Why did police send 429 Sandy Hook students outside during an active shooter response?

If patrol cars were transporting hemorrhaging children because time was of the essence, I don't see why a rig couldn't transport uninjured when time was of the essence.

Ambulances at Columbine seem to have been quite a bit more involved in patient care:

"11:52 – 11:59 a.m. About the time that Klebold and Harris shoot at and ignite one of the pre-deployed incendiary devices in the cafeteria, R11 and R13 are deployed to the Southwest Parking Lot (Figure 2) where they join with a police SWAT team in an effort to rescue multiple victims. Although SWAT advises the EMS crews that the scene is secure, R11 and R13 report by radio that they are “taking gunfire”. They position their ambulances to protect the patient loading areas from the direct line of fire. SWAT remains on scene with weapons aimed at the second floor of the library while EMS affect the rescue of 3 critically injured victims and confirm that a fourth is dead. No law enforcement or EMS personnel are injured."

[link to ispub.com]

"Separating a relatively low number of severely injured persons from literally a sea of uninjured people was the biggest triage challenge faced by the emergency responders at Columbine High School. While still en route to the initial call, the response complement was increased from two to four ambulances and an aeromedical helicopter was placed on stand-by by the Littleton Fire Department. Soon after arriving on the scene, further additional ambulances were requested. This quick action prevented the EMS resources from becoming completely overwhelmed. As severely injured persons were identified, they were transported."

Note that last heartbreaking sentence--well, heartbreaking for anyone who things patients at SHS may have needed transport but didn't get it: "As severely injured persons were identified, they were transported."

It does not say, "After severely injured persons were identified, they were not transported, and 1000 excuses were posted on internet forums as to why transport--though repeatedly asked for by officers on scene--did not enter the scene."

I don't doubt that protocol presupposes a staging area. I do doubt claims that not one, single, ambulance was needed right outside the school, especially as you have officers screaming over the air for just that.

Just a quick comment about the lockdown...my kids were in a semi nearby town (about 30 minutes away) in their elementary school and were kept in lockdown well into the late afternoon due to the activity at SHE. Not sure if it means anything - but it does seem to show that they were thinking there was still danger around well after the event took place. And if the lone shooter had killed himself, then why keep so many surrounding towns in lockdown for so long?

answer: because the script writers for sandy hoax are missing a couple of marbles. actually the perps are on serious schedules and tend to get sloppy with details

Yes - great point.

I'm prepared for explanations--e.g. explosives in the building and what not. But you're absolutely correct: if it was best for nearby schools to shelter in place, why not the kids at SHS too?

Hmmmm good point. When did they decide to evacuate the kids? Was it before or after the EMS arrived? If was after the EMS arrived then I can only assume they should have been allowed in the school.

Definitely includes after. They were evacuating kids even as CSP were screaming for ambulances to be brought in, and none were.

'should have been allowed'?
EMS was allowed in the school. paramedics determined those remaining to be deceased except for Hammond and another female with a minor injury.




CSP was not asking for ambulances to be brought to the school building itself, so you were telling another lie to add to your thousands with your 'none were' propaganda.

No Brazil. EMS was not let into the school.

If they were evacuating kids while screaming for ambulances then EMS should have been allowed in the building.

Yeah, who needs an ambulance on the scene when 26 people were shot? That's just a waste of gas! If some guy walks in and says, "They're all dead," then that must mean they're all dead, right? No need to inquire further or take them to the hospital, right?

No ambulances were needed because it was a freaking drill.

I know they were.

Paramedics(EMS) were allowed in the building. You were mistaken or lying if you thought otherwise.

No one was screaming for ambulances to the building.

If you make an extrardinary claim otherwise to this, you will need to provide your source.

CSP screamed, "Get the buses - send them right up to me."

What you are posing as sarcasm is actually correct.

In a mass casualty incident, all deceased are left on scene until the scene investigation is done with their bodies. In a mass casualty incident, deceased is determined basically by lack of pulse and respirations.

If youd like to learn more, you can google 'mass casualty incident protocol' and 'START triage' and 'jumpstart triage.'

However, based on the level of idiocy in your comment, Its obvious you are not interested in truth.

Fairfield Co Police, Fire, EMS 09:57:49 AM Male: “...nit come, to the base of the school, not...[?] I'll be here right at the base, we gotta get injured parties out, start getting' 'em out.”

Fairfield Co Police, Fire, EMS 09:59:56 AM Male: “[...], we're starting to get the injured out.”

Fairfield Co Police, Fire, EMS 10:00:44 AM Male, agitated: “Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me.”

Fairfield Co Police, Fire, EMS 10:00:50 AM Male, agitated: “401, get the bus! [Buddis], get the bus!”

This is not about deceased. This is about non-deceased.

Well you better correct LT VAnce and the others

Youve just screwed yourself you liar.

Quote me where Vance said they werent let into the building...


(he didnt)

The person I was responding to was talking about taking the deceased vitims to a hospital.

You- OK if you wanna talk about non-deceased, who you wanna talk about?
-The two children who still had faint pulses who were taken out quickly?
-Hammond who was taken out quickly?
-or the female with a minor wound who could wait?

or was there someone else injured that you know about that the rest of us dont?

Lets see what kinda lies you claim now...

Whats the 'bus' referring to?
Who was this person saying it?
Where were they when they asked for that?
What were they asking for it for?

Base of the school. "Send the ambulance right up to me."

It's quite clear.

Two children with faint pulses?

You mean the girl Chapman carried out from Soto's room AND Ana AND James from Rousseau's?

That's three.

Is this this going to end up a page 7?

Brazil sure is agitated that and says we are lying

When we provide source Brazil says source ia not official record but Brazil will not provide official record for his/her argument...
why?

I thinks it is Lt. Vance. Dude lights up when his name is brought up. States that Lt. Vance is the say all be all.

Actually believes that facts are only from officials. Only a tard cop would think like that.

Good call AC 315 ;)

Back to the topic at hand. Shannon Hicks was first on scene. I believe she says she got there around 9:45. If so then the photo she released of the kids being evacuated definitely stands in stark contrast of protocol.

If they are evacuating kids in a neat and orderly fashion at 9:45 then EMS should be allowed in correct?

And likewise, why, in the one photo, is a police officer running at top speed with two women and a child?

If there is a need to run based on the presumption a shooter may be on the roof, or in the woods, or targeting the parking lot from inside the school, etc., proper protocol is not to race right through the front parking lot.

Keep in mind this is the front door, and parking lot approach, which officers considered so dangerous (acc. to Brazil) that they couldn't even enter the building there based on the theory that wherever a shooter blasted his way in is the most dangerous spot of all, could be booby trapped, etc.

Yet countless little kids are just marched (or run) right out that exact spot.

If time is of the essence to such an extent you need to evacuate kids past that hole, kids who have been sheltering in place, then you can certainly risk the officers entering through that hole so as to reach the shooter quicker and save lives.

Yesterday's mapping debacle notwithstanding, I still question whether that hole in the glass was there. I think it was not.

I think the shooter was already inside the school because he got in through unlocked doors--I don't even feel he was likely buzzed in. There are too many indications the event started much earlier than stated.

And as always, I don't even know if I believe there were shooters at all. Much of the existing testimony described noises, smells, and sights consistent with smoke canisters.

And I continue to think it possible that deceased were in fact inside the school. But I really question whether they were killed at the school, if so. It is simply not possible for so many people, allegedly having just been shot, to fail to bleed. Now we have even more officers coming forward saying they carried injured children out (which door?)

Yet there is not one, single drop of biological evidence visible in the parking lot, on officers, on cars, on parents, on other students, anywhere. As far as we know, no biohazard team was called in to clean up what would otherwise have required an extremely intensive scene treatment.

The contrast between this article on crime scene cleanup, and Sandy Hook, will be obvious:

[link to science.howstuffworks.com]