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Cosmic Turf War: You'll never see the Old Testament the same again

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the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...
 Quoting: William 47652865

Nobody's saying there were no ancient non-physical entities involved in human history. What we're saying is that they are not simply "space visitors" as most people believe. We understand them as of the "angel" class, but who rebelled against God and have been trying to rule humans as their slaves.

Many religions do derive from the ancients' encounters with these "fallen angels"; I've already said that they explain such things as the Greek pantheon. But there is one true God, the one who originally created those beings as good, and the evil ones have done their best to hide that.

Many copies imply an original. And if ALL religions originated with "space aliens", then this still begs the question of where those aliens came from... and so on, ad infinitum. Somewhere along the line you have to ask how the first thing ever came into existence.

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...
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Nobody disputes this. Yet it still does not mean there can not be a God. All it means is that people often twist and corrupt what comes from God.


for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...
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As an "earther" yourself, you surely realize that your own DNA must have been messed with too. But even the most ardent atheists are victims of "religious adherence"; theism is not the only method of control or conformity or disablement. These are not strikes against theism but against human nature... from which none of us is exempt.


but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
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On this we agree. God is non-physical and all-powerful, the creator of all that exists. He has given his creation sentience and limited free will, which is why they will be held responsible for what they've done.
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K2tC,My Friend,

You have one of the thickest skins on GLP... but one the SOFTEST hearts!

Jesus was mocked but the LOVE He carried for the lost was colossal. He carried the weight of us all on His bleeding back with the Cross..............

You have been shining the LIGHT of truth in the darkness with the marvelous Word of God and I applaud You!

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K2tC,My Friend,

You have one of the thickest skins on GLP... but one the SOFTEST hearts!

Jesus was mocked but the LOVE He carried for the lost was colossal. He carried the weight of us all on His bleeding back with the Cross..............

You have been shining the LIGHT of truth in the darkness with the marvelous Word of God and I applaud You!

clappa
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Great statement
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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
 Quoting: RAG 49148771


the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...

for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...

but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
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William, I hope this posts correctly and you will take the time to watch it.



God Bless
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K2tC,My Friend,

You have one of the thickest skins on GLP... but one the SOFTEST hearts!

Jesus was mocked but the LOVE He carried for the lost was colossal. He carried the weight of us all on His bleeding back with the Cross..............

You have been shining the LIGHT of truth in the darkness with the marvelous Word of God and I applaud You!

clappa
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Daughter, that's about the nicest thing anyone online has ever said to me. Thank you!

So... I have a crunchy exterior with a soft, nougaty center?

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K2tC,My Friend,

You have one of the thickest skins on GLP... but one the SOFTEST hearts!

Jesus was mocked but the LOVE He carried for the lost was colossal. He carried the weight of us all on His bleeding back with the Cross..............

You have been shining the LIGHT of truth in the darkness with the marvelous Word of God and I applaud You!

clappa
 Quoting: daughter in NYC


Daughter, that's about the nicest thing anyone online has ever said to me. Thank you!

So... I have a crunchy exterior with a soft, nougaty center?
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or this perhaps??apple

rofl
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Thanks, watching...
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or this perhaps??apple

rofl
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What are your thoughts??

Thread: I think I discovered a hidden code in the Alphabet...and it relates to the bible too
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I am curious; what do you know about the Rapture. For Christians it is only important to know and believe in Christ.
The rapture is not really important; whether it exists or not is important to you as a strawman; perhaps you think using terms allows you to be knowledgeable.
This type of angst you have about Christianity suggests you must be very afraid or unsure of your own beliefs. If you fear the unknown or known there is an answer.

There are things greater than you or I; Most people sense this greater power; others like addicts and sociopaths believe they are in control; real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us. Once one is aware of this; they seek to understand themselves and what place they have in the world. I came to Christ through trying to understand my place in this Universe. Buddhists have much to teach; there is much to learn in Hindu meditations; Metaphysics gives you a road map in searching for understanding. I really do hope you find what you are seeking; taunting others is not time well spent when that time could be used to better yourself or others.
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Your poor attempt at 'pop' psychology and faux humility has made me chuckle with delight.

Your primitive utilization of simple psychological concepts, and your bizarre extrapolation of said concepts to try to elicit a predictable response, has left me laughing. You should be more subtle in your methods, and not try using psychological concepts and theories that you have little or no understanding off.

May I humbly suggest the following books for study:

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

In response to your questions,I would say your ‘God’ does not exist. He is a construct that you are using to justify and validate yourself. Your post,here today, and its context and tone, are merely self-judgements. You are not judging me, you are judging yourself, in psychology this is known as self-projection.

Your quote: ‘Real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us....’ is very revealing. It shows you acknowledge the chaos of the universe. It also shows your fear of said chaos. This is the reason you have attempted to 'push away' your fear with a melange of various religious concepts (Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc).

I suggest you use another avenue beside 'God' to help remove your fear of life. Religion is a metaphorical prison for the weak and like many Christians,who post on GLP, you will become 'institutionalized.'

I say, embrace the chaos of the universe and set yourself free, before it is too late.

Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.

popedevil6pope
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


I doubt your last statement. You have never walked in my shoes. It sounds like fear speaking.
 Quoting: rachaelsdad


What have we just talked about?

See that mirror? What is it doing? That's correct, it is reflecting.

The 'fear' you see, is a reflection of your own fears.There is no 'higher power' just your,and others, yearning for meaning in a chaotic universe. Your imaginary God has died on the alter of science.

You have not denied the truth of the rest of my statement......Interesting.......

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What have we just talked about?

See that mirror? What is it doing? That's correct, it is reflecting.

The 'fear' you see, is a reflection of your own fears.There is no 'higher power' just your,and others, yearning for meaning in a chaotic universe. Your imaginary God has died on the alter of science.

You have not denied the truth of the rest of my statement......Interesting.......

pump2
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Stop trolling and nagging people in my thread. Or does TSA pay you for extra-curricular activities when you're not doing the night shift?
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I've only glanced at it, but my first impression is that it's a lot of assertions pulled from thin air. I think one person called out the OP on that account, and provided evidence that the claims are baseless. But I haven't spent much time on that.
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the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...
 Quoting: William 47652865

Nobody's saying there were no ancient non-physical entities involved in human history. What we're saying is that they are not simply "space visitors" as most people believe. We understand them as of the "angel" class, but who rebelled against God and have been trying to rule humans as their slaves.

Many religions do derive from the ancients' encounters with these "fallen angels"; I've already said that they explain such things as the Greek pantheon. But there is one true God, the one who originally created those beings as good, and the evil ones have done their best to hide that.

Many copies imply an original. And if ALL religions originated with "space aliens", then this still begs the question of where those aliens came from... and so on, ad infinitum. Somewhere along the line you have to ask how the first thing ever came into existence.

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...
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Nobody disputes this. Yet it still does not mean there can not be a God. All it means is that people often twist and corrupt what comes from God.


for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...
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As an "earther" yourself, you surely realize that your own DNA must have been messed with too. But even the most ardent atheists are victims of "religious adherence"; theism is not the only method of control or conformity or disablement. These are not strikes against theism but against human nature... from which none of us is exempt.


but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
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On this we agree. God is non-physical and all-powerful, the creator of all that exists. He has given his creation sentience and limited free will, which is why they will be held responsible for what they've done.
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no, not angel class, and certainly not fallen...

have you ever pondered hard, why there are so many galaxies in existence, and what their purpose is? I know you are going to fall back on the one god premise, as the one who created them all. and only he knows the purpose...think harder...

this galaxy alone has at least 3 creators... every other galaxy also has there own set of creators... are they "your" gods? hardly... they are a step or two up from us in their progression... they were also galaxy game participants at one time...they had to be, to move to the level of progression they are now involved with...

once these creator beings have worked out the intricate details of their creation, and where in the universe it will be placed, in relation to other galaxies... once decided, the game begins with a big bang, with the matter expanding under control of these beings...

the game is now set and ready for play... this is where the real you, your soul, an immortal energy being comes in to play... this is "your" god, the source of the spirit stream animating your body... your god has chosen to enter this game for experiential learning, and the learning comes from having experiences through many different bodies, in a huge variety of challenges...

there is no dictation by this galaxy game creators on how you play, and no punishment for how you play... but, there are rules given by the galaxy game creators, which restrict the use of non-physical energies while physically incarnated...

this game could go on for billions of years, and some souls have become addicted to the physical power they can achieve with control over others... these souls are generally ancient players with highly developed technical skills, and know very well how to control planets less technical in orientation...

their technical skills encompass virtually everything physical... not the least of which is in the area of genetics, of which they have severely altered earthers... the original 12 strand intact dna structure reduced to two, was "major" in diminishing the non-physical spiritual awareness of the inhabitant...further dna encoding over time enabled the theistic control to be put in place and take hold...

and yes, I have the dna command structure...but, as I said, the non-physical trumps the physical... the religious command structure is very weak in my case, and I override any impulses...

make no mistake - it is ancient galaxy game players, playing the one god, theistic control card... they claim this planet, and it's inhabitants, and will do what it takes to solidify their control... the source of revelations to come...

but, keep in mind this is a game... the real you cannot be harmed in anyway...temporarily fooled, mislead, etc... harmed - no way...but, do not think you have the satisfaction of knowing the evil doers go to hell - it is just not true...
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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
 Quoting: RAG 49148771


the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...

for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...

but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
 Quoting: William 47652865



William, I hope this posts correctly and you will take the time to watch it.



God Bless
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this is 3 hours, and I do not have the time right now to watch it...

i have seen many different shows on ancient aliens, and i find them fascinating for demonstrating technical prowess...
but, I have information that supercedes any of this alien stuff...it is not about the physical, and the many physical developments...beyond the galaxy, there is no need for anything physical...

it is about spiritual development, and eventual graduation..
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no, not angel class, and certainly not fallen...
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I disagree; this is an assertion.


have you ever pondered hard, why there are so many galaxies in existence, and what their purpose is? I know you are going to fall back on the one god premise, as the one who created them all. and only he knows the purpose...think harder...
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If you already know what I'm going to say, why bother asking?

And since you didn't make or observe the making of the galaxies, you can only give an opinion as to their purpose. We all have opinions. Think harder; think about all the assumptions you make at the start.


this galaxy alone has at least 3 creators... every other galaxy also has there own set of creators... are they "your" gods? hardly... they are a step or two up from us in their progression... they were also galaxy game participants at one time...they had to be, to move to the level of progression they are now involved with...
 Quoting:

More assumptions and assertions, without any means of backing them up. It's fine for you to believe whatever you want about the galaxies, but you've presented zero backing for your beliefs. Who can even prove "progression"?


once these creator beings have worked out the intricate details of their creation, and where in the universe it will be placed, in relation to other galaxies... once decided, the game begins with a big bang, with the matter expanding under control of these beings...
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"Creator beings"? You're doing what you said I would do: fall back on the god premise. Regardless of what you call it, he, or them--- gods, creator beings--- you're doing exactly what you seem to be presuming I'm doing.

Also, the Big Bang theory is being strongly questioned by many scientists; see cosmologystatement.org. And no, they're not creationists or theists for the most part. I find the plasma/electric universe theory much more scientifically rigorous, and it requires much less "bypassing" to account for actual observed phenomena.


the game is now set and ready for play... this is where the real you, your soul, an immortal energy being comes in to play... this is "your" god, the source of the spirit stream animating your body... your god has chosen to enter this game for experiential learning, and the learning comes from having experiences through many different bodies, in a huge variety of challenges...
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More baseless assertions. You have no way of knowing or proving any of this. It's just your belief.


there is no dictation by this galaxy game creators on how you play, and no punishment for how you play... but, there are rules given by the galaxy game creators, which restrict the use of non-physical energies while physically incarnated...
 Quoting:

Again, more baseless assertions.


this game could go on for billions of years, and some souls have become addicted to the physical power they can achieve with control over others... these souls are generally ancient players with highly developed technical skills, and know very well how to control planets less technical in orientation...
 Quoting:

Continuing assertions, a very nice story...


their technical skills encompass virtually everything physical... not the least of which is in the area of genetics, of which they have severely altered earthers... the original 12 strand intact dna structure reduced to two, was "major" in diminishing the non-physical spiritual awareness of the inhabitant...further dna encoding over time enabled the theistic control to be put in place and take hold...
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You, as an earther, have no more ability to get out of the earther box than anyone else.


and yes, I have the dna command structure...but, as I said, the non-physical trumps the physical... the religious command structure is very weak in my case, and I override any impulses...
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"DNA command structure"... whatever you say.


make no mistake - it is ancient galaxy game players, playing the one god, theistic control card... they claim this planet, and it's inhabitants, and will do what it takes to solidify their control... the source of revelations to come...
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You're only playing a different game, not a superior game. Nothing you've said has distinguished your beliefs from anything else someone could make up. It's "just-so" stories. There is no reason to assign more weight to the stories you believe than there is for mine.


but, keep in mind this is a game... the real you cannot be harmed in anyway...temporarily fooled, mislead, etc... harmed - no way...but, do not think you have the satisfaction of knowing the evil doers go to hell - it is just not true...
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My soul is in the hands of God, and through Jesus I have been set free. You can assert, again baselessly, that there is no hell, but that won't make it go away. Sorry.

And neither I nor God has any satisfaction in that.

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In their rush to hate they continue to prove the validity of the Bible. They are simply blinded to this and can not understand.

Going to see if I can find other videos and post them here. One in particular in regards to debunking the ancient alien garbage.

As to recognizing each other. I think yes :-). We will have eternity after all to discuss these things ;-).
 Quoting: RAG 49148771


the ancient alien material is not garbage, although it is twisted and no where near the whole truth... all religions, and their subsequent deities stem from extensive alien involvement on this planet...

this is where the bible, as well as the qua ran, torah, and many other materials come from...

it is the hierarchical control method used by these aliens to control many planets in our galaxy... theistic control is first and foremost as the platform from which to build up all subsequent control structures...

for most, it is very effective, as the search to know your reason for being here is overwhelming... earthers are very susceptible to religious adherence, due to a disabling and encoding of the original inhabitants of this planet's dna structure...

but, nothing physical could ever trump the non-physical for very long... religion is gambling that the spirit animating the physical is not advanced enough to override the physical's dna command structure...

they are wrong, as many are strong at this time...
 Quoting: William 47652865



William, I hope this posts correctly and you will take the time to watch it.



God Bless
 Quoting: RAG 49148771


this is 3 hours, and I do not have the time right now to watch it...

i have seen many different shows on ancient aliens, and i find them fascinating for demonstrating technical prowess...
but, I have information that supercedes any of this alien stuff...it is not about the physical, and the many physical developments...beyond the galaxy, there is no need for anything physical...

it is about spiritual development, and eventual graduation..
 Quoting: William 47652865



I understand time constraints. Perhaps watching in several sittings. Your comment about technical prowess is covered very well in this video. Your choice of course to watch or not.

God Bless
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no, not angel class, and certainly not fallen...
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I disagree; this is an assertion.


have you ever pondered hard, why there are so many galaxies in existence, and what their purpose is? I know you are going to fall back on the one god premise, as the one who created them all. and only he knows the purpose...think harder...
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If you already know what I'm going to say, why bother asking?

And since you didn't make or observe the making of the galaxies, you can only give an opinion as to their purpose. We all have opinions. Think harder; think about all the assumptions you make at the start.


this galaxy alone has at least 3 creators... every other galaxy also has there own set of creators... are they "your" gods? hardly... they are a step or two up from us in their progression... they were also galaxy game participants at one time...they had to be, to move to the level of progression they are now involved with...
 Quoting:

More assumptions and assertions, without any means of backing them up. It's fine for you to believe whatever you want about the galaxies, but you've presented zero backing for your beliefs. Who can even prove "progression"?


once these creator beings have worked out the intricate details of their creation, and where in the universe it will be placed, in relation to other galaxies... once decided, the game begins with a big bang, with the matter expanding under control of these beings...
 Quoting:

"Creator beings"? You're doing what you said I would do: fall back on the god premise. Regardless of what you call it, he, or them--- gods, creator beings--- you're doing exactly what you seem to be presuming I'm doing.

Also, the Big Bang theory is being strongly questioned by many scientists; see cosmologystatement.org. And no, they're not creationists or theists for the most part. I find the plasma/electric universe theory much more scientifically rigorous, and it requires much less "bypassing" to account for actual observed phenomena.


the game is now set and ready for play... this is where the real you, your soul, an immortal energy being comes in to play... this is "your" god, the source of the spirit stream animating your body... your god has chosen to enter this game for experiential learning, and the learning comes from having experiences through many different bodies, in a huge variety of challenges...
 Quoting:

More baseless assertions. You have no way of knowing or proving any of this. It's just your belief.


there is no dictation by this galaxy game creators on how you play, and no punishment for how you play... but, there are rules given by the galaxy game creators, which restrict the use of non-physical energies while physically incarnated...
 Quoting:

Again, more baseless assertions.


this game could go on for billions of years, and some souls have become addicted to the physical power they can achieve with control over others... these souls are generally ancient players with highly developed technical skills, and know very well how to control planets less technical in orientation...
 Quoting:

Continuing assertions, a very nice story...


their technical skills encompass virtually everything physical... not the least of which is in the area of genetics, of which they have severely altered earthers... the original 12 strand intact dna structure reduced to two, was "major" in diminishing the non-physical spiritual awareness of the inhabitant...further dna encoding over time enabled the theistic control to be put in place and take hold...
 Quoting:

You, as an earther, have no more ability to get out of the earther box than anyone else.


and yes, I have the dna command structure...but, as I said, the non-physical trumps the physical... the religious command structure is very weak in my case, and I override any impulses...
 Quoting:

"DNA command structure"... whatever you say.


make no mistake - it is ancient galaxy game players, playing the one god, theistic control card... they claim this planet, and it's inhabitants, and will do what it takes to solidify their control... the source of revelations to come...
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You're only playing a different game, not a superior game. Nothing you've said has distinguished your beliefs from anything else someone could make up. It's "just-so" stories. There is no reason to assign more weight to the stories you believe than there is for mine.


but, keep in mind this is a game... the real you cannot be harmed in anyway...temporarily fooled, mislead, etc... harmed - no way...but, do not think you have the satisfaction of knowing the evil doers go to hell - it is just not true...
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My soul is in the hands of God, and through Jesus I have been set free. You can assert, again baselessly, that there is no hell, but that won't make it go away. Sorry.

And neither I nor God has any satisfaction in that.
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it is simply not your time to wake up... enjoy the time you have left with your religious adherence...you will eventually get over it...

the show, on this planet is about to close...
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it is simply not your time to wake up... enjoy the time you have left with your religious adherence...you will eventually get over it...

the show, on this planet is about to close...
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Do you realize how arrogant that comes across?

It's a story, a belief; nothing was presented that can be considered even an attempt at objectivity or proof. This is not a matter of being awake or asleep but simple disagreement. I have not looked down my nose at you for not believing as I do; consider treating me the same way.

I'll never get over the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I'll never want to.

And if you know the show is about to close, I urge you to reconsider the story you believe in, and instead look for evidence-based faith, such as the resurrection of Jesus from the dead.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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oh, and k2...

I never said there is not god... i am pointing out to you, there are many...
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oh, and k2...

I never said there is not god... i am pointing out to you, there are many...
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Did I say you said otherwise?

The "gods" are beings that God created, in my opinion.
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it is simply not your time to wake up... enjoy the time you have left with your religious adherence...you will eventually get over it...

the show, on this planet is about to close...
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Do you realize how arrogant that comes across?

It's a story, a belief; nothing was presented that can be considered even an attempt at objectivity or proof. This is not a matter of being awake or asleep but simple disagreement. I have not looked down my nose at you for not believing as I do; consider treating me the same way.

I'll never get over the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I'll never want to.

And if you know the show is about to close, I urge you to reconsider the story you believe in, and instead look for evidence-based faith, such as the resurrection of Jesus from the dead.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


actually I was responding with arrogance to your arrogance...

look, i have all the evidence and proof I need...I know what is about to happen, and your story of resurrection from the dead is bogus...

what will actually happen - you will incarnate again, but on another planet... if, and that is a big if, your soul wants and needs more experiences in this game...
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oh, and k2...

I never said there is not god... i am pointing out to you, there are many...
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Did I say you said otherwise?

The "gods" are beings that God created, in my opinion.
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all springing from the prime source - i agree with...

are we united in this game? hardly... it would not be a very challenging game if we were, would it?
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What have we just talked about?

See that mirror? What is it doing? That's correct, it is reflecting.

The 'fear' you see, is a reflection of your own fears.There is no 'higher power' just your,and others, yearning for meaning in a chaotic universe. Your imaginary God has died on the alter of science.

You have not denied the truth of the rest of my statement......Interesting.......

pump2
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Stop trolling and nagging people in my thread. Or does TSA pay you for extra-curricular activities when you're not doing the night shift?
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Hey 'bully-boy' stop bullying me!!!!kimdowtcwy

What are you jabbering on about night-shift? It's afternoon here.pump2

As another poster pointed out,this is a community forum, where ALL are welcome, not just brain-dead Bible-Tards. What would Jebus say about you elitist attitude? I know,lets ask Him!



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I am curious; what do you know about the Rapture. For Christians it is only important to know and believe in Christ.
The rapture is not really important; whether it exists or not is important to you as a strawman; perhaps you think using terms allows you to be knowledgeable.
This type of angst you have about Christianity suggests you must be very afraid or unsure of your own beliefs. If you fear the unknown or known there is an answer.

There are things greater than you or I; Most people sense this greater power; others like addicts and sociopaths believe they are in control; real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us. Once one is aware of this; they seek to understand themselves and what place they have in the world. I came to Christ through trying to understand my place in this Universe. Buddhists have much to teach; there is much to learn in Hindu meditations; Metaphysics gives you a road map in searching for understanding. I really do hope you find what you are seeking; taunting others is not time well spent when that time could be used to better yourself or others.
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Your poor attempt at 'pop' psychology and faux humility has made me chuckle with delight.

Your primitive utilization of simple psychological concepts, and your bizarre extrapolation of said concepts to try to elicit a predictable response, has left me laughing. You should be more subtle in your methods, and not try using psychological concepts and theories that you have little or no understanding off.

May I humbly suggest the following books for study:

[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

In response to your questions,I would say your ‘God’ does not exist. He is a construct that you are using to justify and validate yourself. Your post,here today, and its context and tone, are merely self-judgements. You are not judging me, you are judging yourself, in psychology this is known as self-projection.

Your quote: ‘Real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us....’ is very revealing. It shows you acknowledge the chaos of the universe. It also shows your fear of said chaos. This is the reason you have attempted to 'push away' your fear with a melange of various religious concepts (Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc).

I suggest you use another avenue beside 'God' to help remove your fear of life. Religion is a metaphorical prison for the weak and like many Christians,who post on GLP, you will become 'institutionalized.'

I say, embrace the chaos of the universe and set yourself free, before it is too late.

Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.

popedevil6pope
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I doubt your last statement. You have never walked in my shoes. It sounds like fear speaking.
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What have we just talked about?

See that mirror? What is it doing? That's correct, it is reflecting.

The 'fear' you see, is a reflection of your own fears.There is no 'higher power' just your,and others, yearning for meaning in a chaotic universe. Your imaginary God has died on the alter of science.

You have not denied the truth of the rest of my statement......Interesting.......

pump2
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Your last statement was that you were qualified to assess me. I still doubt that; does the mirror cut both ways; you really are not showing anything that shows an understanding of myself or this chaos you keep throwing out there. Chaos is always out there; fractals and the butterfly effect. I am really trying to understand what about chaos Christians or Atheists should fear. Chaos exists and always will; saying Christians or any other belief system needs a belief in a Higher Power because of chaos is not meaningful. I know God exists because there is a beauty in this world that found a form in chaos. What system of chaos are you referring your statements about. Perhaps this would provide for a base in understanding your statements.
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actually I was responding with arrogance to your arrogance...

look, i have all the evidence and proof I need...I know what is about to happen, and your story of resurrection from the dead is bogus...

what will actually happen - you will incarnate again, but on another planet... if, and that is a big if, your soul wants and needs more experiences in this game...
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Show me where I expressed arrogance, that is worse than what you've been expressing. Be specific, if you want me to learn from my alleged mistakes.

It's fine for you to be convinced of your own beliefs; it's also fine for me to be convinced of mine. I have not told you you need to "wake up" or anything like that; I've only told you I disagree. You can call what I believe 'bogus' in spite of eyewitness testimony, and you can smear the witnesses if you prefer. But you have given NOTHING at all to back up your claims, so they are at least as bogus.

I find your continued warnings about what may be in store for me nothing but a double standard in the arrogance department.
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Your poor attempt at 'pop' psychology and faux humility has made me chuckle with delight.
Your primitive utilization of simple psychological concepts, and your bizarre extrapolation of said concepts to try to elicit a predictable response, has left me laughing. You should be more subtle in your methods, and not try using psychological concepts and theories that you have little or no understanding off.
May I humbly suggest the following books for study:
[link to www.amazon.com]
[link to www.amazon.co.uk]
In response to your questions,I would say your ‘God’ does not exist. He is a construct that you are using to justify and validate yourself. Your post,here today, and its context and tone, are merely self-judgements. You are not judging me, you are judging yourself, in psychology this is known as self-projection.
Your quote: ‘Real freedom and knowledge come from understanding that we are not in control of what happens around us....’ is very revealing. It shows you acknowledge the chaos of the universe. It also shows your fear of said chaos. This is the reason you have attempted to 'push away' your fear with a melange of various religious concepts (Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc).

I suggest you use another avenue beside 'God' to help remove your fear of life. Religion is a metaphorical prison for the weak and like many Christians,who post on GLP, you will become 'institutionalized.'

I say, embrace the chaos of the universe and set yourself free, before it is too late.

Before you ask, yes, I am qualified to assess you.
popedevil6pope
 Quoting: IntoTheLight

I doubt your last statement. You have never walked in my shoes. It sounds like fear speaking.
 Quoting: rachaelsdad


What have we just talked about?
See that mirror? What is it doing? That's correct, it is reflecting.
The 'fear' you see, is a reflection of your own fears.There is no 'higher power' just your,and others, yearning for meaning in a chaotic universe. Your imaginary God has died on the alter of science.

You have not denied the truth of the rest of my statement......Interesting.......
pump2
 Quoting: IntoTheLight


Your last statement was that you were qualified to assess me. I still doubt that; does the mirror cut both ways; you really are not showing anything that shows an understanding of myself or this chaos you keep throwing out there. Chaos is always out there; fractals and the butterfly effect. I am really trying to understand what about chaos Christians or Atheists should fear. Chaos exists and always will; saying Christians or any other belief system needs a belief in a Higher Power because of chaos is not meaningful. I know God exists because there is a beauty in this world that found a form in chaos. What system of chaos are you referring your statements about. Perhaps this would provide for a base in understanding your statements.
 Quoting: rachaelsdad


A God, requires and creates, order from chaos.

A fractal is a good example of why there is no God. Driven by recursion, fractals are images of dynamic systems – this is Chaos.

Contrary to your assertion, chaos is very meaningful,it shows the wonder of fractals and the absence of God

Fractals negate God Q.E.D. There is no God.

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Funny, I've been watching a video series done by Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethal Church, Feastus, MO on the Watchers/Giants, etc.

He went through the OT, pointing out all the various names/clans of Giants. So, as I watched Michael Heiser's video on that topic, I actually felt smart! hehehe

Not to sidetrack the core topic of this thread, I have to say there is still a lot of controversy as to whether or not the Book of Enoch is Biblical (can be considered as God-sent) or not. Mike Hoggard doesn't not believe in the Book of Enoch as being Biblical, but Mike Heiser does. I tend to side with Heiser on this one.

The only reason I brought up that sidetrack was the fact that the Book of Enoch plays are large role in validating the existence of the Watchers. The Book of Enoch is like a supplemental resource book to the Bible.

Anyways - I will have to look up more of Mike Heiser's videos as this was my first introduction to him. I just wish this particular video was clearer. No matter the resolution setting I put the YT video on, all the text he showed was fuzzy.

Does anyone know if any of his books covers all this, using as many examples and illustrations as he did for that presentation?

Thanks!
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actually I was responding with arrogance to your arrogance...

look, i have all the evidence and proof I need...I know what is about to happen, and your story of resurrection from the dead is bogus...

what will actually happen - you will incarnate again, but on another planet... if, and that is a big if, your soul wants and needs more experiences in this game...
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Show me where I expressed arrogance, that is worse than what you've been expressing. Be specific, if you want me to learn from my alleged mistakes.

It's fine for you to be convinced of your own beliefs; it's also fine for me to be convinced of mine. I have not told you you need to "wake up" or anything like that; I've only told you I disagree. You can call what I believe 'bogus' in spite of eyewitness testimony, and you can smear the witnesses if you prefer. But you have given NOTHING at all to back up your claims, so they are at least as bogus.

I find your continued warnings about what may be in store for me nothing but a double standard in the arrogance department.
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go back and read your response to me!!!! or, perhaps you cannot read your arrogance...

excuse me - i see you professing; wake up to the saving grace and resurrection that can be gained by accepting jesus christ... obviously you have invested a great deal of time in this material, and holding with the party line...

i am telling you it is bogus... you are telling me, my knowledge is ludicrous, unverifiable... one of us is right, and one of us is wrong... we cannot both be right...

so, in true game fashion, we are going to have to wait for events to play themselves out for personal verification...

have to go now, work calls... i will check the thread later this evening...
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Funny, I've been watching a video series done by Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethal Church, Feastus, MO on the Watchers/Giants, etc.

He went through the OT, pointing out all the various names/clans of Giants. So, as I watched Michael Heiser's video on that topic, I actually felt smart! hehehe

Not to sidetrack the core topic of this thread, I have to say there is still a lot of controversy as to whether or not the Book of Enoch is Biblical (can be considered as God-sent) or not. Mike Hoggard doesn't not believe in the Book of Enoch as being Biblical, but Mike Heiser does. I tend to side with Heiser on this one.

The only reason I brought up that sidetrack was the fact that the Book of Enoch plays are large role in validating the existence of the Watchers. The Book of Enoch is like a supplemental resource book to the Bible.

Anyways - I will have to look up more of Mike Heiser's videos as this was my first introduction to him. I just wish this particular video was clearer. No matter the resolution setting I put the YT video on, all the text he showed was fuzzy.

Does anyone know if any of his books covers all this, using as many examples and illustrations as he did for that presentation?

Thanks!
 Quoting: OnTheFence


I believe the Book of Enoch is at least historically significant, though we have to be careful we're reading the real book and not one of the forgeries. I haven't read the whole thing myself, so I can't make an informed judgment about it being Biblical or not. But what I've seen of it doesn't seem to contradict anything in the Bible or impact the overall message. And though the NT does make brief mention of things Enoch said, we should note that they don't speak of an entire "Book of Enoch". Just some thoughts about that.

But yes, it does supply a lot of detail concerning the meaning of some minimal statements in Genesis. And this is true of many other passages; we rely upon other historical evidence in order to understand more of the context. This is mistaken by some to be an attempt to alter the Word of God, but it is no more altering it than when we use a lexicon to understand the ancient languages.

As for Heiser's books, I'm pretty new to his work as well. As a PhD I'm sure he has books, and I do know he has various websites, some dedicated to a single topic. Yeah, too bad about the poor quality of the video.
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go back and read your response to me!!!! or, perhaps you cannot read your arrogance...
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I asked you very nicely to show me my offensive words. It appears now that you know no such arrogance was displayed, or you would have been eager to show them to me.

I could easily accuse you of being utterly blind to your own words, and if I did so, you would have every right to demand I prove the charge. And if I responded as you did here, you'd have every right to dismiss me as a false accuser.


excuse me - i see you professing; wake up to the saving grace and resurrection that can be gained by accepting jesus christ... obviously you have invested a great deal of time in this material, and holding with the party line...
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Truth is not a "party line", and I only "profess" to people whose eternal destination I care about. Maybe my concern was misplaced.


i am telling you it is bogus... you are telling me, my knowledge is ludicrous, unverifiable... one of us is right, and one of us is wrong... we cannot both be right...
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You can "profess" to me if you like, but I can't "profess" to you????

I'm telling you what I believe about the ancient alien theory as discussed in the video. You're telling me that what you believe is superior, just because you believe it. You now appear to be getting very emotional and offended that I have expressed opinions which differ from your own. Perhaps this topic is too upsetting for you, and you should read other threads that are more to your liking and won't upset you.

You believe you are right; I believe I am right. One of us is mistaken. Which one, is not for either of us to proclaim and judge as divine truth. You profess what you believe is true, and I'll do the same.


so, in true game fashion, we are going to have to wait for events to play themselves out for personal verification...

have to go now, work calls... i will check the thread later this evening...
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This is not a game, in the sense of entertainment. It's life or death of your eternal soul. And it's the last time I'll concern myself with it.
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)

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