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WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??

 
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WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
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Why would he have created this whole mess in the first place if he knew we would all fall? So much for free will...
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
I think Yeehaa cast Santa out on the 3rd October.
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I can answer all this. Right now it's 3 in the morning my time. Just getting ready to go to sleep. Check back later this week. I promise.

Satan has been cursed to this world. He has been denied interstellar flight. He can't leave this planet.
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The Spacetime continuum suggests that interstellar travel would be highly unlikely, if not impossible, unless the laws of physics were broken. Meaning that if we have ever been visited by aliens, or ever will be, these entities would have had to of achieved time-travel in order to breach the vast distances between stellar systems. Thus, aliens may exist beyond our known physical realm, able to travel forward in time, back in time, or possibly even stop time. In essence, outside the dimensions of time.

Undoubtedly somewhere among our infinite Universe they do exist. Supernatural beings, spiritual by definition. Even eternal.

And if they have visited? We must consider the possibility that they have been governed, instructed, or restricted from interfering. Or that they have deemed us a petty insignificance of no use.

And yet, mankind's collective theology implies that there is good and evil, moral and unmoral, ethical and unethical forces upon us, interfering or even nurturing our organic existence. Coincidental? Or is religion a scientific theory?
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
Hell is not a place. It is state of consciences. An evolution of the soul. God doesn't send anybody to hell. That's a metaphor. When we die we all go to the same place, we all enter into the presence of God. He is everywhere.

Sorry I can't chat longer. But if anybody wants to chat. Meet here on this thread. I'll be back soon.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


I thought satan's dominion was earth.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
I can answer all this. Right now it's 3 in the morning my time. Just getting ready to go to sleep. Check back later this week. I promise.

Satan has been cursed to this world. He has been denied interstellar flight. He can't leave this planet.
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so was satan/lucifer here before Adam and Eve?
must have.
when did god create lucifer?? we don't know?
and yet it is important.
why does the bible mention lucifer and then it tells us nothing of any value about this creature?
this creature who is the most important entity to the existance of humans on this planet?

it is bizarre.

if we assume as a given that out of teh trillions of planets in the universe god chose this particular one which to make a jail planet for lucifer : then why put us humans on this very same planet? when he could have put us on any of the otehr trillion planets around the universe?
it's crazy,

but if we read the book of job, then it may start to make sense?
in this book, god and lucifer appear to have daily meetings and place bets with each other to see at what point Job will find the plagues inflicted upon him, unbearable?

so if yahweeh and lucifer are on such bad terms, why are they colluding to torment Job??
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This universe is a virtual reality for entertainment. It does not make sense to you, but it surely pleases God. Everything is controlled, so do not worry about it.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
I don't know the answer but maybe Satan was cast out of heaven
when Adam and Eve were created on Earth?
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
so was satan/lucifer here before Adam and Eve?
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Depends on what do you mean by "here". They were brought down roughly at the same time.

when did god create lucifer?? we don't know?
and yet it is important.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


He was created before Adam and Eve, like all other angels and jinns.

why does the bible mention lucifer and then it tells us nothing of any value about this creature?
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


"Lucifer", or Satan, whose real name is Iblees, is a Jinn, and NOT an angel. The simple logic is that angels have no free will, thus how could Satan have disobeyed God in the first place? It only makes sense when we know that he is a jinn (there are 2, lets call them "energy beings", created by God: Angels and Jinn. Angels are made of "light" and jinn are made of "smokeless fire" (probably some form of energy) - they are interdimensional species who can enter our dimension while we cannot enter theirs)

if we assume as a given that out of teh trillions of planets in the universe god chose this particular one which to make a jail planet for lucifer : then why put us humans on this very same planet? when he could have put us on any of the otehr trillion planets around the universe?
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


Because Iblees pleaded to God but was arrogant and said that he could turn ALL humans against God, if God would only allow him freedom to do this. And God allowed him to TRY and do this -> thus the whole point why humans have free will - they can choose who will they follow. That is the whole meaning of our life. To actually EARN paradise, so that we may know we fought for it and we deserved it rightly so.




"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers." - 2:34

"[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." - 7:12

"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord." - 18:50

"[ Allah ] said, "Then get out of Paradise, for indeed, you are expelled.
And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
[ Allah ] said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved until the Day of the time well-known."
[Iblees] said, "By your might, I will surely mislead them all. Except, among them, Your chosen servants."
[ Allah ] said, "The truth [is My oath], and the truth I say - [That] I will surely fill Hell with you and those of them that follow you all together." - 38:77-85

All quotes are from the Qur'an.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


OP, every single one of your questions indicate no spiritual understanding. It appears that you have taken every carnal understanding, rolled them into a ball, and now wonder why nothing makes sense.

The Bible mentions nothing of what you write of....

Why did Jesus call Peter, "Satan"? He tells you: because Peter's mind was on the things of men, not God. Please use this valuable key....Satan/mind/man.
Peter did not understand nor believe what Jesus had said would happen. Why not? Because his mind was on the things of men...

1950
Vast majority perceive an unborn baby as life and a blessing

2013
Large percentage view an unborn baby as a clump of cells, a burden and something not inherently worth of life.

The baby never changed.
So what happened?
Ask anyone who supports abortion and he'll regurgitate what he's been told
"Doctor's say the fetus is viable at 24 weeks"
"it's not murder, it is a woman's right"
Etc etc etc

They can no longer see the unborn baby as a baby human and a life and blessing because the adversary came along and sold man's wisdom as truth. See, Peter was called satan because his understanding was based upon the things of men in his mind. He could not see past it, he had no idea that Jesus would even die. In the same process, the western nations have embraced the wisdom/knowledge of men and now slaughter their own unborn children because that wisdom/knowledge from men has blinded them to truth of an unborn baby. No differently than why a hypnotised person up on a stage perceives an audience as naked when not twenty minutes earlier he saw that audience as fully clothed.

Jesus told us all: the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
It does so through the mind.

Every single one of your suppositions come from men. Therefore, you cannot see past them. If there is truly a desire to understand truth, embrace loving the truth. Loving the truth involves being able to let go of falsehoods and lies when presented with His truth. And it is He that teaches and leads us into all truth.
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When the sun SET.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


Here you go OP, google is your friend. I found this is 1.82 seconds.

[link to www.holypop.com]
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
The bible doesnt tell us when but other books do.

You have to read the Darkside books to find details about them.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
so was satan/lucifer here before Adam and Eve?
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


Depends on what do you mean by "here". They were brought down roughly at the same time.

when did god create lucifer?? we don't know?
and yet it is important.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


He was created before Adam and Eve, like all other angels and jinns.

why does the bible mention lucifer and then it tells us nothing of any value about this creature?
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


"Lucifer", or Satan, whose real name is Iblees, is a Jinn, and NOT an angel. The simple logic is that angels have no free will, thus how could Satan have disobeyed God in the first place? It only makes sense when we know that he is a jinn (there are 2, lets call them "energy beings", created by God: Angels and Jinn. Angels are made of "light" and jinn are made of "smokeless fire" (probably some form of energy) - they are interdimensional species who can enter our dimension while we cannot enter theirs)

if we assume as a given that out of teh trillions of planets in the universe god chose this particular one which to make a jail planet for lucifer : then why put us humans on this very same planet? when he could have put us on any of the otehr trillion planets around the universe?
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


Because Iblees pleaded to God but was arrogant and said that he could turn ALL humans against God, if God would only allow him freedom to do this. And God allowed him to TRY and do this -> thus the whole point why humans have free will - they can choose who will they follow. That is the whole meaning of our life. To actually EARN paradise, so that we may know we fought for it and we deserved it rightly so.




"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers." - 2:34

"[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." - 7:12

"And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord." - 18:50

"[ Allah ] said, "Then get out of Paradise, for indeed, you are expelled.
And indeed, upon you is My curse until the Day of Recompense."
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected."
[ Allah ] said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved until the Day of the time well-known."
[Iblees] said, "By your might, I will surely mislead them all. Except, among them, Your chosen servants."
[ Allah ] said, "The truth [is My oath], and the truth I say - [That] I will surely fill Hell with you and those of them that follow you all together." - 38:77-85

All quotes are from the Qur'an.
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kindly take your allah false god BS and cram it where the sun don't shine.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


OP, every single one of your questions indicate no spiritual understanding.
It appears that you have taken every carnal understanding, rolled them into a ball, and now wonder why nothing makes sense.

The Bible mentions nothing of what you write of....

Why did Jesus call Peter, "Satan"? He tells you: because Peter's mind was on the things of men, not God. Please use this valuable key....Satan/mind/man.
Peter did not understand nor believe what Jesus had said would happen. Why not? Because his mind was on the things of men...

1950
Vast majority perceive an unborn baby as life and a blessing

2013
Large percentage view an unborn baby as a clump of cells, a burden and something not inherently worth of life.

The baby never changed.
So what happened?
Ask anyone who supports abortion and he'll regurgitate what he's been told
"Doctor's say the fetus is viable at 24 weeks"
"it's not murder, it is a woman's right"
Etc etc etc

They can no longer see the unborn baby as a baby human and a life and blessing because the adversary came along and sold man's wisdom as truth. See, Peter was called satan because his understanding was based upon the things of men in his mind. He could not see past it, he had no idea that Jesus would even die. In the same process, the western nations have embraced the wisdom/knowledge of men and now slaughter their own unborn children because that wisdom/knowledge from men has blinded them to truth of an unborn baby. No differently than why a hypnotised person up on a stage perceives an audience as naked when not twenty minutes earlier he saw that audience as fully clothed.

Jesus told us all: the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
It does so through the mind.

Every single one of your suppositions come from men. Therefore, you cannot see past them. If there is truly a desire to understand truth, embrace loving the truth. Loving the truth involves being able to let go of falsehoods and lies when presented with His truth. And it is He that teaches and leads us into all truth.
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First thing you did was insult the guy, nice going. He/she wishes to understand. You couldn't even open your mouth without a loudmouth rude insult. You're being arrogant and assumptious.

Refute this, Preacher, Get your bible out and try to keep, o-wise-one.



The Book of Enoch was quoted in the Book of Jude. The Book of Jude is the last book in the Bible before the Book of Revelation. Jude was one of the four brothers of Jesus (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55). Jude 1:14-15 contains a direct quote of a prophecy from The Book of Enoch (Enoch 1:9)

A direct and absolute indication that the Apostles regarded the Book of Enoch as divine scripture, inspired by God, and worthy of reference.

The Book of Enoch is not in the Bible. However, remnants of Book of Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and also, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canonized* the Book of Enoch. (*officially declared authentic and regarded as sacred text)

For all you bible "experts" who will ask why The Book of Enoch isn't in the Bible, consider the context in first two verses of the Book of Enoch; "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation" "..I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one* which is for to come**.

(*a future generation, **that has yet to come)

The Book of Enoch has been reserved for the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation.

If you want to reject The Book of Enoch as authentic, then turn to the back of your bible and rip out the Book of Jude. Because you're now disagreeing with the inspired Word of God.

Anonymous Coward 49733247, until you correct me if I'm wrong, take a back seat and SHUT UP.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


OP, every single one of your questions indicate no spiritual understanding.
It appears that you have taken every carnal understanding, rolled them into a ball, and now wonder why nothing makes sense.

The Bible mentions nothing of what you write of....

Why did Jesus call Peter, "Satan"? He tells you: because Peter's mind was on the things of men, not God. Please use this valuable key....Satan/mind/man.
Peter did not understand nor believe what Jesus had said would happen. Why not? Because his mind was on the things of men...

1950
Vast majority perceive an unborn baby as life and a blessing

2013
Large percentage view an unborn baby as a clump of cells, a burden and something not inherently worth of life.

The baby never changed.
So what happened?
Ask anyone who supports abortion and he'll regurgitate what he's been told
"Doctor's say the fetus is viable at 24 weeks"
"it's not murder, it is a woman's right"
Etc etc etc

They can no longer see the unborn baby as a baby human and a life and blessing because the adversary came along and sold man's wisdom as truth. See, Peter was called satan because his understanding was based upon the things of men in his mind. He could not see past it, he had no idea that Jesus would even die. In the same process, the western nations have embraced the wisdom/knowledge of men and now slaughter their own unborn children because that wisdom/knowledge from men has blinded them to truth of an unborn baby. No differently than why a hypnotised person up on a stage perceives an audience as naked when not twenty minutes earlier he saw that audience as fully clothed.

Jesus told us all: the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
It does so through the mind.

Every single one of your suppositions come from men. Therefore, you cannot see past them. If there is truly a desire to understand truth, embrace loving the truth. Loving the truth involves being able to let go of falsehoods and lies when presented with His truth. And it is He that teaches and leads us into all truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49733247


First thing you did was insult the guy, nice going. He/she wishes to understand. You couldn't even open your mouth without a loudmouth rude insult. You're being arrogant and assumptious.

Refute this, Preacher, Get your bible out and try to keep, o-wise-one.



The Book of Enoch was quoted in the Book of Jude. The Book of Jude is the last book in the Bible before the Book of Revelation. Jude was one of the four brothers of Jesus (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55). Jude 1:14-15 contains a direct quote of a prophecy from The Book of Enoch (Enoch 1:9)

A direct and absolute indication that the Apostles regarded the Book of Enoch as divine scripture, inspired by God, and worthy of reference.

The Book of Enoch is not in the Bible. However, remnants of Book of Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and also, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canonized* the Book of Enoch. (*officially declared authentic and regarded as sacred text)

For all you bible "experts" who will ask why The Book of Enoch isn't in the Bible, consider the context in first two verses of the Book of Enoch; "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation" "..I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one* which is for to come**.

(*a future generation, **that has yet to come)

The Book of Enoch has been reserved for the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation.

If you want to reject The Book of Enoch as authentic, then turn to the back of your bible and rip out the Book of Jude. Because you're now disagreeing with the inspired Word of God.

Anonymous Coward 49733247, until you correct me if I'm wrong, TAKE A BACK-SEAT AND SHUT UP.

 Quoting: Time's fool

His "insult" was far less condescending than your entire post, and less of an insult than an observation.

These are spritital matters and the AC was correct in stating that the carnal world view impedes understanding of the spriritual.

He then proceeded to give excellent examples, while you blathered on incessently about Enoch.

I have no problem with Enoch, as a supplemental reading tool, but all one needs to understand the Bible is already contained therein. You're accusing the AC of arrogance and then tell him to SHUT UP? What kind of a "teacher" does that? Certainly not one I want to listen to.

What are you so afraid of? The AC's post was the best and most truthful in the thread IMO.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
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Re: WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
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MBECCU, you have several questions, which will take time to explain. And I will. But I can't do it and at the same time argue with arrogant trolls. Perhaps it would be better to send me a private message, if you would like.

For now I will address your questions here, so long as everybody would like to listen. If not, I'll go silent.

First, I'd like to further explain my beliefs about hell. Is it an actual place? Or a metaphor? The bible is full of metaphors, for we can not understand His ways. The afterlife is beyond our comprehension.

But what did Jesus say about the Kingdom of God?

Jesus said this, "..the kingdom of God is within you." ~ LUKE 17:21

If the kingdom of God is within us, shouldn't we suspect that the realms of hell are within as as well?
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i think that this fellow explains it all pretty well.....






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It's not Satan who was cast out from heaven but Lucifer. They are not the same.
Satan was Yawhweh' son as was Enki, the fallen angel.
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a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
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OP, every single one of your questions indicate no spiritual understanding.
It appears that you have taken every carnal understanding, rolled them into a ball, and now wonder why nothing makes sense.

The Bible mentions nothing of what you write of....

Why did Jesus call Peter, "Satan"? He tells you: because Peter's mind was on the things of men, not God. Please use this valuable key....Satan/mind/man.
Peter did not understand nor believe what Jesus had said would happen. Why not? Because his mind was on the things of men...

1950
Vast majority perceive an unborn baby as life and a blessing

2013
Large percentage view an unborn baby as a clump of cells, a burden and something not inherently worth of life.

The baby never changed.
So what happened?
Ask anyone who supports abortion and he'll regurgitate what he's been told
"Doctor's say the fetus is viable at 24 weeks"
"it's not murder, it is a woman's right"
Etc etc etc

They can no longer see the unborn baby as a baby human and a life and blessing because the adversary came along and sold man's wisdom as truth. See, Peter was called satan because his understanding was based upon the things of men in his mind. He could not see past it, he had no idea that Jesus would even die. In the same process, the western nations have embraced the wisdom/knowledge of men and now slaughter their own unborn children because that wisdom/knowledge from men has blinded them to truth of an unborn baby. No differently than why a hypnotised person up on a stage perceives an audience as naked when not twenty minutes earlier he saw that audience as fully clothed.

Jesus told us all: the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
It does so through the mind.

Every single one of your suppositions come from men. Therefore, you cannot see past them. If there is truly a desire to understand truth, embrace loving the truth. Loving the truth involves being able to let go of falsehoods and lies when presented with His truth. And it is He that teaches and leads us into all truth.
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First thing you did was insult the guy, nice going. He/she wishes to understand. You couldn't even open your mouth without a loudmouth rude insult. You're being arrogant and assumptious.

Refute this, Preacher, Get your bible out and try to keep, o-wise-one.



The Book of Enoch was quoted in the Book of Jude. The Book of Jude is the last book in the Bible before the Book of Revelation. Jude was one of the four brothers of Jesus (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55). Jude 1:14-15 contains a direct quote of a prophecy from The Book of Enoch (Enoch 1:9)

A direct and absolute indication that the Apostles regarded the Book of Enoch as divine scripture, inspired by God, and worthy of reference.

The Book of Enoch is not in the Bible. However, remnants of Book of Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and also, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canonized* the Book of Enoch. (*officially declared authentic and regarded as sacred text)

For all you bible "experts" who will ask why The Book of Enoch isn't in the Bible, consider the context in first two verses of the Book of Enoch; "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation" "..I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one* which is for to come**.

(*a future generation, **that has yet to come)

The Book of Enoch has been reserved for the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation.

If you want to reject The Book of Enoch as authentic, then turn to the back of your bible and rip out the Book of Jude. Because you're now disagreeing with the inspired Word of God.

Anonymous Coward 49733247, until you correct me if I'm wrong, take a back seat and SHUT UP.

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The book of Enoch is not inspired Scripture.

Paul quotes Greek poets at least 4 times. Using your own logic, then the works of these Greek poets should be in the Bible as well. It is at this point that your argument becomes invalid.

There are several books mentioned in Scripture that are not included in the Canon. The book of Jasher is another one, besides Enoch, as well as the Book of Solomon.

I take it by FAITH that the 66 books in the King James Version are the inspired, inerrant, infallible, preserved Words of the Living God. I believe every letter, punctuation mark and word gender is exactly the way our LORD intends for it to be.

I don't go down the rabbit trail of the "original" languages, as I know far less about those languages than my own, and I believe by FAITH that my God is powerful enough to keep His Word perfectly in tact, throughout the generations, because He is.


I don't need a council of Roman Catholic bishops to tell me what books are Scripture, I have the Holy Spirit of God to give me discernment, and guidance to the Truth, and that is good enough for me. I do not apologize for making an argument based on FAITH, because that is exactly what we are called to do, and if you don't like that, I can't help you anyways....
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I can answer all this. Right now it's 3 in the morning my time. Just getting ready to go to sleep. Check back later this week. I promise.

Satan has been cursed to this world. He has been denied interstellar flight. He can't leave this planet.
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so was satan/lucifer here before Adam and Eve?
must have.
when did god create lucifer?? we don't know?
and yet it is important.
why does the bible mention lucifer and then it tells us nothing of any value about this creature?
this creature who is the most important entity to the existance of humans on this planet?

it is bizarre.

if we assume as a given that out of teh trillions of planets in the universe god chose this particular one which to make a jail planet for lucifer : then why put us humans on this very same planet? when he could have put us on any of the otehr trillion planets around the universe?
it's crazy,

but if we read the book of job, then it may start to make sense?
in this book, god and lucifer appear to have daily meetings and place bets with each other to see at what point Job will find the plagues inflicted upon him, unbearable?

so if yahweeh and lucifer are on such bad terms, why are they colluding to torment Job??
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Yes, satan sinned and was cast out first. He went before God and basically said that no human would love you if not for the things you give them.
God allowed the challenge to prove satan to be a liar, and to shame him and the mission was accomplished because Job stayed faithful through it all.
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a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


So then, "sending someone to hell" is a metaphor. We been taught that really the realms of heaven and hell our within us. (LUKE 17:21)

God is love. He doesn't send people to hell. We send ourselves. We create our own prisons.

Our simple minds can't comprehend hell. God needed to illustrate the horror of hell, the horror of our self-destruction. Self-destruction. We have been given free-will, and we will destroy ourselves with that free-will. But God so loved the world that He sent His only Begotten Son. To save us from our sin, our pride, our self-admiration, which is envy of the Most High, the Creator.
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You know what? I'm not going to argue with you fools. So be it. If anybody would like to hear more, send me a private message.
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From heaven you can see time start thru time end.

There is no before or after.... first is last and last is first.

Only the text tells you that things did happened..people just have to wait out time.

The book says watch for the signs.


God created in their image ... plus the serpent tempted eve... Gods can jump time after the fact ... its hard to explain...

But one day "it" can help you.. then wait till the next day and go back to the same time and corrupt thus it will seem as tho a time shift happen.Things wont be the same ... something out of place.

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OP the answer to your question (at least partially) is found in Genesis 1:31.

God saw everything that He made and it was very good.

Would He have called it very good if there was a rebellion going on and bad angels were thrown out of Heaven and let loose to cause havoc upon the Earth?

I would hardly think so. My guess is Adam and Eve were in the garden for let's say 100 years before Lucifer (aka Satan aka that old serpent the devil) rebelled with 1/3 of the angels and were cast down to Earth, causing Eve and then Adam to eat from the tree and defy God.

We know the angels are created beings, and my guess is they were created on the same day as when He divided the firmament (Day 2) and called it Heaven, because the Bible says the angels rejoiced when the dry land appeared (which happened on Day 3).

Lucifer knew he was created, and even saw God continue to create, so he knew Who he was created by. That wasn't good enough for him though, he wanted to be God (but the job was already taken)...hope this helps.
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God is Good.
Devil is Evil.

Lucifer is lux ferro in latin means light bringer.
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1914. That's when war broke out in heaven and that's when he was thrown out. The Original Greek word didn't actually mean that he was thrown to "Earth" but actually to another place in the heaven possibly a planet of somesort, this also makes alot of more logic since we cant travel to their place and they cant to ours.
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When God said: 'Let there be light' his seed was spawned.
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