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Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

 
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For now.
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Perhaps you missed the part where I integrated the orbit for 1 million years and it's STILL hyperbolic.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Simple questions:

How much energy is needed to change hyperbolic to parabolic in this case (do we know the ISON mass to calculate this)?

Let's say in 1920s ISON traveled 4km/s so something as small as the Earth can change ISON direction 180degrees ( U-turn ) 113 AU from the Sun, do we know what is there.

Do we know all energies possible (not only gravity) during close miss ISON-Sun to be sure what will happen.

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OK, I see, I highlighted with blue color REAL data FROM JPL, just to make you easier to imagine what can happen to "small" rock in 100 years, so 1 million years perspective is unknown as much as what happened 100 years ago 100 AU from the Sun.

Be cool, use discernment, be Yourself.

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so are you asking if ison will ever decide to turn around and come back? I would say the answer is no. It is going to leave the solar system, that is determined to be the only thing it can do based on the speed and trajectory. As it moves out it will begin to lose momentum. When it loses enough momentum it can begin to be effected by bodies that exert enough force, but there are not a lot of bodies outside of our solar system for a long long while. And even if it does meet something out there, there is not much chance that it will be turned back towards us. it would get a brand new path leading it somewhere else. But astro's models would include other bodies too, so if he says it is not coming back, i am doubly certain of my response.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
the great comet of 1680, was 333 years ago.

the orbit of Ison and this comet are so similar, but they say it's broke into two.

2 comets, with a 333 year orbit. do the math.
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Neither one has a 333 year orbit. ISON is hyperbolic and C/1680 V1's orbit lasts about 10,000 years, not 333.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
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For now.
 Quoting: • 18770744


Perhaps you missed the part where I integrated the orbit for 1 million years and it's STILL hyperbolic.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Simple questions:

How much energy is needed to change hyperbolic to parabolic in this case (do we know the ISON mass to calculate this)?

Let's say in 1920s ISON traveled 4km/s so something as small as the Earth can change ISON direction 180degrees ( U-turn ) 113 AU from the Sun, do we know what is there.

Do we know all energies possible (not only gravity) during close miss ISON-Sun to be sure what will happen.

 Quoting: • 18770744
OK, I see, I highlighted with blue color REAL data FROM JPL, just to make you easier to imagine what can happen to "small" rock in 100 years, so 1 million years perspective is unknown as much as what happened 100 years ago 100 AU from the Sun.

Be cool, use discernment, be Yourself.

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So you're suggesting that it's going to free return around an impossibly large undiscovered planet at too close a distance to the sun ( [link to arxiv.org] ) and magically return to the sun on the same path every 333 years? No that is not how things work in real life.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

An analysis of comet ISON's orbit in comparison to historical comets.
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Nobody cares.
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11/17/2013 07:57 PM
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

An analysis of comet ISON's orbit in comparison to historical comets.
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Nobody cares.
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no he doesn't
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Why would it disintegrate this time as some suggest, if its made this trip every 333 years just curious?
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It doesn't make this trip every 333 years, as I reveal in the video. It's a hyperbolic comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


correct, it is a 313 year orbit

:killshot313:
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
So you're suggesting that (...)
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166.5 years from now (333 / 2)
ISON a.d.1846 171AU from the Sun, 3.2 km/s
Detectability 150 - 200 au (m_Mars),
Mars escape speed 5km/s
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You said earth, now you're saying Mars. While either one could perturb the comet, it would have to be deliberately placed at just the right spot to produce a return trajectory.
My claim is not "same comet every 333 years",
my claim is "impossible because never happen before" is not true.
 Quoting: dot

Now you're just trolling.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
density of this path is interesting

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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Seems well orchestrated to me - as every year we have some "confirmed" disaster about to happen that will end life as we know it, then on the day before this end of times, some genius pops us and calls us a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists. I have a theory - this is part of the distraction - part of the "overwhelm with information."
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WElcome to the
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Wonder how OP did calculate 333 year orbit

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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Another clue is that the more one comet big is, the more large orbit it got (..official Earth's science oO).

Now, how big is ISON ...'comet'?

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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Wonder how OP did calculate 333 year orbit

cruise
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Did you even watch the video?
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Wonder how OP did calculate 333 year orbit

cruise
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Did you even watch the video?
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Of course Ducky didn't - would destroy his agenda:

duckytruth

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Wonder how OP did calculate 333 year orbit

cruise
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Did you even watch the video?
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Math formula please here. Anything else is needed.

stan agree
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Wonder how OP did calculate 333 year orbit

cruise
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Did you even watch the video?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Of course Ducky didn't - would destroy his agenda:

duckytruth

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 Quoting: Hydra


now that is a brilliant duckie smilie.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Question Dr. Astro if you please.

Is what Thor is talking about in his latest thread correct?

An unprecedented event with 1000's of incoming comets?
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11/18/2013 12:26 PM
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Question Dr. Astro if you please.

Is what Thor is talking about in his latest thread correct?

An unprecedented event with 1000's of incoming comets?
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link pls?
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Question Dr. Astro if you please.

Is what Thor is talking about in his latest thread correct?

An unprecedented event with 1000's of incoming comets?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49830588


link pls?
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

that is the link.
No there is nothing in it to imply the claims are true. no thousand comets incoming. aside from the ones we always knew were coming.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
No, it's hyperbolic.
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For now.

coffee4
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Perhaps you missed the part where I integrated the orbit for 1 million years and it's STILL hyperbolic.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You can put this on the list not failed predictions.
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11/17/2013 01:53 PM

This prediction was named "trolling"
by Astro
performing 1 000 000 years calculations.

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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
No, it's hyperbolic.
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For now.

coffee4
 Quoting: • 18770744


Perhaps you missed the part where I integrated the orbit for 1 million years and it's STILL hyperbolic.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You can put this on the list not failed predictions.
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11/17/2013 01:53 PM

This prediction was named "trolling"
by Astro
performing 1 000 000 years calculations.

coffee4
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Hey troll:
[link to img6.imageshack.us]
Horizons will only go out a few hundred years, but it clearly shows that ISON's long term eccentricity is hyperbolic. It only drops below one for a brief while before it is ejected from the solar system. I used that drop to my advantage to get ISON to display in Celestia since Celestia only knows how to work with comets with an eccentricity less than 1; I used the osculating elements from this period so that it would display the comet. This is neither a surprise nor an "incorrect prediction."
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
nice, Thanks. hf

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