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didn't he have the same father?
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No. The father of the Lie, is satan. Thats not Jesus's father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44491911


Deuteronomy 14:1 “Ye are the children of the Lord your God "

if the Lord is ykvk than jews and jesus have the same father.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


I appreciate that you defend Jews, but I am totally offended that you feel you must offend Christians while doing it...They are not the enemy.

Leftists/Marxists, be they Jews or other, and Muzz are our greatest threat...
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I don't want to hurt Christian feelings, but when im confronted with Christian teachings to show that jews are evil, I am obliged to counter these arguments.
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Sure jews excel at everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086


Nonsense. That is a misconception promoted by themselves. If they can control the information available to you, they can control what you believe. A tiny percentage of the worlds technological advancements originate with jews. They place themselves in positions to steal.
But without a clear moral compass to guide them, they also excel at wickedness; the prophets of old, starting with Moses, give testimony to that. This hasnt magically changed since the razing of the second temple, it's the same thing it ever was.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Wickedness is the only thing they actually excell at.

A good jew might be superior to even the best gentile,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Pleas go fuck yourself you stupid brainwashed idiot.
but a morally rotten jew is also worse than the worst gentile, a bad jew can cause infinitely more damage to society than an average bad gentile could.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

In over a half a century of life, I have yet to encounter a 'good jew'. You obviously have bought into the propaganda that jews are better than non jews.
And there is plenty of moral relativism and racist supremacy in the talmud, and to deny this when it is this obvious today, makes it even worse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Taken at face value literally, the Talmud is a blueprint and instruction manual for criminally predating on the world. It goes beyond racial supremacy and enters the realm of outlining a conspiracy against humanity. Anyone living by it should be separated from society permanently, they are dangerous and can never be cured.
 Quoting: Interdimensional warrior 50102878


Even the Jew York Times admitted earlier this year that Jews are admitted to top universities out of proportion to their achievement. This is because the admissions are controlled by Jews, too, so many Jews are accepted who are less exceptional than some white gentiles who were rejected.
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Khazarian (Fake) Jews have stealthily taken over all the levers of power and influence in the USA and Europe.

They are invariably vile, Communistic Bolsheviks and vicious savages where the Gentile is concerned.

Many of them are also homosexual and paedophilic, especially the Rabbis.

It's time for a mass expulsion. History has provided many precedents for this, and it needs to be done yet again!

Clean up in Aisle 6!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50119913


They're the same Jews. Even if they are partly Khazars (which is up for debate) they still act exactly like the Jews described by Romans or Greeks or Muslims or Spaniards or whoever they have been around. The same complaints were made against other types of Jews than the Ashkenazi, who are the descendants of the Khazars according to the Khazar hypothesis. Sephardim have been describe in the exact same ways.

The problem is not "fake Jews," it is Jews. Period. All Jews who are around today are "fake Jews" according to the Bible. Any "real Jews" became disciples of Christ. Those who denied Him were the synagogue of Satan and those are the people who still call themselves Jews today.
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you seem to think I am a muslim lover, this is hardly the case.

if I remember correctly you said, that Christians always helped and protected the jews.
I only burst your bubble by reminding you that for most history it was Christianity who persecuted us, while the muslims were somewhat friendly and coexisted with us.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


Oh good heavens where did I say that Christians have always protected Jews? Obviously history would prove me wrong, but that is in the past and there is a new spirit of understanding and yes if we let it happen affection for each other. What I have said is that there has been misunderstanding and hatred emanating from both sides. We have far more in common with Christians then not, and we should be joined together with the Christians before we both disappear. Stop living in the past leave the Muslim there not us and not Christians...

Muslims HAVE NEVER treated us as equals NEVER!!! I don't know where the hell you got that fairytale from but that is all it is...A Fairytale.
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[link to www.dailystormer.com]

Jews and Muslims have a long history of working together when they are fighting Europeans.
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There were certain times in history when the Jew could live in relative peace but that would last for as long as the political winds did not change. Jews were never secure with rights that the muzz took for granted in muzz lands.

Any change in the political environment often meant persecution, torture and death of the jews, and yes Christians too. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their muslim neighbors and peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews and Christians.
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You forget to mention why these political winds changed. Of course, you believe that the Jew can do no wrong, so it was obviously everyone's fault but the Jews that they were constantly being kicked out of every country they chose to infest.

Read this: [link to www.destroyzionism.com]

[link to www.destroyzionism.com]

[link to www.destroyzionism.com]

Every pogrom that you guys remember resulting from some vague irrational hatred was in actuality a reprisal for crimes repeatedly committed by Jews. But because it is against the nature of the psychopathic Jew to ever admit fault, these were simply considered persecution because everyone hated the holy Jews for no reason whatsoever.
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im back, ready to answer more questions.
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If you see Zionists as evil, and their repatriation of Israel as basically Jewish blasphemy, how can you justify any Jews living in Israel today?

For what it's worth, I see the undoing of the Diaspora as divinely orchestrated, and a fulfillment of prophecy thanks to the Yeshua you don't recognize as Meshiach.

But that's just me.
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what does Zionism, an jews living of in Israel has to do with eachother?

there was a constant jewish presence in Israel all throughout the diaspora.

orthodox jews, who know the Zionist regime as evil, still see the coming of jews to Israel as divinely orchestrated.

and heres why, the elite created the holocaust to scare jews to the newly created Zionist state (which was closed to them, until the holocaust ended [wanted to make sure they killed as many jews as they could])
at the same time, radical Islamic movements started harassing jews in the middle east which up until then, they lived in coexistence and harmony.

for a jew living in those times Israel was the only option for survival, they saw it as a sign from G-d telling them to move to Israel.

it is foretold in the bible, that the jews would be in Israel prior to gog and magog, and arrival of moshiach.
and rabbis see the Zionist state as the fulfillment of that prophecy.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


You're the most dishonest piece of trash around. I don't hold it against you because you are a Jew, and deep down in their psychopathic minds Jews truly believe that they can do no wrong. But you are either ignorant of what Zionism is or you are being purposely deceitful (I believe the latter).

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

What is your definition of Zionism, if not Jews living in a Jewish state in Israel (Palestine)?
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there is true biblical Zionism which all jews are... its the love to Israel, patriotism really.

and then there is the Zionism in Israel, which is a masonic invention and is holding the jews hostage.
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Every pogrom that you guys remember resulting from some vague irrational hatred was in actuality a reprisal for crimes repeatedly committed by Jews. But because it is against the nature of the psychopathic Jew to ever admit fault, these were simply considered persecution because everyone hated the holy Jews for no reason whatsoever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50120150


I have never said that Jews can do no wrong...I think secular jews do a lot of things WRONG.

What I am saying is that jews have always been small in numbers in every country and that makes for easy targets. For instance, when a country suffered a drought and crops failed people looked for a scapegoat, a reason for perceived divine wrath, Jews being the weakest were the easiest to blame. Do you think Jews were to blame?

I think after WWII when Jews began to say "never again," it became more than an expression. I think many took it to heart working hard to put themselves in positions of power around the world. The bad part is their power is also combined with a deadly strain of Marxism which can not be good for anyone.

I can not see this ending well.

Edit: If you examine history you will see that in muzz countries Christians suffered the same changes of fortune as the jews. Were they also to blame, or easy targets of the majority muzz?

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No. The father of the Lie, is satan. Thats not Jesus's father.
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Deuteronomy 14:1 “Ye are the children of the Lord your God "

if the Lord is ykvk than jews and jesus have the same father.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10


I appreciate that you defend Jews, but I am totally offended that you feel you must offend Christians while doing it...They are not the enemy.

Leftists/Marxists, be they Jews or other, and Muzz are our greatest threat...
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I don't want to hurt Christian feelings, but when im confronted with Christian teachings to show that jews are evil, I am obliged to counter these arguments.
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"I don't want to hurt Christian feelings"

Then stop doing it...you can make your case without gratuitous insults to our Christian cousins.
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If you read the old testament it becomes clear that actual physical zionism is the only worldly mission of the tribe.
One cannot separate zionism from the faith, it is its only purpose and goal according to the old testament.
There is not any fact to contradict the clear and present purpose of the old testament which is to create a tribal state until none exist to oppose it.
Read it yourself if you want.
Not that liars will not lie about it and claim its anything else but...
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They're the same Jews. Even if they are partly Khazars (which is up for debate) they still act exactly like the Jews described by Romans or Greeks or Muslims or Spaniards or whoever they have been around. The same complaints were made against other types of Jews than the Ashkenazi, who are the descendants of the Khazars according to the Khazar hypothesis. Sephardim have been describe in the exact same ways.

The problem is not "fake Jews," it is Jews. Period. All Jews who are around today are "fake Jews" according to the Bible. Any "real Jews" became disciples of Christ. Those who denied Him were the synagogue of Satan and those are the people who still call themselves Jews today.



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Sure jews excel at everything.
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Nonsense. That is a misconception promoted by themselves. If they can control the information available to you, they can control what you believe. A tiny percentage of the worlds technological advancements originate with jews. They place themselves in positions to steal.
But without a clear moral compass to guide them, they also excel at wickedness; the prophets of old, starting with Moses, give testimony to that. This hasnt magically changed since the razing of the second temple, it's the same thing it ever was.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Wickedness is the only thing they actually excell at.

A good jew might be superior to even the best gentile,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Pleas go fuck yourself you stupid brainwashed idiot.
but a morally rotten jew is also worse than the worst gentile, a bad jew can cause infinitely more damage to society than an average bad gentile could.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

In over a half a century of life, I have yet to encounter a 'good jew'. You obviously have bought into the propaganda that jews are better than non jews.
And there is plenty of moral relativism and racist supremacy in the talmud, and to deny this when it is this obvious today, makes it even worse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50059086

Taken at face value literally, the Talmud is a blueprint and instruction manual for criminally predating on the world. It goes beyond racial supremacy and enters the realm of outlining a conspiracy against humanity. Anyone living by it should be separated from society permanently, they are dangerous and can never be cured.
 Quoting: Interdimensional warrior 50102878


Even the Jew York Times admitted earlier this year that Jews are admitted to top universities out of proportion to their achievement. This is because the admissions are controlled by Jews, too, so many Jews are accepted who are less exceptional than some white gentiles who were rejected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49998469


Khazarian (Fake) Jews have stealthily taken over all the levers of power and influence in the USA and Europe.

They are invariably vile, Communistic Bolsheviks and vicious savages where the Gentile is concerned.

Many of them are also homosexual and paedophilic, especially the Rabbis.

It's time for a mass expulsion. History has provided many precedents for this, and it needs to be done yet again!

Clean up in Aisle 6!
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luckily I have the G-d of Israel to protect me.
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How does that work when you reject Jesus as Savior but still need atonement of sins? The OT specifically, mostly in the first five books, says that God wants different animal sacrifices to cover over your sins.

AFAIK, God does not say anywhere in the OT that if there is not temple, that all the Jews are off the hook. If I'm wrong and it does, show me that verse.

The Jews don't even have a temple to make atonement in.

So my suggestion for Jews is to accept the Sacrifice Lamb as Savior and Lord in your hearts/lives. You would do this as a prayer with words of such affect.
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To support this claim that atonement can only be achieved through the shedding of blood, missionaries cite a passage in the Torah which reads:


“This is because the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” (Leviticus 17:11)


Christians quote Leviticus 17:11 to prove that blood-sacrifice alone atones for sin

With this verse in hand, Christians conclude that only the blood of the Cross can cover man’s sins, and provide any hope of being forgiven by God for his sins.

The lecture “Sin and Atonement” and its corresponding chapter4 in the study guide responds to the above missionary argument in a variety of ways. The following is a brief overview of six crucial points elucidated in the presentation “Sin and Atonement.”



Overview of the Presentation “Sin and Atonement”



Refutation I
There are three methods of atonement in the Bible - Blood Sacrifice is the weakest form of atonement

Contrary to the missionary claim that blood-sacrifice is the only method of atonement in the Bible, there are three methods of atonement clearly defined in the Jewish Scriptures: The sin sacrifice,5 repentance6 and charity.7 Moreover, the חַטָאת קָרבָּן (Korban chatat), the sin sacrifice, did not atone for all types of sin, but rather, only for man’s most insignificant iniquity: unintentional sins.8 The sin sacrifice was inadequate to atone for transgressions committed intentionally. The rebellious sinner was barred from the Sanctuary, and had to bear his own iniquity because of his deliberate intent to sin against God. The Torah declares this fundamental principle in the following manner:




“If a person sins unintentionally, then he shall offer a one year old female goat for a sin offering. And the priest shall make atonement before the Lord for the person who goes astray when he sins unintentionally, making atonement for him that he may be forgiven... But the person who does anything defiantly, whether he is native or an alien, that one is blaspheming the Lord; and that person shall be cut off from among his people. Because he has despised the word of the Lord and has broken His commandment, that person shall be completely cut off; his guilt shall be on him.” (Numbers 15:27-31)


Refutation II
Leviticus 17:11 does not suggest that atonement can only be achieved through the shedding of blood; rather, it explains the prohibition against consuming blood

Contrary to the Christian claim that Leviticus 17:11 proves that man can atone for his iniquity only through the shedding of blood, this verse explains only the prohibition of eating blood outlined in the previous verse. Missionaries have conveniently severed this verse from its original context, effectively concealing and distorting its message.

In the immediate context of Leviticus 17:11, we find that the Torah is speaking of the prohibition of eating blood, not the subject of sin and atonement. The Torah discusses blood atonement in this verse only as a byproduct of its central theme. This crucial message is lost when missionaries quote Leviticus 17:11 alone, without the surrounding texts as its proper background. Leviticus 17:11 begins with the conjunctive Hebrew word כִּי (kee), meaning “This is because...” Whenever a verse begins with this conjunction, it is explaining what has just been related in the previous verse. The previous verse reads,


“And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people.” (Leviticus 17:10)

Leviticus 17:11 then continues this message and expounds,


“This is because the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.”

Thus, Leviticus 17:11 explains Leviticus 17:10 by revealing that consuming blood is forbidden because it may only be used in the act of sprinkling of an animal’s blood on the altar for an atonement. It is a grievous sin to use it for any other purpose.9

Leviticus 17:10-11 is therefore outlining two fundamental principles about blood:


1) you may not eat it

2) among all the various rituals associated with the sin sacrifice, which include the laying of the hands on the animal, slaughtering, collecting, carrying, sprinkling, placing of the animal on the altar, it is only the rituals directly associated with blood that brings about the atonement. It is therefore forbidden to eat blood.

This verse does not state or imply that one cannot have atonement for sin without a blood sacrifice. Such a message would contradict all of the Jewish Scriptures which clearly highlight two other methods of atonement more efficacious and pleasing to God than a blood sacrifice: heartfelt repentance and charity.10

Although the statement “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins” is found nowhere in the Jewish Scriptures, it does appear in the Christian Scriptures. The author of the Book of Hebrews misquotes Leviticus 17:11 when he states:


“Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.” (Hebrews 9:22)

Although this quote in Hebrews 9:22 is always cross referenced in a Christian study Bible with Leviticus 17:11, it is a deliberate misquote of the original passage in the Torah.

Furthermore, if missionaries seek to hold up Leviticus 17:11 to bolster their position that blood sacrifices are indispensable for procuring an atonement, they must use all of the verse, and not dispense with any part of it. Leviticus 17:11 specifically says that the blood of the sacrifice must be placed “upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” That is to say, Leviticus 17:11 explicitly declares that blood can effect atonement only if it is placed on the altar. Jesus’ blood, however, was never placed on the altar. If the Church is going to take the “blood” part of the verse literally, they must also take the “altar” part literally as well. Jesus’ blood was never sprinkled on the altar, and therefore his death could not provide atonement for anyone.

Most importantly, the Torah repeatedly states that it is strictly forbidden to offer human sacrifices under any circumstances. There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish Scriptures where the practice of human sacrifice is condoned. The Torah condemns this grotesque ritual as an abomination. Throughout the Book of Leviticus, only distinct species of animals are permitted for use in blood sacrifices.


Refutation III
The prophets openly pronounced that repentance and charity are more favorable to God than a blood sacrifice

Throughout the Jewish Scriptures, the prophets declared that repentance and charity are more pleasing to God for atonement than a blood sacrifice. They repeatedly warned the Jewish people not to rely on blood offerings. Other methods of atonement were more efficacious and would even replace animal sacrifices. For example, King David cries out to God:


“Rescue me from blood-guilt, O God, God of my salvation. 17My Lord, open my lips, that my mouth may declare Your praise. 18For You desire no offering, else I would give it, a burnt offering You do not favor. 19The offerings of God are a broken spirit, a heart broken and crushed O God, that You will not despise. (Psalm 51:16-19)

King David declares:


“Sacrifice and burnt offering You have not desired; but my ears You have opened; burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.” (Psalm 40:7 – 40:6 in a Christian Bible)

These words of the Bible are not consistent with the Christian doctrine that sin can only be expiated through the shedding of blood. Because the Psalmist’s words were deeply offensive to the early Church, the author of the Book of Hebrews altered Psalm 40:7 to read instead:


“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you had no pleasure.” (Hebrews 10:5-6)

Notice how King David’s original words, “but my ears You have opened” have been removed entirely in the “quote” in the Book of Hebrews. Instead, this New Testament author replaced this expunged clause with the words “But a body you have prepared for Me.” This is a startling alteration of the Jewish Scriptures.

The notion that the sacrificial system is central to faith and atonement was condemned as heretical by the contemporary prophets Hosea and Micah.


For I desire goodness, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt-offerings.” (Hosea 6:6)

“With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the High God? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? 7Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, Ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8He has shown you, O man, what is good, what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:6-8)

In his Book of Proverbs, King Solomon explicitly states that giving charity is a more effective method to atone for sin than a sacrifice:


Riches will not avail on the day of wrath, but charity will save from death. (Proverbs 11:4)

With loving-kindness and truth will iniquity be expiated, and through fear of the Lord one turns away from evil. (Proverbs 16:6)

Performing charity and justice is preferred by God to a sacrifice. (Proverbs 21:3)

During the Babylonian exile, following the destruction of Solomon’s Temple, Daniel declared that charity atones for sin:


“Nevertheless, O king, let my advice be agreeable to you. Redeem your error with charity, and your sin through kindness to the poor, so that there will be an extension to your tranquility.” (Daniel 4:24)


Refutation IV
Hosea foretold that the Jewish people would be without a sacrificial system, and instructed us to replace animal offerings with prayer

In Hosea 3:4-5, the prophet foretold that the Nation of Israel would not have a sacrificial system during the last segment of Jewish history until the messianic age.


“For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.” (Hosea 3:4-5)

In the words of the Bible, this period of time would last for many days. Yet, contrary to the Church’s claim that the crucifixion of Jesus serves as a sin sacrifice today, the words of Hosea were meticulously fulfilled.

Given the magnitude of this remarkable prophecy, Hosea was compelled to reveal how ecclesiastical temple functions would be replaced. In essence, if the prophet is testifying that the nation of Israel will indeed be without a sacrificial system during their long exile until the messianic age, what are we to use instead? How are the Jewish people to worship without blood sacrifices during their bitter exile? What about all the animal sacrifices prescribed in the Book of Leviticus? Can the Jewish people get along without animal offerings? Can the sacrificial system be replaced in exile? Missionaries claim they cannot. The Bible disagrees.

For this reason, the oracle in Hosea 14:2-3 is crucial. In these two verses, the prophet reveals to his beloved nation how they are to replace the sacrificial system during their protracted diaspora. Hosea declares that the Almighty wants us to “render for bulls the offering of our lips.” Prayer is to replace the sacrificial system.


Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, For we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.” (Hosea 14:2-3)

The Jewish people were never instructed to worship a crucified messiah or demigod.11 Nor does Scripture ever tell us that an innocent man can die as an atonement for the sins of the wicked.12 Such a message is utterly antithetical to the teachings of the Jewish Scriptures. Rather, it is the lips of the sinner that is transformed into bulls of the sin offerings.


Refutation V
Ezekiel condemns the doctrine of vicarious atonement

The Book of Ezekiel forever condemned Christendom’s central doctrine of vicarious atonement, and slammed the notion that an innocent human being can die for the sins of the wicked.

Throughout his famed 18th chapter, Ezekiel warned his people that this erroneous teaching, i.e. that a righteous man could die for another man’s sins was contrary to the will of God. The way for the sinful man to come right by God is to turn away from his rebellious ways and repent. Only the sacred path of the penitent is assured complete forgiveness. Accordingly, throughout Ezekiel’s uplifting sermon on the forgiveness of sin, blood sacrifices are never mentioned.


The word of the Lord came to me, saying: “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel, saying: ‘The fathers eat sour grapes, and the sons’ teeth are set on edge?’ As I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. For every living soul belongs to Me, the father as well as the son – they are Mine. Which ever soul sins, it shall die... Yet you ask: Why did the son not bear the sin of the father? But the son, justice and righteousness did he do, all My decrees did he safeguard and perform them. He shall surely live. The soul that sins, it shall die! The son shall not bear for the sin of the father, nor the father bear for the sin of the son. The righteousness of the righteous person shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked person shall be upon him. As for the wicked man, if he should turn away from all his sins which he did, and safeguard all My decrees, and do justice and righteousness; he shall surely live. He will not die. All his transgressions which he committed will not be remembered against him. For the righteousness which he did, he shall live. Do I desire at all the death of the wicked man – the words of my Lord, God – is it not rather his return from his ways, that he might live.” (Ezekiel 18:1-4, 19-23)


Refutation VI
If Jesus was the final sacrifice, why will the sacrificial system be restored in the messianic age?

Finally, the New Testament emphatically claims that the animal sacrificial system never could atone for sin in any permanent way.13 The only purpose of the animal sacrificial system, the Book of Hebrews claims, was a foreshadowing Jesus’ death on the cross.14

The New Testament, therefore, repeatedly declares that Jesus was the final sacrifice for all time, and there would no longer be any future need for the return of the animal sacrificial system. In his most influential epistle, Paul states,


The death he died, he died to sin once for all... (Romans 6:10)

Paul’s claim is that Jesus’ death was once for all – in that a sacrifice for sin would never be repeated. The Greek adverb ἐφάπαξ (ephapax) in Romans 6:10 denotes “once only,” meaning that it will never be done again.


By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Hebrews 10:10)

Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. (Hebrews 10:18)

This doctrine, however, completely contradicts the words of the prophets who clearly foretold that the animal sacrificial system would return in the messianic age.

In essence, if Jesus was the final sacrifice "once and for all," as Paul vehemently argues, and the animal sacrificial system merely was a temporary "foreshadowing" of Calvary (Hebrews 9-10), why will animal sacrifices be fully restored in the messianic era?15

Moreover, why would the messiah – named “The Prince” seventeen times at the end of the Book of Ezekiel – bring a sin sacrifice on behalf of himself and the nation!


On that day the Prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. (Ezekiel 45:22)

According to Christian teachings it would be preposterous for Jesus to bring a sin offering for his own iniquity.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10

Thank you for your reply. In your reply, you go off about blood and not eating/drinking it from animals. But that doesn't really pertain to atonement, except for the verse that says:
"This is because the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.”

So then how can you claim atonement without the shedding of blood?

If blood is the weakest form of atonement, then why did the Jews offer sacrifices until the Temple was destroyed? Why didn't they just realize: "Hey, blood is the weakest form of atonement, so we can just stop all this killing of animals and sacrificial rites. We'll just have good hearts- that will be enough for God. And the temple alter will just be a decoration instead"?

Your 100 line response, while lengthy, is just a copout, as I see it. You Jews have no true atonement for your sins without the shedding of blood, per the OT.

Your response:
"Jesus’ blood, however, was never placed on the altar. If the Church is going to take the “blood” part of the verse literally, they must also take the “altar” part literally as well. Jesus’ blood was never sprinkled on the altar, and therefore his death could not provide atonement for anyone."

Jesus was akin to the goat that was sacrificed outside the camp:
Numbers 19:2-3 states
they bring you a red heifer without blemish, in which there is no defect and on which a yoke has never come. 3 You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, that he may take it outside the camp, and it shall be slaughtered before him;

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The author of the Book of Hebrews make an interesting analogy between the Red Heifer and Y’shua.

Hebrews 13:9-13 - “We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned outside the gate. Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside, the gate. Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.” [link to www.biblesearchers.com]

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Your response:
Most importantly, the Torah repeatedly states that it is strictly forbidden to offer human sacrifices under any circumstances. There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish Scriptures where the practice of human sacrifice is condoned. The Torah condemns this grotesque ritual as an abomination. Throughout the Book of Leviticus, only distinct species of animals are permitted for use in blood sacrifices.
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Well, that's the Torah. And the question wasn't really much how Christians achieve atonement, but how Jews do.

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Your response:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you had no pleasure.” (Hebrews 10:5-6)
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Interesting that you quote Hebrews. Yes, "the body" would be Jesus. In Jewish Judaic terms: "there simply is no Torah-based Judaism apart from the Holy Temple." [link to www.hebrew4christians.com]

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Your response:
In his Book of Proverbs, King Solomon explicitly states that giving charity is a more effective method to atone for sin than a sacrifice:
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That just goes back to what I said before. If all that was needed was good intentions, then why didn't the High Priests, etc. just stop all those killings/sacrifices of animals and just declare that all that is needed is for Jews to have pure hearts.

I'll tell you why. Because people's good intentions are not, in themselves that good. People need a purifier, something cleaner then them to clean their dirty hearts.

I can't find the scripture right now, but it's in the NT somewhere. If I find it, I'll let you know. You see the principle though, I'm sure.

At any rate, read the book of Hebrews. It exhaustively outlines how Jesus is the final sacrifice, for a better covenant- to bring us to a better position than the law would have.
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Every pogrom that you guys remember resulting from some vague irrational hatred was in actuality a reprisal for crimes repeatedly committed by Jews. But because it is against the nature of the psychopathic Jew to ever admit fault, these were simply considered persecution because everyone hated the holy Jews for no reason whatsoever.
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I have never said that Jews can do no wrong...I think secular jews do a lot of things WRONG.

What I am saying is that jews have always been small in numbers in every country and that makes for easy targets. For instance, when a country suffered a drought and crops failed people looked for a scapegoat, a reason for perceived divine wrath, Jews being the weakest were the easiest to blame. Do you think Jews were to blame?

I think after WWII when Jews began to say "never again," it became more than an expression. I think many took it to heart working hard to put themselves in positions of power around the world. The bad part is their power is also combined with a deadly strain of Marxism which can not be good for anyone.

I can not see this ending well.

Edit: If you examine history you will see that in muzz countries Christians suffered the same changes of fortune as the jews. Were they also to blame, or easy targets of the majority muzz?
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You are naive when it comes to Jewry, and obviously a bit biased. They have done the same things throughout history. Did you read the articles I posted on Poland? Jews were getting positions of power there and treating every non Jew like crap (as arendars and tax collectors) just as they did in Weimar Germany, just as they did in Rome, just as they did in Spain, just as they did in Russia.

Their entire culture and being is deformed and toxic. They are the giant parasite on the world tree. I would not mind it if they had the courtesy to keep in their own lands and be scumbags, but all throughout history they have felt they had the right to squat in the nations of others (typically European nations). Your people are an existential threat to my people, so you must be removed.
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It's probably wrong to lump everyone in a certain race together to hate them, just because of the words and actions of a few.

There are Jews who hate what elitist Jews do to different countries.
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It's probably wrong to lump everyone in a certain race together to hate them, just because of the words and actions of a few.

There are Jews who hate what elitist Jews do to different countries.
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It's not the words and action of a few. Every successful Jewish organization, all of which are funded by normal everyday Jews, is aimed at globalism, multiculturalism, feminism, homosexuality, communism, capitalism, etc.

With Jews, the ones who hate what the elite Jews do are the very tiny minority. The vast majority are in line with the ones you call elites. This is why we cannot try to discriminate between good Jews and bad Jews, we must just evict them all. They are an existential threat to our nations, and they cannot be allowed to live among us.

It is not about hate, either. There is no reason for hate when you understand the problem. It is in their nature to do the things they do, just as it is in a flea's nature to infest and parasite off the host. You do not have to hate fleas or have any malicious feelings towards them at all, but it is best to remove them because you know they are causing you harm.
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It's probably wrong to lump everyone in a certain race together to hate them, just because of the words and actions of a few.

There are Jews who hate what elitist Jews do to different countries.
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It's not the words and action of a few. Every successful Jewish organization, all of which are funded by normal everyday Jews, is aimed at globalism, multiculturalism, feminism, homosexuality, communism, capitalism, etc.

With Jews, the ones who hate what the elite Jews do are the very tiny minority. The vast majority are in line with the ones you call elites. This is why we cannot try to discriminate between good Jews and bad Jews, we must just evict them all. They are an existential threat to our nations, and they cannot be allowed to live among us.

It is not about hate, either. There is no reason for hate when you understand the problem. It is in their nature to do the things they do, just as it is in a flea's nature to infest and parasite off the host. You do not have to hate fleas or have any malicious feelings towards them at all, but it is best to remove them because you know they are causing you harm.
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you are confused, all these things which you blame on the jews, are not the transgressions of the jews.

point your finger to the church and its forefathers the emperors, the globalism started with them.
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I'm not talking to you, Dreamily Resonant. You have shown yourself to be arguing in bad faith.
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It's not the words and action of a few. Every successful Jewish organization, all of which are funded by normal everyday Jews, is aimed at globalism, multiculturalism, feminism, homosexuality, communism, capitalism, etc.

With Jews, the ones who hate what the elite Jews do are the very tiny minority. The vast majority are in line with the ones you call elites. This is why we cannot try to discriminate between good Jews and bad Jews, we must just evict them all. They are an existential threat to our nations, and they cannot be allowed to live among us.

It is not about hate, either. There is no reason for hate when you understand the problem. It is in their nature to do the things they do, just as it is in a flea's nature to infest and parasite off the host. You do not have to hate fleas or have any malicious feelings towards them at all, but it is best to remove them because you know they are causing you harm.
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How do you know the term Jews was even supposed to be used to define anybody from about 70AD and the scattering of De:4?

Scripture has them acting like Saul until the Luke:21:24 fulfillment and at that time people ceased to be born on that land.

The time of the Gentiles lasts until the 7th trump so the money-changer type of Jews will still have a price to pay to God for the same events that brought Neb as the beginning of punishment, that is not over until the time Christ comes to resurrect the whole House.

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you are confused, all these things which you blame on the jews, are not the transgressions of the jews.

point your finger to the church and its forefathers the emperors, the globalism started with them.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10

No doubt the Church has bloody hands and she gets punished for it, so does Israel, being Satan's harlot and then being killed by Satan is not the most pleasant role you could have in the last few years.

Re:18:7:
How much she hath glorified herself,
and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart,
I sit a queen,
and am no widow,
and shall see no sorrow.

La:1:1:
How doth the city sit solitary,
that was full of people!
how is she become as a widow!
she that was great among the nations,
and princess among the provinces,
how is she become tributary!

Re:17:3-4:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Re:17:16:
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,
these shall hate the whore,
and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh,
and burn her with fire.

Da:11:6:
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement:
but she shall not retain the power of the arm;
neither shall he stand,
nor his arm:
but she shall be given up,
and they that brought her,
and he that begat her,
and he that strengthened her in these times.
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[link to www.dailystormer.com]

Here's an article about Roman emperor Claudius complaining that Jews were trying to open the flood gates of immigration. This was in the first century. Jews have been doing the same things forever.
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[link to www.dailystormer.com]

Here's an article about Roman emperor Claudius complaining that Jews were trying to open the flood gates of immigration. This was in the first century. Jews have been doing the same things forever.
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Why would Jews want mass immigration? whats the goal?
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[link to www.dailystormer.com]

Here's an article about Roman emperor Claudius complaining that Jews were trying to open the flood gates of immigration. This was in the first century. Jews have been doing the same things forever.
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Why would Jews want mass immigration? whats the goal?
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It provides them cover. They feel that if there are other minority groups who are more openly criminal, like blacks or Arabs, then the Jew crimes will go unnoticed or ignored. It is also just a way for them to destroy their enemies (their enemies are the native inhabitants of the nation that they have chosen to invade).
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[link to www.dailystormer.com]

Here's an article about Roman emperor Claudius complaining that Jews were trying to open the flood gates of immigration. This was in the first century. Jews have been doing the same things forever.
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Why would Jews want mass immigration? whats the goal?
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It provides them cover. They feel that if there are other minority groups who are more openly criminal, like blacks or Arabs, then the Jew crimes will go unnoticed or ignored. It is also just a way for them to destroy their enemies (their enemies are the native inhabitants of the nation that they have chosen to invade).
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Seems nonsense to me
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Well, it is happening now and it has happened many times before. You can deny it, but it is true. They may not even be doing it intentionally. It seems more likely that it is just part of their nature. You can look up Kevin MacDonald if you want more info on it.
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Why would Jews want mass immigration? whats the goal?
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Israel can't even attract the affluent Jews of the world today, God wouldn't have that sort of reflectance if it was His program. Israel even signed on with UN 273 that indicated she would 'play fair'. What century is that supposed to start in? The "I don't have to do anything you say, but you have to do everything I say.' is outdated. It pays to be at the front of the one for changes that are positive. Being the last makes you a radical and a hardliner.
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you are confused, all these things which you blame on the jews, are not the transgressions of the jews.

point your finger to the church and its forefathers the emperors, the globalism started with them.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10

No doubt the Church has bloody hands and she gets punished for it, so does Israel, being Satan's harlot and then being killed by Satan is not the most pleasant role you could have in the last few years.

Re:18:7:
How much she hath glorified herself,
and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart,
I sit a queen,
and am no widow,
and shall see no sorrow.

La:1:1:
How doth the city sit solitary,
that was full of people!
how is she become as a widow!
she that was great among the nations,
and princess among the provinces,
how is she become tributary!

Re:17:3-4:
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Re:17:16:
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,
these shall hate the whore,
and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh,
and burn her with fire.

Da:11:6:
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement:
but she shall not retain the power of the arm;
neither shall he stand,
nor his arm:
but she shall be given up,
and they that brought her,
and he that begat her,
and he that strengthened her in these times.
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stop with this stupid nonsense already. the NT is not authoritative.
and if you are going to post OT explain what you mean and why you think it is relevant, to your theory.

jews are going to be punished for not keeping the law.
gentiles are going to be punished for trying to control jews, blaming them for no reason, and hurting them for no reason.

now you fucks better listen to me, your whore church that is an enterprise of the emperors for global domination, has always blamed jews.
it is the modus operndi of the church, it started in the NT and has been used as a tactic for over 2000 years.
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Why would Jews want mass immigration? whats the goal?
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Israel can't even attract the affluent Jews of the world today, God wouldn't have that sort of reflectance if it was His program. Israel even signed on with UN 273 that indicated she would 'play fair'. What century is that supposed to start in? The "I don't have to do anything you say, but you have to do everything I say.' is outdated. It pays to be at the front of the one for changes that are positive. Being the last makes you a radical and a hardliner.
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that's, it ive had it with you.
you hear what you want to hear.
even though I proved the Judaism is not behind modern Israel you keep blubbering about this.
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that's, it ive had it with you.
you hear what you want to hear.
even though I proved the Judaism is not behind modern Israel you keep blubbering about this.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP 10

You have me convinced of that, who is the world going to believe more, me or you and forgive me if I missed it but the view oik Jews that are like minded to you don't seem to be making the news as much as the ones currently in control of Israel. Do you even know what they saw wrong with UN 181 other that it would have been more expensive to buy the land and it would have taken longer but the same thing would have been according to the map. Or is that issue, the original map submitted by the Rothschild bankers to Lord Balfor had no place set aside for non-Jews.
I'm pretty comfortable listening to this Jew cover that last century, none of it has to do with your take on the situation.



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