ZetaTalk Accuracy, Proof Just Keeps Coming : Blog Radio May 31

If you mean Dr Postman, you lie...

As always.

He stated that Einstein's work was based
on existing science, AS IS ALL SCIENCE.

No scientist starts from scratch.

"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." - Sir Isaac Newton

No, I meant Dr. Pepper.

Zidiot, Nancy/elle scribbled in It's drunkin haze:

"careful coward & dayzd you might want to

check in with peedr before you

congratulate einstein--the pee says doctor

einstein is just a plagirist :)"

Drunk again I see. No wonder you're seeing and hearing little green men. You really should try sobering up once in awhile, because you're starting to believe those hallucinations of yours. (Scratch: Starting)

Oh? you're right about the Sun being 20 degrees off. If I was as full of booze as you are, I'd of seen the same thing too.

How do you like me now??







:"I see you're playing stupid again, looks like you're winning":

i am still not nancy--whats with your dim

witted sign offs?

100161 yup--ghandi was a racist too-if you

ask the jealous p--people don't remain

human if they try to make a differnce they

are only targets for slander according to

some

"I wonder how they'll be sounding a few months from now?"

I'd ask how the woo-woos will be sounding years from now, but we already know. They'll still be insisting that "Planet X" is coming any day now, regardless of how many lies Nancy tells.

"97 degrees here today & very humid"

OMG!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!! HEAT IN LATE MAY! THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE! THE END IS NIGH!!

"so maybe we'll have a frost in july"

Anything is possible, but that still doesn't make the "Zetas" or Nancy right.

"'proof just keeps coming' ain't that the truth!"

Except for proof that "Planet X" exists, or that the Earth is "halted in orbit." We're still waiting for that one. So, tell us "elle" what equipment did you use to measure that 20 degree variance while you were "camping?" An AC asked that on the last page and you, as usual, dodged and evaded.

"watch while some squirmers say they 'know' what thousands or hundreds of folks are thinking or believing"

That would be you and Nancy, "elle." You and Nancy claim that more and more people are listening to Nancy's "message" even though facts prove otherwise.

> Capricorn is visible in the morning sky. Earth cannot be halted.

Where you been, boy? This says it ALL.

ZetaTalk: Simulating the Seasons
written May 26, 2006
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Q: The Big Dipper appears appropriate for May 25, 2006 at midnight. The only way to get the Big Dipper to appear as it did during the Oct 15 position, would be to assume a 5:00 pm time, then it lines up exactly as it did on midnight May 25. I also noted that the Sunset was in the extreme NW a couple days ago, estimated 20° too far to the North, and the message boards have been alive with similar observations for Sunrise, up to 30° too far North. We're supposed to be pushed back into the Fall position, in our orbit, a complexity of factors at play. Photos from Japan also show the Sun not moving steadily across the skyarc during the day, but faster at certain points. Then there's the issue of the Earth's magnetic field moving about, recently reported to be pushed further to the West from where it was days ago. This is such a confusing picture. What's going on? [and from another] Usually in May the Sun goes 15° degrees per hour. I photographed the Sun shadow during the day, and this is no longer the case. The Sun is at its zenith at 11:53 am here in Japan at Nara. I started the photo sessions at 9:53 am. From 10-11 it moved 30°, from 11-12 it moved 45°, from 12-1 it moved 50°, from 1-2 it moved 20°, from 2-3 only 10°, from 3-4:30 only 8°. Please ask the Zetas what this means!

Beyond the issue of why the constellations appeared normal to Nancy for May 25, 2006, when she assumed the Earth to be somewhere in the Fall position, there is also the issue of the Sun rising and setting too far to the North by many degrees, an estimated 20-30 degrees, as noted by Nancy and a number of other individuals posting on message boards and sending her frantic email. Nancy is trying to correlate these facts with our statements on the Earth orbit and tilt.

1. We have stated that Earth will be pushed back in her orbit to the point of August, prior to passage, and is held in the cup. The mobility for Earth while in the cup is up and down and side to side, but not for a very large distance.
2. We mentioned earlier that pushing the globe down below the Ecliptic is another way of maintaining the appearance of normalcy, as a lower posture vs a vs the Sun floods the Northern Hemisphere with sunlight, and puts the Southern Hemisphere into darker days for their Winter. Likewise bobbing the Earth up vs a vs the Sun, in the Ecliptic, allows the reverse.
3. We have explained that the constellations are overhead all the time, just not visible because of light pollution. In a globe out of position, constellations overhead in the dome appear only slightly out of position, but constellations on the horizon will switch, E/W, so this horizon view is a sure clue that the globe is out of position.
4. We have explained that a lean to the left would start to occur as the N Pole of Planet X swung round from the right, as the N Pole of Earth would attempt to evade this, leaning left. This would, as we stated, create a sunarc in the sky that would look increasingly aberrant. Planet X now appears to the right when looking toward the Sun, because the Earth is attempting to escape to the left, beginning to lean her N Pole away from the N Pole of Planet X which is emerging from the right hand side.

Do any of these statements apply to the current situation? The Council of Worlds has required an Element of Doubt be in place, not only about the alien presence but about the approaching pole shift, for many reasons. For the alien presence, a gradual realization on the subconscious level that man is not alone, and intelligent life from elsewhere is visiting, reduces the likelihood of contactees being attacked, burned at the stake by the threatened religious elite or governments. Thus, visitations are recorded in the subconscious, and the Element of Doubt is inserted when photos or video capture occurs. The Element of Doubt on the pole shift is to prevent panic in the establishment, premature imposition of Martial Law, which would surely occur as the establishment has no plan of action other than to save their sorry skins, leaving the common man to his own resources. Thus, the stalled orbit of Earth is hidden in Apparent Precision while benign aliens, ourselves and others, tip the globe to simulate the seasons. We are also manipulating the globe to simulate constellation normalcy. This may seem a fantastic and impossible maneuver, but we will explain.

In arranging to create the Element of Doubt as to the stalled orbit, we sometimes have to make choices. In that the rising and setting Sun would not be noticed by as many, given the workday world rushing to work and eating supper during those times, and given that the point where the Sun rises and sets could be argued, not likely to be measured by busy people on the go, this was deemed a lesser problem. If a constellation, well known, simply disappears from the sky, this not only stirs amateurs on the hunt for them in the night sky but the common man wanting to point these out for their children, stirring many question. So how has the Earth been arranged, vs a vs the Sun, to allow a more appropriate constellation view? The Big Dipper, as it appeared to Nancy, was inappropriate for the Fall position, her estimated Oct 15 position. The Fall position at midnight would have placed it some 1/6 of the way further round the horizon toward the North, and in a different point in its nightly rotation, the view from the Earth as the globe turns under the starry night, being approximately 25% further along in its rotation. Thus, the May 25 and Oct 15 views are not all that different, and a slight adjustment in the position of the globe to a 5:00 pm position puts the Big Dipper in the same place as on May 25 at midnight.

Where the manipulation we are required to do differs as the seasons progress, to simulate a May 25 date when the globe is in the Oct 15 position, the following occurred. We tipped the N Pole of Earth slightly toward the Sun, to bring more hours of daylight, as the Fall position is not yet at the Equinox of Sept 21, but the Spring position is well past the Equinox of March 21. This tipping puts the globe on a slight diagonal, which means the North Star, Polaris, and the Southern Celestrial Pole would be slightly askew, but not to the degree to be noticed by the common man or most amateur astronomers, who sight on these polar stars, assuming them to be correct, and do not use landmarks as locators. This diagonal lean of the Earth toward the Sun is what is causing the Sunrise and Sunset to appear so far to the North, at this time. It also causes an irregular speed of Sunarc, as the view from the Earth swoops down into daylight at the start of the day, and swoops up at dusk at the end of the day, rather than a steady path across the sky. Near noon, the Sunarc is running sideways across the sky, moving rapidly as it is covering more distance per hour. To align a familiar constellation like the Big Dipper, this sideways tip of the N Pole toward the Sun also assists. If on May 25 the Big Dipper is found in the NW, half way up in the dome, but on Oct 15 is found in the extreme NNE closer to the horizon, the tipping of the N Pole toward the Sun places this constellation higher in the dome. For the Big Dipper to also move toward the NW, the N Pole would have to likewise be tipped toward the East, somewhat, toward Planet X rather than away, and this was done. This has produced more magnetic stress, pushing the magnetic N Pole further to the West, at this time. The Lean to the Left we have predicted to occur leading into the 3 days of darkness has not as yet begun.

This manipulation, appropriate for the Element of Doubt on May 15, 2006, will change shortly, as each month presents new challenges to be addressed. For those Insecure, unable to deal with the reality of the presence of Planet X and what this means for their future, unable to deal with the fact of the cover-up and what this means for the likelihood that the government will protect and care for them in the future, the Element of Doubt is in place. For those astute enough to observe the anomalies, the quakes and stretch zone accidents and volcanic increases that are not explained by the Global Warming excuse, the signs are there that things are not right, and the explanation presented by our emissary, Nancy, fits the pieces of the puzzle together correctly. For most, confused by this lengthy discussion of the many factors at play, our manipulation of the view, and the constant change likely to occur as the seasons unfold, a simply examination of the latest oddity suffices. For those into mental gymnastics, careful computation, and putting all the observations together on one page and seeking what answer might account for them all, our words here this day will be a guide. Those wanting to deny will not deal with all the anomalies or observations, choosing to divide in order to attempt to conquer. But all the facts must be faced, at once, for a fair trial of any theory proposed. If the constellations are correct, then why is the Sunrise and Sunset so aberrant, and the swoop of the Sunarc irregular?

"Where you been, boy? This says it ALL."

No, Nancy. Where have YOU been? You're explanation makes absolutely no sense. If Earth were reversed in orbit, then Capricorn would NOT show up in the pre-dawn sky. Can you also give us a hint as to what your excuse will be when the sun lines up perfectly with Stonehenge during the summer solstice? And while you're at it, tell us where "Planet X" is again.

Nancy wrote:

"Where you been, boy? This says it ALL.

ZetaTalk: Simulating the Seasons
written May 26, 2006"

[...]

No. As usual, it says nothing and takes all day to say it.

Word Salad.

Anybody who's interested in our future and is aware of Zetatalk, has already read this.

It is clear that things are not as they should be.

At what point does one stop pointing things out to those who are blind?

Elle and Nancy seem to care more about the debunkers than the debunkers would ever dare to admit. (Though they will trot out their favorite, out of context quote to refute this).

As for myself, I have much less sympathy and patience for the willful ignorance displayed by the sceptic crowd.

They should be grateful that Nancy and Elle are as patient as they are. Personally I believe that you Elle, and Nancy are wasting your time by engaging them.

You two are better persons than I.

So, maybe it is one of the reasons that you are the ones doing what you do.

I supose it's for the best.

I just hope that you aren't casting pearls at the expense of yourselves.

I am grateful for Nancy's perseverance and patience though.

And thank you too Elle.

100348 = Nancy. Notice how the ID is VERY close to the one assigned to Nancy NLI.

"Elle and Nancy seem to care more about the debunkers than the debunkers would ever dare to admit."

If either of you cared, you'd quit dodging and evading questions. You'd provide an honest answer or just say, "I don't know." The only thing that you, Nancy, care about is your so called "reputation." You can't even entertain the thought that you might be, and in all likelihood are, wrong. Three years of "Planet X" failing to show up, one "white lie" and one incident of the "Zetas" admitting they "jerked you around" and several other predictions failed (like death to the crew aboard the ISS), and yet you continue to believe the voices in your head over reason, logic and mounds of evidence that proves you wrong.

"As for myself, I have much less sympathy and patience for the willful ignorance displayed by the sceptic crowd."

Provide concrete, verifiable proof of "Planet X" and there won't be any skeptics, Nancy. Pointing to every earthquake or storm does NOT prove anything.

"Elle and Nancy seem to care more about the debunkers than the debunkers would ever dare to admit. (Though they will trot out their favorite, out of context quote to refute this)."

Yeah right. Like when nancy wished death on the innocent _family_ of astronomer John Oliver.

What kind of context could possibly justify that?

>>Where you been, boy? This says it ALL.<<

No, it doesn't say anything.

For example, you are using a constellation that is visible year around from the Northern Hemisphere. Dismissing for the moment that the Zetas seem to think that the sky looks like Wisconsin's no matter where you are on Earth, the Capricorn example eliminates an error that Nancy constantly uses...namely the position of the Big Dipper. You calim it is twisted or out of position or that the Big Dipper can be in multiple places and directions and demonstrate the Earth is out of place.

An easier thing to do is pick a constellation that should be behind the Sun, were Earth halted or reversed. Capricorn fit the bill nicely, for if Earth were halted or reversed, there is NO WAY that Capricorn could be visible in the morning sky. None. No matter how you bobble, weave, fold, spindle, and mutilate the Earth, the only movement that allows Capricorn to be visible in the morning is Earth's NORMAL motion around the Sun.

That's why I picked it.

>>1. We have stated that Earth will be pushed back in her orbit to the point of August, prior to passage, and is held in the cup. The mobility for Earth while in the cup is up and down and side to side, but not for a very large distance.<<

Then Capricorn would be lost in the Sun's glare. It isn't, so number one is wrong.

>>2. We mentioned earlier that pushing the globe down below the Ecliptic is another way of maintaining the appearance of normalcy, as a lower posture vs a vs the Sun floods the Northern Hemisphere with sunlight, and puts the Southern Hemisphere into darker days for their Winter. Likewise bobbing the Earth up vs a vs the Sun, in the Ecliptic, allows the reverse.<<

Again, Capricorn would remain invisible in the Sun's glare. It isn't, so number two is wrong.

>>3. We have explained that the constellations are overhead all the time, just not visible because of light pollution. In a globe out of position, constellations overhead in the dome appear only slightly out of position, but constellations on the horizon will switch, E/W, so this horizon view is a sure clue that the globe is out of position.<<

This is an example of the Zetas just being plain wrong, but I'll play. The Constellations overhead at predictable times rely on the precise known motions of the Earth. Assuming you moved the Earth 'up and down' while keeping the polestar precisely aligned with the pole, constellations along the pole would not switch at all. The other planets, however, would fail to move into the constellations they are predicted to. Also, such an up/down situation, Capricorn would STILL be nvisible in the Sun's glare. It isn't, so number three is wrong.

>>4. We have explained that a lean to the left would start to occur as the N Pole of Planet X swung round from the right, as the N Pole of Earth would attempt to evade this, leaning left. This would, as we stated, create a sunarc in the sky that would look increasingly aberrant. Planet X now appears to the right when looking toward the Sun, because the Earth is attempting to escape to the left, beginning to lean her N Pole away from the N Pole of Planet X which is emerging from the right hand side.<<

It wouldn't just affect the Sun -- EVERYTHING in the heavens would be WILDLY unpredictable. The stars all have arcs, as well, since the arc is a result of Earth spinning on tis precisely pointed axis. If the axis tilts so the Sun appears abnormal, ALL THE STARS WILL TOO, and in terribly unpredictable ways. However, Capricorn would REMAIN lost in the Sun's 'light pollution' if such a situation were true. Itt isn't, so number four must be wrong.

Your claim of the Zetas pushing "down" the Earth wouldn't do it. If Earth were halted or reversed, and then displaced out of the ecliptic as well, the planets would be wrong, and Capricorn would STILL be invisible in the Sun's glare. If the Zetas moved ALL the planets "donw" together, Capricorn would STILL be lost in the Sun's glare, and now all the planets wouldn't move in constellations predicted, occultations, and eclipses, and transits wouldn't happen on time, if at all.

There are only two movements that can account for Capricorn in the morning this way.

Either 1) The Earth, Sun, and all the objects we can observe in the Universer are moving in their normal patterns.

Or 2) THe Zetas are MOVING the Earth, Sun, and ALL THE OBJECTS WE CAN OBSERVE IN THE UNIVERSE to simulate their normal patterns.

And, if the Zetas have that much power, they can stop PX from its destructive pass. After all, they stopped a comet or two, yes?

So, Nancy, you explanation is wrong, or quite incomplete. Would you care to try again?

As long as I have Capricorn, and now Aquarius in the morning, then the Zeta claims of odd motion of the Earth MUST be false. And Capricorn is now rising closer to midnight than the morning, so even Elle can stay up late enough to take a look.

Capricorn up=Zetas wrong. There's no other way about it.

"2. We mentioned earlier that pushing the globe down below the Ecliptic is another way of maintaining the appearance of normalcy"

Another thing to point out on this is that if Earth were "pushed down in the ecliptic" then some stars and constellations ONLY visible in the southern hemisphere would then become visible in the northern hemisphere as well.

"3. We have explained that the constellations are overhead all the time, just not visible because of light pollution."

For that to happen Nancy, the sun would have to revolve around the Earth. It doesn't so what you say here is utter nonsense.

"4. We have explained that a lean to the left would start to occur as the N Pole of Planet X swung round from the right, as the N Pole of Earth would attempt to evade this, leaning left. This would, as we stated, create a sunarc in the sky that would look increasingly aberrant. Planet X now appears to the right when looking toward the Sun, because the Earth is attempting to escape to the left, beginning to lean her N Pole away from the N Pole of Planet X which is emerging from the right hand side."

Well, this is absolute gibberish. The Earth is leaning "left" in relation to what? You also claim that "Planet X" is to the "right of the sun" both at sunrise and sunset. That is impossible. And even if it were, then why do your "photos" of "Planet X" show it in all kinds of different positions? And another thing, how could this make believe "planet" be emerging from behind the sun when for the past three years you've been claiming that it was directly between the Earth and Sun...and at one point in front of Earth blocking our orbit. Man, this "planet" sure does get around.

a ufo video from dan akroyd interviewed by

david sereda came out yesterday

[link to news.scotsman.com]

Wow, I've never heard such idiocrisy as what Circuit Breaker just typed. Some people need to be taken under the wing of a real astonomer so they can understand the universe they live in. Circuit Breaker, time to put the toys away.

He's going to accuse the two of you of being the same person because you were assigned similar IPs.

He did it earlier today.

Talk about being a conspiracist!

broken circuits day off he is tired of

jogging & ready to jump to extreme

conclusions as usual

Oh look! Now he has an excuse to accuse me of being you two as well.

The world is a multifarious reality the debunkers try to scramble up and pass it off as truth. Your days of deceptions are slowly but most surely coming to a halt and you will be very disturbed about the reprisals sparked, to say the least.

Coward #100596
5/31/2006 9:26 PM

Wow, I've never heard such idiocrisy as what Circuit Breaker just typed.
Some people need to be taken under the wing of a real astonomer...
________________
You mean like the author of this piece.
[link to www.badastronomy.com]

BTW, the word 'idiocrACy' doesn't mean what
you seem to think it means.
[link to dictionary.reference.com]

As usual, no reply to my points despite being polite and to the point.

The believers won't ever give up, which is fine. PX will also never show up, which is better.

And I've still Got Capricorn. The fact that believers don't dare to even look, don't dare to voice a SINGLE observation that will falsify their idea shows how dishonest they really are, and how weak the core idea truly is.

Want proof? When Mercury transits the Sun, it is proof absolute that Nancy is wrong. Of course, the believers won't see it that way, but they can't offer a SINGLE observation that will falsify their idea.

Not one.

Amazing.

Have I missed the reply from Nancy Lieder or one of her followers about my questions about the moving of stars and tilting of Earth.

My question is, if the Zeta's moved the stars around and tilted the Earth to make things appear normal.... Why then does Nancy Lieder their Emissary keep telling people about it on this forum that she has many times stated was watched by the elite and PTB?

All the efforts of the Zetas to make things appear normal and Nancy Lieder keeps pointing out things that are not normal, it does not make sense to me.

Can someone explain this strategy?

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"Oh look! Now he has an excuse to accuse me of being you two as well."

N'elle, I dunno...are you just getting nuttier and nuttier as each month goes by with absolutely no sign of PX?

Why don't you bring back that Indian chief persona? That one was fun.

Come to think of it though..."L" is pretty funny (with that drunken stupor style), as well. No wait...I forgot...that is "L(E)". LOL

"BTW, the word 'idiocrACy' doesn't mean what
you seem to think it means."

HAHA, I thought I was making the word up but apparently not.

"You guys have extraordinarily gigantic
and impossible values of "soon". "slowly""

I know, I know. Planet X moves like a snail in this solar system, but at the same time the shift is right around the corner. It is a very anxious time for both the bunkers who see, and the debunkers who also see but are bent on world domination. For the debunkers who debunk out of fear and comfort, then it really doesn't matter how soon or slow it is.

N'elle...
After months of hard work I finally managed to make my "call" to the zetas. They asked me to pass a message on to you (apparently you have been ignoring them for about three years now).

They say that you need to stop the planet x stuff. They say that there truly is a planet x orbiting a sun but it is actually another solar system just down the road a bit. They got things a bit mixed up and contacted you by mistake--the wrong Nancy Lieder. In the meantime, planet x has already arrived and departed in the other system and they are very sad that they were not there to provide proper warnings.

Can you imagine that there are actually two Nancy Lieders in the universe? Blew my mind....

SURE it does...

PROOF keeps coming in!!! This just in, Continued Failed Predictions run rampant, and people still follow blindly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, Nan Sila Dur... of Sof III.

Sorry.