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Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.

 
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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
It would seem that you do not want predictions at all...

Rather, you created this thread simply to troll and deride anyone who adheres to the EU model.

Why would I, or anyone for that matter waste their time?

You've made it quite clear what your goals are, and it certainly is not to learn from any other poster.

When I clicked this thread, I was assuming the OP was a genuine question. Not a loaded one, with the responses already on deck. Good day.
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Where are the predictions from EU proponents?
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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
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Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Well now. It seems that the wannabe scientists are overcompensating for their ignorance again.
Do you really think that these mocking threads make you out to be halfway intelligent..?

They make you look like the immature little assholes that you obviously prefer to be.

Why don't you just admit that you are fucking clueless..?


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Well now. It seems that the wannabe scientists are overcompensating for their ignorance again.
Do you really think that these mocking threads make you out to be halfway intelligent..?

They make you look like the immature little assholes that you obviously prefer to be.

Why don't you just admit that you are fucking clueless..?


wb
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clappa
Op is a known fucktard in case you are unaware. he knows absolutely nothing about science
A toadfucking monkey brain slinging it's own shit out of it's cage at passers by.
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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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I was extreme;y specific in my prediction and the observations will be yet another confirmation of the electric universe.

To repeat, the comet will cause the exact same effects previous sun grazers of a similar size and perihelion have assuming it doesn't impact.

When it comes within a distance that allows it's tremendous charge to conduct across the gap of plasma between it and the Sun, an atypical CME composed of positively charge particles and nuclei directed at the comet will occur as the magnetic field of the suns surface is compromised.

If it impacts the Sun, a massive CME will occur apparently emanating from the Photosphere of the sun below the point of contact with the corona at some distance from the photosphere itself as the comet suddenly changes from a solid state to a plasma state. The sudden expansion will release many 'megaton equivalent' of energy , resulting in a breach of the integrity of the Suns magnetic containment and the release of a tremendous amount of electromagnetic energy and particle radiation. Depending on where the comet impacts, it is possible it could be detrimental to this planet and life on it, as well as possible massive damage to technological infrastructure in a lesser geoeffective event.

What we have going for us is the high odds the discharge of energy and matter will be directed mostly perpendicular to the point of impact or the point were the electrical discharge occurs, and it is unlikely to be precisely geoeffective. The less aligned with the earth a perpendicular from the surface of the sun were the event occurs, the less it will effect this planet.

In other words the odds are almost certain there will be an easily observable conformation of EU, but luckily the odds are on our side when it comes to detrimental Earth effects. At least one person has postulated the possibility that the 'trail' from ISON from the Sun to the Earth if it survives will enable an ion or charged particle transfer to occur along te pat of reduced resistivity is theoretically possible, but unlikely due to the odds of favorable alignment at a critical time.
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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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I was extreme;y specific in my prediction and the observations will be yet another confirmation of the electric universe.

To repeat, the comet will cause the exact same effects previous sun grazers of a similar size and perihelion have assuming it doesn't impact.

When it comes within a distance that allows it's tremendous charge to conduct across the gap of plasma between it and the Sun, an atypical CME composed of positively charge particles and nuclei directed at the comet will occur as the magnetic field of the suns surface is compromised.

If it impacts the Sun, a massive CME will occur apparently emanating from the Photosphere of the sun below the point of contact with the corona at some distance from the photosphere itself as the comet suddenly changes from a solid state to a plasma state. The sudden expansion will release many 'megaton equivalent' of energy , resulting in a breach of the integrity of the Suns magnetic containment and the release of a tremendous amount of electromagnetic energy and particle radiation. Depending on where the comet impacts, it is possible it could be detrimental to this planet and life on it, as well as possible massive damage to technological infrastructure in a lesser geoeffective event.

What we have going for us is the high odds the discharge of energy and matter will be directed mostly perpendicular to the point of impact or the point were the electrical discharge occurs, and it is unlikely to be precisely geoeffective. The less aligned with the earth a perpendicular from the surface of the sun were the event occurs, the less it will effect this planet.

In other words the odds are almost certain there will be an easily observable conformation of EU, but luckily the odds are on our side when it comes to detrimental Earth effects. At least one person has postulated the possibility that the 'trail' from ISON from the Sun to the Earth if it survives will enable an ion or charged particle transfer to occur along te pat of reduced resistivity is theoretically possible, but unlikely due to the odds of favorable alignment at a critical time.
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Thanks for the info.
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I predict that the intense turbulant magnet field of the sun's corona will buffet and bend ISON's ionised tail.

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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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It has never happened before so very difficult to "Be specfic". It will however be something never seen before. We do not have enough knowledge of antimatter electromagnetic reactions to even have a clue what to expect. Prepare to be amazed.
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-- > Insert bullshit here < --
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Is that you MR CORBYN ???????
 Quoting: SUROH4711


No - it's the Incredible Dim Asstrophyzzizzist, who claimed just some month ago that ISON is not a comet and now he plays the "comet expert":

It's not a comet.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicst 1350433
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


There is no tail and no coma because it is not a comet.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1184195
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There IS NO COMA you fucking liar. If there was a coma there would be a clearly defined tail.
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicist 1184195
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No, and the reason it's trajectory is so unusual is because it it not in orbit around the Sun
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicst 1350433
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When ISON gets to within the orbital distance of Mars it will be almost as if there is another Sun
 Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicst 1350433
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IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT MID DAY AND ILLUMINATE THE EARTH AT NIGHT..
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cruise
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Hey, would *those* count as predictions?

Looks to me like about par for IDW/A.A... but oh, yes. All those predictions are *someone else's fault.*

Just like December 21, 2012.
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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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It has never happened before so very difficult to "Be specfic". It will however be something never seen before. We do not have enough knowledge of antimatter electromagnetic reactions to even have a clue what to expect. Prepare to be amazed.
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That, at least, is *somewhat* testable, if not very specific. Any way to narrow that down?
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I predict a massive electric anomaly as ISON reaches near perihelion with our sun.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Nice try - but just another drivel.

"Massive electric anomaly" - what is it? Be specific.

Otherwise you might say "Hey there are two sunspots - you see, massive electric anomaly as I predicted.".


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It has never happened before so very difficult to "Be specfic". It will however be something never seen before. We do not have enough knowledge of antimatter electromagnetic reactions to even have a clue what to expect. Prepare to be amazed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48644412

Now we not only have an "electric comet", we have an "electric antimatter comet" - WOW
Do you even have the slightest clue what happens in an matter-antimatter reaction? And now guess what the solar wind is.

I thought you know the Thunderdolts model because you are convinced that it is right.
I thought you know how it works because you are convinced that the model is right.
I thought you are familiar with the z-pinch, solar resistor and all the other fancy things because you are convinced that the model is right.

May it be true that you just parot some woo-woo you don't understand?

I am shocked - not really.

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Last Edited by Hydra on 11/12/2013 04:05 PM
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
I see the Incredible DimWit stopped by to gibber incoherently. How nice.

We also have an assertion of an Antimatter Comet by AC48644412 which is admittedly "difficult to "Be specific"" for some reason. "It will however be something never seen before." and "Prepare to be amazed." are the "predictions" this guess elicits.
That is really not "specific" since the woowoos have an history of being "amazed" by the most mundane occurrances through their own ignorance of the topic they are commenting upon.
Contrary to the assertion that "We do not have enough knowledge of antimatter electromagnetic reactions to even have a clue what to expect." I would note that science is very, very familiar with antimatter reactions. The fringers wouldn't even know antimatter exists if not for mainstream science. The sum total of all antimatter produced on earth has been produce by mainstream science. After ~80 years our knowledge of antimatter has progressed such that it is used every day... ever hear of PET scans at your local hospital? How about PAS spectroscopy? Antimatter in action.

It is the fringers who think it is somehow extremely mysterious. It is to them since they have middle school educations.
To scientists... not so much. As Hydra stated, the interaction of antimatter with matter is very well understood and the annihilation of antimatter produces very specific radiation at very specific energy levels. Gamma Radiation.
The entire sky would be lit with gamma radiation photons as electrons and protons in the solar wind annhiliated positrons and antiprotons in the "antimatter comet":
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Detecting large quantities of these gamma photons from the comet would be unexplained by conventional science.
They have never been observed.

This idea is not a part of the Electric Universe/Electric Comet paradigm in any event.

The prediction as stated is rejected, but I will substitute unexplainable huge quantities of gamma photons from the comet as an "Antimatter Comet" prediction.
This does not mean GRBs detected can be assigned to ISON. Earth detectable GRBs occur about 2ce a day. The gamma radiation from ISON would be very specific and obviously from ISON.

That makes two predictions after all this time, neither of which are EU/EC related.


I wonder why none of the rabidly vocal EU/EC proponents here have stepped up to the plate with a specific prediction.
Not really.


R.
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STILL waiting for ONE (1) EU/EC prediction and turning blue in the face from holding my breath.
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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
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Yes, that does indeed happen. What you have written is from conventional science.
What's your point?
It has nothing to do with the EU/EC fantasy.

The process has nothing to do with any electrical charge on a comet. It occurs when completely (or nearly completely) ionized atoms in the solar wind encounter the atoms in the comet's coma.
It depends on the degree of ionization of the solar wind particles, not the comet.

The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

Nothing new or unusual and definitely does not indicate an "Electric Comet"... Just a plain old mundane comet made of dust, rocks, and ices.

Next.


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I see the Incredible DimWit stopped by to gibber incoherently. How nice.

We also have an assertion of an Antimatter Comet by AC48644412 which is admittedly "difficult to "Be specific"" for some reason. "It will however be something never seen before." and "Prepare to be amazed." are the "predictions" this guess elicits.
That is really not "specific" since the woowoos have an history of being "amazed" by the most mundane occurrances through their own ignorance of the topic they are commenting upon.
Contrary to the assertion that "We do not have enough knowledge of antimatter electromagnetic reactions to even have a clue what to expect." I would note that science is very, very familiar with antimatter reactions. The fringers wouldn't even know antimatter exists if not for mainstream science. The sum total of all antimatter produced on earth has been produce by mainstream science. After ~80 years our knowledge of antimatter has progressed such that it is used every day... ever hear of PET scans at your local hospital? How about PAS spectroscopy? Antimatter in action.

It is the fringers who think it is somehow extremely mysterious. It is to them since they have middle school educations.
To scientists... not so much. As Hydra stated, the interaction of antimatter with matter is very well understood and the annihilation of antimatter produces very specific radiation at very specific energy levels. Gamma Radiation.
The entire sky would be lit with gamma radiation photons as electrons and protons in the solar wind annhiliated positrons and antiprotons in the "antimatter comet":
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Detecting large quantities of these gamma photons from the comet would be unexplained by conventional science.
They have never been observed.

This idea is not a part of the Electric Universe/Electric Comet paradigm in any event.

The prediction as stated is rejected, but I will substitute unexplainable huge quantities of gamma photons from the comet as an "Antimatter Comet" prediction.
This does not mean GRBs detected can be assigned to ISON. Earth detectable GRBs occur about 2ce a day. The gamma radiation from ISON would be very specific and obviously from ISON.

That makes two predictions after all this time, neither of which are EU/EC related.


I wonder why none of the rabidly vocal EU/EC proponents here have stepped up to the plate with a specific prediction.
Not really.


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
STILL waiting for ONE (1) EU/EC prediction and turning blue in the face from holding my breath.
 Quoting: Reality420

Not really - he made his own thread - the wind blowing in his face was to strong here:
Thread: Electric Universe: Specific Predictions Concerning ISON (Page 10)

You don't have to read all 10 pages - just start at page 10 and have fun.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


Yes, that does indeed happen. What you have written is from conventional science.
What's your point?
It has nothing to do with the EU/EC fantasy.

The process has nothing to do with any electrical charge on a comet. It occurs when completely (or nearly completely) ionized atoms in the solar wind encounter the atoms in the comet's coma.
It depends on the degree of ionization of the solar wind particles, not the comet.

The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

Nothing new or unusual and definitely does not indicate an "Electric Comet"... Just a plain old mundane comet made of dust, rocks, and ices.

Next.


R.
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I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.

Two questions for you,

1 you said you wanted predictions about electrical phenomena in comets, what's wrong with these?

2 What is EU & EC ( apart from European union ) and what is thunderdolts?
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The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

R.
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BTW The theorised heavy ions involved are not protons or alpha particles as you said but highly ionised heavy ions such as C+5, C+6, N+7, O+7, and O+8. The de-excitation spectra of these ions match previous observations from comets.

Not a big deal just a point of clarification.
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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


Yes, that does indeed happen. What you have written is from conventional science.
What's your point?
It has nothing to do with the EU/EC fantasy.

The process has nothing to do with any electrical charge on a comet. It occurs when completely (or nearly completely) ionized atoms in the solar wind encounter the atoms in the comet's coma.
It depends on the degree of ionization of the solar wind particles, not the comet.

The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

Nothing new or unusual and definitely does not indicate an "Electric Comet"... Just a plain old mundane comet made of dust, rocks, and ices.

Next.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.

Two questions for you,

1 you said you wanted predictions about electrical phenomena in comets, what's wrong with these?

2 What is EU & EC ( apart from European union ) and what is thunderdolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960

EC = electric comet
EU = electric universe (either the sun is a capacitor or a resistor - the EU woo-woos are not in agreement about this)
Thunderdolts = David Talbot and Wallace Thornhill, solar resistor model, thunderbolts.info

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


Yes, that does indeed happen. What you have written is from conventional science.
What's your point?
It has nothing to do with the EU/EC fantasy.

The process has nothing to do with any electrical charge on a comet. It occurs when completely (or nearly completely) ionized atoms in the solar wind encounter the atoms in the comet's coma.
It depends on the degree of ionization of the solar wind particles, not the comet.

The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

Nothing new or unusual and definitely does not indicate an "Electric Comet"... Just a plain old mundane comet made of dust, rocks, and ices.

Next.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420

I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.
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That is, what we expect too.

The EU woo-woos expect electric discharges and/or million kilometers long sparks between ISON and the sun and Earth.

Like they "detected" it with Mars:
Thread: Mars was affected by ISON 10/3
Thread: mars now has a green coma?
Thread: Mars has "Gone Comet" - ISON gave it a tail!!!

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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I predict that as heavily +ve ionised gasses in the solar wind collide with atoms of gas in the comets coma, charge exchange will happen. The electrons grabbed by the solar wind gasses will fall to ground states emitting x-rays ( and UV ). How much more electrical do you want ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


Yes, that does indeed happen. What you have written is from conventional science.
What's your point?
It has nothing to do with the EU/EC fantasy.

The process has nothing to do with any electrical charge on a comet. It occurs when completely (or nearly completely) ionized atoms in the solar wind encounter the atoms in the comet's coma.
It depends on the degree of ionization of the solar wind particles, not the comet.

The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

Nothing new or unusual and definitely does not indicate an "Electric Comet"... Just a plain old mundane comet made of dust, rocks, and ices.

Next.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.

Two questions for you,

1 you said you wanted predictions about electrical phenomena in comets, what's wrong with these?

2 What is EU & EC ( apart from European union ) and what is thunderdolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960

EC = electric comet
EU = electric universe (either the sun is a capacitor or a resistor - the EU woo-woos are not in agreement about this)
Thunderdolts = David Talbot and Wallace Thornhill, solar resistor model, thunderbolts.info

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Thanks, I don't have time to read that website now, it all sounds a bit odd, last prediction before bed time.

When ISON enters the area of turbulent magnetic field of the sun, it's ion tail will be twisted, buffeted and deflected.
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Re: Electric Universe and Electric Comet folks - ISON predictions wanted.
Hmm..I am about as ignorant as most when it comes to things as seemingly misunderstood as comets. The EC/EU theory does make a hell of a lot more sense of the universe though. Electricity is the glue of all things. I am curious how things line up if ISON survives the trip around the sun though. I haven't been able to find much from NASA since before the martian experience.
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The fairy tale physics is useless. The universe is electric, and every single observation confirms it. All four of the forces are electric and there is not a single element of astrophysics that is not integrated with or dependent on electric interactions. Compare my theory of gravity and the four forces I postulated with lamestream theory!

According to Eisnteinian religion, gravity is caused by distortions in 'space time' caused by matter , and this is what holds the universe together.Bends' in nothing causes other matter to 'roll down into' and be captured by this 'dimple' in 'spacetime'.

There are so many impossibilities and inconsistencies only a dumbed down moron could believe such a fairy tale. I suppose it separates the idiots from te independent thinkers effectively if nothing else.
NO ONE, that claims to believe this claptrap understands it.

If gravity was caused by a distortion in space,cruise
matter would follow the curve of that distortion when 'rolled in to" other matter, instead of being drawn directly into it in a perfectly linear path.
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Hmm..I am about as ignorant as most when it comes to things as seemingly misunderstood as comets. The EC/EU theory does make a hell of a lot more sense of the universe though. Electricity is the glue of all things. I am curious how things line up if ISON survives the trip around the sun though. I haven't been able to find much from NASA since before the martian experience.
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It only makes more sense if the theory makes accurate predictions the current model does not.

Which is what this thread has been asking for since it got posted.
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I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.

Two questions for you,

1 you said you wanted predictions about electrical phenomena in comets, what's wrong with these?

2 What is EU & EC ( apart from European union ) and what is thunderdolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


You're predictions are all basically correct.
They are not fantasies and are based on conventional science's knowledge of comets (even though there is a lot to be discovered).

I assume you are a rationalist which would explain why you are unfamiliar with the fantasies that are the Electric Universe and Electric Comet.

1) Yes, I asked for predictions specific to the EU/EC models (such as they are).
You are making predictions conventional science would make.
The EU/EC proponents would be howling mad and label you a "shill" for your advocacy of rational thought.

2) They are internet pseudoscience which have their foundation in that renown physicist Velikovsky.
Wait... I spelled that wrong -
"that renown psychiatrist Velikovsky."
Yes, they are clinging to their own variations of Worlds in Collision except they have modified Velikovsky to where even the insane Velikovsky would reject them.

A) The main proponent of the Electric Comet delusion is one:
James McCanney who has a MS in maths I believe, and at one time was an instructor at Cornell University in New York until he was fired.
I see you may be from Europe so you may be unfamiliar with how academia works in the states.
An "instructor" is not a professor. Instructors are usually graduate students or those holding an MS who are given the position to aid in the financial burden of schooling. They teach the lower level classes because the actual PhD professor is bored to tears with such basic science and wishes to pursue his own advanced research and publish papers. The graduate students are taught by the Professor.

I mention this since you will hear McCanney referred to as "Professor" or "Doctor" and great importance will be made of his stint as an "Instructor" at Cornell.
He is not and never was a Professor or even an Assistant Professor, both of which in science usually require a PhD with the first tenured and the second not tenured but hoping to be.

In other words, he was an ordinary, run-of-the-mill Graduate Student... and apparently a pretty crazy one.
Lat I heard he was making a living from his EC website and had become a masseur.


B) The main proponents of the Electric Universe delusion are two guys in Australia on of whom does have a PhD in...
Electrical Engineering. When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Both of these loons are at each other's throats, which is funny if you enjoy a good kOOkfight as I do. McCanney is definitely the crazier of the two.


They believe various idiotic things including:
- There is no gravity or it is a minor force, its effects are purely electrically induced.
- The sun does not operate by fusion but by an electrical effect on the surface of the sun. Yes, vast quantities of electrons are flowing to the surface of the sun to produce the energy it produces. They don't seem to be able to answer why electrons are only detected flowing out of the sun, and why any electron would flow out of the sun if the sun is attracting huge quantities of galactic electrons.
- They can't address why the effects of this huge electron stream doesn't cause some pretty evident phenomena as they collide with the planets, asteroids, solar wind, &c on their way to the sun.
- They can't explain where this galactic battery is to be found that provides the EMF to drive the system.
- They can't explain what would be seen when electrons are approaching the sun at relativistic velocities.
- They can't explain how electrons could even hit the whole surface of the sun given the solar magnetic field.
- etc, etc.

The basic idea is that the universe is wired like some circuit board. "Capacitor" is a favourite term.
Like I said, When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Oh, they are also fascinated by plasma and cling to it like some magical totem.

Google:
"Electric Universe" Thunderbolts
"Electric Comets" McCanney
Prepare to have your brain melted and definitely do not drink coffee while reading.

This thread isn't about deconstructing either "theory", it is about the proponents making specific EU/EC predictions that are in contravention to mainstream science.

I don't care what the fantasy level of the proposal is, I just want a demonstration that the ideas can predict.
If it cannot, it isn't science theory.
I'm open minded enough that someone may come up with something no matter how idiotic... but they have to provide evidence.

Predicting things already known or predicting mundane, common phenomena is obviously not allowed.


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The fairy tale physics is useless. The universe is electric, and every single observation confirms it. All four of the forces are electric and there is not a single element of astrophysics that is not integrated with or dependent on electric interactions. Compare my theory of gravity and the four forces I postulated with lamestream theory!

According to Eisnteinian religion, gravity is caused by distortions in 'space time' caused by matter , and this is what holds the universe together.Bends' in nothing causes other matter to 'roll down into' and be captured by this 'dimple' in 'spacetime'.

There are so many impossibilities and inconsistencies only a dumbed down moron could believe such a fairy tale. I suppose it separates the idiots from te independent thinkers effectively if nothing else.
NO ONE, that claims to believe this claptrap understands it.

If gravity was caused by a distortion in space,cruise
matter would follow the curve of that distortion when 'rolled in to" other matter, instead of being drawn directly into it in a perfectly linear path.
 Quoting: anonymous astrophysicist 49889461


And thus, IDW/A.A has now identified the *calculus* conspiracy.

Sigh.
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The reaction is basically as you've stated. The ionized protons, helium nuclei, etc. strip electrons from the comet's gases and as they drop to the lower energy state they emit x-rays and UV. It is seen all the time in spectroscopy.

R.
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BTW The theorised heavy ions involved are not protons or alpha particles as you said but highly ionised heavy ions such as C+5, C+6, N+7, O+7, and O+8. The de-excitation spectra of these ions match previous observations from comets.

Not a big deal just a point of clarification.
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Yes, thank you.
(That was part of the etc., but I hadn't reviewed the spectra to see the energy levels involved.)


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Hmm..I am about as ignorant as most when it comes to things as seemingly misunderstood as comets. The EC/EU theory does make a hell of a lot more sense of the universe though. Electricity is the glue of all things. I am curious how things line up if ISON survives the trip around the sun though. I haven't been able to find much from NASA since before the martian experience.
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In some cases "ignorance" is not a bad thing. I don't know who lady gaga is and I don't feel one bit less as a result of my ignorance.
cruise.

Your brain is not unlike a computer, and if viruses are programed into it , it cannot properly function. This is called academics, or more to the point, brainwashing.

A person like yourself simply makes a logical conclusion based on what he can see and understand himself, and you are dead nuts on the right track!
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Thanks, I don't have time to read that website now, it all sounds a bit odd, last prediction before bed time.

When ISON enters the area of turbulent magnetic field of the sun, it's ion tail will be twisted, buffeted and deflected.
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Yes, and if it survives it will in all probability have the tail (and perhaps the coma) blown away by the solar wind.

You're in for a treat with the EU/EC delusions.


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In some cases "ignorance" is not a bad thing. I don't know who lady gaga is and I don't feel one bit less as a result of my ignorance.

 Quoting: anonymous astrophysicist 49889461


Apparently you can replace 'Lady Gaga' there with a great many subjects, many of them scientific.

See? *That's* an ad hominem!
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I predict that ices in the comet nucleus will sublimate as they are warmed by the sun. The liberated gasses will be ionised by the UV flux from the sun forming an +ve ion tail feature and inducing a magnetic field centred on the nucleus. This field will generate a bow shock in the face of rapidly moving solar wind particles and trap cometary gas ions as an excited plasma.

Two questions for you,

1 you said you wanted predictions about electrical phenomena in comets, what's wrong with these?

2 What is EU & EC ( apart from European union ) and what is thunderdolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5569960


You're predictions are all basically correct.
They are not fantasies and are based on conventional science's knowledge of comets (even though there is a lot to be discovered).

I assume you are a rationalist which would explain why you are unfamiliar with the fantasies that are the Electric Universe and Electric Comet.

1) Yes, I asked for predictions specific to the EU/EC models (such as they are).
You are making predictions conventional science would make.
The EU/EC proponents would be howling mad and label you a "shill" for your advocacy of rational thought.

2) They are internet pseudoscience which have their foundation in that renown physicist Velikovsky.
Wait... I spelled that wrong -
"that renown psychiatrist Velikovsky."
Yes, they are clinging to their own variations of Worlds in Collision except they have modified Velikovsky to where even the insane Velikovsky would reject them.

A) The main proponent of the Electric Comet delusion is one:
James McCanney who has a MS in maths I believe, and at one time was an instructor at Cornell University in New York until he was fired.
I see you may be from Europe so you may be unfamiliar with how academia works in the states.
An "instructor" is not a professor. Instructors are usually graduate students or those holding an MS who are given the position to aid in the financial burden of schooling. They teach the lower level classes because the actual PhD professor is bored to tears with such basic science and wishes to pursue his own advanced research and publish papers. The graduate students are taught by the Professor.

I mention this since you will hear McCanney referred to as "Professor" or "Doctor" and great importance will be made of his stint as an "Instructor" at Cornell.
He is not and never was a Professor or even an Assistant Professor, both of which in science usually require a PhD with the first tenured and the second not tenured but hoping to be.

In other words, he was an ordinary, run-of-the-mill Graduate Student... and apparently a pretty crazy one.
Lat I heard he was making a living from his EC website and had become a masseur.


B) The main proponents of the Electric Universe delusion are two guys in Australia on of whom does have a PhD in...
Electrical Engineering. When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Both of these loons are at each other's throats, which is funny if you enjoy a good kOOkfight as I do. McCanney is definitely the crazier of the two.


They believe various idiotic things including:
- There is no gravity or it is a minor force, its effects are purely electrically induced.
- The sun does not operate by fusion but by an electrical effect on the surface of the sun. Yes, vast quantities of electrons are flowing to the surface of the sun to produce the energy it produces. They don't seem to be able to answer why electrons are only detected flowing out of the sun, and why any electron would flow out of the sun if the sun is attracting huge quantities of galactic electrons.
- They can't address why the effects of this huge electron stream doesn't cause some pretty evident phenomena as they collide with the planets, asteroids, solar wind, &c on their way to the sun.
- They can't explain where this galactic battery is to be found that provides the EMF to drive the system.
- They can't explain what would be seen when electrons are approaching the sun at relativistic velocities.
- They can't explain how electrons could even hit the whole surface of the sun given the solar magnetic field.
- etc, etc.

The basic idea is that the universe is wired like some circuit board. "Capacitor" is a favourite term.
Like I said, When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Oh, they are also fascinated by plasma and cling to it like some magical totem.

Google:
"Electric Universe" Thunderbolts
"Electric Comets" McCanney
Prepare to have your brain melted and definitely do not drink coffee while reading.

This thread isn't about deconstructing either "theory", it is about the proponents making specific EU/EC predictions that are in contravention to mainstream science.

I don't care what the fantasy level of the proposal is, I just want a demonstration that the ideas can predict.
If it cannot, it isn't science theory.
I'm open minded enough that someone may come up with something no matter how idiotic... but they have to provide evidence.

Predicting things already known or predicting mundane, common phenomena is obviously not allowed.


R.
kOOks lie. Constantly. It's part of the job description.
 Quoting: Reality420


Thank you for your full answer, now I really do need to get to bed, ISON will be rising over the horizon in less than an hour and I don't want to get electrocuted ;)

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