ZetaTalk Accuracy, Proof Just Keeps Coming : Blog Radio May 31

Nancy,

I spent like, 3 hours one night reading Zeta talk one time.

The following day, I had the stomach flu and a headache like you wouldn't beleive.

I can't read that stuff anymore without having flashbacks.

Just thought you should know.

Sun as a binary? ARE YOU FUCKIN SERIOUS?


Satellite Failures due to pole shift? NAME ONE.

The only proof that keeps coming is that you don't have a fuckin clue how anything works and apparently the Zetas who talk to you don't either.

Jeeze AA, everyone who can read now knows that our solar system is binary. What rock have you been under?

Yea you're right... guess tptb can even hide the binary star in plain site from every astronomer on the planet since to anyone who looks in the sky with the naked eye since the dawn of recorded history.

AA do a little research. A little is all it'll take.

I can't believe you don't know that our solar system is binary.

It's common knowledge now.

Start with this: [link to www.binaryresearchinstitute.org]

Sorry everyone for not knowing our Sun was actually a binary star!!!!

"ZetaTalk Accuracy, Proof Just Keeps Coming"

Yep, proof just keeps coming that you're wrong. End of story.

It's ok AA, most people here don't know everything.

98553 There are a few HUGE problems with that theory. The most major one being, what would be holding the stars in a centripigal orbit?

" While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis.

Beyond direct detection – one way to deTrinfere in a binary system is to see if the Sun is curving through space. To us on Earth that means we should experience a gradual “changing orientation to inertial space.” Such a phenomenon is observed as the precession of the equinox."

The precession of the equinoxes is explained in much more mundane ways.

The steady predictable orbits of the planets make such an invisible partner extremely unlikely. Right now there isn't any observed phenomona that seems to indicate the prescence of such an object, and it appears unnecessary to explain what motions we DO observe.

Much more evidence, such as an actual experiment to prove such an object need to be developed. So far, none have been necessary, and the orbits of man made objects far into the depths of the solar system have not been unusally perturbed.

It is NOT a commonly accepted fact, or you wouldn't have to go to such a woo-woo page to support it.

>>Start with this: [link]<<

yeah - i remember the last time we had a few months without any darkness what so ever - must have been that binary star thing

ha ha

tool

No. Actualy The Sun is a hexadecimal star.

However it is very possible that the Solar System is a binary star system, and that there is a companion brown dwarf revolving arround the Sun with an unusual orbit. Similar binary star systems have already been discovered near our own.

"While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis."


That is a big load of horseshit. There would be all kinds of em / radio transmissions / radiation we would be able to detect VERY easily.

While wilfull ignorance is not a crime AA, you should consider that it doesn't benifit you either.

You may not like the fact that we are part of a binary system, but it doesn't change the fact. Stop asking me questions and do the research which the most ignorant poster on this forum just scorned.

Educate yourself. You will appreciate the experience. Check the site. If you have more questions do more research.

I read the site. Read their "calculations." I am not sure what your background is in but mine is in math and science and I am telling you that theory is a big turd.

As I stated before the HUGE problem with that theory AFTER you assume the second star is invisible and doesn't emit radio waves, EM Radiation, Solar Radiations, etc. like EVERY OTHER STAR in the universe (even black holes), is that there is NOTHING to keep the two stars in a centripigal orbit as shown by their calculations. Binary stars are always in orbit around each other and almost always so close they actually exchange matter.

Not to mention that even if we ignore that there is NOTHING to keep those two stars in their eliptical orbit when the stars crossed got close enough to cross each others orbit their own gravitational forces would throw their orbits off course.

Just for starters.

I am a VERY open-minded person to anything and everything. Just prove it to me and please show me how it works. The theory presented on that website is pure bullshit. Mathematically and physically impossible.

Open-minded does not mean believe anything and everything. Look at Nancy for example.

what is a 'centripigal orbit'?

Zetas wrong again!

The Poop just keeps coming!

"[the 2003 Nibiru panic] was planned by the Zetas (an extraterrestrial race), to provoke President Bush into a precipitous invasion of Iraq to secure the oil fields in advance of a Nibiru flyby.” - Nancy changes her story. May, 2005


"ZetaTalk and ZetaTalk alone has been found, in trial focus groups worldwide, to be a known and respected source of information" - Nancy Lieder, Kook.




"So, not only did we have all these live seismos go blank, during that period, but somebody let me know that HAARP magnometers or whatever they’re called, in Alaska, there’s several, where the N. Pole is, they read several emanations from the Sun and where the compasses are pointing and the like, kind of went wild, spiked at that time. "


Nancy´s kite goof is still in the Google
cach: [link to dont_use_this.com]


"Why do you listen to somebody who is rattling on, making claims, and it may be
or may not be valid. But what are they bringing forth. What the Zetas have said
since the start of 2002, because this is a field where people make a lot of wild
claims, and don´t necessarily come forth with anything behind it, and could be
just lying, for whatever personal reason. Can they predict, and do they have a
prediction accuracy track record. ZetaTalk has an excellent prediction accuracy
track record. You can say ´what about May 15, 2003´, but other than that, it´s
darn good, and there´s a reason for that date having been floated out there and
being wrong. So, we say, ´what are these other people do along those lines, what
evidence did they produce.´ If the evidence is zero, and they can´t predict,
they why should you even take them seriously whatsoever." - Nancy Lieder on Lou Gentile, Dec 23,2004



"The Earth´s dark twin, approaching from behind her, has scant
months to reach her and create a crisis. Earth stopping on Dec 25 allows
for a full half orbit by this twin by June 25, 2004, but the crisis
will occur sooner and for many reason. This twin cannot go to the left,
where Venus lies, nor the right, where Mars rides, and cannot move
forward. The effect of such a traffice jam is not within man´s
knowledgebank."

So she is saying that we will have a "crisis" with "Earth´s dark
twin" before June 25, 2004. Will she claim another "white lie"
when this date comes and goes without a problem?

"May all you blind idiots gurgle slowly as the flood tide rises, trapped as you lingered too long in your cushy pads and did not heed the warning. OR, alternatively, may you drop from exhaustion while trying to climb painfully to safety with one broken leg dangling uselessly. OR, alternatively, may you find yourself too weak from hunger to resist while your starving pet dog makes a meal of what remains of your flacid butt" -Nancy Lieder, Kook Supreme


"... We have given the correct dates for the return of the 12th Planet as the year 2003 for the devastating first pass. All other dates are incorrect." -- Nancy Lieder

--
"...So, I think if we continue to collect $4.10 for the CD set, etc, a hair over actual cost, we will generate any additional $100-$200 needed for the entire year[2004]!" - Nancy admits no Poleshift in 2004.

--.


"But truth is, you fucking asswipes, you´re going to die soon or at least want to die after PX hits. And I, for one, will be laughing at you from wherever I am, because the kind of fuckfaced arrogance you all exhibit needs to be wiped off this planet so it can breathe again.

Die, debunker/harasser scum ... die slowly and in great fear!!! "

Wee, Zetakook

--

"For those who think we abuse Nancy in this, she has been through this before with the Hale-Bopp issue, when we stated it was a comet that was being pointed to going into the 1997 grand show, but she was still under the assumption that it was going to be a no-show, and the famous May 15, 2003 White Lie wherein we did lie and she firmly believed the rotation stoppage and shift were imminent." - Nancy pretending to channel lying zetas.

--

I´m not the only one who has noticed that when you ask Nancy a straightforward question, she responds with dozens of lines of incomprehensible gibberish unrelated to your question.

Some psychiatrically challenged Zeta is channelling all this stuff to her. The data is corrupt at it´s source! That explains everything. She is a mouthpiece for an interstellar street person.

I propose that we all ask Nancy to channel a different Zeta - hopefully one who doesn´t sleep outdoors on urine-soaked cardboard boxes many light-years away.

If we all do this, maybe she´ll listen and find someone "out there" who will help her, us, and the obviously psychotic Zeta she´s been enabling these many years.

Nancy, what do you say?

--


The original post in this thread has been a paid-for advertisement by Zetatalk®, and in no way resembles reality or truth. Names and persons portrayed and provided are fictional, and are not intended to assume that real persons have subscribed to the posted beliefs. Some names have been changed or falsified to protect the guilty. Although Troubled Times, Inc, is a non-profit organization, funds may be diverted at times to supplement board members incomes, personal property, or the religious indoctrination of new members of ZetaTalk by spamming, trolling, or posting white lies to the general public. The Treasurer of Troubled Times, Inc reserves the right to use donated funds as he/she sees fit, and for any purpose that may supplement his/her personal lifestyle.

Donations may be sent to
Nancy Lieder
Treasurer
Troubled Times, Inc.

Cash (preferred), Money Orders, and personal checks welcome. Make checks and money orders out to Nancy Lieder


All rights reserved, Zetatalk®

--

Please buy Nancy´s new book


"Zetatalk II: Misdirected Non-answers from the Zeta Reticuli People"

About the Author:
Nancy Lieder is an unemployed doomsday woo-woo who wrote ZetaTalk after awakening late in life to her paranoid schizophrenia status. She is the web mistress of the Zetatalk website and an officer of its failed nonprofit arm, Troubled Times, Inc. She was born and raised in Wisconsin, and returned there from California to start an ET cult after getting a sign from the Zeta Reticulans, an unwrapped Starburst candy at the bottom of a box. She is frequently seen in the media making an ass of herself, and has appeared on numerous morning FM radio shows as the brunt of typical FM morning show humour.


Book Description:
ZetaTalk is a grand compilation of white lies and bad science, communicated telepathically by teams of mental patients from Zeta Reticuli to their emissary, Nancy Lieder - a passionately credulous contactee that believes everything that the voices in her head tell her.

The Zetas provide misinformation on these topics and many others too foolish to list:

Bad science, poor astronomy, canibalism, pet murder, worm and bug eating, poor photography, failed prophecy, paranoia, hoaxing, mental illness, social incompatibility, Usenet spamming, forum trolling, non-profit fund scamming, avoiding audits, pseudoscience, question avoidance, and many other exciting topics that all cult leaders should be intimately aware of.

Available in paper back June 2004.

--
Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta
*OSIRIS*
9/10/2003
11:53 am EDT

Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta

Psycho-analysis of Nancy Zeta

Why does Nancy Lieder do what she does?
We all know she is shrewd business person, turning buck after buck selling salvation to naive people. But what I want to zero in on is how did it all start...the voices?

Does Nancy believe what she says?

The new-age channeling garbage gave hope to schizophrenics who hear voices. The shrinks say ofcourse, they are not mentally healthy. But the newage claptrap gives new found hope and meaning to the mentally challenged in the guise of offering salvation to the un-attuned masses. If, and I think Nancy really does, hear these voices,,,she wants to believe the voices she hears are actually external beings from another constellation. But, and she knows this, if these voices are internalized, coming from her own mind, she knows she´s fucked.

So Nancy holds on to the Zeta vision, hoping and praying that what the voices say, really come true. Then she can say she heard real voices of salvation. Nancy needs these voices to prove prophetically correct, just for her own safe well being. This is the reason she keeps holding on and believing this planet x nonsense...she´s hoping somehow, somewhere, planet x will show. Eventually, however, and that time is now, she will realize that she really is just mentally unstable.
This will be a huge blow to her big ego, and may pose disasterous results.
Once she realizes she has no power of the inner mechanisms of her mind, she may become very vulnerable to the darker voices which have already leaned heavily on her. She admits to animal sacrifice and the way she treats debunkers is very far from spiritual. I feel Nancy will become suicidal from her manic depression. So the bottom line is this: LET´S ALL HOPE THE WORLD ENDS BY PLANET X DESTROYING US ALL, THIS WAY NANCY WILL FEEL MUCH MUCH BETTER...

--
*Worldwide famines 2000, 2001, 2002
*Imploding cities
*Australia submerged
*Mag 15 earthquakes
*Hundreds of volcanos erupting
*Visible in scopes in 2002
*Mag 2 in 1996
*Hale Bopp not a comet
*Mag 11 in 2002
*Mag 20 in 2003
*Naked eye visible in March 2003 (Nancy saw it as did some posters here on GLP--we remember)
*Red Cross visible in sky by everyone in the world in April 2003
*A hail of meteorites and other debris in May 2003 creating worldwide firestorms
*Red Dust covering everything in May 2003
*Worldwide barter system prior to May 2003
*Satellites flying out of orbit
*Telecommunications almost completely disrupted
*Martial law
*Iraq not allowed to be invaded
*No Regime change in Iraq
*Political leaders evacuate to Mars
*Pole Shift in 2003
*Rotation stops May 2003
*Pole Shift May 15 2003
*Pole Shift May 23 2003
*Pole Shift June 2003
*Pole Shift July 2003
*Weeks NOT months
*Pole Shift August-Sept. 2003
*Occultation of Jupiter by the moon in dec 2004 not to happen as expected
*ISS astronauts dead within weeks - Dec 10, 2004.

--

Here Nancy - Consider your record:

1) Crop failures 2000, 2001,2002 - Worldwide famines

2) Imploding cities prior to passage 2003

3) Islands sinking with their population prior to passage 2003

4) Oceans inundate coastal cities prior to passage May 2003

5) Refugee camps set up prior to passage May 2003

6) Hundreds of volcanoes erupting prior to passage May 2003

7) Increased Earthquakes prior to passage May 2003

8) Worldwide economic depression prior to passage May 2003

9) Worldwide barter system prior to passage May 2003

10) Price controls instituted prior to passage May 2003

11) Satellites flying out of orbit and malfunctioning prior to passage May 2003

12) Telecommunications almost completely disrupted prior to passage May 2003

13) Red Dust covering everything prior to rotation stoppage in May 2003

14) Iraq: No regime change

15) The Moon does not rotate

16) Hale Bopp not a comet

17) "White Lie #1" about Hale Bopp

18) Political leaders evacuate (not allowed to go to mars - what a hoot!)

19) Mag 2 in 1996

20) Mag 11 in 2001 (it seems to be heading out of the solar system)

21) Visible to all amateur scopes in 2002

22) Mag 20 in 2003 (yep, definitely heading out of the solar system)

23) Naked eye visible in March 2003 (must have turned around. Nancy saw it as did some posters here on GLP--we remember)

24) Red Cross visible in sky by everyone in the world in April 2003

25) Australia submerged during the Pole Shift May 2003

26) Mag 15 earthquakes during the Pole Shift May 2003

27) An hail of meteorites and other debris in May 2003 creating worldwide firestorms during the Pole Shift

28) Rotation stops May 2003

29) Pole Shift May 15 2003

30) Pole Shift May 27 2003

31) "White Lie #2" about Pole Shift

32) Pole Shift June 2003

33) Pole Shift July 2003

34) "Weeks NOT Months"

35) Pole Shift August-Sept. 2003

36) Pole Shift and Precursors Dec. 25-30, 2003.

37) Pole Shift in 2003

38) "Zetas 100% accurate" - Nancy Lieder

And Even More

The world was supposed to end on May 15th 2003 when a brown dwarf passed through the solar system causing catastrophic upheaval and killing 90% of life on Earth. Though it did not happen, this so-called "Planet X" may still represent a danger to life and livelihood.

To some skeptics, the belief in "Planet X" has taken on the nature of a cult religion, and one of the belief´s main advocates, Nancy Lieder, seems to have a Messiah Complex. An overview of the tenets of what is referred to as "Zetacult" as well as statements and actions by Ms. Lieder shows clear evidence of this occurring.

Zetatalk, a word used for Ms. Lieder´s agenda, web site and her persona when she supposedly channels aliens from Zeta Reticuli started in 1995. What has developed since then is far from warmed over Velikovsky, and it is possible that a handful to thousands have embraced her apocalyptic vision. Therein lies the potential for tragedy. Some cults, like Jehovah´s Witnesses survive the passing of a set date for doomsday. Some, like Heaven´s Gate don´t. At the very least there is the possibility of lasting psychological damage to believers realizing they´ve been duped.

Zetatalk as cult religion

UFO religions and cults are classified as such because they have replaced an incorporeal deity with aliens who serve the same purpose. Other UFO movements have inculcated other religious motifs such as agents of evil, a creative or apocalyptic narrative and a "heaven" or better life at some point. As seen with Heaven´s Gate, these tenets can be deadly.

A god who is "up there somewhere," who cares about Earthlings, has power and knowledge far beyond ours and is looking out for us has been replaced in the Zetacult by the Zetas who are the inhabitants of Zeta Reticuli.

Agents of evil who known as demons or heretics are manifested in Zetacult by government officials and astronomers who are part of a cabal to prevent the "good news" of Planet X from getting out. To believers, NASA is the devil.

An apocalyptical "end time," such as Ragnarok or the events in Revelation occur for the Zetacult when Planet X arrives. A new world is promised to believers who follow the salvation plan offered by the Zetas.

Religious sacred texts contain tenets, methods of salvation or describe the actions (including battles with the enemy) of deities and messiahs. For Zetacult, the texts are easily accessible at www.zetatalk.com. Tenets of faith about Ms. Lieder, Planet X and the Zetas, words of wisdom on a variety of spiritual and scientific topics, methods of surviving Planet Xs arrival so that you can live in the "heaven" of the post arrival world and transcripts of Ms. Lieder´s battles with the demons (transcripts of IRC chats with astronomers and skeptics) are all available there.

Prophecy or future sight is used by many religions to demonstrate the higher knowledge of god. Adherents then wait for fulfillment (sometimes with very tortured logic or thin evidence) to proclaim the "truth" of their religion because their god knew of future events. Zetatalk.com has a page dedicated to supposed fulfillments of Ms Lieder´s Zeta channeled prophecies demonstrating the higher knowledge of the Zeta gods.

Similar to prophecy are signs and wonders that supposedly demonstrate the truth of a religions tenets or as a demonstration that the end times are immanent. Zetatalk.com includes photos of Planet X that are either fakes or mistakes. Ms. Lieder is also making claims about earthquakes and weather phenomena to prove the Planet X end times is upon us.

Much like Catholic and Orthodox Christianity or Sunni and Shiia Islam, Zetacult endured a schism between Ms. Lieder and a man named Mark Hazlewood. Amid accusations of money-making schemes and copyright violations the two split and are now trying position themselves as the inheritor of Planet X truth.

Cults often develop a siege mentality and seek to isolate themselves from influences that might interfere with total adherence to cult dogma. Zetacult isolationism is primarily intellectual and seen mainly in their on-line presence. Believers heavily moderate and censor chat sessions and message boards and skeptics or dissenting opinions are removed just for asking questions.

Cults and fringe sects of religion, such as Young Earth Creationists follow a simple credo - Science is bad, Revealed Knowledge is good. This credo is at the heart of the Zetacult. It doesn´t matter what some PhD is telling you. It doesn´t matter what some amature skywatcher with her own 8 inch telescope tells you. It doesn´t matter what mathematicians, astronomers, geologists or meteorologists are telling you. All that matters is Ms. Lieder´s revelations from the Zetas.

Cults have charismatic leaders who get the good news out, recruit believers, do battle with agents of evil and tell followers exactly how to live their lives. Some like Marshall Applewhite and David Koresh see themselves as messianic figures. This next section will show that Nancy Lieder sees herself to be one as well.
Nancy Lieder as Messiah

Ambitious people, out to save or change the world, have often seen themselves as historical figures. Some of them have crossed a threshold and begin to see themselves as divine agents or as deities themselves. The results have largely depended on circumstances and the levels of power attained by these individuals. In Alexander the great, the results were, unless one was Persian, generally neutral or positive. In Hitler they were devastating on a massive scale. With Messrs. Applewhite and Koresh tragedies occurred, but on a much smaller scale. Some of Ms. Lieder´s claims put her in league with these last two, but luckily she doesn´t have her believers ensconced in a compound. Keeping in mind the cult/religious aspects of Zetatalk, an analysis of these claims clearly shows a messianic mindset.

She claims to be a "chosen one of the Zeta gods."

She claims to have exclusive access and to speak for the Zeta gods.

She claims to be able to deliver humanity from the Planet X end times.

She claims to be fighting against agents of evil that are out to spread disinformation and prevent the populace from accepting Zetacult´s truth.

Like Osiris, Bohidarma, Jesus and other message bringers, she claims to have suffered or gone through a trail to become the chosen one.
This quote is from the May 13, 2003 edition of Coast to Coast AM with George Noory:

"Because we could rely on her at this point in time. Uh, after years of, of intense pressure, um, ah, trying to gut her, ah, from every angle that affects a human being, um, to, ah, give up, walk away, um, close down her psyche, alter her message, um, make mistakes, uh, we could rely on her not to do that…"
In addition to her transformative ordeal, she sees herself as a social or intellectual martyr for her cause, and expresses a willingness to be physically martyred as well.

She sees herself as emulating historical characters and that she´ll be thought of as one as well. Again, from the May 13, 2003 Coast to Coast AM:
"I am Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa in essence…"
The Joan of Arc reference is a clear attempt to reinforce her martyr image as well.

She claims to the gift of prophecy though revelations made to her when she channels the Zetas.

She has an entire web site and publishing company dedicated to telling believers how to live their lives and what they must (move to safe area, euthanize pets) in order to make it through the Planet X end times.
It matters

People who argue against nonsense have many reasons for doing so. Some altruistically try and help their fellow man avoid being scammed out of money or pride while others just want to rid the world of kooks and kooky ideas. One of the most altruistic efforts a skeptic can make is trying to stop someone from ruining their lives or worse yet committing suicide over bogus beliefs like Planet X and the Zetacult. The arrival date for Planet X has passed, but the time for confronting Zetatalk and Nancy Lieder has not.

Elle, centripigal force, aka centrifugal force, is the force exterted on an object as it is attatched to a center point and swung around it in a circle. IE, the earth rotating around the sun and yet the sun has enough gravitational pull to counter-act the centrifugal force of the earth's orbit.

For something to "orbit" there has to be a force to hold that body of mass in orbit less the centripigal force force that body of mass in a straight line away from the center of orbit.

Very basic... swing a ball around your head attached to a string. What happens when that string breaks?

"ZetaTalk Accuracy" is an oxymoron.

ZetaTalk Bullshit is a given.

centrifugal force i am familar with

centripigal force was unfamilar to me

What kind of an accent does Nancy Lieder have?

reality is also unfamiliar to you

cowardliness is your reality

I've never heard of the term centripigal. However centrifugal and centripetal I have heard of and know what they mean.

OK AA, since you have the knowlege to disput the binary theory and in doing so explained why the earth rotates the sun, could you expand on gravity please.... What is it?