Two Witnesses of Revelation 11.3 and the Branch

Smith's Bible Dictionary, 1872 Edition, states the following:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of YAHWEH...is injuriously out of sight.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, pages 680-682, sums it all up rather well, as you can see for yourself.
YHWH. The personal name of the God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants yhwh and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton". At least until the destructions of the First Temple in 586 b.c.e., this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the *Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century b.c.e., the pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided, and Adonai, "the Lord", was substituted for it, as evidenced by the use of the Greek word Kyrios, "Lord", for yhwh in the Septuagint, the translation of the Hebrew Scriptures that was begun by Greek-speaking Jews in that century. Where the combined form *Adonai yhwh occurs in the Bible, this was read as *Adonai *Elohim, "Lord God". In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowels points to faciliate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for 'Adonai with one variation - a sheva with the first yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patah under the aleph of 'Adonai were used for YHWH, thus producing the form Yehowah. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name "Jehovah". In order to avoid pronouncing even the sacred name *Adonai for YHWH, the custom was later introduced of saying simply in Hebrew ha-Shem (or Aramaic Shemc, "the Name") even in such an expression as "Blessed be he that cometh in the name of YHWH" (Ps. 118:26).

The name of Yahweh was in the original scriptures over 6,000 times and TAKEN OUT by Jewish superstition and now your Bible is in error over 8,000 times just in regard to the name of YHVH and Ya, and Yahshua alone!
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160, confirms this fact.

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YHWH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel.
The move to eliminate the proper name of God came while in Babylonian Captivity where the Mystery Religion of Babylon worshipped the "Lord" or "Ba'al". So the name of Ba'al replaced the name of YHVH in scriptures. The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, page 717, tells us more about the devices used to hide Yahweh's Name:
Qere perpetuum.
The earliest instance where a word in the biblical text was not read, but another was pronounced in its stead, is that of the TETRAGRAMMATON (YHVH pronounced Yahweh). The prohibition of pronouncing "The Name," and the obligation of substituting in perpetuity a term that expresses the divine majesty, are explicitly recognized in the Babylonian Talmud (Pes. 50a): "Said the Holy One, blessed be He: not as I am written, am I read. I am written h"y (yodh-he, i.e., the Tetragrammaton), but I am read d"a (aleph-daleth, i.e., Adonai)." The antiquity of this prohibition is evident from the fact that the Hebrew Tetragrammaton was not translated in the most ancient recensions of the lxx, where it appears only in Hebrew script. Later it was rendered into Greek by kuvrio" (Lord), which conveys the sense of the Hebrew Adonai. In the Greek text, at the beginning, the same procedure was followed as in the Hebrew, namely, the equivalent of the divine name was first abbreviated, through reverence, into the form k", then, in later texts and under Christian influence, it came to be written out fully. In the same way, the Babylonian Targ. on the Pentateuch (Targ. Onkelos) systematically renders the Tetra-grammaton into Aramaic by the abbreviation ywy(the arithmetic equivalent of which __26__ is the same as that of the Tetragrammaton fully written in its Hebrew form).
This ancient prohibition of pronouncing the divine name persisted orally until the introduction of the Hebrew vocalic system, where the vowels written under the Tetragrammaton are those of the substitute word Adonai. Its antiquity clearly shows that it originated in the oldest Jewish oral traditions that accompanied the transmission (masora) of the sacred text from the beginning. In contrast to the qere perpetuum, substituted orally for the Tetragrammaton, the Masoretic tradition, as a precautionary measure, indicated in the margin of later mss, in the form of a statistical note (dlq=134), the number of times in the text where God is explicitly designated by the title yn*dØa& (cf. Gen. 18:3 and passim). In this way, they sought to forestall any change in the form of the sacred text that might be made by an overhasty scribe.

Robert Pfeiffer, in his Introduction to the Old Testament, supplies more information:
To avoid the utterance of the name Yahweh, both before and after the adoption of the qere, other devices were employed. In some cases adonay was written in the text (so in Dan. 9:9 where the Babylonians wrote YHWH); in Pss. 42-83 elohim (deity) is substituted for Yahweh; in Am. 5:16 adonay (missing in the lxx) and in Ps. 59:5 (H. 59:6); 80:4, 19 (H. 80:5, 20); 84:8 (H. 84:9) elohim are interlinear substitutes for yhwh, which were mechanically copied into the text (see W.R. Arnold, Ephod and Ark, pp. 31, 38, 145-147). We even find in the text late substitutes for Yahweh: "Heaven" (Dan. 4:26 [H. 4:23]; cf. Is. 14:13, lxx; the Kingdom of "Heaven" in Matthew) and "the Name" (Lev. 24:11, 16). In the Aramaic portions of Daniel 2-7, not only are substitutes for Yahweh regularly employed, but the verbal form YeHeWeH (he is or will be), which occurs regularly in the Elephantine papyri, to avoid confusion with the ineffable name YHWH was changed to LeHeWeH (similarly the plurals lehewon, lehewyah). Long after the introduction of the qere "Lord" for YHWH (6,823 times in the Old Testament according to the Masora), but before a.d. 500, vulgar expressions in the text, as we have seen, were removed by substituting a euphemism in the reading (qere). Equally ancient are the instances of "read but not written" and "written but not read" listed above.

Interesting!

correct, Yahweh or YHWH = LORD God or Son God basically

Yahweh is not the creator in Genesis 1:1, that is Elohim

Yahweh first appears in Genesis 2:4

I know the name of God Almighty and my Saviour.

RockyMtnLady

Look further

The Encyclopedia Britanica, Volume 23, page 867, confirms the fact that the proper, original Name Yahweh was replaced with common substitutes:
YAHWEH, the proper name of the God of Israel; it is composed of four consonants (YHWH) in Hebrew and is therefore called the tetragrammaton...The name Yahweh later ceased to be used by the Jews for two somewhat contradictory reasons. As Judaism began to become a universal religion, the proper name Yahweh tended to be replaced by the common noun Elohim, meaning "God," which could apply to foreign deities and therefore could be used to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered, for fear of profanation, and in the synagogue ritual it was replaced by Adonai ("my Lord"), which was translated Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint. The occurence of the four sacred letters in the text of the Bible itself could not be thus replaced, but the same fear of profanation caused Masoretes (6th-8th centuries a.d.) to change the pronunciation by replacing the vowels (which in Hebrew are marked beneath or above the consonants if not omitted altogether) with the vowels of Adonai (or, more rarely, the vowels of Elohim).
Remember, only those who call on the Name YHVH will be saved... and Adonai/LORD IS NOT that name, where only Yahshua literally calls on YHVH for salvation!

Why are you on this thread? To do self promotion of what you "know" to corral a set of followers who believe you are One of the Two Witnesses (Gabriel)?

That's it. Right? You have not added any light to this thread.

RockyMtnLady

Baal = LORD = ADONAI

Baal, also rendered Baʿal (Biblical Hebrew בעל, pronounced [ˈbaʕal]), is a Northwest Semitic title and honorific meaning "master" or "lord" that is used for various gods who were patrons of cities in the Levant and Asia Minor, cognate to Akkadian Bēlu. A Baalist or Baalite means a worshipper of Baal.
"Baʿal" can refer to any god and even to human officials. In some texts it is used for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. Nevertheless, few if any Biblical uses of "Baʿal" refer to Hadad, the lord over the assembly of gods on the holy mount of Heaven, but rather refer to any number of local spirit-deities worshipped as cult images, each called baʿal and regarded in the Hebrew Bible in that context as a "false god".

The literal name of Satan, Ba'al Zeebub or Beelzabub means "LORD of the flies" again demonstrating that LORD and Adonai do not address YHVH but rather Satan. Beelzebub (pron.: /biːˈɛlzɨbʌb/ bee-el-zə-bub or /ˈbiːlzɨbʌb/ beel-zə-bub; (Hebrew: בעל זבוב, Baʿal Zəvûv Arabic: بعل الذباب‎, Ba‘al az-Zubab;, literally "Lord of the Flies"; Greek: Βεελζεβούλ,​ Velzevoúl; Latin: Beelzebūb), with numerous archaic variants,[1] is a Semitic deity that was worshiped in the Philistine city of Ekron. In later Christian and Biblical sources, he is referred to as another name for Satan,[2] and in demonology, is one of the seven princes of Hell. The source for the name Ba‘al Zebûb / Beelzebub is in 2 Kings 1:2-3, 6, 16, where King Ahaziah of Israel, after seriously injuring himself in a fall, sends messengers to inquire of Ba‘al Zebûb, the god of the Philistine city of Ekron, to learn if he will recover.

Well I see the 2 witnesses are here, the people that have "come out" of the organized system, Babylon, Mystery Babylon, just like Joshua and Zerubabbel. In order to preach the everlasting gospel, the gospel of the kingdom you have to be in it. Are you? One thing I cringe at these days is when someone says "we're all sinners" When we get truely saved you forsake sin. The false gospel that says we are saved in our sin is the heart of the great falling away that we are at the tail end of. This thing clearly come to an end. I see it tied dirrectly to the Babylonian Captiviy, it runs twice, Jacobs Trouble. This time the second run which I see dircetly connected to the Nation State of Israel. Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
"Standing where it ought not"

The abomination of desolation is the counterfiet Israel. It is the time stamp of where we are. The 2 witnesses are everywhere right now, they are the ones who are waking up and sharing the truth, scripture revealed to them in the spirit, the Lord gives spiritual understand that opens the scripture and it's cryptic message hidden under the layer of the physical. Zep_3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
The pure language is the spiritual language the natural man can not understand. This is how God veils his mysteries. Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
This is all happening now. The 2 witnesses are the people in the church that wake up and come out, they "see" the abomination written of by the prophet Daniel. What is that?

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This has all happened, it's been forming for a long time but the perfect storm came together in 1948. Everything came together in 1948.

Now this is me, I can't convince anyone of this and I won't try but I had an experience while studying that I felt just like Daniel when he understood what Jeremiah had prophecied realizing the reason for the Babylonian captivity.

I am not making myself out to be anyone special I just see this and I talk about it that's it. In Zechariah it talks about the 70 years but It is talking about the second time. Jacobs trouble the second time. Everything runs twice this you can be sure. once in the physical in the old testament and it reruns in the spiritual in the New Testament era.

Zec 1:12 Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

This is talking about today, it's talking about the indignation of the Lord, the tribulation, Jacobs Trouble, it began in 1948. That's when the deception carried the church into captivity.

The remnant that "come out" of Babylon is happening now,

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The plagues are the false doctrine, Rev 9

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

one at a time people are waking up, they "see" the abomination of desolation which really is the sacrifice being taken out of the way. This has happened the false gospel telling people they are saved when they say the sinners prayer is not the gospel, it a form of godliness wtih now power, no power to overcome sin. This is why the corporate church is a disaster. The sacrifice has ceased,

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

This is not happening in these 3 ring circus churches, the daily sacrifice has ceased. The people have been carried away by the flood, carried away by deception, taken into captivity. This time Babylon is spiritual Mystery Babylon. it's only when God reveals it to you do you see it. This is when you make it past the second death, the second woe. This is when you enter into the kingdom. It's all there in Rev 11 and it's happening to many of us here and all over this internet.

People are waking up, they are getting truely filled with the Holy Spirit but it only happens when they 'come out her my people" This is happening right now and I submit many here are one of them. I don't know exactly where we are as this happens on an individual basis and then ultimately corporately.

Bottom line is Satans biggest trick is keeping us looking ahead for what has already happened. We are so brainwashe by the corporate church.

2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Make merchandise of you, no one can buy or sell, this has all happened you can not participate in the harlot church without the mark of the beast.

It's all happened.

If the abomination of desolation is the "setting up" of the counterfeit Israel in 1948, how long till the 70 year captivity is over.

It happens in 2 waves as I see it. The former rain moderately, which I see happened a few years ago, this is what I believe was the awakening we saw 4 or 5 years ago. but then it stops, the long period of "no rain" Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

It rains not in the days of their prophecy. This would be the deer in the headlights look from anyone you're trying to share the real gospel with, in the church. They are scared to death of you, right?

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

They kill the 2 witnesses, (the royal priesthood of true believers)

kill
G615
(to slay); to kill outright; figuratively to destroy: - put to death, kill, slay.

Literal or figurative.

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

synagogue is church.

This is talking about the people right now that are getting kicked out of the Seeker friendly or signs and wonders churches after God wakes them up to the apostasy.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

It happened to me. I woke up and 9 months later I was kicked out of my church they said you have so much fear in your message.

"and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

The 2 witnesses are the early phase of the waking of Israel, the church. Read Zechariah and realize it's talking about the church and this will all make sense.

Last Edited by OutofHer on 11/11/2013 09:43 PM

sure, more information about Yahweh or YHWH, the Son God

again though, Yahweh or YHWH is not the God in Genesis 1:1

roofing



math of 11:11 and 3 1/2

I agree with bigD, very soon people will hear a consistent message given by 144,000 people, in accordance with Holy Scripture, led by the two witnesses of Rev. 11.3. Then it will make sense.

RockyMtnLady

Amen!

D- you have my permission to post my email reply to you. Please edit names for privacy's sake. I'm mobile right now and it messes up the message flow badly.

PS, we have argued about all of this before. If Jesus is wrong, how come I see the triple numbers as you do? If Jesus is wrong, why do I hear from the Holy Spirit? Why have I had a number of "God" dreams? I told you before, the translations are the same meanings. Are you a messianic Jew or what is the deal here?

Please reconsider.

Revelations 11:3

"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

all about 1260....

I dont understand what I need to reconsider. It can be posted so others can test it I dont mind.

God has been softly speaking to me using the numbers 444 throughout my entire life. Each time when I pay attention I avert disaster. I also use his subtle messages to know when to help others and bless them.

With that being said - Be cautious when seeking out understanding through numbers and astrology. Satan can use them as a tool to deceive you. Be informed, but don't let it guide you. This is not a judgment from me. I pass judgment on no one.

I am still debating on talking about what I have been seeing. Someone asked if I had a spiritual awakening. I have been spiritually awake since I was a child. Lately it has just become extremely intensified. I have deleted multiple fully prepared posts on these forums over the course of a few years before hitting the post button. I have hesitation talking about what I see. Most of this is due to people possibly misinterpreting me as boasting about myself, when my condition I believe comes from God.

I am having full blown visions while awake. I stop breathing during them. I come out in tears and weep for what I see.

I have been understanding the language of birds since last October of 2012. It is not constant. It fades in and out each day. Birds have been gathering every morning on my window sill in my kitchen. I believe their outwardly communication is Gods way of trying to pacify my loneliness and heartache for what I see. I also believe it has transpired in part due to visits by whom I believe is the angel Gabriel in my dreams.

Ever since the visits from this angel I have been in some sort of spiritual struggle. I am being harassed by demonic forces, but also being protected by angelic ones. I pray that god doesn't ever forsake me, because I could not do this alone.

I got on my knees and prayed after stopping myself from posting earlier today. I want to make sure I do the right thing. I am not sure how much I should reveal about what I see. I worry that I could accidently misguide others or bring about an opening for the spirit of fear.

I also have the concern that once I post more - everything is going to get very real for me. I see and sense agents of the beast on this forum in very large numbers. I am warned to be weary and discerning.

I will keep my message as simple as possible.

The angel Gabriel has been telling me to prepare for the coming of the paraclete. He is talking to me about being responsible for a world prayer. He is telling me to allow god to lay his hands on me. He is not the only angel I have encountered.

I saw a seperate angel whom I believe broke a seal last 2/14/13. I do not know this angels name. This is associated with the meteor that hit Russia that happened right after my vision. I will give you this, because I believe it to be something everyone needs to be aware of. Do not be fearful. Be vigilant in Christ:

I was laying in bed and went into a vision. I was no longer in my room. I was standing at the top of a red mountain. In front of me was a man in white garbs. His hair was black and wavy. I did not see his face. He stood before me looking over a large valley. The man in front of me looked up to the sky, then kneeled down and kissed the earth before him as if he was in prayer. The man in white then stood up. He clapped his hands together and I heard the sounds of thunder. It was like a giant sonic boom. The man then put his hands forward with palms facing outward. Suddenly, a meteor broke the atmosphere and slammed into the earth. It shattered in one huge line forward. A giant dust cloud enveloped everything. I suddenly heard a voice say a word that sounded like Israel. I snapped out of my vision and came to in tears.

The meteor that hit the Ural mountains in Russia made a sonic boom like the one that I heard. Although I may have just had some sort of futuristic vision, I believe there is more to this. I have many more visions which are riddled in symbolism and are like a broken up puzzle that I am putting together piece by piece.

Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love eachother. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special.

I truly believe that Tribulation may be upon us.

Hopefully, I did this right.






God will not let you ramble in distress that is fact. There is a spirit raging through that thread over the coarse of at least the last 3 days. I can confirm from my experience and I bet you ------ can also. She very well may see it for what it really is spiritual warfare. Silence is not golden we are called to test and if we test and something does not pass with flying colors we disregard it as fallacy. Very simply I do not know I have not been called to know whether she is male or female. What purpose does it serve? Is it good, holy, and lovely in the eyes of the Lord? The concept of a feminine holy spirit holds its roots in in hebrew in the bible text translated back to root render it Rauch. That is a feminine root and from which all the other teachings stem. Let me send you a link to the Nag Hammadi texts it will clarify what they saw her role as. This is also parroted almost line for line in the gospel of Thomas. The significance if you are not familiar with these works is that it is gnostic at its very core all centered around a female holy spirit. Her name is Sophia meaning wisdom in greek and this is exactly how she presents to you.





This is the flow in the gnostics

Gnosis - experiential knowledge
Sophia - wisdom
Wisdom - gnosis understood


Gnosis understood=You are Gods




Here is the link from the Nag Hammadi library- [link to gnosis.org]

Notice where it states be on your guard.




If we stick to textual accounts in our bible we have these:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26





and again in 15:26-But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me











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Best post I've read in a very long time, thank you for sharing.

I also believe that the paraclete is part of the key for the puzzle we are all trying to put together.

One Love,
D.

Thanks RML for starting this thread.

I am still working my way through the shadows and darkness that surrounds us, trying to get closer to that tiny little spot of light I can see far away from where I stand at the moment.

I just want to add my little 2 cents to your thread, if you would allow me.

The more I watch debates regarding religion(s), prophecies and spiritualism, the more I see the division and hatred infiltrating them. But what is the common roots allowing darkness in? The fact that we are all trying to explain / interpret / appropriate the scriptures and their meaning.

The only root that most people have in common despite the need to explain how their interpretation of the scriptures is the correct one, or the most accurate, is the respect for Jesus.

I took a little step back for a while from the debates here to look for books and documents only dealing with the teachings of Christ. Best.idea.ever.

And what did I find in those teachings that was so special?

Nothing.
I will repeat that.
Nothing.

I found a humble man preaching how to be a man.
I found a shepherd (leader) who led people with kindness and universal truth rather than force and deceit.
I found a teacher who wasn't afraid to stand against the schools in place.
I found a judge who wasn't afraid of adjusting the laws if it was for the good of others.
I found a philosopher who preferred to plant the seed of an idea and let the people water it and grow it for them to harvest it, rather than feeding them a rotten fruit.

When you look at a scale, there is always a point in the middle that allows it to be balanced and function properly, regardless of what weights you have on the left or the right. That is how today I would represent Christ and that is where I believe we should all try to be.

The topics of the 2 witnesses, man child, 144,000 are very close to my heart and I truly hope that soon we will all hear that new song, but will we be able to understand it?

I think we should all meditate a little on the last post from AC

"Circumcise your hearts in Christ. Things are about to change. If God tells me to share more through his subtle touch - I shall do so. In the meanwhile be kind and love each other. Worry less about the power of the witnesses and have pity for them. Do not idolize them. They are only going to be an extension of God's love for each of us. Be more concerned about getting your relationship with Christ seated. You are all special."

One Love,
D.

Last Edited by ExploringTheTruth on 11/12/2013 01:39 AM

I second that, big time.

One Love,
D.

Oh guys c'mon, you did so well for about ten posts! :))

Who is the man child?

The Nobody?

He told me, "......it's an Operation Slammer mind control scripted thing......and, he's not playing the game anymore...".

We need definitive divine light from God......to tell us what is the truth and what is not.

Bible....seems to create too too too many debates, arguments, etc.

Can't be divine.......if it creates so much confusion.

The nobody said to me:

"......God nor Jesus ever, ever, ever....talks to me or directs any plan...and...seems to allow TORTURE WITH DEW, MIND CONTROL TO SUBVERT FREE WILL, AND GANG STALKING...INTERSTATE...FOR 27 YEARS?....."

"electronically 1/0 patterned example"

numbers, like music and words
are an expression of the abstract
where process takes place in our mind;
in perfect patterns the symbols make magic.

that my birthday is today
yet really next month,
is a perfect pattern or not?
only thing matters is truth.

was it heard in front the council
as we witnessed social agony?
marginalized, stigmatized and blamed
for vultures to feed on us in the streets

only god knows
what we found out;
if our pebble of truth
makes a tsunami of justice.

~H

meditate on the wine and oil
the signifficance is indeed
a pattern fitting the weave;
perfection unobtainable under foot.

Dear ByFaithAlone,

I believe you are correct, what we experience here is spiritual warfare as is foretold in Revelation 12:7-9 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Satan knows his time is short. Thus, you are correct. It is imperative that we keep close to to Holy Scripture as truth and not deviate from it.

It is critical in these times (as it will be moving forward) to support and protect our brothers and sisters and uphold truth. Not letting falsehood or fallacy infiltrate, according to what the Spirit has shown us and Holy Scripture.

May God Bless you,

RockyMtnLady

Yes, I really liked her answer. My asking her to reconsider was because I wasn't sure I knew how to post it from my email! I am not much of a computer geek!

I've really been challenged by this thread just wanted to say and appreciate you starting it RockyMntLady. I'm getting a lot of understanding I have to work at putting it to words but just wanted to clarify a few things.
First I want to retract my accusations of the blanket statement that PerJeshua is a false prophet until I clarify a few things. I see his view of the new testament era is good. He has done a lot of study there and I'm going to revisit it. I still have to keep asking though are these people, him included still thinking he is one of the 2 witnesses? Is that what I am still understanding?
And maybe then could you people just comment on how you're seeing the bottomless pit and the 5th and 6th trumpet judgements? Keep it short as possible please. To much information...trying to absorb it all.
I'm really seeng the 2 witnesses testifying over a long periode of time. The picture of the tornado and Ezekiels wheel are very appropriate. Not in the physical but is the picture the whirlwind, the wheel inside the wheel of the judgement, the purging of the house that God carries out. These moves cycle, there have been many as the whirlwind keeps swirling and growing. Today at what sure seems to be the end it is big, really big. We are in the process somewhere on the journey through our wilderness as is shown in the book of Revelation, the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

I see it as the earthquake, as the times that God moves on his house. We're in the big one at the end I believe. I also se the 2 witness manchild, 144000 pattern has cycled before I believe we are in the big one at the end.

I'm just saying I'm learning along with the rest of you here. We all need to stay open to what God is doing. Something is going on here.

But really please tell me you don't actually believe the Norway guy is one of the 2 witnesses please.

Rev_11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

This reference to the "tenth part" is talking about the first fruits, the tithe, the 144,000 as they are offered as spotless sacrifice.

Isa_6:13 But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

The tenth part returns.

Those who pass under the Shephards Rod and are inspected and marked, a tenth are set aside for th tithe, the spotless offering, firstfruits of your oblations.

Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 20:39 As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your idols.
Eze 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.
Eze 20:41 I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
Eze 20:42 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.