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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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It seems the fractal people were proven right.
Care to offer them an apology?
Well, la-dee-freakin' da!
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Good Morning K2!!! Happy Sabbath my Brother. :-) Wonderful post!!! I see the enemy has been busy trying to derail. Their efforts are pittyfull and oh so predictable.
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Greetings, RAG! Blessings to you as well.

Yep, the termites have been multiplying. And I refuse to pay for an upgrade just to "bug bomb" the place. They can have it. At least they'll keep bumping it to the front page. But it's pointless to try to defend myself or anyone else. The kangaroo court has ruled. But unless they convince admins/mods to delete the thread, it will remain and stand as a witness against them.
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Good Morning K2!!! Happy Sabbath my Brother. :-) Wonderful post!!! I see the enemy has been busy trying to derail. Their efforts are pittyfull and oh so predictable.
 Quoting: RAG 49148771

Greetings, RAG! Blessings to you as well.

Yep, the termites have been multiplying. And I refuse to pay for an upgrade just to "bug bomb" the place. They can have it. At least they'll keep bumping it to the front page. But it's pointless to try to defend myself or anyone else. The kangaroo court has ruled. But unless they convince admins/mods to delete the thread, it will remain and stand as a witness against them.
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I see it this way my Friend.... The Lord has used them to keep this thread front page for sometime now. Unwittingly they have been used to help get this information out!!!

I'm heading out to Church in a few but will return to bump this again later today.

God Bless
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Good Morning K2!!! Happy Sabbath my Brother. :-) Wonderful post!!! I see the enemy has been busy trying to derail. Their efforts are pittyfull and oh so predictable.
 Quoting: RAG 49148771

Greetings, RAG! Blessings to you as well.

Yep, the termites have been multiplying. And I refuse to pay for an upgrade just to "bug bomb" the place. They can have it. At least they'll keep bumping it to the front page. But it's pointless to try to defend myself or anyone else. The kangaroo court has ruled. But unless they convince admins/mods to delete the thread, it will remain and stand as a witness against them.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



I see it this way my Friend.... The Lord has used them to keep this thread front page for sometime now. Unwittingly they have been used to help get this information out!!!

I'm heading out to Church in a few but will return to bump this again later today.

God Bless
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Agree; they sure are doing everything possible to make sure more people see this. But again, I'm done trying to interact with them, even to defend against all the slander and twisting of words. Thanks again for your kindness. hf
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This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
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This is pure baloney, a recursion is a self invented form of order. Fractals aren't chaos.
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I have an undergraduate degree in math, and a master's degree in engineering from Columbia. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Fractals ARE order. You can derive a complete fractal from one equation. That is without a doubt order. That is the exact opposite of randomness or chaos.
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Dear sir / madam

While I do not agree with Intothelights demeanor,he is 100% correct in his statement. I would expect better behavior and a more considered response from someone claiming to have obtained a mathematics’ undergraduate degree.

Fractals are geometric shapes that are infinitely detailed. You can zoom in on a section and it will have just as much detail as the whole fractal. To think of fractals for a function f(x) is to consider x, f(x), f(f(x)), f(f(f(x))), f(f(f(f(x)))), etc. Fractals are related to chaos because they are complex systems that have definite properties.
You are only seeing the recursive pattern of a fractal and extrapolating that for a complex system. This is an assumption and poor science.

1. Chaotic systems are partly deterministic. This means they have some determining equation ruling their behavior.

2. Chaotic systems are very sensitive to the initial conditions. A very slight change in the starting point can lead to enormously different outcomes. This makes the system unpredictable.

On a very simple level, clouds are fractals in a closed system, therefore by your argument, we should be able to predict their behavior. We can predict the possible fractal design of the cloud, but we can’t predict the clouds behavior. Why? Unpredictability.
We can never know all the initial conditions of a complex system in sufficient (i.e. perfect) detail, we cannot hope to predict the ultimate fate of a complex system. Even slight errors in measuring the state of a system will be amplified dramatically, rendering any prediction useless. Since it is impossible to measure the effects of all the butterflies (etc) in the World, accurate long-range weather prediction will always remain impossible.

As for your intelligent design argument, this is an attempt by religious people to validate their belief system. It does not add to your credibility.

Are fractals Gods work? Ask a philosopher.

Rather than laughing at something you clearly have a very limited understanding of, you have only demonstrated your ignorance.

Listen hard, you may learn something.
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Thank you for agreeing!

Seems the truth was revealed in the end.

Poor Bible-Tards, not intelligent enough to grasp the complexities of fractals,but I suppose that's what happens when you spend all day staring at just one book.

Bible-Tards meet egg + face.

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Good Morning K2!!! Happy Sabbath my Brother. :-) Wonderful post!!! I see the enemy has been busy trying to derail. Their efforts are pittyfull and oh so predictable.
 Quoting: RAG 49148771

Greetings, RAG! Blessings to you as well.

Yep, the termites have been multiplying. And I refuse to pay for an upgrade just to "bug bomb" the place. They can have it. At least they'll keep bumping it to the front page. But it's pointless to try to defend myself or anyone else. The kangaroo court has ruled. But unless they convince admins/mods to delete the thread, it will remain and stand as a witness against them.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



I see it this way my Friend.... The Lord has used them to keep this thread front page for sometime now. Unwittingly they have been used to help get this information out!!!

I'm heading out to Church in a few but will return to bump this again later today.

God Bless
 Quoting: RAG 49148771

Agree; they sure are doing everything possible to make sure more people see this. But again, I'm done trying to interact with them, even to defend against all the slander and twisting of words. Thanks again for your kindness. hf
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You are very welcome. :-). Agreed, just don't respond to attempts to derail.

Back in a bit

God Bless
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Romans 1:22
'Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.'

Amen, book of Jebus, Amen.



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Hi K2tC,

Just wanted to check in and say HI..

There is really nothing new under the sun, is there?

The unbelievers will scoff and mock but we both know that the WISDOM of MEN is FOOLISHNESS to GOD....

To all the unbelievers, I pray that you will hear the message of the ages...

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY SON SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE"

JOHN 3:16


The offer still stands and will until you take your last breath....why not be wise and choose now....for there is NO GUARANTEE of tomorrow!

I say this with LOVE, for the love that Christ has shown a sinner like me, is immeasurable....

LOVE and DESPERATION FOR YOUR ETERNITY COMPELS US TO SHARE JESUS hf

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Hi K2tC,

Just wanted to check in and say HI..

There is really nothing new under the sun, is there?

The unbelievers will scoff and mock but we both know that the WISDOM of MEN is FOOLISHNESS to GOD....

To all the unbelievers, I pray that you will hear the message of the ages...

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY SON SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE"

JOHN 3:16


The offer still stands and will until you take your last breath....why not be wise and choose now....for there is NO GUARANTEE of tomorrow!

I say this with LOVE, for the love that Christ has shown a sinner like me, is immeasurable....

LOVE and DESPERATION FOR YOUR ETERNITY COMPELS US TO SHARE JESUS hf
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Thanks Daughter!

Yes, we are obligated to speak the truth regardless of how it's received. And through the efforts of trolls the message gets out to more people. God can turn even the most bitter opposition into something good.
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Hi K2tC,

Just wanted to check in and say HI..

There is really nothing new under the sun, is there?

The unbelievers will scoff and mock but we both know that the WISDOM of MEN is FOOLISHNESS to GOD....

To all the unbelievers, I pray that you will hear the message of the ages...

"FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY SON SO THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE"

JOHN 3:16


The offer still stands and will until you take your last breath....why not be wise and choose now....for there is NO GUARANTEE of tomorrow!

I say this with LOVE, for the love that Christ has shown a sinner like me, is immeasurable....

LOVE and DESPERATION FOR YOUR ETERNITY COMPELS US TO SHARE JESUS hf
 Quoting: daughter in NYC



daughter in NYC
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I realize there are 12 pages of discussion about the original video, so apologies. I haven't got time to comb them over.

A few questions:

Are there any Aliens, at all, in the OT or have we discovered that all non-human entities at play in the Torah are extra-dimensional and/or hybrid?

Yahweh partitioned out the Earth for areas that wished to worship other Gods. Does that mean Yahweh is made out of the same stuff/originates from the same place?

Wouldn't then none of these beings be the true GOD at all?

If yes, who/what is the true God and can he/it be found in the Old Testament?
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I realize there are 12 pages of discussion about the original video, so apologies. I haven't got time to comb them over.

A few questions:

Are there any Aliens, at all, in the OT or have we discovered that all non-human entities at play in the Torah are extra-dimensional and/or hybrid?

Yahweh partitioned out the Earth for areas that wished to worship other Gods. Does that mean Yahweh is made out of the same stuff/originates from the same place?

Wouldn't then none of these beings be the true GOD at all?

If yes, who/what is the true God and can he/it be found in the Old Testament?
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The argument of the speaker, Dr. Heiser, is that the Nephilim are what most people now call aliens. There are various classes of "angels", the fallen ones being referred to in the book of Enoch as "watchers". These are the "sons of God" who violated their purpose and bred with humans, and the offspring were the Nephilim, which means "giants".

YHWH's apportionment of the world according to the various Watchers was, in the opinion of Heiser, a punishment for the human race who made a deal with them to worship them as gods. I don't think it logically follows that YHWH is in any way "made of the same stuff".

YHWH is the true God, the one who created the angelic beings and everything else that exists.
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The argument of the speaker, Dr. Heiser, is that the Nephilim are what most people now call aliens. There are various classes of "angels", the fallen ones being referred to in the book of Enoch as "watchers". These are the "sons of God" who violated their purpose and bred with humans, and the offspring were the Nephilim, which means "giants".

YHWH's apportionment of the world according to the various Watchers was, in the opinion of Heiser, a punishment for the human race who made a deal with them to worship them as gods. I don't think it logically follows that YHWH is in any way "made of the same stuff".

YHWH is the true God, the one who created the angelic beings and everything else that exists.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Is Yahweh in Genesis the same being in Exodus leading Moses and Co. around the desert in a UFO, helping them smite and showering them with mana and parting waters and landing on top of the tabernacle every night, with the radiation and the Electric Ark of the Covenant communication device/weapon?

If so, how would we rectify that with the creator of all things? The method of operation is all wrong. Surely we're missing something here?
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Good grief!! What a bunch of jurks.

I'm so sorry k2 that you must endure such a lode of crap from these embucils.

Hang on we are soon to be joining our lord in the air and I'm sure there will be much treasure with your name on it when we arrive at our destination.

I found the vedio by trey smith to be much easer to watch and I got a lot more out of it. At 1 hr 30 min in when he talked about the words the high priest would say as he was in the holy of holies " behold the hand, behold the nail" just blew me away

As ever, KEEP LOOKING UP

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Is Yahweh in Genesis the same being in Exodus leading Moses and Co. around the desert in a UFO, helping them smite and showering them with mana and parting waters and landing on top of the tabernacle every night, with the radiation and the Electric Ark of the Covenant communication device/weapon?

If so, how would we rectify that with the creator of all things? The method of operation is all wrong. Surely we're missing something here?
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I'm not sure what you see in the text as a UFO. But why couldn't the creator of all things do whatever he wants? The accounts in the Bible show us that God is not one to yank people in line suddenly, but instead to lead them without violating free will. He largely left people to their own decisions, good or bad, but whenever he did intervene, he tended to go against social norms such as primogeniture. He gave his people chance after chance to make sensible choices, and even after they got the punishment they deserved (such as whining about lack of food after all the miracles they had seen in Egypt), he kept showing them mercy and taking them back again.

Our Creator is not the raw sovereignty of Satan but a wise Father who lets his children make mistakes.
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Good grief!! What a bunch of jurks.

I'm so sorry k2 that you must endure such a lode of crap from these embucils.

Hang on we are soon to be joining our lord in the air and I'm sure there will be much treasure with your name on it when we arrive at our destination.

I found the vedio by trey smith to be much easer to watch and I got a lot more out of it. At 1 hr 30 min in when he talked about the words the high priest would say as he was in the holy of holies " behold the hand, behold the nail" just blew me away

As ever, KEEP LOOKING UP

Ed goodnews
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Hi Ed! hugs

Yeah, it's been a busy day all right. But you've been one of the kind rays of sunshine. hf

Yes, Trey's video is much more professionally done, thought it presents different information. Together they both do a great service to our understanding of the past, soon to be the present again.

Another thing not mentioned that blows me away is that the moment Jesus cried out on the cross, "It is finished!", the high priest was shouting those very same words as the Passover lambs were being sacrificed. It means "paid in full".
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I'm not sure what you see in the text as a UFO. But why couldn't the creator of all things do whatever he wants? The accounts in the Bible show us that God is not one to yank people in line suddenly, but instead to lead them without violating free will. He largely left people to their own decisions, good or bad, but whenever he did intervene, he tended to go against social norms such as primogeniture. He gave his people chance after chance to make sensible choices, and even after they got the punishment they deserved (such as whining about lack of food after all the miracles they had seen in Egypt), he kept showing them mercy and taking them back again.

Our Creator is not the raw sovereignty of Satan but a wise Father who lets his children make mistakes.
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"A pillar of cloud by day, a pillar of fire by night"

A Grey cylinder, a red cylinder. It literally parks on top of the Holy of Holies when it's time to make camp.

Sounds like a flying object to me. I don't even find it that surprising when you consider all of the other ancient "Gods" seem to be flying about and doing Ancient Astronauty things. Whether from another planet or another dimension (Both? Why not?) NONE of them, including Yahweh, seem to be all that benevolent, therefore disqualifying them from being the true God, or Most High.

Now regarding free will, I do not see that as a "Gift" from a Creator God, but a by-product of absolute perfection.

By nature of duality, free-will and love fall on the same side of the paradigm. Therefore, Free-Will just *IS* rather than being meted out by some sort of overlord.

I do not believe that humans on Earth have free will. It does not trickle down into our matrix in it's pure form. It is meted out by overlords from "Gods" to "Rulers" to Laws and peer pressure.

Thus demonstrating that we are in the Government of the Adversary.

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"A pillar of cloud by day, a pillar of fire by night"

A Grey cylinder, a red cylinder. It literally parks on top of the Holy of Holies when it's time to make camp.

Sounds like a flying object to me. I don't even find it that surprising when you consider all of the other ancient "Gods" seem to be flying about and doing Ancient Astronauty things. Whether from another planet or another dimension (Both? Why not?) NONE of them, including Yahweh, seem to be all that benevolent, therefore disqualifying them from being the true God, or Most High.
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I just see a pillar of cloud and a pillar of fire. Anything else would be conjecture, and there's nothing in the context to compel the reader to make them symbols of something else. When Elisha watched Elijah be taken to heaven, he described a "chariot of fire", but in the Exodus no such terminology is used.

I really think watching the video would answer a lot of your questions.

Jesus rose from the dead; this is my starting point. He is the epitome of benevolence. And he never tried to distance himself from YHWH; in fact, he said "I and the Father are one". I trust Jesus, so I'm sure that it will all make sense eventually.
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I just see a pillar of cloud and a pillar of fire. Anything else would be conjecture, and there's nothing in the context to compel the reader to make them symbols of something else. When Elisha watched Elijah be taken to heaven, he described a "chariot of fire", but in the Exodus no such terminology is used.

I really think watching the video would answer a lot of your questions.

Jesus rose from the dead; this is my starting point. He is the epitome of benevolence. And he never tried to distance himself from YHWH; in fact, he said "I and the Father are one". I trust Jesus, so I'm sure that it will all make sense eventually.
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There is a great deal of conjecture going on in what is commonly believed on matters of greater and lesser triviality.

Why would we be afraid to explore this issue versus the countless others?

I did watch the video, but it was very, very, very dry.

I do not know that Jesus directly claimed to be the son of Yahweh. Rather, I believe when he made "Father" references he was speaking coyly, inferring to Jews that he was the Son of Yahweh (That is what you say) and to those not all tied up in Judaism, they would infer that he was from the higher source.

Jesus was not so one-dimensional.
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It seems people have no consideration. I am sorry your thread was derailed OP. I will look over some of your posts. Have a good day and stay optimistic. :)
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There is a great deal of conjecture going on in what is commonly believed on matters of greater and lesser triviality.

Why would we be afraid to explore this issue versus the countless others?

I did watch the video, but it was very, very, very dry.

I do not know that Jesus directly claimed to be the son of Yahweh. Rather, I believe when he made "Father" references he was speaking coyly, inferring to Jews that he was the Son of Yahweh (That is what you say) and to those not all tied up in Judaism, they would infer that he was from the higher source.

Jesus was not so one-dimensional.
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I think I know Jesus pretty well. Been studying the Bible all my life, esp. the New Testament. So if I were afraid of anything, I'd hardly have examined it so closely, even to the point of parsing and defining every Greek word; see [link to bible.fether.net] . And of course I read a lot of other material as well, and watch a lot of documentaries.

Everybody engages in more conjecture than they realize. So I don't see how the Christian view uses any more of it than anyone else. Fear is not the cause of disagreement; we're all just human and reach different conclusions.

The "dry" lecture is where real research is discovered. That's why most people don't learn as much as they could; it's just not their cup of tea. But by sharing it, it's my hope that those who are willing to do the work will be greatly blessed by it.

Jesus was indeed not one-dimensional. He was both fully God and fully Man at the same time, a phenomenon called "the hypostatic union". I don't think we can really wrap our minds around that.

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It seems people have no consideration. I am sorry your thread was derailed OP. I will look over some of your posts. Have a good day and stay optimistic. :)
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Thank you, Coils. hf
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I think OP is going to blow a fuse.!!!!!!
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Here are some fractal facts

A fractal is a mathematical set that has a fractal dimension that usually exceeds its topological dimension[1] and may fall between the integers.[2] Fractals are typically self-similar patterns, where self-similar means they are "the same from near as from far".[3] Fractals may be exactly the same at every scale, or, as illustrated in Figure 1, they may be nearly the same at different scales.[2][4][5][6] The definition of fractal goes beyond self-similarity per se to exclude trivial self-similarity and include the idea of a detailed pattern repeating itself.[2]:166; 18[4][7]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Although mathematical fractals contain an infinite level of detail with 'real world' fractals this is not the case, for example you can magnify the view of a coastline and at first there will be major estuaries and larger bays. Further magnification will reveal smaller estuaries and bays then down to coves and inlets and finanlly individual rocks and pebbles. At some point further magnification causes the previously observed fractal structure to breakdown. Fractals in the natural world are subject to this sort of limit. However because they have fractal structure over a range of scales fractal techniques can be used to successfully model them.
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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Why are people being so disrespectful to this OP? If you're not interested in the thread, move on. There are plenty of topics and threads here.

Geez
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This is a thread about fractals and OP keeps trying to derail.
OP is also a bully (see previous posts)I think posters have had enough of him. He's been banned for bullying before and he needs a lesson.He is pretty dumb and most of the things he says are from wiki.
See you soon OP.
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Did I mention they lie?

A summary, which I intend to keep posting (and bumping my own thread) so that new visitors to the thread will know that it's not about fractals. Enjoy.

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The speaker debunks the "serpent seed" theory as arising mostly out of rabbinical/Talmudic misogyny than anything else. There is no backing in the Biblical text for Eve bearing children with the serpent (or as the speaker says, "serpentine being"), esp. since the text states point blank that Eve bore Cain from Adam.

Also, he shows that someone named Gardener who teaches the "serpent seed" theory, deliberately omitted a large portion of the verse he quotes to make his claim.

(So much for the charge of this talk being "Zionist", since the speaker dismisses the Talmud.)

This is on the first 20 min. of the talk. I will try to post something about each 20 min.

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The 2nd 20 min. continues details regarding the "serpent seed" argument, then toward the end of that segment he covers more on the "sons of God, daughters of men" issue. He argues that the voluntary nature of the unions is how the Biblical focus on blaming humans for the sin leading to the Flood can be reconciled with the book of Enoch's blame on "the watchers". In other words, the blame is shared.

Also, he briefly touches on the phrase "and afterwards", referring to the giants. Some question how the giants could be on the earth after the Flood which was designed to wipe them out, and they speculate that maybe Noah or one of his sons or their wives had giant DNA. But this speaker believes instead that it was a simple case of the Watchers picking up where they had left off, since the Bible specifies that Noah "was perfect in his generations", meaning he was fully human. This is covered more in the next segment, as I recall.

There are some interesting implications from this. As the speaker explains, these beings were also called Titans by non-Jewish people. I believe this explains the belief in ancient mythological beings such as the Greek pantheon. And this would mean that the Watchers, who according to the NT "had left their proper realm", had not been imprisoned in Tartarus until this second defiling of mankind.

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Third 20 min. segment notes:

-- Nephilim does not mean "fallen ones" or even "sons of God, but "giants", the hybrid human/Watcher offspring.

-- Many theologians "strip mine" all the supernatural from the Bible, so they dismiss out of hand any and all evidence for any supernatural beings beyond God and Satan.

-- Also goes over a text telling of an argument between Lamech and his wife over whether Noah was his son or whether she had been fooling around with Watchers; she finally has him go ask Enoch, who apparently vouched for her.

-- Says Nimrod was a giant, and many believe he was the instigator of the building of the Tower of Babel.

-- On Gnosticism: Only the non-Jews considered the Watchers/Nephilim the "good guys", and the speaker thus calls it "Watcher theology". This is the source of the Luciferian claim that Lucifer and realted entities are the real good gods and Elohim/YHWY is the bad one.

-- Begins to explain the two lines: serpentine and godly, evil and good, seed of Satan and seed of the woman.
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Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.
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Wow, either I have the wrong definition of fractals or they're just giving you a hard time! At any rate, I watched the video and found it interesting. I've never heard him before but he seems very knowledgeable and most of what he says is consistent with my understanding but lots of new stuff I hadn't heard before. I'll have look for more of his work. Thanks for the post, definitely worth the 80 minutes.
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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Wow, either I have the wrong definition of fractals or they're just giving you a hard time! At any rate, I watched the video and found it interesting. I've never heard him before but he seems very knowledgeable and most of what he says is consistent with my understanding but lots of new stuff I hadn't heard before. I'll have look for more of his work. Thanks for the post, definitely worth the 80 minutes.
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Glad you liked the video, thanks.

Yeah, there's a small army of people trolling, but they keep the thread on the front page at least.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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I think OP is going to blow a fuse.!!!!!!
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Here are some fractal facts

A fractal is a mathematical set that has a fractal dimension that usually exceeds its topological dimension[1] and may fall between the integers.[2] Fractals are typically self-similar patterns, where self-similar means they are "the same from near as from far".[3] Fractals may be exactly the same at every scale, or, as illustrated in Figure 1, they may be nearly the same at different scales.[2][4][5][6] The definition of fractal goes beyond self-similarity per se to exclude trivial self-similarity and include the idea of a detailed pattern repeating itself.[2]:166; 18[4][7]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Although mathematical fractals contain an infinite level of detail with 'real world' fractals this is not the case, for example you can magnify the view of a coastline and at first there will be major estuaries and larger bays. Further magnification will reveal smaller estuaries and bays then down to coves and inlets and finanlly individual rocks and pebbles. At some point further magnification causes the previously observed fractal structure to breakdown. Fractals in the natural world are subject to this sort of limit. However because they have fractal structure over a range of scales fractal techniques can be used to successfully model them.
[link to shoresofchaos.com]


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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Wow, either I have the wrong definition of fractals or they're just giving you a hard time! At any rate, I watched the video and found it interesting. I've never heard him before but he seems very knowledgeable and most of what he says is consistent with my understanding but lots of new stuff I hadn't heard before. I'll have look for more of his work. Thanks for the post, definitely worth the 80 minutes.
 Quoting: dawnie


Glad you liked the video, thanks.

Yeah, there's a small army of people trolling, but they keep the thread on the front page at least.
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Small army?


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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Another video with the same speaker (interview on C2C): [link to youtu.be]

Topics include his debunking of Stichin's Nibiru interpretations.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thanks! I was looking thru the many pages of this post to see whether anyone had posted any of his other stuff. I'm fascinated by this topic.
A flag flown upside down is a symbol of a country in distress. As a result of the many traitors and enemies inside our own government and the many unconstitutional acts, legislation and atrocities passed and/or committed against our lives, liberty and property, as well as a reckless foreign policy meant to enrich and empower an already wealthy group of 'elites' while wreaking havoc around the globe and committing atrocities against large numbers of innocent peoples in the name of 'spreading democracy', the United States is no longer a free country and the lives of its citizens as well as the lives of our brothers and sisters around the globe, are in dire danger and distress.
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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Another video with the same speaker (interview on C2C): [link to youtu.be]

Topics include his debunking of Stichin's Nibiru interpretations.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thanks! I was looking thru the many pages of this post to see whether anyone had posted any of his other stuff. I'm fascinated by this topic.
 Quoting: dawnie


There's another one that I think is on the first page as well, kindly added by one of the other commenters. Not the same speaker but good material.

ADDED: 2nd page: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

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Re: Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again
Another video with the same speaker (interview on C2C): [link to youtu.be]

Topics include his debunking of Stichin's Nibiru interpretations.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thanks! I was looking thru the many pages of this post to see whether anyone had posted any of his other stuff. I'm fascinated by this topic.
 Quoting: dawnie


There's another one that I think is on the first page as well, kindly added by one of the other commenters.

ADDED: 2nd page: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Is this where we discuss fractals?

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