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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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I came across this video lecture a few hours ago and just finished watching it. It's a 1-1/2 hour lecture on the Old Testament from Michael Heiser, someone I've never heard of before but who seems to know what he's talking about. He sheds such bright light on the texts as to blow away a lot of things that didn't quite add up before or were hard to figure out. Subjects the lecture impacts include:

-- The Nephalim, the Watchers, and the Giants
-- What Jesus meant in Mat. 24 by "marrying and giving in marriage"
-- The REAL reason God had Israel wipe entire nations off the map, including children and animals

I strongly urge you to give this video priority over all the crap people usually watch, as it debunks people like Sitchin and beliefs like Gnosticism, which the lecturer calls "the theology of the Watchers".


 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I watched the video it was interesting, some was kinda subjective as he mentions.

He kinda express's fact, then admits he is not sure, then at certain points he just flat out calls some stuff like Sitchin wrong even when he admits Sitchin could be right but he says he is sure Sitchin is wrong because well he "thinks" so.

Somethings are subjective but not the ones he subjectively thinks are wrong.

Example:

One of his main points in refuting Sitchin depends on how Sitchin defines Annukai.

He refers to a dictionary from a university available on line, and shows how Annuakai has like 24 different possible definitions for Annuakai based on the various information available.

It kinda goes like this, he says Sitchin is wrong because he defines Annaukai as coming from the heavens, or Sky Gods.

Then he refers to the on line dictionary with the 24 possible definitions and tries to refute this interpretation of Sitchin but I believe the 23rd possible defintion of Anaukai based on this university dictionary is "sky gods or coming from the sky",

so he says, well.....see Sitchin is wrong.


Um no, Mr. Professor talking about your dissertation, you actually just gave more evidence Sitchin was right.

WTF.
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Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


You're as qualified to address any of us as my dog is to give me financial advice.

Stop picking on people here and (I mean this in all sincerity) GET A LIFE.

It has to be a mental illness to spend all your time and effort nagging and attacking people who don't think like you do. People who really don't believe in spiritual things DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE BELIEVES ABOUT SPIRITUAL THINGS.

It is unhealthy for you to focus on Christianity and those who follow Jesus. Either accept Jesus or go hang around with people you like.
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Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.
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You're as qualified to address any of us as my dog is to give me financial advice.

Stop picking on people here and (I mean this in all sincerity) GET A LIFE.

It has to be a mental illness to spend all your time and effort nagging and attacking people who don't think like you do. People who really don't believe in spiritual things DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE BELIEVES ABOUT SPIRITUAL THINGS.

It is unhealthy for you to focus on Christianity and those who follow Jesus. Either accept Jesus or go hang around with people you like.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Ecclesiastes 7:9
'Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.'

Obviously hit a nerve! Self-projecting much?


Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!


You are so nearly there......

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I watched the video it was interesting, some was kinda subjective as he mentions.

He kinda express's fact, then admits he is not sure, then at certain points he just flat out calls some stuff like Sitchin wrong even when he admits Sitchin could be right but he says he is sure Sitchin is wrong because well he "thinks" so.
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I agree that he tells when he can't prove something or needs to think about it more, but I've watched it 3 times and don't know what you took as him waffling on Sitchin. He has many more lectures as well, and I'm pretty sure a quick search would bring up his videos and websites, where you will find more extensive commentary on Sitchin. I don't think any assessment of his views of Sitchin can be fairly made on this video alone, since Sitchin was not the topic.

Example:

One of his main points in refuting Sitchin depends on how Sitchin defines Annukai.

He refers to a dictionary from a university available on line, and shows how Annuakai has like 24 different possible definitions for Annuakai based on the various information available.

It kinda goes like this, he says Sitchin is wrong because he defines Annaukai as coming from the heavens, or Sky Gods.

Then he refers to the on line dictionary with the 24 possible definitions and tries to refute this interpretation of Sitchin but I believe the 23rd possible defintion of Anaukai based on this university dictionary is "sky gods or coming from the sky",

so he says, well.....see Sitchin is wrong.
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Again, I think you're oversimplifying and missing some things. But you should talk to him directly about this, since as I said, the topic is not "Sitchin is wrong" but something more mentioned in passing. So I would encourage you to pursue this with Heiser directly. I'm not promoting him as all-knowing or infallible, but only that he raises so many good points as an expert in Hebrew which has impact upon not only Christianity but the whole "space alien" phenomenon.

Um no, Mr. Professor talking about your dissertation, you actually just gave more evidence Sitchin was right.

WTF.
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And again, I don't think you can reach this conclusion on the basis of a lecture that was not about Sitchin.
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Oooo... red karma for being a "Jew lover". Somebody wants to make sure I get an extra crown in heaven. Thanks! I could thank you personally if only you had signed your name.
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And more for "bullying other posters". Wow...

It's "bullying" to keep my thread on topic?

But it's not bullying for them to try to derail it?

And it's okay to make accusations from behind the mask of anonymity?

Truth is getting more and more unpopular here by the day. I get treated FAR worse than anything I can be accused of dishing out. But I don't give them cowardly red karma for it.

(Added later: And now another "bully" red karma. Same person? I wonder how many member accounts the coward has?)

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And more for "bullying other posters". Wow...

It's "bullying" to keep my thread on topic?

But it's not bullying for them to try to derail it?

And it's okay to make accusations from behind the mask of anonymity?

Truth is getting more and more unpopular here by the day. I get treated FAR worse than anything I can be accused of dishing out. But I don't give them cowardly red karma for it.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



Maybe because you talk a load of piffle,'bully-boy.'

Nobody is interested in your 'God,' except other weak and desperate Christians.

Why not go and shout on a street corner?

hesright
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Keep it up Brother. The enemy thinks it is smart but will fail in its own delusion. Wonder if has dawned on them that by continuing to post only bumps your thread, helping to keep on page one.

I'll bump gain a bit later and give another 5*

God Bless
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Keep it up Brother. The enemy thinks it is smart but will fail in its own delusion. Wonder if has dawned on them that by continuing to post only bumps your thread, helping to keep on page one.

I'll bump gain a bit later and give another 5*

God Bless
 Quoting: RAG 49148771


Thank you! hf

I originally hesitated to even post this, as I have a "following" of enemies who would do what they're doing now. But it had to be shared. I think we all know that the time is very short.

(Don't think you can rate it again, though. I've never been able to rate a thread more than once.)

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Just did. ;-). Just went on my phone (different user #) and 5* ya. Thru in a pin request to boot

Again this information IS important. Really kind of obvious by the attacks from the haters how relevant it is. Like you mentioned, if someone doesn't agree why go to all the trouble of such hatefull posts?

I'll again encourage everyone to view this vid and others on this subject.

God Bless
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Ah, I see. hf
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hold on to your hat!!!!

endgame is getting very messy day by day...
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hold on to your hat!!!!

endgame is getting very messy day by day...
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The palpable evil in the world fits right in with the premise of the video, and it's growing worse and worse. Totally agree, we are on the brink.
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One star and some red for you over the weekend.
You post rubbish and whine you are bullied.
BOO HOO!
If you dont like it FUCK OFF!!
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hold on to your hat!!!!

endgame is getting very messy day by day...
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The palpable evil in the world fits right in with the premise of the video, and it's growing worse and worse. Totally agree, we are on the brink.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


just to be clear; the endgame I refer to, has nothing to do with biblical endtimes...
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One star and some red for you over the weekend.
You post rubbish and whine you are bullied.
BOO HOO!
If you dont like it FUCK OFF!!
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How does an AC give red, unless they are hiding right now and are really a member?

And where does someone who hides their identity get the right to judge someone else?

You're a coward. And if you don't like my thread, don't click on it or post in it.
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hold on to your hat!!!!

endgame is getting very messy day by day...
 Quoting: William 47652865


The palpable evil in the world fits right in with the premise of the video, and it's growing worse and worse. Totally agree, we are on the brink.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


just to be clear; the endgame I refer to, has nothing to do with biblical endtimes...
 Quoting: William 47652865


Then why post it here?

Anyway, we all agree something really bad is about to happen.
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hold on to your hat!!!!

endgame is getting very messy day by day...
 Quoting: William 47652865


The palpable evil in the world fits right in with the premise of the video, and it's growing worse and worse. Totally agree, we are on the brink.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


just to be clear; the endgame I refer to, has nothing to do with biblical endtimes...
 Quoting: William 47652865


Then why post it here?

Anyway, we all agree something really bad is about to happen.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


ok, I understand your peeved, when non-christians enter your christian threads... but, remember, you are posting this on an open forum, not a christian only forum...

yep, something is going to happen... but, bad is a point of view... change, a completely new deck of cards is needed for some....
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ok, I understand your peeved, when non-christians enter your christian threads... but, remember, you are posting this on an open forum, not a christian only forum...

yep, something is going to happen... but, bad is a point of view... change, a completely new deck of cards is needed for some....
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I'm not peeved; it was an honest question. You felt the need to point out that you came from a non-Biblical perspective, so I asked why. That's all.

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Haven't had a chance to watch, bookmarking for later. I have heard Missler and a few others on this topic, it is fascinating stuff.

And Keep2, don't worry about the ignorant and uninformed on here. They are simply two year olds in a highchair throwing baby food at you, lol. They don't care about historical evidence, fact, or provable things. They care about doing whatever they want to do and never being judged for it....God forbid anyone show them factual evidence of something that they cannot and will not ever believe, apart from Christ revealing it to them, which we can only pray He does. You can tell them to expend their energy on things they enjoy, but the truth is, the TRUTH is far too detrimental to who they are....the law is written on their hearts, and they detest having it pointed out to them.

Crowns in heaven, my friend, you will have them....many of us here enjoy your posts and appreciate you.

Wonder if we will know each other once we get up there, even though we use screen names? LOL.
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Haven't had a chance to watch, bookmarking for later. I have heard Missler and a few others on this topic, it is fascinating stuff.

And Keep2, don't worry about the ignorant and uninformed on here. They are simply two year olds in a highchair throwing baby food at you, lol. They don't care about historical evidence, fact, or provable things. They care about doing whatever they want to do and never being judged for it....God forbid anyone show them factual evidence of something that they cannot and will not ever believe, apart from Christ revealing it to them, which we can only pray He does. You can tell them to expend their energy on things they enjoy, but the truth is, the TRUTH is far too detrimental to who they are....the law is written on their hearts, and they detest having it pointed out to them.

Crowns in heaven, my friend, you will have them....many of us here enjoy your posts and appreciate you.

Wonder if we will know each other once we get up there, even though we use screen names? LOL.
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Thank you! hf Yeah, I know it's futile to talk to them, but I'm only human. And as such, you have no idea how much even the smallest encouragement means to me. God will bless you as well.

I think there should be a "guess that person" in heaven. I also look forward to learning the answers to all these mysteries in life.
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You are a bully and you are going to hell.
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I guess any bump is a good bump
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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
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That would be awesome.
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Watched the whole video last night.

It was really good!

I think this guy is right on target.

"The sower went to sow some seed, his enemy..."


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Watched the whole video last night.

It was really good!

I think this guy is right on target.

"The sower went to sow some seed, his enemy..."


bump
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Thanks! And that's a great parable for this. We all tend to think of it as real/fake Christians in the churches, but the church didn't even exist at that time. And now we're seeing the glaring difference between those whose hearts are good and those that are evil, which means the harvest must be very near!
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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
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the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...

for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...

but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
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I am curious; what do you know about the Rapture. For Christians it is only important to know and believe in Christ.
The rapture is not really important; whether it exists or not is important to you as a strawman; perhaps you think using terms allows you to be knowledgeable.
This type of angst you have about Christianity suggests you must be very afraid or unsure of your own beliefs. If you fear the unknown or known there is an answer.

There are things greater than you or I; Most people sense this greater power; others like addicts and sociopaths believe they are in control; real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us. Once one is aware of this; they seek to understand themselves and what place they have in the world. I came to Christ through trying to understand my place in this Universe. Buddhists have much to teach; there is much to learn in Hindu meditations; Metaphysics gives you a road map in searching for understanding. I really do hope you find what you are seeking; taunting others is not time well spent when that time could be used to better yourself or others.
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Your poor attempt at 'pop' psychology and faux humility has made me chuckle with delight.

Your primitive utilization of simple psychological concepts, and your bizarre extrapolation of said concepts to try to elicit a predictable response, has left me laughing. You should be more subtle in your methods, and not try using psychological concepts and theories that you have little or no understanding off.

May I humbly suggest the following books for study:

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

In response to your questions,I would say your ‘God’ does not exist. He is a construct that you are using to justify and validate yourself. Your post,here today, and its context and tone, are merely self-judgements. You are not judging me, you are judging yourself, in psychology this is known as self-projection.

Your quote: ‘Real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us....’ is very revealing. It shows you acknowledge the chaos of the universe. It also shows your fear of said chaos. This is the reason you have attempted to 'push away' your fear with a melange of various religious concepts (Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc).

I suggest you use another avenue beside 'God' to help remove your fear of life. Religion is a metaphorical prison for the weak and like many Christians,who post on GLP, you will become 'institutionalized.'

I say, embrace the chaos of the universe and set yourself free, before it is too late.

Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.

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I doubt your last statement. You have never walked in my shoes. It sounds like fear speaking.

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