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Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.

 
74444

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*EVERY ONE* of the above referenced posts by 74444 was directed at myself and involved personal attacks
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What personal attacks? Be specific.

after it was requested by myself that he no longer attempt to communicate with or denigrate me, or goad me into responding to him. NONE of these posts were answered by myself and nor are they in response to any instigation on my part of agent stalker 74444 as pee advice of legal council.
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Then may I suggest your legal counsel is full of doo-doo. It's a big Internet, and GLP is fairly ridiculously free in terms of such engagements. You have a zillion places you can go online without the *horror* of 74444 disagreeing with you, and carefully keeping track of your claims which seem to invariably fail. You even have the freedom to create your own board, where you can control all content with an iron fist, or even pay for an account here, which would allow you to ban me from your threads entirely.

Your options are really only constrained by the mind considering them. But there's nothing illegal about engaging you on a publicly available message forum. That's *what they're for.*
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A basic principal of electromagnetics is that when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, an electric charge is induced,
No scientifically literate person denies this.
Spectrograph analysis of comets prove they contain electrically conductive materials.

Since they are moving through a magnetic field [the interplanetary magnetic field of the Sun], they are inducing an electric charge. Since they are traveling at considerable rates of speed through a magnetic field in a vacuum, it makes the comet an almost perfect capacitor, and the only opportunity it has to discharge is by interactions with the solar wind and close encounters with objects of differing electrical potential. The theory that the tails of comets are made of material blown away from the comet by the solar wind is totally incorrect.

The double tail of many comets is a result of two different phenomenon occurring simultaneously, one is caused by the exact same principal behind florescent lights to, and is explained by the electric universe theory.

<Snip IDW being an IDW>

 Quoting: AA 49944875


Dim, Dimmer, Incredible DimWits.

Failed high school physics did you IDW?

FB=qvB
FE=qE

FE=FB
qE=qvB
E=vB
Where did the charge go?
(snicker)

Don't really understand this "Field" concept, do you?


Now, if some EU/EC proponent would step up and make a unique, substantive prediction based on EU/EC it would be enlightening.

Insane DimWits need not apply, thankyouverymuch.


R.
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A basic principal of electromagnetics is that when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, an electric charge is induced,
No scientifically literate person denies this.
Spectrograph analysis of comets prove they contain electrically conductive materials.

Since they are moving through a magnetic field [the interplanetary magnetic field of the Sun], they are inducing an electric charge. Since they are traveling at considerable rates of speed through a magnetic field in a vacuum, it makes the comet an almost perfect capacitor, and the only opportunity it has to discharge is by interactions with the solar wind and close encounters with objects of differing electrical potential. The theory that the tails of comets are made of material blown away from the comet by the solar wind is totally incorrect.

The double tail of many comets is a result of two different phenomenon occurring simultaneously, one is caused by the exact same principal behind florescent lights to, and is explained by the electric universe theory.

<Snip IDW being an IDW>

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Dim, Dimmer, Incredible DimWits.

Failed high school physics did you IDW?
 Quoting: Reality420 19757918


Ooh! I have evidence to support that!

Thread: Did we really go to the Moon? Why haven't we been back since 72? (Page 33)


FB=qvB
FE=qE

FE=FB
qE=qvB
E=vB
Where did the charge go?
(snicker)

Don't really understand this "Field" concept, do you?


Now, if some EU/EC proponent would step up and make a unique, substantive prediction based on EU/EC it would be enlightening.

Insane DimWits need not apply, thankyouverymuch.


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
 Quoting: Reality420 19757918


Glad to see you back. Sorry about the inevitable derailment.

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(and to the other debunkers, yes I didn't put the X in there just for IDW)


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<Snip>

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<Snip>

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Glad to see you back. Sorry about the inevitable derailment.
 Quoting: 74444


I had some business the past couple days.

Had to attend the new Training and Indoctrination Seminar from the Reptilian Galactic Overlords.

They asked why you weren't in attendance and I made up a story... hopefully they bought it because you know what the RGOs call human slackers -

"Lunch."

Fingers crossed.

Have fun.


R.
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Can someone provide a link to a serious discussion about EU theory.
Thank you.
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Can someone provide a link to a serious discussion about EU theory.
Thank you.
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[link to dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.de]

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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(and to the other debunkers, yes I didn't put the X in there just for IDW)



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You don't know the difference between a 'debunker' and a shit slinging monkey brained retarded google parrot.
You have demonstrated your ignorance repeatedly , as above with your comments on 'fields'.

I have successful debunked nearly every mainstream theory and proved the electric universe with observations. I didn't have to rely on fantastical science fiction to do it.
The fact that you fail to acknowledge it is irrelevant.
You are paid for your unintelligent opinion. For one thing you're demonstrably not nearly intelligent enough to understand either theory, you haven't even mastered third grade English or math.
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Can someone provide a link to a serious discussion about EU theory.
Thank you.
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[link to dealingwithcreationisminastronomy.blogspot.de]


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"General Physics

Every book on how to write applications & interpret the signals from GPS satellites emphasizes the importance of relativity in converting these signals into a high-precision receiver position (see Scott Rebuttal. I. GPS & Relativity). Yet EU supporters deny the importance of relativity in this application. Has any EU supporter designed and built a working high-precision (< 1 meter accuracy) GPS receiver that can be certified as free of relativistic corrections?"
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Assuming relativity was a correct theory, since the satellites are completely stationary relative to the positions they locate on the planets surface, it is not possible that relativity could be a factor in precision location.This claimed application of relativity is false, and no one as ever been able to explain he assertion, it's just made.
______________________________________


"General Plasma Physics

If EU claims that we should only rely on observations of plasmas and that our mathematical models are worthless,"
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Yes, that's what we say. Actual observations defy your models, making them useless.
We say science is an intellectual discipline based on empiricism, not on fanciful fairy tales that resemble a faith based religion more than anything else.
_______________________________
then where does that leave magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) (wikipedia)? Is MHD valid in its domain of applicability? If MHD is invalid and it is not possible to use it for building mathematical models of plasmas, aren't EU supporters saying that Alfven didn't deserve a Nobel prize for MHD
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I have serious doubts any of the Nobel laureates in physics were deserving of the prize
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Assuming relativity was a correct theory, since the satellites are completely stationary relative to the positions they locate on the planets surface, it is not possible that relativity could be a factor in precision location.This claimed application of relativity is false, and no one as ever been able to explain he assertion, it's just made.
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Wait. Are you claiming that GPS satellites are stationary relative to the Earth's surface?
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Where does it say GPS.
Nevermind i see it.
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I have successful debunked nearly every mainstream theory...
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Oh *that's* what you've done.

Of course.
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So, while IDW/A.A. now scrambles to walk back another amazingly basic mistake, apparently claiming and believing that GPS satellites are in geostationary orbits, here's some details about relativistic corrections in GPS.

"The GPS satellites are uniformly distributed in a total of six orbits such that there are four satellites per orbit. This number of satellites and spatial distribution of orbits insures that at least eight satellites can be simultaneously seen at any time from almost anywhere on Earth. The GPS satellites circle the Earth at an altitude of about 20,000 km (13,000 miles) and complete two full orbits every day. The GPS satellites are not in a geostationary orbit, but rise and set two times per day."

[link to www.cfa.harvard.edu]

"General Relativity (GR) predicts that clocks in a stronger gravitational field will tick at a slower rate. Special Relativity (SR) predicts that moving clocks will appear to tick slower than non-moving ones. Remarkably, these two effects cancel each other for clocks located at sea level anywhere on Earth. So if a hypothetical clock at Earth’s north or south pole is used as a reference, a clock at Earth’s equator would tick slower because of its relative speed due to Earth’s spin, but faster because of its greater distance from Earth’s center of mass due to the flattening of the Earth. Because Earth’s spin rate determines its shape, these two effects are not independent, and it is therefore not entirely coincidental that the effects exactly cancel. The cancellation is not general, however. Clocks at any altitude above sea level do tick faster than clocks at sea level; and clocks on rocket sleds do tick slower than stationary clocks.

For GPS satellites, GR predicts that the atomic clocks at GPS orbital altitudes will tick faster by about 45,900 ns/day because they are in a weaker gravitational field than atomic clocks on Earth's surface. Special Relativity (SR) predicts that atomic clocks moving at GPS orbital speeds will tick slower by about 7,200 ns/day than stationary ground clocks. Rather than have clocks with such large rate differences, the satellite clocks are reset in rate before launch to compensate for these predicted effects. In practice, simply changing the international definition of the number of atomic transitions that constitute a one-second interval accomplishes this goal. Therefore, we observe the clocks running at their offset rates before launch. Then we observe the clocks running after launch and compare their rates with the predictions of relativity, both GR and SR combined. If the predictions are right, we should see the clocks run again at nearly the same rates as ground clocks, despite using an offset definition for the length of one second.

We note that this post-launch rate comparison is independent of frame or observer considerations. Since the ground tracks repeat day after day, the distance from satellite to ground remains essentially unchanged. Yet, any rate difference between satellite and ground clocks continues to build a larger and larger time reading difference as the days go by. Therefore, no confusion can arise due to the satellite clock being located some distance away from the ground clock when we compare their time readings. One only needs to wait long enough and the time difference due to a rate discrepancy will eventually exceed any imaginable error source or ambiguity in such comparisons."


It continues:

"The highest precision GPS receiver data is collected continuously in two frequencies at 1.5-second intervals from all GPS satellites at five Air Force monitor stations distributed around the Earth. An in-depth discussion of the data and its analysis is beyond the scope of this paper. [1] This data shows that the on-board atomic clock rates do indeed agree with ground clock rates to the predicted extent, which varies slightly from nominal because the orbit actually achieved is not always precisely as planned. The accuracy of this comparison is limited mainly because atomic clocks change frequencies by small, semi-random amounts (of order 1 ns/day) at unpredictable times for reasons that are not fully understood. As a consequence, the long-term accuracy of these clocks is poorer than their short-term accuracy.

Therefore, we can assert with confidence that the predictions of relativity are confirmed to high accuracy over time periods of many days. In ground solutions with the data, new corrections for epoch offset and rate for each clock are determined anew typically once each day. These corrections differ by a few ns and a few ns/day, respectively, from similar corrections for other days in the same week. At much later times, unpredictable errors in the clocks build up with time squared, so comparisons with predictions become increasingly uncertain unless these empirical corrections are used. But within each day, the clock corrections remain stable to within about 1 ns in epoch and 1 ns/day in rate.

The initial clock rate errors just after launch would give the best indication of the absolute accuracy of the predictions of relativity because they would be least affected by accumulated random errors in clock rates over time. Unfortunately, these have not yet been studied. But if the errors were significantly greater than the rate variance among the 24 GPS satellites, which is less than 200 ns/day under normal circumstances, it would have been noticed even without a study. So we can state that the clock rate effect predicted by GR is confirmed to within no worse than ±200 / 45,900 or about 0.7%, and that predicted by SR is confirmed to within ±200 / 7,200 or about 3%. This is a very conservative estimate. In an actual study, most of that maximum 200 ns/day variance would almost certainly be accounted for by differences between planned and achieved orbits, and the predictions of relativity would be confirmed with much better precision.

12-hour variations (the orbital period) in clock rates due to small changes in the orbital altitude and speed of the satellites, caused by the small eccentricity of their orbits, are also detected. These are observed to be of the expected size for each GPS satellite's own orbit. For example, for an orbital eccentricity of 0.01, the amplitude of this 12-hour term is 23 ns. Contributions from both altitude and speed changes, while not separable, are clearly both present because the observed amplitude equals the sum of the two predicted amplitudes."

[link to www.metaresearch.org]


Looking forward to the IDWexcuse *this* time.
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Well, golly. I can't understand why IDW/A.A suddenly abandoned this thread.
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I have an unrelated question.
Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)
Thank you for any answer.
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I have an unrelated question.
Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)
Thank you for any answer.
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No.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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I have an unrelated question.
Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)
Thank you for any answer.
 Quoting: SUROH4711


No.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Could you explain why not.
Not really doubting you on this but i would love the reason for the no.
I do want to learn.
Thanks.
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I have an unrelated question.
Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)
Thank you for any answer.
 Quoting: SUROH4711


No.

.
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Could you explain why not.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because there is no point where the Sun is in between the constellation Orion.


Not really doubting you on this but i would love the reason for the no.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because the constellation Orion lies not on the ecliptic.


I do want to learn.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

[link to www.stellarium.org]


Thanks.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

You're welcome!

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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Total pipe dream theory but if its an electric universe and we are all Suns of God displayed in the Heaven above than perhaps this comment is a reflection of an Earthly Ascension?

I like this idea better, would make for a better movie and conspiracy.
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I have an unrelated question.
Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)
Thank you for any answer.
 Quoting: SUROH4711


No.

.
 Quoting: Hydra

Could you explain why not.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because there is no point where the Sun is in between the constellation Orion.
And earth.???


Not really doubting you on this but i would love the reason for the no.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because the constellation Orion lies not on the ecliptic.

Am i to understand then, that it is not possible due to Orions angle to the ecliptic??


I do want to learn.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

[link to www.stellarium.org]

Will go there to learn, thanks.




Thanks.
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You're welcome!

.
 Quoting: Hydra
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Assuming relativity was a correct theory, since the satellites are completely stationary relative to the positions they locate on the planets surface, it is not possible that relativity could be a factor in precision location.This claimed application of relativity is false, and no one as ever been able to explain he assertion, it's just made.
 Quoting: AA 49970719


And yet I was able to explain it after four minutes of searching. If IDW/A.A had done that, he wouldn't have made such a blunder again. Just goes to show about the fact that IDW/A.A will make and defend the claim long before he can be arsed to look into said claim. The Windows calculator comes to mind again.

Thread: Did we really go to the Moon? Why haven't we been back since 72? (Page 97)

Keep the thread going, but this one is definitely bookmarked and already on the List. IDW/A.A obviously wants to distance himself from it as much as is possible.

Like so many other claims of his.
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Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No.

.
 Quoting: Hydra

Could you explain why not.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because there is no point where the Sun is in between the constellation Orion.
And earth.???


Not really doubting you on this but i would love the reason for the no.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

Because the constellation Orion lies not on the ecliptic.

Am i to understand then, that it is not possible due to Orions angle to the ecliptic??


I do want to learn.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

[link to www.stellarium.org]

Will go there to learn, thanks.




Thanks.
 Quoting: SUROH4711

You're welcome!

.
 Quoting: Hydra

 Quoting: SUROH4711


Maybe our galaxy is in orbit with the dwarven galaxy some say is hidden there.
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Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thank you soo much.
New found respect for you.
PEACE.
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Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thank you soo much.
New found respect for you.
PEACE.
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De nada.
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Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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That makes a lot more sense, is it true the constellations would move in our sky if the poles shifted or have in the past?
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Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It is a woo woo thread (from your perspective) and you most likely would'nt ever agree with where i will go with this but you can be sure that it is only the red i will use.
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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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That makes a lot more sense, is it true the constellations would move in our sky if the poles shifted or have in the past?
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Sure. Imagine a Starwheel -- have you ever had or made one? It's a star map on a little wheel, and by dialing in the date and time you can see what's overhead. But the way the thing works is by having the center of the wheel on Polaris (or near enough, anyway).

So, the wheel is making some definitive assumptions: that the Earth's rotational pole is unchanging, at least as far as a person's lifetime is concerned. (We could talk about precession, but that happens over multi-thousands of years).

So the pole of the Earth, aligned with the heavens, is what causes the stars to spin about every night. The movement of the Earth around the Sun is why, slowly over the course of the year, the Sun moves through various constellations (the zodiac) and other stars appear in the nighttime sky, not lost in the Sun's glare.

So, if the poles shifted, Polaris would no longer be the North Star. The rotational center would move someplace else. All assumptions built into our simple starwheel would be incorrect.

And, because of its names history, Polaris has enjoyed its privileged position since the Late Antiquity, or from about the third century. Interestingly, Polaris will probably move some from its unique position in only a century or so.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

At any rate, we haven't had any giant shifts since at least Polaris was named.

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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Thank you soo much.
New found respect for you.
PEACE.
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De nada.
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It is to me.
May i copy that explanation and paste it on my thread???
It is a woo woo thread (from your perspective) and you most likely would'nt ever agree with where i will go with this but you can be sure that it is only the red i will use.
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Sure. I don't own the info, so credit the Wiki with the parts I quoted. And whether I would agree with where you'd go with it is irrelevant. But I truly appreciate your asking.
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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
Actually, Hydra, I believe you're incorrect on this one -- insofar as Orion does become a daytime constellation part of the year.

"Orion is most visible in the evening sky from January to March, winter in the Northern Hemisphere, and summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the tropics (less than about 8° from the equator), the constellation transits at the zenith.

In the period May–July (summer in the Northern Hemisphere, winter in the Southern Hemisphere), Orion is in the daytime sky and thus not visible at most latitudes. However, for much of Antarctica in the Southern Hemisphere's winter months, the Sun is below the horizon even at midday. Stars (and thus Orion) are then visible at twilight for a few hours around local noon, low in the North. At the same time of day at the South Pole itself (Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station), Rigel is only 8° above the horizon, and the Belt sweeps just along it. In the Southern Hemisphere's summer months, when Orion is normally visible in the night sky, the constellation is actually not visible in Antarctica because the sun does not set at that time of year south of the Antarctic Circle.

In countries close to the equator (e.g. Kenya, Indonesia, Colombia, Ecuador), Orion appears overhead in December around midnight and in the February evening sky."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: 74444

Looked at the question again and noticed that it consist of two (contradicting) parts:
"Is there a point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth ..."

The closest distance of the constellation Orion to the sun is 0°35' between June 19 and 21, 2014 (date changes during the years because of the precession of the equinoxes). Sun is in Taurus at that dates proceeding into Gemini on June 22nd.
Thus: No - there is no point where the Sun is in between Orion and earth.



"... that would make Orion appear in our day sky. (Not seen because of the brightness of the Sun.)"

Answered by you, 74444.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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