the church. Read Zechariah and realize it's talking about the church and this will all make sense.
 Quoting: OutofHer


I agree with bigD, very soon people will hear a consistent message given by 144,000 people, in accordance with Holy Scripture, led by the two witnesses of Rev. 11.3. Then it will make sense.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: rockymtnlady


Amen!
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“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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Baal = LORD = ADONAI

Baal, also rendered Ba&#703;al (Biblical Hebrew &#1489;&#1506;&#1500;, pronounced [&#712;ba&#661;al]), is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord" that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian B&#275;lu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal.
"Ba&#703;al" can refer to any god and even to human officials. In some texts it is used for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba&#8219;al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Ba&#703;al" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven, but rather refer to any number of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called ba&#703;al and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".

The literal name of Satan, Ba'al Zeebub or Beelzabub means "LORD of the flies" again demonstrating that LORD and Adonai do not address YHVH but rather Satan. Beelzebub (pron.: /bi&#720;&#712;&#603;lz&#616;b&#652;b/ bee-el-z&#601;-bub or /&#712;bi&#720;lz&#616;b&#652;b/ beel-z&#601;-bub; (Hebrew: &#1489;&#1506;&#1500; &#1494;&#1489;&#1493;&#1489;, Ba&#703;al Z&#601;vûv Arabic: &#1576;&#1593;&#1604; &#1575;&#1604;&#1584;&#1576;&#1575;&#1576;&#8206;, Ba‘al az-Zubab;, literally "Lord of the Flies"; Greek: &#914;&#949;&#949;&#955;&#950;&#949;&#946;&#959;&#973;&#955;,​ Velzevoúl; Latin: Beelzeb&#363;b), with numerous archaic variants,[1] is a Semitic deity that was worshiped in the Philistine city of Ekron. In later Christian and Biblical sources, he is referred to as another name for Satan,[2] and in demonology, is one of the seven princes of Hell. The source for the name Ba‘al Zebûb / Beelzebub is in 2 Kings 1:2-3, 6, 16, where King Ahaziah of Israel, after seriously injuring himself in a fall, sends messengers to inquire of Ba‘al Zebûb, the god of the Philistine city of Ekron, to learn if he will recover.
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PS, we have argued about all of this before. If Jesus is wrong, how come I see the triple numbers as you do? If Jesus is wrong, why do I hear from the Holy Spirit? Why have I had a number of "God" dreams? I told you before, the translations are the same meanings. Are you a messianic Jew or what is the deal here?
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Please reconsider.
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Revelations 11:3

"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

all about 1260....
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Please reconsider.
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I dont understand what I need to reconsider. It can be posted so others can test it I dont mind.
“The most important things are the hardest to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them -- words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out. But it's more than that, isn't it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you've said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That's the worst, I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a tellar but for want of an understanding ear.” Stephen King
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God has been softly speaking to me using the numbers 444 throughout my entire life. Each time when I pay attention I avert disaster. I also use his subtle messages to know when to help others and bless them.

With that being said - Be cautious when seeking out understanding through numbers and astrology. Satan can use them as a tool to deceive you. Be informed, but don't let it guide you. This is not a judgment from me. I pass judgment on no one.

I am still debating on talking about what I have been seeing. Someone asked if I had a spiritual awakening. I have been spiritually awake since I was a child. Lately it has just become extremely intensified. I have deleted multiple fully prepared posts on these forums over the course of a few years before hitting the post button. I have hesitation talking about what I see. Most of this is due to people possibly misinterpreting me as boasting about myself, when my condition I believe comes from God.

I am having full blown visions while awake. I stop breathing during them. I come out in tears and weep for what I see.

I have been understanding the language of birds since last October of 2012. It is not constant. It fades in and out each day. Birds have been gathering every morning on my window sill in my kitchen. I believe their outwardly communication is Gods way of trying to pacify my loneliness and heartache for what I see. I also believe it has transpired in part due to visits by whom I believe is the angel Gabriel in my dreams.

Ever since the visits from this angel I have been in some sort of spiritual struggle. I am being harassed by demonic forces, but also being protected by angelic ones. I pray that god doesn't ever forsake me, because I could not do this alone.

I got on my knees and prayed after stopping myself from posting earlier today. I want to make sure I do the right thing. I am not sure how much I should reveal about what I see. I worry that I could accidently misguide others or bring about an opening for the spirit of fear.

I also have the concern that once I post more - everything is going to get very real for me. I see and sense agents of the beast on this forum in very large numbers. I am warned to be weary and discerning.

I will keep my message as simple as possible.

The angel Gabriel has been telling me to prepare for the coming of the paraclete. He is talking to me about being responsible for a world prayer. He is telling me to allow god to lay his hands on me. He is not the only angel I have encountered.

I saw a seperate angel whom I believe broke a seal last 2/14/13. I do not know this angels name. This is associated with the meteor that hit Russia that happened right after my vision. I will give you this, because I believe it to be something everyone needs to be aware of. Do not be fearful. Be vigilant in Christ:

I was laying in bed and went into a vision. I was no longer in my room. I was standing at the top of a red mountain. In front of me was a man in white garbs. His hair was black and wavy. I did not see his face. He stood before me looking over a large valley. The man in front of me looked up to the sky, then kneeled down and kissed the earth before him as if he was in prayer. The man in white then stood up. He clapped his hands together and I heard the sounds of thunder. It was like a giant sonic boom. The man then put his hands forward with palms facing outward. Suddenly, a meteor broke the atmosphere and slammed into the earth. It shattered in one huge line forward. A giant dust cloud enveloped everything. I suddenly heard a voice say a word that sounded like Israel. I snapped out of my vision and came to in tears.

The meteor that hit the Ural mountains in Russia made a sonic boom like the one that I heard. Although I may have just had some sort of futuristic vision, I believe there is more to this. I have many more visions which are riddled in symbolism and are like a broken up puzzle that I am putting together piece by piece.

Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love eachother. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special.

I truly believe that Tribulation may be upon us.
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Please reconsider.
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I dont understand what I need to reconsider. It can be posted so others can test it I dont mind.
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Hopefully, I did this right.






God will not let you ramble in distress that is fact. There is a spirit raging through that thread over the coarse of at least the last 3 days. I can confirm from my experience and I bet you ------ can also. She very well may see it for what it really is spiritual warfare. Silence is not golden we are called to test and if we test and something does not pass with flying colors we disregard it as fallacy. Very simply I do not know I have not been called to know whether she is male or female. What purpose does it serve? Is it good, holy, and lovely in the eyes of the Lord? The concept of a feminine holy spirit holds its roots in in hebrew in the bible text translated back to root render it Rauch. That is a feminine root and from which all the other teachings stem. Let me send you a link to the Nag Hammadi texts it will clarify what they saw her role as. This is also parroted almost line for line in the gospel of Thomas. The significance if you are not familiar with these works is that it is gnostic at its very core all centered around a female holy spirit. Her name is Sophia meaning wisdom in greek and this is exactly how she presents to you.





This is the flow in the gnostics

Gnosis - experiential knowledge
Sophia - wisdom
Wisdom - gnosis understood


Gnosis understood=You are Gods




Here is the link from the Nag Hammadi library- [link to gnosis.org]

Notice where it states be on your guard.




If we stick to textual accounts in our bible we have these:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26





and again in 15:26-But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me











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God has been softly speaking to me using the numbers 444 throughout my entire life. Each time when I pay attention I avert disaster. I also use his subtle messages to know when to help others and bless them.

With that being said - Be cautious when seeking out understanding through numbers and astrology. Satan can use them as a tool to deceive you. Be informed, but don't let it guide you. This is not a judgment from me. I pass judgment on no one.

I am still debating on talking about what I have been seeing. Someone asked if I had a spiritual awakening. I have been spiritually awake since I was a child. Lately it has just become extremely intensified. I have deleted multiple fully prepared posts on these forums over the course of a few years before hitting the post button. I have hesitation talking about what I see. Most of this is due to people possibly misinterpreting me as boasting about myself, when my condition I believe comes from God.

I am having full blown visions while awake. I stop breathing during them. I come out in tears and weep for what I see.

I have been understanding the language of birds since last October of 2012. It is not constant. It fades in and out each day. Birds have been gathering every morning on my window sill in my kitchen. I believe their outwardly communication is Gods way of trying to pacify my loneliness and heartache for what I see. I also believe it has transpired in part due to visits by whom I believe is the angel Gabriel in my dreams.

Ever since the visits from this angel I have been in some sort of spiritual struggle. I am being harassed by demonic forces, but also being protected by angelic ones. I pray that god doesn't ever forsake me, because I could not do this alone.

I got on my knees and prayed after stopping myself from posting earlier today. I want to make sure I do the right thing. I am not sure how much I should reveal about what I see. I worry that I could accidently misguide others or bring about an opening for the spirit of fear.

I also have the concern that once I post more - everything is going to get very real for me. I see and sense agents of the beast on this forum in very large numbers. I am warned to be weary and discerning.

I will keep my message as simple as possible.

The angel Gabriel has been telling me to prepare for the coming of the paraclete. He is talking to me about being responsible for a world prayer. He is telling me to allow god to lay his hands on me. He is not the only angel I have encountered.

I saw a seperate angel whom I believe broke a seal last 2/14/13. I do not know this angels name. This is associated with the meteor that hit Russia that happened right after my vision. I will give you this, because I believe it to be something everyone needs to be aware of. Do not be fearful. Be vigilant in Christ:

I was laying in bed and went into a vision. I was no longer in my room. I was standing at the top of a red mountain. In front of me was a man in white garbs. His hair was black and wavy. I did not see his face. He stood before me looking over a large valley. The man in front of me looked up to the sky, then kneeled down and kissed the earth before him as if he was in prayer. The man in white then stood up. He clapped his hands together and I heard the sounds of thunder. It was like a giant sonic boom. The man then put his hands forward with palms facing outward. Suddenly, a meteor broke the atmosphere and slammed into the earth. It shattered in one huge line forward. A giant dust cloud enveloped everything. I suddenly heard a voice say a word that sounded like Israel. I snapped out of my vision and came to in tears.

The meteor that hit the Ural mountains in Russia made a sonic boom like the one that I heard. Although I may have just had some sort of futuristic vision, I believe there is more to this. I have many more visions which are riddled in symbolism and are like a broken up puzzle that I am putting together piece by piece.

Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love eachother. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special.

I truly believe that Tribulation may be upon us.
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Best post I've read in a very long time, thank you for sharing.

I also believe that the paraclete is part of the key for the puzzle we are all trying to put together.

One Love,
D.
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Thanks RML for starting this thread.

I am still working my way through the shadows and darkness that surrounds us, trying to get closer to that tiny little spot of light I can see far away from where I stand at the moment.

I just want to add my little 2 cents to your thread, if you would allow me.

The more I watch debates regarding religion(s), prophecies and spiritualism, the more I see the division and hatred infiltrating them. But what is the common roots allowing darkness in? The fact that we are all trying to explain / interpret / appropriate the scriptures and their meaning.

The only root that most people have in common despite the need to explain how their interpretation of the scriptures is the correct one, or the most accurate, is the respect for Jesus.

I took a little step back for a while from the debates here to look for books and documents only dealing with the teachings of Christ. Best.idea.ever.

And what did I find in those teachings that was so special?

Nothing.
I will repeat that.
Nothing.

I found a humble man preaching how to be a man.
I found a shepherd (leader) who led people with kindness and universal truth rather than force and deceit.
I found a teacher who wasn't afraid to stand against the schools in place.
I found a judge who wasn't afraid of adjusting the laws if it was for the good of others.
I found a philosopher who preferred to plant the seed of an idea and let the people water it and grow it for them to harvest it, rather than feeding them a rotten fruit.

When you look at a scale, there is always a point in the middle that allows it to be balanced and function properly, regardless of what weights you have on the left or the right. That is how today I would represent Christ and that is where I believe we should all try to be.

The topics of the 2 witnesses, man child, 144,000 are very close to my heart and I truly hope that soon we will all hear that new song, but will we be able to understand it?

I think we should all meditate a little on the last post from AC

"Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love each other. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special."

One Love,
D.

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I can only show you the door. You have to be willing to walk through it.

unclemikey-388
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You folks may as well prepare yourselves to reject the testimony of the Two Witnesses when they show up.

You sure aren't listening to it now.

All I see are a bunch of stiff necks wanting to hear themselves talk.

Job 33:14
"For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not"


2013-11-08
 Quoting: Uncle Mikey


Mikey I just wanted to let you know that you are listened to. You were one of the first posters I found here that I really followed. Though I may not agree with everything you post its not so much that I disagree it that I can't see it yet. I always hold the possibility that different things will "click" and understanding follows. Your studies of dna were the first I ever seen put together that solidified in me that He really is written into our dna. So dont ever think your work is for nothing thats simply not true. Each of us has a journey that is uniquely ours and when I see someone do the kind of work you do I see someone is has been fearless to pursue. That my friend is honorable in a world where redicule abounds.
 Quoting: ByFaithAlone


I second that, big time.

One Love,
D.
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There was/is only one Law and that was/is the Law of Moses/Holy Torah which he clearly annulled.
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Religious law was not annulled. It was fulfilled so that faith might abound. This is what Pentecost is all about and the Everlasing Gospel. Divine law is innate to life itself and is before anything is made. Divine law is a divine, self addressing, intelligent eternal virture that is far greater than the laws of religion based on humanity.

Sometimes Paul was referencing religious law and sometimes divine law. Though all things are governed by divine law religious law like the laws of the land are a mere expressions of a much greater working.
 Quoting: Arizona


AZ, I must warn you about Ireland. Once you disagree with anything he says, he will turn against you and claim to call the "plagues" upon you. He acts as if he has the authority to do this. Fear not. He is a weak person....just another son of Antichrist that you will encounter on your journey. As you become stronger in the Spirit of God, they come out to fight you. This is the War in Heaven in Revelation, which we are currently experiencing.

RockyMtnLady
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We'll see Jezebel. I called the plagues back when you showed love and humility to me. But I just asked for them to be reinstated for your haughty pride and arrogance. Keep an eye out on the news and your singled out area. Mercy has been taking back from the proud.
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Oh guys c'mon, you did so well for about ten posts! :))
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Zechariah says the BRANCH will build the temple....Who was building the physical temple in zechzriah? Two were building the physical temple Joshua the priest and zerubbable tbe governor from judah. They represent the two who will build and unite the spiritual temple in the end as the two witnesses......Read jeremiah 23 and 33....23 speaks of the masculine side of the Branch and jeremiah 33 speaks of the feminine side of the Branch because in jeremiah 23 the branch is stated "HE shall be called the lord our righteosness" and in Jeremiah 33 the branch is introduced as "SHE" shall be called the lord our righteousness. THE TWO WITNESSES ARE THE BRANCH NOT JUST ONE. just as when the two housed of isreal (judah and ephraim) are joined back together the 2 houses become one ane will again be known as Israel my firstborn son

Each witness represents one house of israel.....one judah and the other ephraim....and if reading isaiah chapter 40's you can see the servant being called jacob and the other israel.....jacob came forth from israel just as eve came forth from adam just as Jesus came forth from the Father....the bible pattern is one become 2 and then 2 become one again.

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The Two Witnesses of Rev 11.3 are not the Branch. The Branch is the Man-Child.

RockyMtnLady
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Who is the man child?

The Nobody?

He told me, "......it's an Operation Slammer mind control scripted thing......and, he's not playing the game anymore...".

We need definitive divine light from God......to tell us what is the truth and what is not.

Bible....seems to create too too too many debates, arguments, etc.

Can't be divine.......if it creates so much confusion.
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God has been softly speaking to me using the numbers 444 throughout my entire life. Each time when I pay attention I avert disaster. I also use his subtle messages to know when to help others and bless them.

With that being said - Be cautious when seeking out understanding through numbers and astrology. Satan can use them as a tool to deceive you. Be informed, but don't let it guide you. This is not a judgment from me. I pass judgment on no one.

I am still debating on talking about what I have been seeing. Someone asked if I had a spiritual awakening. I have been spiritually awake since I was a child. Lately it has just become extremely intensified. I have deleted multiple fully prepared posts on these forums over the course of a few years before hitting the post button. I have hesitation talking about what I see. Most of this is due to people possibly misinterpreting me as boasting about myself, when my condition I believe comes from God.

I am having full blown visions while awake. I stop breathing during them. I come out in tears and weep for what I see.

I have been understanding the language of birds since last October of 2012. It is not constant. It fades in and out each day. Birds have been gathering every morning on my window sill in my kitchen. I believe their outwardly communication is Gods way of trying to pacify my loneliness and heartache for what I see. I also believe it has transpired in part due to visits by whom I believe is the angel Gabriel in my dreams.

Ever since the visits from this angel I have been in some sort of spiritual struggle. I am being harassed by demonic forces, but also being protected by angelic ones. I pray that god doesn't ever forsake me, because I could not do this alone.

I got on my knees and prayed after stopping myself from posting earlier today. I want to make sure I do the right thing. I am not sure how much I should reveal about what I see. I worry that I could accidently misguide others or bring about an opening for the spirit of fear.

I also have the concern that once I post more - everything is going to get very real for me. I see and sense agents of the beast on this forum in very large numbers. I am warned to be weary and discerning.

I will keep my message as simple as possible.

The angel Gabriel has been telling me to prepare for the coming of the paraclete. He is talking to me about being responsible for a world prayer. He is telling me to allow god to lay his hands on me. He is not the only angel I have encountered.

I saw a seperate angel whom I believe broke a seal last 2/14/13. I do not know this angels name. This is associated with the meteor that hit Russia that happened right after my vision. I will give you this, because I believe it to be something everyone needs to be aware of. Do not be fearful. Be vigilant in Christ:

I was laying in bed and went into a vision. I was no longer in my room. I was standing at the top of a red mountain. In front of me was a man in white garbs. His hair was black and wavy. I did not see his face. He stood before me looking over a large valley. The man in front of me looked up to the sky, then kneeled down and kissed the earth before him as if he was in prayer. The man in white then stood up. He clapped his hands together and I heard the sounds of thunder. It was like a giant sonic boom. The man then put his hands forward with palms facing outward. Suddenly, a meteor broke the atmosphere and slammed into the earth. It shattered in one huge line forward. A giant dust cloud enveloped everything. I suddenly heard a voice say a word that sounded like Israel. I snapped out of my vision and came to in tears.

The meteor that hit the Ural mountains in Russia made a sonic boom like the one that I heard. Although I may have just had some sort of futuristic vision, I believe there is more to this. I have many more visions which are riddled in symbolism and are like a broken up puzzle that I am putting together piece by piece.

Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love eachother. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special.

I truly believe that Tribulation may be upon us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49487974


The nobody said to me:

"......God nor Jesus ever, ever, ever....talks to me or directs any plan...and...seems to allow TORTURE WITH DEW, MIND CONTROL TO SUBVERT FREE WILL, AND GANG STALKING...INTERSTATE...FOR 27 YEARS?....."

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