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Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

 
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How did you come to that conclusion?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Seems logical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4285842


Then show me the logic in it. Sungrazers are not automatic "hazards."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Automatically a hazard was not assumed...it was pretty clear..

"Depending on their timing and the earth's orbit," obviously a comet could be a potential threat.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6617901

Ok, but what does sungrazing have to do with it? How does that make it more of a threat? Your message was less than clear to me.
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?

An analysis of comet ISON's orbit in comparison to historical comets.
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Hey dude.

I am so tired.

I'm having a hard time
thinking or concentrating,
but I got a question for you.

DOES ISON HAVE A 10,000 year orbit?

I'll watch video tomorrow.
 Quoting: NewThor


No, it's hyperbolic.
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An analysis of comet ISON's orbit in comparison to historical comets.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Great work Dr. Astro! Much appreciated for the info. Its a shame the thread is full of people I'm not even sure took the time to watch it before posting such dumb shit. Its all laid out in the video people, just watch it before jumping to ridiculous conclusions you pulled from your ass. Follow the facts! Great job though Astro, really well put together my friend and taught me something about old comets I never knew! Cheers
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
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how do you know ison is a hyperbolic comet?
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Because I ran it through ORSA for over the next 10,000 years (in fact I ran it out to about a million years in one simulation; it reached a light year distance in that time) and its eccentricity remained over 1 during the next 10,000 years. In fact the average eccentricity for that period was 1.000002. JPL's Horizons concurs with my ORSA analysis but doesn't integrate the orbit over nearly as long a time period as I did.

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hyperbolic.


yes, yes indeed....
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hyperbolic does suggest collision at some point, correct ?

seriously
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hyperbolic does suggest collision at some point, correct ?

seriously
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No.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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hyperbolic does suggest collision at some point, correct ?

seriously
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No.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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ah, I see. Thank you.
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One and done folks, one and done.
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You may be a smart Dr,
You may be a right Dr,
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hyperbolic does suggest collision at some point, correct ?

seriously
 Quoting: rekameohsnad


No.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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So you say it will go on forever until it reaches the edge of......????then what??????
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Seriously though, great video Astro.

Did raise some questions.

Has there ever been a "great comet" that made an appearance twice?

You could probably guess it. Yes Hally's comet.

In fact Hally is the only "great comet" that has made an appearance twice. And Hally has dominated the list of great comet appearances in history. Here's a list from NASA/JPL-

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Interesting that before the telescope become common in the early 1600's, between the period of 87 BC and 1600, there were 34 great comets, 20 of those were appearances of Comet Hally.

Since 1600 there has been 27 great comets, only 2 of those were of Comet Hally.

So since 87 BC, of 61 known great comets, 22 of those were Hally, and 39 other great comets as yet unrelated.

I wonder if anybody has checked those other 39 great comets in history to make sure they were not related like the 22 Hally appearances? Probably, but wouldn't surprise me if no one had. (Hint, hint, Astro(

Curious that the only recurring great comet in history is Comet Hally.

Though the record indicates that we might be better at spotting great comets since the age of the telescope, some of these great comet appearances were brief, and alot of great comets have been lost to history.

Maybe there is another recurring great comet out there. Maybe. Maybe not. Probably...

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Seems logical?
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Then show me the logic in it. Sungrazers are not automatic "hazards."


Automatically a hazard was not assumed...it was pretty clear..

"Depending on their tim
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
the earth's orbit," obviously a comet could be a potential threat.

Ok, but what does sungrazing have to do with it? How does that make it more of a threat? Your
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6617901
was less than clear to me.


It potentially passes twice with a double chance of impact, that could make it more of a threa
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
non sungrazing comet.

..It could affect the sun.

But yeah maybe they are or aren't more threatening if they sling around the sun, what do I know..

The sun grazing comment was really about correlating the situation with Ison to one of potentially catastrophic proportions.

Obviously a comet could come take us out at anytime, so it's not all peaches and cream. That's all.. Doom on!
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Seems logical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4285842


Then show me the logic in it. Sungrazers are not automatic "hazards."


Automatically a hazard was not assumed...it was pretty clear..

"Depending on their tim
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
the earth's orbit," obviously a comet could be a potential threat.

Ok, but what does sungrazing have to do with it? How does that make it more of a threat? Your
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6617901
was less than clear to me.


It potentially passes twice with a double chance of impact, that could make it more of a threa
 Quoting: Dr. Astro
non sungrazing comet.

..It could affect the sun.

But yeah maybe they are or aren't more threatening if they sling around the sun, what do I know..

The sun grazing comment was really about correlating the situation with Ison to one of potentially catastrophic proportions.

Obviously a comet could come take us out at anytime, so it's not all peaches and cream. That's all.. Doom on!

..nice error post we had.. glichy glichy.. I've noticed that before with quoting you..
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
ok this is intresting!!

lets think about what we know about this comet....

it is not named after the people who 'found' it but rather the scope that viewed it- is this due to it haveing been witnesed and named many times through the years?
ISON has no name, but the scope that viewed it is called ISON.
strange no?

Hyperbolic means it has an orbit eccentric level 1, and its end orbit is UNKNOWN (it is said it MAY return, not it will NOT)

ISON's origin is not know, but it might be from the ort cloud

this means ISON may not have visited this solar system before, but no records indicate either it has or it has not
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Depending on their timing and the Earth's orbit, Any comet that comes into our solar sytem(from wherever) and is a "star grazer" slinging around our sun, is a potential hazard.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4234695


How did you come to that conclusion?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Seems logical?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4285842


Then show me the logic in it. Sungrazers are not automatic "hazards."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Even NASA doesn't profess to be as all-knowing as you.

Or do you believe this orbital path is locked?

Don't bother with your psuedo-intelligencia answer.
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we'll know in 333 years from now.
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Thanks, Dr. Astro, for a good video explanation of the various comets. There is so much fanciful speculation going on that's it's always a pleasure to watch empirical evidence presented. And, I like your voice as well.

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Is it better to have one of them 'Hyper-Ball-Lick' comets or a 'Pair-A-Ball-Licks' or 'A-Lip-Tick' one?
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
the reason NASA claim to not know is due to it being Hyperbolic.

the same can be applyed to Astros video
however astro claims to know what nobody knows

he compares a comet with a hyperbolic (eccentric orbit) to previous comets orbits, and claims it CANT be related, due to the orbit being to erratic and slightly out of sync, so unrelatable
LOL

sorry astro
im all for your science
but lets have some science ay
its all in the wording

you claim to caculate a predicted orbit model with a method which by definition means un-certain
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
Why would it disintegrate this time as some suggest, if its made this trip every 333 years just curious?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45198861


It doesn't make this trip every 333 years, as I reveal in the video. It's a hyperbolic comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


correct, it is a 313 year orbit

:killshot313:
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the question that should be asked but noone seems to ask is just like the story of 9/11 building 7 is the giveaway for the biggest hoax on Earth is why did Nasa stop making public things about comet Ison passing Mars.
That is the dead giveaway that something big is amiss with Ison and no doubt they still monitoring this rock second after second but do not publish their findins.
Very very fishy and yet all seem to accept that it is normal behaviour for a once-in-a-civillization comet passing that Nasa shuts observations down due to government shutdown.
They had interest in comet Haley I tell you, this Nasa and comet Ison stink into heaven.
Maybe this whole government shutdown was created for Nasa to give them a reason to not waken up the sheople of something incoming?
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Re: Does comet ISON have a 333 year orbit?
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how do you know ison is a hyperbolic comet?
 Quoting: Shadow Beam


Because I ran it through ORSA for over the next 10,000 years (in fact I ran it out to about a million years in one simulation; it reached a light year distance in that time) and its eccentricity remained over 1 during the next 10,000 years.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Another interesting question raised.

The simulation of ISON was ran out about a million years, reaching a light year distance in that time. And indications that if you ran the simulation further, the distance would be even further out.

Considering that the closest star to Earth is a little over 4 light years away, and there are 8 stars within 10 light years, if ISON were interstellar, it would only make sense that it came from one of our closest neighbors.

I wonder if anyone has checked whether ISON is coming from the direction of one of our nearest stellar neighbors, or some particular point of interest?

Interstellar material is real and exists here on Earth. In the study of meteorites, there has been examples of heavy elements in certain meteorites, that do not and could not originate in our solar system. These meteorites are believed to be of interstellar origin, found right here on terra firma.

Totally believe in that whole panspermia theory of Wickramasinghe and Hoyle, of interstellar comets distributing life creating elements throughout the universe.

From Astro's own figures, ISON might not just be a good show from our region of space, but may be seeding interstellar elements into our solar system, until all civilization is destroyed!
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Why would it disintegrate this time as some suggest, if its made this trip every 333 years just curious?
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It doesn't make this trip every 333 years, as I reveal in the video. It's a hyperbolic comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Could an object have more than one orbit?
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umm.. I don't get it, you create a thread asking if there's a 333 year correlation & a video which may or may not support your question,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40874299


Actually the video definitively rules it out.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The person who created the youtube video with the very kind and gentle countenance, stated 3 times in the video between 1:10 and 1:45 that ISON and the Comet of 1680 are "probably not related" and "may not be related".
 Quoting: hatch battener 50098992

The video, which is MINE, definitively rules out the 333 year orbit. I SPECIFICALLY SAID it is a hyperbolic comet, it does not have a 333 year orbit. The comet of 1680 is probably completely unrelated, but related does not mean "the same comet."
Yet you come on GLP and claim that "there is no way in hell they are related"
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Quoting what I actually said.
there is no way in hell for ISON to be on a 333 year orbit, or "comet Negra" to be related to it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

"Comet Negra" is not the comet 1680, it's the name GLP'ers use to refer to the comet of 1347.
Thread: Year 1347 (Comet Negra) Black Death - 2013 (Comet ISON) - 666 Years Later,
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



So, they could totally be related as part of some cycle but you don't think it's likely the same comet, all though it's possible?
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the reason NASA claim to not know is due to it being Hyperbolic.

the same can be applyed to Astros video
however astro claims to know what nobody knows

he compares a comet with a hyperbolic (eccentric orbit) to previous comets orbits, and claims it CANT be related, due to the orbit being to erratic and slightly out of sync, so unrelatable
 Quoting: Shadow Beam

No, you clearly didn't understand my video. The comets of 1347 and 1014 can't be ISON or related to ISON because their orbits are completely different from ISON's. Sungrazer comet families have related orbits, but those orbits resemble each other because they are related.
you claim to caculate a predicted orbit model with a method which by definition means un-certain
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Word salad. Hyperbolic does not mean we can't analyze it or compare it to other comets.
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Actually the video definitively rules it out.
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The person who created the youtube video with the very kind and gentle countenance, stated 3 times in the video between 1:10 and 1:45 that ISON and the Comet of 1680 are "probably not related" and "may not be related".
 Quoting: hatch battener 50098992

The video, which is MINE, definitively rules out the 333 year orbit. I SPECIFICALLY SAID it is a hyperbolic comet, it does not have a 333 year orbit. The comet of 1680 is probably completely unrelated, but related does not mean "the same comet."
Yet you come on GLP and claim that "there is no way in hell they are related"
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Quoting what I actually said.
there is no way in hell for ISON to be on a 333 year orbit, or "comet Negra" to be related to it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

"Comet Negra" is not the comet 1680, it's the name GLP'ers use to refer to the comet of 1347.
Thread: Year 1347 (Comet Negra) Black Death - 2013 (Comet ISON) - 666 Years Later,
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



So, they could totally be related as part of some cycle but you don't think it's likely the same comet, all though it's possible?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1930805


No, it cannot be the same comet, period. And no, they're not related, period.
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Why would it disintegrate this time as some suggest, if its made this trip every 333 years just curious?
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It doesn't make this trip every 333 years, as I reveal in the video. It's a hyperbolic comet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Could an object have more than one orbit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49192504


An object's orbit can be defined with different epochs, but an object cannot have two simultaneous orbits with respect to a parent body that are both correct.
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