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Message Subject WHEN was Satan cast out of Heaven? Before Adam and Eve??
Poster Handle Frayed Knot
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a very important point the bible doesn't tell us is WHEN?
when did all this happen?
When did Yahweeh create Satan?
and when did they have an argument? and when was Satan cast out of Heaven?

was it before Yawheeh decided to experiment in genetics and created Adam and Eve?

and with all the billions and trillions of planets in the universe, why did Yahweeh cast Satan/Lucifer on this insignificant planet Earth?

and was Lucifer already here when Adam and Eve were created? or were Adam and Eve here first and Yahweeh decided to send Lucifer here to tempt them? knowing full well in advance , in his omniscience, that Eve would quickly fall to Lucifer's charms.

so why set Eve up to fall in the first place?
so he can send all her future progeny to hell?

it makes no sense to me.
 Quoting: MBECCU 49717643


OP, every single one of your questions indicate no spiritual understanding.
It appears that you have taken every carnal understanding, rolled them into a ball, and now wonder why nothing makes sense.

The Bible mentions nothing of what you write of....

Why did Jesus call Peter, "Satan"? He tells you: because Peter's mind was on the things of men, not God. Please use this valuable key....Satan/mind/man.
Peter did not understand nor believe what Jesus had said would happen. Why not? Because his mind was on the things of men...

1950
Vast majority perceive an unborn baby as life and a blessing

2013
Large percentage view an unborn baby as a clump of cells, a burden and something not inherently worth of life.

The baby never changed.
So what happened?
Ask anyone who supports abortion and he'll regurgitate what he's been told
"Doctor's say the fetus is viable at 24 weeks"
"it's not murder, it is a woman's right"
Etc etc etc

They can no longer see the unborn baby as a baby human and a life and blessing because the adversary came along and sold man's wisdom as truth. See, Peter was called satan because his understanding was based upon the things of men in his mind. He could not see past it, he had no idea that Jesus would even die. In the same process, the western nations have embraced the wisdom/knowledge of men and now slaughter their own unborn children because that wisdom/knowledge from men has blinded them to truth of an unborn baby. No differently than why a hypnotised person up on a stage perceives an audience as naked when not twenty minutes earlier he saw that audience as fully clothed.

Jesus told us all: the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy.
It does so through the mind.

Every single one of your suppositions come from men. Therefore, you cannot see past them. If there is truly a desire to understand truth, embrace loving the truth. Loving the truth involves being able to let go of falsehoods and lies when presented with His truth. And it is He that teaches and leads us into all truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49733247


First thing you did was insult the guy, nice going. He/she wishes to understand. You couldn't even open your mouth without a loudmouth rude insult. You're being arrogant and assumptious.

Refute this, Preacher, Get your bible out and try to keep, o-wise-one.



The Book of Enoch was quoted in the Book of Jude. The Book of Jude is the last book in the Bible before the Book of Revelation. Jude was one of the four brothers of Jesus (Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55). Jude 1:14-15 contains a direct quote of a prophecy from The Book of Enoch (Enoch 1:9)

A direct and absolute indication that the Apostles regarded the Book of Enoch as divine scripture, inspired by God, and worthy of reference.

The Book of Enoch is not in the Bible. However, remnants of Book of Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, and also, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church canonized* the Book of Enoch. (*officially declared authentic and regarded as sacred text)

For all you bible "experts" who will ask why The Book of Enoch isn't in the Bible, consider the context in first two verses of the Book of Enoch; "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation" "..I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one* which is for to come**.

(*a future generation, **that has yet to come)

The Book of Enoch has been reserved for the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation.

If you want to reject The Book of Enoch as authentic, then turn to the back of your bible and rip out the Book of Jude. Because you're now disagreeing with the inspired Word of God.

Anonymous Coward 49733247, until you correct me if I'm wrong, TAKE A BACK-SEAT AND SHUT UP.

 Quoting: Time's fool

His "insult" was far less condescending than your entire post, and less of an insult than an observation.

These are spritital matters and the AC was correct in stating that the carnal world view impedes understanding of the spriritual.

He then proceeded to give excellent examples, while you blathered on incessently about Enoch.

I have no problem with Enoch, as a supplemental reading tool, but all one needs to understand the Bible is already contained therein. You're accusing the AC of arrogance and then tell him to SHUT UP? What kind of a "teacher" does that? Certainly not one I want to listen to.

What are you so afraid of? The AC's post was the best and most truthful in the thread IMO.
 
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