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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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Final 20 min. segment notes:

-- After the Flood, God had simply said "Be fruitful and multiply", but eventually people decided to not spread out but build a tower and sit in one place. This led to God setting up national boundaries by language "according to the number of the 'sons of God'" (Septuagint [Greek] text). That is, God was giving people what they wanted: to be ruled by the Watchers according to their territories. This is the origin of the concept of regional gods in ancient mythology. The Watchers had given humans technology in exchange for being worshiped as gods.

-- But God reserved one territory for himself: the Promised Land. And he selected Abraham, then Isaac, and Jacob, to produce a nation separate from all the rest, purely human and worshiping the one true God. This is NOT the "Zionism" of the Kabbalists, rabbis, or Talmudists, but a people and land that God reserves as a thorn in the flesh of the Watchers and their people.

-- Now you know why God was completely justified in having his people wipe out every last living thing in the territory God had selected for his own (which included a group whose name meant "serpentine" as well as some giants). This is one reason why everybody hates the Jews and wants to conquer the land of Israel. But keep in mind that regardless of the condition or origin of the modern state of Israel, it is God's land, and those who are genetically descended from Jacob are God's people. They have been punished for faithlessness before, and they will be punished again.

-- Interesting perspective on the account of Naaman and his going to Elisha to be healed of leprosy. After his healing, he asked to take a bag of dirt from Israel back to his homeland, a seeming bizarre request. But think of it in light of the previous discussion about territory. He wanted to stand on it when forced to bow to the gods of his country.

-- The valley of the Rephaim was the origin of the name Gehenna, and aptly described the Hebrew concept of "hell": a place of frightening beings and certain doom. The people of Jesus' day used it also to describe their always-burning garbage dump, but that was not the origin of the name or the concept.

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Please explain this verse:

Genesis 3:20
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
 Quoting: Cudilicious


I think it goes without saying that "all the living" means human beings, as opposed to animals or any other non-humans. She is the first mother.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Why isn't Adam called "the father of all the living"?
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It was Adam who called her "the mother of all the living" (Gen. 3:20), and apparently Eve didn't return the favor.
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Well, I think that Adam had pretty more conversation with Eve, so I ask myself, why did he say that respective why is this written in the bible?

Eve is the mother of all the living, Adam isn't the father of all living (else it would have be mentioned in the bible).
Cain isn't Adams son.
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Well, I think that Adam had pretty more conversation with Eve, so I ask myself, why did he say that respective why is this written in the bible?

Eve is the mother of all the living, Adam isn't the father of all living (else it would have be mentioned in the bible).
Cain isn't Adams son.
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Apparently evil entities cannot reproduce by themselves because nurturing life isn't in their nature? That might explain why they only took male form.

But the Bible states point blank that Adam was the father of Cain in Gen. 4:1-- "Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain."

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Another video with the same speaker (interview on C2C): [link to youtu.be]

Topics include his debunking of Stichin's Nibiru interpretations.
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I love Mike he's a great guy.
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I love Mike he's a great guy.
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What impresses me about him is that he doesn't let his personal preferences blind him to other interpretations or rule them out.

I'm listening to his C2C interview right now, and one question was about Bible prophecy. He made the points that prophecy is deliberately cryptic, and that one's interpretation always depends upon certain foundational assumptions. So while he has his personal views, he allows that other views about prophecy are possible and shouldn't be summarily dismissed.
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<======Other nations
of those days were usually warring with the Ancient Jews, the other nations were filled with disease from having sex with animals, their offspring, their cousins, their mothers and fathers and were full of disease. Even the animals were diseased from being used for sex.
There were no hospitals in those days remember?

People don't realize that the world in ancient times had no laws or rules of conduct. That is why God used the ancient Jews to teach the world that humans need rules and laws.

God cleaned up the ancient Jews as an example for the world at that time to see.
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Wow.....I thought I had heard every excuse for ruthless savage slaughtering of whole cities but never heard this one.

They had to die because they were disease ridden from having so much sex with animals? LOL

In the Talmud it says that Gentiles are nothing more than "animals" and so what does you're claim really mean?


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<======Other nations
of those days were usually warring with the Ancient Jews, the other nations were filled with disease from having sex with animals, their offspring, their cousins, their mothers and fathers and were full of disease. Even the animals were diseased from being used for sex.
There were no hospitals in those days remember?

People don't realize that the world in ancient times had no laws or rules of conduct. That is why God used the ancient Jews to teach the world that humans need rules and laws.

God cleaned up the ancient Jews as an example for the world at that time to see.
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Wow.....I thought I had heard every excuse for ruthless savage slaughtering of whole cities but never heard this one.

They had to die because they were disease ridden from having so much sex with animals? LOL

In the Talmud it says that Gentiles are nothing more than "animals" and so what does you're claim really mean?
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I don't give any weight to the Talmud except as a bad example of people trying to make up their own religion and telling God to take a hike.

But not only were the people engaging in perversion and debauchery, there was also the element of hybrids and giants in the land God had reserved for his own people, as I stated in my response to that comment earlier.

What you call "ruthless slaughter" is keeping evil in its bounds. And if you think you can judge God, then why can't God judge you?
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Huge problems historically with these ideas.
The 'god' of the old testament killed 10s of thousands of those who complained in the wilderness (his children) - just one example where he was not concerned with genetic heritage when it came to killing full blooded humans. There are plenty of others (read Jeremiah).

Too many people are completely confused about just who the true children of the Abrahamic covenant are. Abraham, his son and grandson were NOT Jews. The promises made to him and his off spring (to be as numerous as the sand of the sea) includes all 12 (13) tribes, if it applies to any.

But, didn't God forsake the 10 northern tribes known as the 'House of Israel' (for whom Jesus said he came)? Yes, just as he did the house of Judah. Read AMOS, Obadiah, etc. God made it clear before the Babylonian captivity that Judah was much worse than her sister and was left completely forsaken. They had violated the terms of the covenant.

Of all Israel, only a remnant, fulfilled by Jesus and his disciples/followers would inherit the the promises of the covenant.

Modern Israelis are NOT Israelites. They are Talmudists and the greatest enemy of Christians and have genetic relationship to the tribes of Judah,Benjamin or Levy (Cohen).

The closest genetic links to the descendants of Abraham that can be found are the Palastinians. Read Prof. Schlomo Sand (tenured Prof. at U. of Tel Aviv) Invention of the Jewish People. Or just try doing some serious research.
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Huge problems historically with these ideas.
The 'god' of the old testament killed 10s of thousands of those who complained in the wilderness (his children) - just one example where he was not concerned with genetic heritage when it came to killing full blooded humans. There are plenty of others (read Jeremiah).

Too many people are completely confused about just who the true children of the Abrahamic covenant are. Abraham, his son and grandson were NOT Jews. The promises made to him and his off spring (to be as numerous as the sand of the sea) includes all 12 (13) tribes, if it applies to any.

But, didn't God forsake the 10 northern tribes known as the 'House of Israel' (for whom Jesus said he came)? Yes, just as he did the house of Judah. Read AMOS, Obadiah, etc. God made it clear before the Babylonian captivity that Judah was much worse than her sister and was left completely forsaken. They had violated the terms of the covenant.

Of all Israel, only a remnant, fulfilled by Jesus and his disciples/followers would inherit the the promises of the covenant.

Modern Israelis are NOT Israelites. They are Talmudists and the greatest enemy of Christians and have NO genetic relationship to the tribes of Judah,Benjamin or Levy (Cohen).

The closest genetic links to the descendants of Abraham that can be found are the Palastinians. Read Prof. Schlomo Sand (tenured Prof. at U. of Tel Aviv) Invention of the Jewish People. Or just try doing some serious research.
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Huge problems historically with these ideas.
The 'god' of the old testament killed 10s of thousands of those who complained in the wilderness (his children) - just one example where he was not concerned with genetic heritage when it came to killing full blooded humans. There are plenty of others (read Jeremiah).
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God was concerned with more than just genetics, but this hardly shows that genetics didn't matter at all. He still didn't shift his plans to Gentiles, no matter how bad the Jews got. You're making a logical error here.


Too many people are completely confused about just who the true children of the Abrahamic covenant are. Abraham, his son and grandson were NOT Jews. The promises made to him and his off spring (to be as numerous as the sand of the sea) includes all 12 (13) tribes, if it applies to any.
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Of course they were not Jews, as the term only arose from the tribal name Judah much later. But the Bible is very clear that the genetic line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) is the line he chose for himself. It was Israel's 12 sons who became the patriarchs of Israel, with Judah being one of them. God kept narrowing down the line from which the Messiah would come, eventually reaching Joseph and Mary.

The term "Jews" is understood by most today as referring to the whole progeny of Jacob's 12 sons, not merely the tribe of Judah. That's how I'm using it here.


But, didn't God forsake the 10 northern tribes known as the 'House of Israel' (for whom Jesus said he came)? Yes, just as he did the house of Judah. Read AMOS, Obadiah, etc. God made it clear before the Babylonian captivity that Judah was much worse than her sister and was left completely forsaken. They had violated the terms of the covenant.
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And he also promised a remnant to remain, because the promise he made to Abraham can never be revoked. In the NT you will find several references (Paul and James for example) to the "TWELVE tribes" and that Paul knew he was of the tribe of Benjamin. If the whole Hebrew nation were completely gone by then, there is no explanation for what Paul and James said in their time, since they spoke of that nation still being in existence.

Regardless of how many times the Hebrews were to violate the covenant, God can never do so. Paul said, "Does this mean God has forsaken his people? Absolutely not!" and he went on to explain why. Also, God himself stated that he didn't choose the Hebrews for their own qualities or quantity, but so that it would be clear that God was protecting them, since they were nothing by themselves.


Of all Israel, only a remnant, fulfilled by Jesus and his disciples/followers would inherit the the promises of the covenant.
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This is classic Replacement Theology, which I completely disagree with. The church is not Israel; the wild branches are not the natural branches, and there is only one Vine which is Christ. God will again turn back to Israel to finish the prophecies.

BTW... if the church gets Israel's promises, it has to also get its curses.

The point I wanted to make about the video is that it sheds light on the Old Testament which impacts many current beliefs such as the Nephilim and why other nations hate Israel.


Modern Israelis are NOT Israelites. They are Talmudists and the greatest enemy of Christians and have NO genetic relationship to the tribes of Judah,Benjamin or Levy (Cohen).

The closest genetic links to the descendants of Abraham that can be found are the Palastinians. Read Prof. Schlomo Sand (tenured Prof. at U. of Tel Aviv) Invention of the Jewish People. Or just try doing some serious research.
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You make assertions here that are highly disputable. And don't presume that because I disagree with you that I haven't done serious research. Why don't you try impressing Dr. Heiser with your superior knowledge?

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5 stars for this post OP. We indeed are living in the final days and Brothers and Sisters in Jesus Christ need to understand these things. We will be witness of great deceptions and many will fall or fail in their Faith from what is about to come.

Many hard hearts will attempt to derail this post.
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5 stars for this post OP. We indeed are living in the final days and Brothers and Sisters in Jesus Christ need to understand these things. We will be witness of great deceptions and many will fall or fail in their Faith from what is about to come.

Many hard hearts will attempt to derail this post.
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I came across this video lecture a few hours ago and just finished watching it. It's a 1-1/2 hour lecture on the Old Testament from Michael Heiser, someone I've never heard of before but who seems to know what he's talking about. He sheds such bright light on the texts as to blow away a lot of things that didn't quite add up before or were hard to figure out. Subjects the lecture impacts include:

-- The Nephalim, the Watchers, and the Giants
-- What Jesus meant in Mat. 24 by "marrying and giving in marriage"
-- The REAL reason God had Israel wipe entire nations off the map, including children and animals

I strongly urge you to give this video priority over all the crap people usually watch, as it debunks people like Sitchin and beliefs like Gnosticism, which the lecturer calls "the theology of the Watchers".


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5+*s OP



It backs up my own digging. Check out Trey Smith's work above. Mindblowing.
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5+*s OP



It backs up my own digging. Check out Trey Smith's work above. Mindblowing.
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Will do, thanks!
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Bump and agree. The Trey Smith bid is good as well
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Check out Trey Smith's work above. Mindblowing.
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This really is a perfect thing to watch after the OP one. Thanks again for posting it.
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I came across this video lecture a few hours ago and just finished watching it. It's a 1-1/2 hour lecture on the Old Testament from Michael Heiser, someone I've never heard of before but who seems to know what he's talking about. He sheds such bright light on the texts as to blow away a lot of things that didn't quite add up before or were hard to figure out. Subjects the lecture impacts include:

-- The Nephalim, the Watchers, and the Giants
-- What Jesus meant in Mat. 24 by "marrying and giving in marriage"
-- The REAL reason God had Israel wipe entire nations off the map, including children and animals

I strongly urge you to give this video priority over all the crap people usually watch, as it debunks people like Sitchin and beliefs like Gnosticism, which the lecturer calls "the theology of the Watchers".


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Just finished watching...

He seems to have tied up all the loose ends. My one and only question would be..How was the consummation performed?

If the sons of God were spirit beings and the daughters of men were flesh...you get my drift??

My thought would be that the sons of God took possession of men and used them OR manipulated their DNA somehow in the 'marrying' of the daughters of men...

What are yout thoughts, K2tC

God Blesshf

(Sorry in advance if you have already answered...just had time to post now from work)

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Just finished watching...

He seems to have tied up all the loose ends. My one and only question would be..How was the consummation performed?

If the sons of God were spirit beings and the daughters of men were flesh...you get my drift??

My thought would be that the sons of God took possession of men and used them OR manipulated their DNA somehow in the 'marrying' of the daughters of men...

What are yout thoughts, K2tC

God Blesshf
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I believe that spirit beings can take on physical form. Remember when the three "men" visited Abram to tell him that Sarai would bear the child of promise? Abram offered to feed and shelter them, which seems to indicate that they had physical bodies.

Also, the book of Hebrews tells us to be hospitable to strangers, because sometimes they might be angels in disguise.

Does that make sense? God bless you as well. hf
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Just finished watching...

He seems to have tied up all the loose ends. My one and only question would be..How was the consummation performed?

If the sons of God were spirit beings and the daughters of men were flesh...you get my drift??

My thought would be that the sons of God took possession of men and used them OR manipulated their DNA somehow in the 'marrying' of the daughters of men...

What are yout thoughts, K2tC

God Blesshf
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I believe that spirit beings can take on physical form. Remember when the three "men" visited Abram to tell him that Sarai would bear the child of promise? Abram offered to feed and shelter them, which seems to indicate that they had physical bodies.

Also, the book of Hebrews tells us to be hospitable to strangers, because sometimes they might be angels in disguise.

Does that make sense? God bless you as well. hf
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Yes, totally makes sense...

So the original perpetrators were the fallen angels/sons of God...

but ultimately their offspring we experience in the natural is now the Nephilim?
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Yes, totally makes sense...

So the original perpetrators were the fallen angels/sons of God...

but ultimately their offspring we experience in the natural is now the Nephilim?
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Yes, in the past they were here physically, and possibly in the near future as well. What we have had the most encounters with in this age is that of demons, who in my opinion are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. Their physical bodies died, but being half "angel" they do not yet go to their final destiny. This would explain why they seek to possess people (and animals, and sometimes inanimate objects); they crave having a body.
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bumped and 5 starred
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Thanks!
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oops , keep2thecode .

maybe i was premature in my 5 starr rating , as i don't
agree completely with the opening youtube lecture .

nevertheless , it is interesting to hear the
Heiser's point of view .

and by the way , satan was cain's biological father
as cain was a giant ( which is why abel never had a
chance ) .

cain's lineage to this day are at the apex of the
illuminati heirarchy . they are the keystone bloodline ...

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oops , keep2thecode .

maybe i was premature in my 5 starr rating , as i don't
agree completely with the opening youtube lecture .

nevertheless , it is interesting to hear the
Heiser's point of view .

and by the way , satan was cain's biological father
as cain was a giant ( which is why abel never had a
chance ) .

cain's lineage to this day are at the apex of the
illuminati heirarchy . they are the keystone bloodline ...

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Gen. 4:1 "Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain."

I rarely agree 100% with anybody, but it's still an extremely well-done analysis. Certainly it should rate higher than a lot of what passes for 5 stars these days. ;-)
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Interesting stuff OP .. Thanks for posting .. It was a great listen ! .. I would just like to know his thoughts on if he thinks the " watchers " are influencing events in modern times or were they all wiped out.

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Interesting stuff OP .. Thanks for posting .. It was a great listen ! .. I would just like to know his thoughts on if he thinks the " watchers " are influencing events in modern times or were they all wiped out.
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Thanks!

Yes, that would be interesting to hear his answer.

I'm convinced that they are influencing things, and have been for a very long time. I think they are the ones at the top of TPTB pyramid, goading the nations into doing their bidding. I base this on the statement in Rev. where Satan is imprisoned during the Millennium but is briefly released "to deceive the nations" once more. That tells me he's been doing it all this time.
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Michael Heiser is a smart man...

So is Gerald Schroeder. Check his analysis of the creation out too OP.
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Bumping again. Going to watch this again now. Simply cannot stress enough how relevant this is. Truly hope many will view. Pray for discernment and wisdom Brothers and Sisters. God Bless
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... thanks for posting! ...
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hf

This video really is the key to a lot of debates and topics people here would be interested in. Hopefully we can try and keep this bumped; I don't have any karma to use to pin it.
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