WHAT was the FORBIDDEN FRUIT?

The knowledge of "good" and "evil"



Satan

yep.
knowledge of ALL kinds.

The seed (sperm) of the serpent that corrupted our dna.

the first sin had everything to do with sex and the fruit was a cucumber.

case closed

The serpent was not supposed to be satan.

And the fruit was Fly Agaric, aka. the Amanita Muscaria mushroom.

the yoni fruit

THE KNOWLEDGE THAT RELEASES ONE FROM THE BONDAGE OF IGNORANCE.

First we must understand that everything in Torah of Moses is written in Allegory and is in "seed form". It's only as the seed of truth springs forth out of the ground and grows into a tree bearing it's own fruit then the full revelation of the original seed planted is understood.
The Torah speaks in Allegory in types and shadows of a coming redeemer to save mankind from the sin of our first parents disobediance by the creator YEHOVAH Elohim not to eat of the Forbidden fruit.
There were indeed two trees planted in the Garden of Eden. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was situated in the Midst of the Garden of Elohim (God).
Can we find this tree elsewhere in Scripture?
Yes, read Daniel Chapter 4 where the King of Babylon has a dream and sees a great tree in the "MIDST" of the earth which is Allegorically represents Elohims Garden.
He explains to Daniel that this trees height reached unto the heavens and its fruit was fair and in it's branches gave shade to all the beast of the feild and all the earth was fed from the fruit thereof. The birds of the air lodged on it's many branches.
Then the Watcher from heaven came and judged this tree and cut it down to it's stump but not uprooting it.
When Daniel heard the dream he interpreted that the Tree was the King of Babylon and it's evil system.
Remember after the KIng of Babylon had ramsacked Jerusalem and taken the royal tribe of Judah captive the Babylonians then took all the temple treasures into the House of King Nebucadnezzars gods. Thus mixing the truth with evil, or taking the riches and spiritual truths of the Hebrew G-d and mixing it with idolatry giving worship to the gods of Babylon.
to be continued....
If anyone desires more understanding respond and I will continue.

Don't continue on in the same error as Adam, reach instead for the tree of life (Jesus) and live.

Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur?

Ask and it shall be given.
yahweh.com

I have to laugh when people talk about symbols and allegories without knowing the Hebrew words in the text. The couple of trees in Eden is not the unique tree of Nebuchadnezer's dream for Christ sake! The only comparison relevant here is that king built Hanging Gardens of Babylon as demonic mimic of Babilu Eden with a single access at the east like a ziguratt or glass pyramid in France in front of Louvre museum? And yes, guarded by winged-bulls cherubs (the very name cherub is bulls and Ezekiel describes them like this because they also have bulls feet besides the other animalesque features):
[link to fotolog.terra.com.ar]
People should start from page 1 in this discussion instead of jumping and daring to write something at the last page. In Genesis we're dealing with a bright shining interdimensional snake which at one time didn't crawl, that's a seraphim as scholar and one of the few linguists specialized in Biblical Hebrew plus Egyptian and Sumerian, Egyptian language, Michael Heiser, admits. A seraphim is well known by Jewish mysticism and the name is also mentioned in Numbers 21 in the episode of Moses'copper snake and Isaiah about the seraphim who enchanted the Trisagion 3 times holyness to God. Is interesting that chant is antiphonal that inspired the Gregorian chant and Solfeggio hidden chorus and specifically the tone Mi(from Latin Miragestorum) fixes DNA pattern as discovered recently. So, we're not dealing with mere symbols, I set a link with Mayan depictions of the double helix and the "wings" as seen from electromicrography. That's in our physical realms but the same is truth not only in sugar double snake DNA but in spiritual interdimensional realms. That's why original snake with feet was called also dragon. Seraphim were like dragons or snakes with 6 wings. I set a link depicting the Egyptian hieroglyph as well. Hence the talking snake was interdimensional creature who was talking from that dimension with Eve via hallucinogenic tree that opened her eyes. Read Hancock's Supernatural and watch Amazon Peruvian shaman Amaringo's painting here:
[link to www.grahamhancok.com]

I mentioned Chinese ideograms and Assyrian depictions in the proper links showing the same thing so is not just a Biblical interpretation. The brain is also a tree and we can say double energy also bursts out from pyramids that was Rainbow Snake in Australia, Peru and Mayan realms and Egypt.
[link to www.subtlenergies.com]
[link to www.keelynet.com]
Double helix also turns into pyramid:
[link to www.newscientist.com]
If that is also seen in Sirius or somewhere else it proves we're not dealing with "symbols" but realities seen in special circumstances or with the use of "trees". I quoted the text when apostle Paul admits Eve's mind was tricked by Satan who disguises into light bearer.
I mentioned the word "yadha" in Hebrew means having sexual intercourse. That was the "knowing" implicit in the text, sex that was illegal and not blessed. That is mentioned in Genesis 4:1,17 and in verse 25 we read Adam "knew" his wife again. Now, that was not the stupid argument that Adam met his wife from another race somewhere else but he had sexual relationship again. Everytime there was that "knowing" a child was born. Girls usually were not mentioned by name but we know Adam had also daughters (5:4). Book of Jasher confirms Cain married his sister-wife Awan. If Eve herself was taken from Adam's rib (and we know when there's a transplant of marrow we ought to use the one of the relative to dodge rejection because of immunity reasons)Eve was like a clon or endogamy incestual thing coming from Adam. She was like her sister-wife, don't you understand? Cain apparently was cursed since the beginning just like the snake because he was the offspring of Eve having sexual relationship with Samael/Satan, the seraphim who was converted into cherubim. When the other Watchers later on came to earth and had sex with earthy women someone told them the secret.
If you check the genealogy you will see amazing revelations where the names of parents are switch for the children comparing Cain's lineage and Seth, is the same thing and the same names but altered in some letters (awfully translated) which are numbers at the same time, there are 2 Lamech, one was to be avanged 77 times while the other one lived 777 years, there were 2 Enoch and one Enosh, Cainan (little Cain was named after his uncle Cain). This was done purposely to hide the MOTHER SIDE of the lineage and the blood secret and the sacred incest practiced by ancient civilizations to preserve some "divinity".
That lineage or offspring is about DNA as well, so the Mayan knowledge is relevant too:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com]
Specially since Genesis is mention Enoch's city which is also the Nahuatl name for Aztecs called T-Enochtitlan and the number 7 also mentioned in that culture or Egyptian's Pe-Hanock which is also linked with Phoenix cycle and Sirius and the age of Enoch 365 (Genesis 5:23)which is also a calendar present in Teotihuacan Pyramid.
7 pages to read, I chat with the author, he's kind person, if you ever end reading and learn something, then get back and keep on learning whatever learnable thing.
Hallucinogenic tree was the medium from the seraphim to approach to Eve. Notice the seraphim snake/dragon didn't approach to Adam but to Eve from the very beginning. I mentioned the Greek examples of Pandora's box and her husband Epimetheus meaning "the one who thought after" (she screwed up everything) unleashing PANdemonium and Pan which was like a satyr. I quoted Isaiah mentioning the goat demons dwelling in deserts with Lillith who was linked to Samael and Azazel rite to let free a goat into the desert where also Christ was tempted by real entity.

Oops! I mispelled one link, click again:
[link to www.grahamhancock.com]

Fallout and take the bait..
Eat the fruit....
And kiss the snake goodnight...

Good post, Inca! Nice to meet another woo-woo who likes to think REALLY hard about things!!!

More about the Solfeggio Scale:

The Book of Numbers

Many believe that the author of the books Genesis, Exodus and the Book of Numbers is actually Moses. The Book of Numbers deals about the forty-year time span after the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. There are an awful lot of numbers mentioned in the Book of Numbers, hence its name. The numbers seem to have relevance.

Physician and America’s leading herbalist Dr. Joseph S. Puleo was inspired to study the Book of Numbers for healing frequencies. He says he was spiritually inspired to do so after some mystical experiences and the book revealed to him the musical tones destined to be sung by the gathering of a critical mass of a 144.000 people that would hail in a 1000 year lasting peace as mentioned in the Holy Bible. Eventually he did find 6 sound frequencies in the Book of Numbers chapter 7, verses 12-89.

The frequencies found are 396 Hz, 417 Hz, 528 Hz, 639 Hz, 741 Hz, and 852 Hz. These frequencies are the frequencies of a very old musical scale called the Solfeggio scale. It was used in Gregorian and Sanskrit chants. The syllables used to denote the tones are:

Ut-Re-Mi-Fa-Sol-La, they are taken from the medieval song Ut Quent Laxis, a Gregorian chant in Latin written for John the Baptist.

Ut queant laxis Resonare fibris
Mira gestorum Famuli tuorum
Solve polluti Labii reatum
Sancte Iohannes

Translation: In order that the slaves might resonate (resound) the miracles (wonders) of your creations with loosened (expanded) vocal chords. Wash the guilt from (our) Polluted lip.
Saint John.

The text in Ut Quent Laxis is suggesting that these notes open up a channel of communication with the Divine that renders speech useless. In a vision Dr. Joseph S. Puleo was shown to use a number reduction methodology used by Pythagoras. It is a very simple reduction method chucking big numbers into a single digit. The values of all digits in the number are added up. When after the first addition the number still contains more than one digit, the process is repeated. Here’s an example:

456 reduces to 4+5+6 = 15, that next reduces to 1 + 5 = 6. So the number 456 reduces eventually to the single digit 6. Jopeph Puleo found repetitions of a single issue or subject in the Book of Numbers that was brought up. The first thing he found was that of the mentioning of the number of the day, the first day, the second day, the third day etc. The first day was referenced in verse 12, the second day was mentioned in verse 18 and the third day in verse 24. The last reference to a day was in verse 78. All day references are found in verses with a verse increment of 6 starting at verse 12.

The Pythagorean reduction of these verse numbers is:

12 = 1 + 2 = 3
18 = 1 + 8 = 9
24 = 2 + 4 = 6
30 = 3 + 0 = 3
36 = 3 + 6 = 9
42 = 4 + 2 = 6

Do you see the repetition now of 396, 396 etc this keeps going on until verse 78 is reached! This is how the first frequency corresponding to the Ut tone was found.

The other frequencies were found using other repetitive issues found in the text and all matched up with the Solfeggio scale.

The Solfeggio scale after a while was forbidden by the church and changed into our current popular Tempered scale. The Ut was changed into a Do and its frequency changed, also the seventh Ti note was added. The total harmony of the scale was gone.

It is now believed that the frequencies found by Puleo have healing properties. The frequency of 528 Hz supposedly has healing effects on DNA. The frequency seems to have an effect on the water molecules that surround the DNA helix.

Glen Rein of the Quantum Biology Research Lab in New York has performed experiments with in vitro DNA that was exposed to different recordings of music styles. He used a technique to modulate the music into an audio scalar wave. He used two phase opposite sound fields from the same music to self-cancel the waves and create scalar audio waves. In the experiment a CD player, an amplifier and a spiral like self-canceling coil was used. Four styles of music were played to test tubes containing in vitro DNA. The absorption of UV light of the DNA test
tube samples was measured after an hour.

Gregorian chants had caused a 5 to 9.1 % increase in the absorption of UV light due to the unwinding of the DNA helix. Sanskrit chanting caused a similar 5.8% to 8.2% effect. Rock (0-1%) and classical music (0-1.1%) had little or no effect.

Glenn Rein finally concluded from the experiments that the audible sound waves of the Solfeggio scale can cause resonance in DNA and can have healing effects.

The question is who put the frequencies into the Book of Numbers, was it the medieval monks that created the Solfeggio scale and did they deliberately create it because they new of its healing properties? But how were they to know, was it kept in Gnostic circles perhaps as an Atlantean heritage? Or could it be that the monks simple discovered what Puleo had discovered. But then how were they able to tune the scale to the exact frequencies mentioned in the Bible since they had no means to actually measure the exact frequencies? It remains a mystery, but the fact is that musical frequencies are mentioned in the Book of Numbers that have scientifically measurable effects on DNA. It has been suggested that these frequencies have DNA healing properties.

Doesn't matter what the fruit was. They were told not to eat of it and they did. So now we must suffer!

Inca=Chinitial
Please understand that I do understand the Hebrew language although I'm not a scholar. Many of the revelations of Torah come only after prayerful meditation and study of the word.
Are you aware that the Assyrian is the King of Babylon and also represents the Arch enemy of Yehovah. It was the Assyrians who also ruled Egypt and were also the who enslaved the House of Israel. I can prove this to you from the scriptures. Please prayerfully study Ezekial 31. In this chapter you will discover that it was the Assyrian who was in Elohims Garden of Eden and he was described as a lofty tree whose height reached above all the trees in the Garden of Elohim. But He became proud and lifted up by his own beauty and Yehovah Elohim cast him down to the pit.
Remember it was the Assyrian who also seduced the kingdom of Israel and then took her captive into His land.
Israel was the feminine part of Jacob and brought forth only after Jacobs stuggle with the Messenger of Elohim.
Jacob limped after the encounter as a bone had been removed from his side forming Israel. This truth in seed form was in Genesis 2.
Israel is always referred to in the feminine gender whereas Jacob is always masculine. It was Judah who still represented the old Jacob where Israel represented the transformed nature of Jacob. Judah being masculine and the head of the tribes fell after Israel's fall. Eve was first then Adam just as Israel fell first then Judah. Both were driven from the Garden of Elohim (Eretz Israel) and taken into Assyrian/Babylonian captivity where they did both eat the fruit of Babylon.

To those who say the forbidden fruit is knowledge itself:
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WTF? You mean you were created to remain ignorant? If that was so, your Creator did a really poor job - as you seem to pursue knowledge/power at all costs (meaning the Adam/Eve paradigm)!

For myself, I'm along the lines of Thomas' thinking: there was no forbidden fruit (well... other than what we are experiencing right now, hehe )!

Perhaps just another way of looking at the obvious, but I have another parable I'd like to share:

-= The Parable of Conflict =-

There was only bliss. There was only love. There was no pain, misery, fear, doubt, or trouble in any kind. Everyone respected one another as themselves and if there were any miscommunications they were understood for what they were and not despised for what they were not.

Despite it all, there was something missing from life itself. Each individual began experiencing it in different ways but it always equated to the same thing: There is something missing! Since each individual collectively came to the same conclusion, a solution was created instantaneously (and thus, had always existed to begin with):

The Coliseum Arena

An individual could wager an item for an upgrade. Upon the wager a battle would ensue that would involve the participant/wagerer as the Hero and a mirror reflection of themselves, along with the worth of the item they wagered, as their Nemesis.

The rules were simple: The Heros could use all of their items against the Nemeses EXCEPT the item they wagered. The battle was engineered so that it could be won without the wagered item, thus no matter how impossible the Nemesis might seem it was always possible to defeat him.

However... a warning was written upon the entrance to these battlegrounds.

"To all ye who enter here know this: you have nothing to gain and nothing to lose.
But if you do, never wager what you cannot afford to lose."

What did such cryptic words mean? Well, they felt there was something to gain and something to lose (for the time being) and so they would heed the latter advice (for the time being).

And so there were many battles. And so there was much conlfict. And yet... a completeness began to fill the hearts of the participants. Upon victory, they would look at their wagered item in newfound light: it was better! They were 'profiting' even though the former state had been bliss itself! There WAS something to be gained just as there WAS something to be lost! The warning MUST be false, and it appeared to be contradictory anyway. So the participants wagered their most precious of items, something they KNEW they could not afford to lose but did so anyway:

Their Own Souls

Why would they do this? Quite simple logic actually! The more worth of the item they bet, the more pronounce the gain was! IF they wagered their own souls and won... The Gain! The Benefit! It would be beyond all comprehension! It was worth the risk! ... Wasn't it?

Ah, but a simple rule was forgotten amidst the greed: For the duration of the battle they would lose their own souls! They would lose all awareness of the real world outside the Coliseum Arena and all that would be percievable would be the battle. The Battle of All Battles. The Battle for your own Soul.

***

Upon completion for the Battle for your own Soul, they realized the truth and the riddle of the Coliseum Arena:

The only thing which changed was their perspective. Their items remained unchanged.

So were the battles pointless? Yes and no.
Did they gain nothing from them? Yes and no.
Was there any benefit at all from this? Yes and no.

They did not gain anything they did not already have... but they DID gain something they did not have! And that was perspective. They APPRECIATED the items they had now, because they had LOST them! Their items had never improved at all! It was only their perspective of the item that changed.

And so it was.
Perfection existed in perfect equilibrium again (for the time being).

:dubya: :zkk_exanis:

I know the forbidden fruit. It's prunes!

Writer number 99563, you were talking about king of Babylon first so I said the parallel is because Hanging Gardens of Eden were a devil mock up of original Garden of Eden with a single acces to the east and guarded by the cherubim. That's why they also set winged-bull statues all over Babylon, Assyria, Sumeria and in Egypt the sphinx, etc. Your interpretation spins around what is interesting for you, which is Israel. Hence everything will spin about this. Yet Israel as a nation can only be part of the "game" that started in the beginning of times in Eden. So we have to check all the things involved and also used comparative religions as I am doing. Ezekiel 31 is talking about the cedars and the fall of Egypt when Assyria is used to destroy that nation. The words were addressed to pharaoh in first place (verse 2). It's true there are some comparisons with the trees of Eden (verse 9 and 18) and is true Israel was to be like the tree which gave shadow to the world (verse 12). Isaiah 27:6 also says that. That was the plan. Yet the fruits were others so even Moses foretold God will provoke Israel with jealousy for nations not chosen in first place (Deuteronomy 32:21). If you don't believe Moses or Christ, you can always ask Isaiah 65:1, 2, 8, 15, 16 or Hoseah 1:9.
Yet all this thing didn't start in Israel centuries later on. Even the name "fruit" in Hebrew is OPIR (inverted homophonous of Piro/Peru/Piroa), the land of gold in real Eden in beginning of times, a land with gold of good quality. Of course, a Jew who rejects Christ maybe ignores even him admitted the kingdom of God was to be removed from Jews and give it to other "nation" producing real fruits/Opir. Interesting that Eden's name was Hevila's brother, check Genesis 2:10,11; 10:29. The text passed with several hands and attributes to ancient times, the land of Eden with names of the offspring after Deluge!
If Israel was compare like a woman and God her Husband is because there are many laws involved in that. Yet Israel was considered adulterous woman or a whore when they dissobeyed. In spite of these revelations, that was not the origin. The origin was in Eden so all comparisions or parallels are a consequence of that reality. To focus in the parallel is watching the refelction on the mirror and not reality. Reality started in interdimensional realms not in carnal and dense material Israel. If that would be the case, it would be as ridiculous as saying Menorah chandellier is the real and original tree of knowledge! In any case it could be a representation of something deeper. As I said and repeat, the truths are like Mayan temples or Russian dolls, within others and within others and within others....
For example we can talk about lineage TREE I was talking about when names of parents and children are switched in Seth side or Cain and some names are hidden in one side of genealogy and they switch some letters/numbers all to hide the mother side of the thing. I can discuss this with detail but I will grow fatigue, shall I say?
So, regarding Israel tree and fruit I can say God provokes jealousy with fruits who are not natural and this started from the very beginning before Israel ever existed. It's like saying God uses people who are descents from Ham just to tease the offspring of Shem.
Of course the rejection is because Israel (among other things) rejected God's proper name and corrupting the name because of worshipping Egyptian & Samaritan gods like Yao and Yahreah, moon gods: Genesis 37:9; Jeremiah 3:21; 23:27; 2 Kings 23:5; Isaiah 63:19; 64:6; 65:1,2 I hope you read the texts as I read the ones you told me to read... and so even in those Eden days we see in Enosh times the people were invoking (perhaps in magic) God's name, Genesis 4:26. In that sense the lineage themselves are also behaving like a couple of snakes,

.... one climbing up

...... and the other one climbing down.

Ophir/Opir/Ofir means not only gold but also precious stones like jewels and "fruitful region". I don't know if Hebrew characters will appear here, I'll try:
אוֹפִיר Ofir, Ophir. "Fruitful region," possibly originally a place name.

Nop! It didn't

You also said king of Assyria was arch-enemy of Yehova. Perhaps I can teach one thing or two about that name Yehova you're talking about which I also discussed with linguist Michael Heiser, specialist in Biblical Hebrew, Sumerian, Egyptian, etc. Since in order to get his Ph.D he was to be observed and granted the degree by Jews who know the language and the same people who even hide vowels even in a simple TITLE translated to PAGAN languages, like "g*d"...., it's obvious I wasn't naïve he would continue to chat with me by e-mail at certain point of the conversation. He tried so but failed and drop the case. So, basically I wrote the same thing I did in an open letter to Jew Steven Spielberg. Wanna read? Be my guest and remember that in Genesis near Eden's account we see in Enoch/Enok/Henoc times people were using God's name (probably in magic, Genesis 4:26). Of course, people who are not curious enough about language won't say why in the same books we read Hanuka or Chanukah knowing H could be mute as in "while, meanwhile, whereas, weather" or with the sound like in "head, hetero, holy" which is different sound from CH like Q or K as in school, chemistry, or like simple CH as in cheese, cheek, achieve would create a chaos that shouldn't be applied in first place! People who ignore why ISrael and ISaiah have the sound of "i" as in InterestIng or sit, lick... while the name ISis sounds like Ay-sees as in "wine, fine, mine" with a letter that in English is called "Ay" and not EE. Click here:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

What I wrote is extended but will give teach you the secret of God's name according to Jews themselves who wre trying to hide these things and you will learn how much Egypt is linked with Israel even in worshipping God and why the characteristics of those ancient temples was to enhance the "opening" of the eyes specially in darkness which is a complete circle to the theme we're discussing here "what was the fruit about". Do better, check each and every link, print the whole thing and give it to the rabbies in your closest sinagogue. And, please, watch their eyes and reaction. They won't like it, I guarantee.

now i dunno.

Anal.