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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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I have read the poster you mentioned.yes,they mock but there is NO vulgarity,so why lie and say there is?
Their posts are logical and well thought out.
I defend their right to post,as I would yours.The only vulgarity seems to be coming from yourself.
I love God and a few posters mocking God cannot destroy my faith. As for my personal salvation,I will leave that in Gods hands,not yours.
 Quoting: a believer 49285258


I strongly disagree with your perception of this whole thing and your judgment of anyone's character. Logic and thinking are the farthest thing from their comments, which they openly admit are for the purpose of trolling and derailing my thread.

Yes, leave it to God to judge my character.

And stop engaging in ad hominem; you yourself are now trolling and derailing. You never even watched the video, did you.
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Op.
I have read the entire thread and you a bit "bullying" in your attitude.I read as you and others ganged-up on posters that didn't agree with your posts. You were given good evidence (as posted by Captain-wth and Intothelight) and you sneered.Their evidence was right and you (and others) were wrong.

I believe in God.I wont give you red karma but you are very disappointing.I only see anger in you and I wonder, if you are a true Christian,how come you wont listen?
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The "ganging up" is being done by the trolls. This is patently obvious.

The individuals you mentioned are notorious trolls who use vulgarity and mockery to derail threads. To defend them is to admit that objectivity and rational judgment of character are not your intent.

You, sir or madam, are "very disappointing", in that you would sooner join with the minions of the devil than defend a brother or sister in Christ... and I won't stoop to your level of questioning your salvation.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I have read the poster you mentioned.yes,they mock but there is NO vulgarity,so why lie and say there is?
Their posts are logical and well thought out.
I defend their right to post,as I would yours.The only vulgarity seems to be coming from yourself.
I love God and a few posters mocking God cannot destroy my faith. As for my personal salvation,I will leave that in Gods hands,not yours.
 Quoting: a believer 49285258


I too shall not be responding anymore to "KEEP2THECODE" threads. He is not a true Christian. As for the agitators,LOL,very funny and thanks for the fractal info.
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I too shall not be responding anymore to "KEEP2THECODE" threads. He is not a true Christian. As for the agitators,LOL,very funny and thanks for the fractal info.
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God, is that you???
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Nice try, shills, with the "Christian" who outed himself just now. Didn't work.
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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instead of going deeper into the heat of the ensuing debate better watch the delightful vid above.
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I have read the poster you mentioned.yes,they mock but there is NO vulgarity,so why lie and say there is?
Their posts are logical and well thought out.
I defend their right to post,as I would yours.The only vulgarity seems to be coming from yourself.
I love God and a few posters mocking God cannot destroy my faith. As for my personal salvation,I will leave that in Gods hands,not yours.
 Quoting: a believer 49285258


I strongly disagree with your perception of this whole thing and your judgment of anyone's character. Logic and thinking are the farthest thing from their comments, which they openly admit are for the purpose of trolling and derailing my thread.

Yes, leave it to God to judge my character.

And stop engaging in ad hominem; you yourself are now trolling and derailing. You never even watched the video, did you.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Why attack me brother?
cant we have differing views? Or are you going to put me with the trolls?
The posters you said posted vulgarity,did not.You have lied before God. Please,I am not attacking you,there is no need to be so aggressive,I am merely stating my honest opinion.
God bless you.
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I too shall not be responding anymore to "KEEP2THECODE" threads. He is not a true Christian. As for the agitators,LOL,very funny and thanks for the fractal info.
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God, is that you???
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Wow! So much anger.
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instead of going deeper into the heat of the ensuing debate better watch the delightful vid above.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49971082


Thanks. hf
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I have read the poster you mentioned.yes,they mock but there is NO vulgarity,so why lie and say there is?
Their posts are logical and well thought out.
I defend their right to post,as I would yours.The only vulgarity seems to be coming from yourself.
I love God and a few posters mocking God cannot destroy my faith. As for my personal salvation,I will leave that in Gods hands,not yours.
 Quoting: a believer 49285258


I strongly disagree with your perception of this whole thing and your judgment of anyone's character. Logic and thinking are the farthest thing from their comments, which they openly admit are for the purpose of trolling and derailing my thread.

Yes, leave it to God to judge my character.

And stop engaging in ad hominem; you yourself are now trolling and derailing. You never even watched the video, did you.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Why attack me brother?
cant we have differing views? Or are you going to put me with the trolls?
The posters you said posted vulgarity,did not.You have lied before God. Please,I am not attacking you,there is no need to be so aggressive,I am merely stating my honest opinion.
God bless you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49285258


I notice you have not replied to my questions.
So I will leave now.
Enjoy your thread and God bless.
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That's right, no more responses to ad hominem and other derailements except to put the thread back on topic with either the summary or video.
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It seem no one wants to talk to you OP.........?


Wonder why?
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A bump to keep it up there still a fascinating video. 4 red so far. Wonder why they never sign them.
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Of course no one wants to talk to him,were waiting for the trolls to return,so we can laugh!
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A bump to keep it up there still a fascinating video. 4 red so far. Wonder why they never sign them.
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Because they're cowards. Because they know they'd get red in return. Because they laugh at us not knowing who did it; they even say that in some of them.

I'm sorry for any red you've accumulated on my account.
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When the trolls leave,his threads disappear. NO ONE agrees with him and apparently he is a bully.
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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Is

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Thread?
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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...

This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
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Intelligence....It's a gift from God. Unfortunately you forgot to collect yours.
That small town education just 'aint cutting it,Jeb. Try not to embarrass yourself anymore.
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...

This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
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I have an undergraduate degree in math, and a master's degree in engineering from Columbia. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Fractals ARE order. You can derive a complete fractal from one equation. That is without a doubt order. That is the exact opposite of randomness or chaos.
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Dear sir / madam

While I do not agree with Intothelights demeanor,he is 100% correct in his statement. I would expect better behavior and a more considered response from someone claiming to have obtained a mathematics’ undergraduate degree.

Fractals are geometric shapes that are infinitely detailed. You can zoom in on a section and it will have just as much detail as the whole fractal. To think of fractals for a function f(x) is to consider x, f(x), f(f(x)), f(f(f(x))), f(f(f(f(x)))), etc. Fractals are related to chaos because they are complex systems that have definite properties.
You are only seeing the recursive pattern of a fractal and extrapolating that for a complex system. This is an assumption and poor science.

1. Chaotic systems are partly deterministic. This means they have some determining equation ruling their behavior.

2. Chaotic systems are very sensitive to the initial conditions. A very slight change in the starting point can lead to enormously different outcomes. This makes the system unpredictable.

On a very simple level, clouds are fractals in a closed system, therefore by your argument, we should be able to predict their behavior. We can predict the possible fractal design of the cloud, but we can’t predict the clouds behavior. Why? Unpredictability.
We can never know all the initial conditions of a complex system in sufficient (i.e. perfect) detail, we cannot hope to predict the ultimate fate of a complex system. Even slight errors in measuring the state of a system will be amplified dramatically, rendering any prediction useless. Since it is impossible to measure the effects of all the butterflies (etc) in the World, accurate long-range weather prediction will always remain impossible.

As for your intelligent design argument, this is an attempt by religious people to validate their belief system. It does not add to your credibility.

Are fractals Gods work? Ask a philosopher.

Rather than laughing at something you clearly have a very limited understanding of, you have only demonstrated your ignorance.

Listen hard, you may learn something.
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Did someone say fractals?

Hourly update above
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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Intelligence....It's a gift from God. Unfortunately you forgot to collect yours.
That small town education just 'aint cutting it,Jeb. Try not to embarrass yourself anymore.
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 Quoting: IntoTheLight


I have an undergraduate degree in math, and a master's degree in engineering from Columbia. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Fractals ARE order. You can derive a complete fractal from one equation. That is without a doubt order. That is the exact opposite of randomness or chaos.
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Dear sir / madam

While I do not agree with Intothelights demeanor,he is 100% correct in his statement. I would expect better behavior and a more considered response from someone claiming to have obtained a mathematics’ undergraduate degree.

Fractals are geometric shapes that are infinitely detailed. You can zoom in on a section and it will have just as much detail as the whole fractal. To think of fractals for a function f(x) is to consider x, f(x), f(f(x)), f(f(f(x))), f(f(f(f(x)))), etc. Fractals are related to chaos because they are complex systems that have definite properties.
You are only seeing the recursive pattern of a fractal and extrapolating that for a complex system. This is an assumption and poor science.

1. Chaotic systems are partly deterministic. This means they have some determining equation ruling their behavior.

2. Chaotic systems are very sensitive to the initial conditions. A very slight change in the starting point can lead to enormously different outcomes. This makes the system unpredictable.

On a very simple level, clouds are fractals in a closed system, therefore by your argument, we should be able to predict their behavior. We can predict the possible fractal design of the cloud, but we can’t predict the clouds behavior. Why? Unpredictability.
We can never know all the initial conditions of a complex system in sufficient (i.e. perfect) detail, we cannot hope to predict the ultimate fate of a complex system. Even slight errors in measuring the state of a system will be amplified dramatically, rendering any prediction useless. Since it is impossible to measure the effects of all the butterflies (etc) in the World, accurate long-range weather prediction will always remain impossible.

As for your intelligent design argument, this is an attempt by religious people to validate their belief system. It does not add to your credibility.

Are fractals Gods work? Ask a philosopher.

Rather than laughing at something you clearly have a very limited understanding of, you have only demonstrated your ignorance.

Listen hard, you may learn something.
 Quoting: CAPTAIN-WTH


Did someone say fractals?

Hourly update above
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No one is responding OP!
Ha!
Total derail!
See you in an hour
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YOU are, trolls! Lol.

A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
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Intelligence....It's a gift from God. Unfortunately you forgot to collect yours.
That small town education just 'aint cutting it,Jeb. Try not to embarrass yourself anymore.
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This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5431311

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[link to www.stsci.edu]
[link to books.google.co.uk]
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I have an undergraduate degree in math, and a master's degree in engineering from Columbia. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Fractals ARE order. You can derive a complete fractal from one equation. That is without a doubt order. That is the exact opposite of randomness or chaos.
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Dear sir / madam

While I do not agree with Intothelights demeanor,he is 100% correct in his statement. I would expect better behavior and a more considered response from someone claiming to have obtained a mathematics’ undergraduate degree.

Fractals are geometric shapes that are infinitely detailed. You can zoom in on a section and it will have just as much detail as the whole fractal. To think of fractals for a function f(x) is to consider x, f(x), f(f(x)), f(f(f(x))), f(f(f(f(x)))), etc. Fractals are related to chaos because they are complex systems that have definite properties.
You are only seeing the recursive pattern of a fractal and extrapolating that for a complex system. This is an assumption and poor science.

1. Chaotic systems are partly deterministic. This means they have some determining equation ruling their behavior.

2. Chaotic systems are very sensitive to the initial conditions. A very slight change in the starting point can lead to enormously different outcomes. This makes the system unpredictable.

On a very simple level, clouds are fractals in a closed system, therefore by your argument, we should be able to predict their behavior. We can predict the possible fractal design of the cloud, but we can’t predict the clouds behavior. Why? Unpredictability.
We can never know all the initial conditions of a complex system in sufficient (i.e. perfect) detail, we cannot hope to predict the ultimate fate of a complex system. Even slight errors in measuring the state of a system will be amplified dramatically, rendering any prediction useless. Since it is impossible to measure the effects of all the butterflies (etc) in the World, accurate long-range weather prediction will always remain impossible.

As for your intelligent design argument, this is an attempt by religious people to validate their belief system. It does not add to your credibility.

Are fractals Gods work? Ask a philosopher.

Rather than laughing at something you clearly have a very limited understanding of, you have only demonstrated your ignorance.

Listen hard, you may learn something.
 Quoting: CAPTAIN-WTH


This is an elegant summation of Fractals. I do not see how they prove or disprove a guiding hand. But they sure are fun to watch them form on a screen.
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Fine. You all can turn it into a thread about fractals. You can go on calling me Satan and other lies in the red karma list. You can keep downvoting the thread. The trolls want this thread so bad, let them have it. I shake the dust from my feet.
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A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

============================================================


The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

============================================================


The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

============================================================


Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
============================================================



Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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Good Morning K2!!! Happy Sabbath my Brother. :-) Wonderful post!!! I see the enemy has been busy trying to derail. Their efforts are pittyfull and oh so predictable.

To any who may have just joined us Welcome!!! Please, do watch the video's posted on this thread! You can clearly tell this information must be valid hence the relentless attacks.

To those attacking.....repent and seek Salvation. Our Lord Jesus Christ will soon return!!!

All Praise to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

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